S02.E17: Betrayal

[Bort]

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The surgeons work together to save the life of the Raptor's old mentor, Abe, who is their only inside source to Quovadis. Unfortunately, when Nic and Conrad take on a patient needing the hospital's only viable ECMO machine, they must decide between saving the life of Abe or saving the life of their younger, more stable patient. Meanwhile, Marshall puts himself in serious danger to help take down Gordon Page once and for all.

Airdate: Monday, March 18, 2019

[Xantar]

I busted out laughing when Gordon’s car exploded. It was so over the top. But it couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy. 

[milner]

I was actually quite tense through this episode.  So glad Conrad’s father didn’t get killed off. The actress that played the girlfriend looked so much like Nic (to my eye) I thought she could play her younger sister.  Lol.  I really wanted to see the quo  backs guy to go to jail totally humiliated not die. Dam

Oops quo VADIS. sorry

[Xantar]

18 minutes ago, milner said:

I was actually quite tense through this episode.  So glad Conrad’s father didn’t get killed off. The actress that played the girlfriend looked so much like Nic (to my eye) I thought she could play her younger sister.

Oh good it wasn’t just me! Every time I saw her I thought, “Why is Nic wearing glasses?”

[preeya]

Once again the BUMBLING FBI cannot apprehend a perp. They are listening in but can't protect the undercover whistleblower. 

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ON EVERY SHOW??

[yourdreamer]

The actress who played female engineering student has Emily’s lips and chin! I am glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed how similar they look. 

It sucks to be a bad guy on this show - you will get killed. I was sad QuoVadis guy isn’t around for a trial, but he would have been like Lane and gotten out on bail. But now heart valve kid’s momma doesn’t have lifetime medical coverage. 

[Driad]

What did SEVER mean to these characters?

The college students with mono did not look nearly sick enough at the beginning.  I could barely stand up when I was diagnosed.

[KittenPokerCheater]

1 hour ago, milner said:

I was actually quite tense through this episode.  So glad Conrad’s father didn’t get killed off.

Me too!  I mean...me four!

I was surprised how relived I was.

The bad guys die on this show, rather spectacularly.  I kind of wish the world was more like the show in that respect.

[jewel21]

Am I the only one wondering where Julian is?

And I also want to know what "sever" means.

[Jlina]

Epic!  The reason I watch the show!  Bell's face was very nuanced when he chose the kid for the machine. Hmmmm.....

Wow!  Marshall lived and was a good guy.  Just all sorts of feels in this episode. 

I also wondered what the life lesson imparted by a patient was going to be for Nic by her mini me. 

I adore Conrad, but I always like him in The Good Wife too.  YES!  They all got a win!

[Madding crowd]

As the mother of a college student it bothered me that Evan’s friend didn’t bother to let his parents know their son was dying. I know the nurse eventually said we have to ask the parents but the friend should have called them first.

Not sure I buy Conrad’s dad wanting to involve himself to this extent in bringing down Gordon Page but it was fun to see. Curious about Julian’s whereabouts.

[alexvillage]

9 hours ago, preeya said:

Once again the BUMBLING FBI cannot apprehend a perp. They are listening in but can't protect the undercover whistleblower. 

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ON EVERY SHOW??

I haven't watched the episode yet so maybe the situation is way too obvious for the fail but the real FBI has a very bad report card when it comes to solving whatever they are investigating and getting the perps, which a very high rate of failure. 

[cathmed]

Well, glad I was wrong about Marshall based on that last episode (I was really hoping I was!).  Great episode but agree with another poster in that Gordon should have been sent to prison.  At least that way, he could have planned revenge and/or an escape but, yeah, he's toast!  

Agree, Sydney could pass for Nic's sister!

Will there be any repercussions for Bell with the demise of Gordon and/or Quo Vadis?   I thought his facial expressions throughout the "crisis" were a bit telling--maybe something more will be discovered?   I mean, he shouldn't get off scott free either.

Look like Julian's back for next week's episode (not a fan of her storyline).   Was Marshall hiding her/saved her from the lake "plunge"?  How else would he have known about China, warehouse?   Guess I'll have to wait to see how it all this drama unfolds next week, lol!

[cathmed]

9 hours ago, Jlina said:

I also wondered what the life lesson imparted by a patient was going to be for Nic by her mini me. 

Yeah, I think she was thinking about Conrad and her relationship, i.e., how she's been holding back, not completely honest with him, etc.   We'll see if the writers explore that (show and not just tell--or not) or if they just drop it (looks like Alex's back next week, too)

[Mellowyellow]

Well that was dramatic!

YAY to Marshall being alive and going under cover! I much rather the Adventures of Conrad and Pops than "my daddy is evil" angst! I am so relieved the show played it this way! 

Bahahaha to the way Gordon went out! Snivelling little turd! He thought he was above/better than everyone, the exception to the rule so to speak and it showed during his escape at the end when he was being ridiculous and dodging all the cars. Fitting that he went out in flames. I liked this ending because he was very arrogant and I think he could not fathom failing/getting caught.

I always enjoy it when they show Bell running the hospital competently and without any shady agendas. It adds to his greyness.

[llewis823]

1 hour ago, cathmed said:

Great episode but agree with another poster in that Gordon should have been sent to prison.  

As many times as that car rolled, he could have been thrown clear???? It's been known to happen on tv shows...just sayin'

[preeya]

22 minutes ago, llewis823 said:

As many times as that car rolled, he could have been thrown clear???? It's been known to happen on tv shows...just sayin'

I had that same thought. The case is too easily solved if he's dead, and what about that girl (the QV rep) that is still missing?

[preeya]

29 minutes ago, preeya said:

I had that same thought. The case is too easily solved if he's dead, and what about that girl (the QV rep) who is still missing?

[hula-la]

1 hour ago, llewis823 said:

As many times as that car rolled, he could have been thrown clear???? It's been known to happen on tv shows...just sayin'

I bet bad guys don't wear seat belts, so the same though occurred to me. 

[llewis823]

33 minutes ago, hula-la said:

I bet bad guys don't wear seat belts, so the same though occurred to me. 

I was even going to add that at the end saying the way he was leaning forward so intensely, I bet he wasn't wearing a seat belt either. LOL Great minds...

[Driad]

Re mono students: What about HIPAA? Can they really discuss a patient's condition with his friend? Also I agree, someone should have contacted his parents earlier.

[Squeaky Mouse]

1 hour ago, Driad said:

Re mono students: What about HIPAA? Can they really discuss a patient's condition with his friend? 

They can, if the friend has given permission. Often on admission to a hospital, there is a form you fill out that says who can and cannot be in on a discussion. When I had emergency surgery a couple of years back, I was able to put on the form that my husband, and ONLY my husband, could be in on the discussion. If anyone else were in the room, the doctors and nurses couldn’t say anything until they left (unless I gave a verbal “this person is ok.”)

[Ohwell]

16 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

As the mother of a college student it bothered me that Evan’s friend didn’t bother to let his parents know their son was dying. I know the nurse eventually said we have to ask the parents but the friend should have called them first.

That bothered me too.  I know she was really concerned about him, but I couldn't believe she wouldn't have immediately thought to call his parents.

Forgot to ask, did the student die?  I left the room for a few  minutes. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Ohwell

[Court]

On 3/18/2019 at 10:10 PM, preeya said:

Once again the BUMBLING FBI cannot apprehend a perp. They are listening in but can't protect the undercover whistleblower. 

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN ON EVERY SHOW??

All I could think was wow the FBI is shockingly incompetent. 

[alexvillage]

This show...

The FBI had Marshall wired, Gorgon discover the wire, the FBI takes forever to get there and then the first observation from one of the agents is: "he has a hostage"! Seriously, I had to laugh. Such a pointless line that the writers decided it was vital for the audience to understand.

And how bad are they at shooting? How unprepared for the take down? When it is about a drug bust on a house with children, in the middle of the night, they send a battalion - if the family is black or brown, they send two battalions. Sure they often get the wrong house and terrorize innocent people too...

Speaking of it, AJ entering the mansion of a white man and no neighbor called the police to arrest the "big black man" that they thought had a gun? Right...

Yeah, I am all snark today.

[cathmed]

23 hours ago, llewis823 said:

As many times as that car rolled, he could have been thrown clear???? It's been known to happen on tv shows...just sayin'

Yeah, let's hope they don't go down that completely absurd road!   I rewatched that scene a couple of times and because they took such liberty to show (and make a point of) the car rolling multiple times then exploding, I think he's gone--unlike when we saw Julian's car heading for the water but not really sinking with her in it.   Sadly, she's back in the next episode.

[vibeology]

4 hours ago, alexvillage said:

Speaking of it, AJ entering the mansion of a white man and no neighbor called the police to arrest the "big black man" that they thought had a gun? Right...

I was actually fine with that. Those big houses are separated enough that you can't really see what's happening next door.

What lost me was the FBI comes into Quo Vadis and the henchman starts shooting rather than put his gun down and turn on Gordon. How loyal must that guy be? (And I'm sure he's the one who shot the doctor and chased down Julian but Gordon has committed a conspiracy and widespread fraud. He could have easily made a deal.)

[alexvillage]

53 minutes ago, vibeology said:

I was actually fine with that. Those big houses are separated enough that you can't really see what's happening next door.

That's fair although white people seem to always find a way to report back men, or a black child. 

[tinderbox]

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode.  So glad Julian is back next week. I enjoyed her storyline.

Edited March 20, 2019 by tinderbox

[Risky Librarian]

Oh man, I am going to be laughing at Gordon's car flipping over 172 times and catching fire forEVER. Holy cow that was hilarious. Like how many explosives were in that dude's car? It would have made more sense if he'd been thrown clear, as was mentioned upthread, but as fast as he was going, he probably wouldn't have survived that either. Then again, if he HAD been thrown clear, there would have been a good chance that the car would have then rolled over him, which also would have managed to be hilarious somehow. Were there no stop sticks anywhere in the Atlanta PD? 

I really wanted to thump Devon a couple of times during the episode. Cripes, boy, you only kissed her once, and I get that you're worried about her, but let's not keep pushing for risky procedures just so you can maybe get your answers. Calm yourself. I'm actually glad that she's turning up next week so he can finally exhale. 

On 3/18/2019 at 9:14 PM, milner said:

I was actually quite tense through this episode.  So glad Conrad’s father didn’t get killed off.

I was glad of that too. The trope in which two long-estranged individuals start to make peace and work things out only to have one of them bumped off is played out and I'm glad they've managed to avert it thus far (though they have flirted with it twice, to decent effect - but don't push it, show; I'm watching you.) I was also happy to discover that he wasn't working against Conrad.

23 hours ago, alexvillage said:

That's fair although white people seem to always find a way to report back men, or a black child. 

Does not actually happen nearly as much as the internet would have you believe. Millions of interactions happen every single day and no one notices at all!

[cameron]

On 3/21/2019 at 12:14 PM, Risky Librarian said:

Oh man, I am going to be laughing at Gordon's car flipping over 172 times and catching fire forEVER. Holy cow that was hilarious. Like how many explosives were in that dude's car? It would have made more sense if he'd been thrown clear, as was mentioned upthread, but as fast as he was going, he probably wouldn't have survived that either. Then again, if he HAD been thrown clear, there would have been a good chance that the car would have then rolled over him, which also would have managed to be hilarious somehow. Were there no stop sticks anywhere in the Atlanta PD? 

I really wanted to thump Devon a couple of times during the episode. Cripes, boy, you only kissed her once, and I get that you're worried about her, but let's not keep pushing for risky procedures just so you can maybe get your answers. Calm yourself. I'm actually glad that she's turning up next week so he can finally exhale. 

I was glad of that too. The trope in which two long-estranged individuals start to make peace and work things out only to have one of them bumped off is played out and I'm glad they've managed to avert it thus far (though they have flirted with it twice, to decent effect - but don't push it, show; I'm watching you.) I was also happy to discover that he wasn't working against Conrad.

Does not actually happen nearly as much as the internet would have you believe. Millions of interactions happen every single day and no one notices at all!

Agree about Devon.  Much too involved in decision making options.

[SnarkySheep]

Agreed, the car scene was a bit of an overkill.

Sadly, my doctor died two years ago in a similar fashion (not being chased by the FBI, of course, but speeding excessively). His car flipped only once, but it was enough for it to burst into flame and have him killed instantly.

As for all the people suggesting Abe had tried to commit suicide, why didn't AJ tell them he had found the front door open?? Surely the doctor wouldn't have done that...

[Efzee]

Devon is really getting on my nerves with his Julian(ne?) obsession and putting her possible fate over the welfare of actual patients. All I could think during his scenes in his episodes that if only he hadn't been such a dick to his ex-fiancée, then she could have investigated his friend/coworkers disappearance and all the shady QV stuff as the competent journalist she was.

(also, why was he even present during the discussion about the two patients? Isn't he still an intern?)

[dini]

Just catching up with the last few episodes before S3 starts.

The storyline made me twitchy.

As others have said, where were mono guy's family. 

But the ECMO storyline!!!!

Why were the surgeons and an advanced nurse practitioner  making the decisions. Where were the intensive care team? Why were they treating patients with  the monitor readings? Someone who was that sick wouldnt have enough perfusion to generate Oxygen saturations. How about using arterial blood gas readings?

Why didn't they put out a call to ELSO? Patient was too unwell to transfer, but they could have brought ECMO to him.

And when they proned Poor Abe,  well the evidence says it can improve things in the short term but doesn't change the outcome. But they WOKE HIM UP. I'm sorry but 2 minutes of slightly better oxygen saturations would not have allowed him to become compos enough to communicate, never mind write. And the poor man would not have tolerated the ventilator while awake if he was that sick.

(What is Nic's specialty anyway? She works in every single department, which is fine if she has a specialism that travels, like nephrology, or respiratory, or cardiac. Initially I thought she was an emergency nurse practitioner. But she is on paeds, emergency room, surgery.... with no recurring theme, except her lipstick.

Between her and Conrad, and the rest, its a bit like House all over again. Except with nurses!

Aahhhhh. Never mind.   I still enjoy the shenanigans. Mostly. There is lots of behavior that is true to life.  And I have met surgeons very like the Attendings on here. 

I'm an ICU nurse by the way. (The transplant storyline also irritated me. Retrieval team and transplant team folks. Not the cardiothoracic attending and the Ortho resident.)

[bros402]

12 hours ago, dini said:

(What is Nic's specialty anyway? She works in every single department, which is fine if she has a specialism that travels, like nephrology, or respiratory, or cardiac. Initially I thought she was an emergency nurse practitioner. But she is on paeds, emergency room, surgery.... with no recurring theme, except her lipstick.

My best guess is Internal Medicine

[Paloma]

On 3/20/2019 at 7:07 AM, alexvillage said:

Speaking of it, AJ entering the mansion of a white man and no neighbor called the police to arrest the "big black man" that they thought had a gun? Right...

I said that to my husband as soon as AJ opened the door. And we both were expecting that if the police came to the house they would shoot him, assuming he was at best breaking in and at worst the person who shot Abe (once they found Abe).