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S09.E05: The Proof Hurts


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6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I think Kyle showing up in pink wasn't a checkmate.  It's about LVP's continued self perceived ownership of something and if you have anything or wear anything she thinks you own, you're copying 'her'.  Just like the Porsche comment LVP made at VPD.  I really think it's a banter that LVP and Kyle do.

The timing is interesting...for 9 seasons Kyle has respected Lisa's pink obsession. So why is she so empowered to wear pink now, and on that particular day? It's a not-so subtle message to Lisa, "I win. You have no power".

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The alleged set up was having the Dorit dog dumping story told on tv? Lisa wanted the story out there and didn't want to dirty her hands, so she wangled it so John would tell John who would tell Teddi and then Teddi (the setup-ee) would expose Dorit for abandoning her dog. Is that the gist of it?

So, how do we reconcile this with the fact that Lisa and Ken discussed the dog situation with Dorit and PK with cameras rolling if LIsa didn't want the story known or if Lisa didn't want to be seen talking about Dorit giving the dog away? Lisa did talk about it. She did mention it. Lisa exposed it. Once it's been discussed on tv, it's officially no longer a secret, so there's genuinely no need for any backroom shenanigans designed to have it exposed.

At the dinner with PK and Dorit (yes, I went to the tapes!), Lisa introduces the subject by saying:

"Hey listen, I just want to clear this dog thing and then I want it to go away."

The HWs conspiracy theory makes no sense because if your goal is to get a secret out because you don't want to be seen as the person who tells it (aka "doing the dirty work", and your methods are to manipulate someone else to expose it, you can't expose the secret yourself. That's got to be shenanigans rule number one.

I do think there's a conspiracy here, but it's one that's come from a different source than Lisa. I sensed some bad acting as Kyle and Teddi were acting "surprised". 

At another time I noticed Rinna was imitating Lisa (voice and gestures) and somehow doing and saying exactly what Lisa did and said, even though Rinna wasn't there to see it.

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On 3/13/2019 at 12:41 AM, Door County Cherry said:

I'm trying to follow this all.  And I kind of hate that I am.  But he admitted he invoked Lisa's name in his conversation with Teddi and he admitted he was wrong to do so.  So Teddi isn't crazy to think Lisa is behind this all.  They're telling two different stories and yet there's some overlap in that their different stories can be explained by a third party. 

And Kyle did some interesting sleuthing about Lisa warning Dorit. 

I get a weird feeling from Aaron.  He's basically some "energy" guy who moved from one actress to another.  I also think it's strange that he never thought he'd get married again and yet he basically gets married as soon as his divorce is finalized. He just reads as a star fucker to me even if the stars are B or C list. 

I so agree ! Came to this board specifically to read/post about that Aaron.  We got to hear him talk finally on this episode. I don't have a problem so much with his new age ideas (choosing Sept 8th as their wedding date because of the power of the number 8). But there was something creepy and non-charming about him.  Sure it could just be its his first time on reality show TV and being uncomfortable on camera. But .....

Denise said to him, that before she met him she was a vegetarian and didn't drink (much). Now she does both.  Plus it seemed like he kept saying the "eff" word alot (they had to keep bleeping it). The vulgarity was too much, too casual for the out to dinner scenario, and disrespectful to Denise. 

I also didn't like his bulk. The pumped up body - steroids ? 

Does this guy earn a decent living doing new age stuff ? Is he living off of Denise?

I hope Denise hasn't made a mistake. She has three little girls, whom she just adores, to protect. 

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9 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I think Kyle showing up in pink wasn't a checkmate.  It's about LVP's continued self perceived ownership of something and if you have anything or wear anything she thinks you own, you're copying 'her'.  Just like the Porsche comment LVP made at VPD.  I really think it's a banter that LVP and Kyle do.

Just to push Lisa's buttons I'd like all the ladies one at a time to show up in pink and bring a friggin accessory dog even if they have to borrow one. Just to mock her.

While I like seeing the level of luxury she brings I can't stand her pretention. I find her repetitive and tedious. I can do with out all the animals, I've seen that scene a thousands times and it's old.

Not interested at all in her supposed spinoff show.

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So, how do we reconcile this with the fact that Lisa and Ken discussed the dog situation with Dorit and PK with cameras rolling if LIsa didn't want the story known

It had nothing to do with having the story "known" on TV it had to do with EXPRESSING righteous anger at Dorit/PK which she never ever did on camera, even when Dorit asked her point blank in the Bahamas. There is no universe in which Lisa was pissed off at Dorit and even Dorit said at that lunch that Lisa betrayed her REAL feelings albeit passive aggressively. Fuck passive aggressive people. Just be aggressive and get it all out there.

What we got on screen was Lisa floating above the fray at Vanderpump Dogs and at lunch saying OH NO DORIT I KNOW YOU"D NEVER intentionally fuck one of my precious dog babys over even though you already returned one I adopted out to you. You and PK are ABOVE reproach but then again I wish you hadn't done what you did because it was bad and wrong. But I love  you both kiss kiss. By the way did  you know TEDDI KNOWS?!!! And talks about it with John Blizzard? Did you KNOW?

Come the entire fuck on Lisa. 



 

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15 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I think that Kyle is taking LVP's obsession and ownership of the color pink way too seriously!  For fuck's sake, let her have pink and you pick another shade from the color wheel!  

I hope she put some clothes on!  She's in for some serious ass burn if she hits the pavement dressed like that!  

But it's not just that. Do we not remember LVP walking into Vanderpump Dogs asking who copied her for buying a Porsche? The woman is insufferable in her need to be passive aggressive with every. single. thing. 

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Dorit tells PeeKay she is exhausted from “working all day”..... What is it she does again? ( besides film RHOBH)

PeeKay claims to be doing some work ( on his iPhone)~ wanna bet he is playing solitaire?! 

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15 hours ago, link417 said:

I was looking for someone to point out Doridtho’s atrocious pronunciation of burrito as “burridtho,” so shout-out to [I didn’t think to quote them so now I don’t remember who it was] from Page 2! 

Maybe she was thinking of aburrido, as in, “boring”? 🧐

I would like to give another shout-out to Erika’s “There’s Something About Mary” bangs in the preview for the next episode.

I liked the photo shoot with Rinna in her garden, and I liked that all of Kyle’s older girls said “please” when they gave their orders at the restaurant. (Kyle did not.)

Since it looks like “the thing” will drag on and on this season instead of being wrapped up in a couple episodes as I believe it should be, I’m not going to mention it as a form of silent (read: pointless) protest. 😤

Maybe she was just adding a lisp to her waxing and waning accent. 

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2 hours ago, Giselle said:

Just to push Lisa's buttons I'd like all the ladies one at a time to show up in pink and bring a friggin accessory dog even if they have to borrow one. Just to mock her.

While I like seeing the level of luxury she brings I can't stand her pretention. I find her repetitive and tedious. I can do with out all the animals, I've seen that scene a thousands times and it's old.

Not interested at all in her supposed spinoff show.

I’m not interested in that spinoff either. People think Lisa loves animals, but she mostly loves animals as accessories - which is not kind to them at all.

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1 hour ago, blixie said:

It had nothing to do with having the story "known" on TV it had to do with EXPRESSING righteous anger at Dorit/PK which she never ever did on camera, even when Dorit asked her point blank in the Bahamas. There is no universe in which Lisa was pissed off at Dorit and even Dorit said at that lunch that Lisa betrayed her REAL feelings albeit passive aggressively. Fuck passive aggressive people. Just be aggressive and get it all out there.

What we got on screen was Lisa floating above the fray at Vanderpump Dogs and at lunch saying OH NO DORIT I KNOW YOU"D NEVER intentionally fuck one of my precious dog babys over even though you already returned one I adopted out to you. You and PK are ABOVE reproach but then again I wish you hadn't done what you did because it was bad and wrong. But I love  you both kiss kiss. By the way did  you know TEDDI KNOWS?!!! And talks about it with John Blizzard? Did you KNOW?

Come the entire fuck on Lisa. 



 

Hmm,  IIRC Kyle's main concern about doggiegate was that the people in Beverly Hills are animal supporters and if they found out that Dorit abandoned a dog, her reputation would suffer. So, Kyle didn't want any of Lisa's backroom double dealing to cause the story to get outed because that would hurt Dorit. Meanwhile, Teddi agreed to out Dorit (which she claimed Lisa wanted her to do), then said she couldn't go through with it in the end, even though we saw her actually go through with it. But somehow Teddi is Lisa's victim.  Rocket scientists these ladies are not.

I'm now wondering if perhaps the Kyle and co did not expect Lisa to talk about doggiegate on camera. I mean they'd have a much stronger case for the conspiracy (to have someone else do the outing) had Lisa herself not brought it up.  

Drats, foiled again.

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26 minutes ago, nexxie said:

I’m not interested in that spinoff either. People think Lisa loves animals, but she mostly loves animals as accessories - which is not kind to them at all.

If I want dogs and animals I watch animal planet

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Rinna's life is so full, yet she can't keep LVP's name off her warped lips. Like, ever. Has HarryHamlin even been around this season? He's probably sick of her clown ass, too.

On 3/12/2019 at 10:10 PM, Straycat80 said:

I’m on Kyle’s side: ‘let’s move forward from this’. 

Kyle says that now, but she'll be the first one to bring it back up if she feels the need. See: S1's "New York".

Was it Sophia that had a meltdown when she got her ears pierced? I give her less than a year before she transfers to a school closer to home.

22 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I'm not sure I agree with Teddi's definition of true facts.

But, she never lies. She even said so while in the sacredness of the Chapel of Chintzy.

I agree with others about Evan being slippery. Hopefully, he's not taking Denise for a ride (other than on his BFC).

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2 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

Dorit tells PeeKay she is exhausted from “working all day”..... What is it she does again? ( besides film RHOBH)

PeeKay claims to be doing some work ( on his iPhone)~ wanna bet he is playing solitaire?! 

Hmm, let’s try out some titles for his business card...

Chief Candy Crusher

CTO (Chief Tetris Operator) 

Controller, Fishdom

Pokemon GO Community Lead

Head Maurader, Clash of Clans

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45 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Hmm, let’s try out some titles for his business card...

Chief Candy Crusher

CTO (Chief Tetris Operator) 

Controller, Fishdom

Pokemon GO Community Lead

Head Maurader, Clash of Clans

I don’t even know this game, but I vote for “Head Maurader, Clash of Clans.” P.K. has been maurading all over the place- from the Bellagio to Beverly Hills- plus it just sounds like a very impressive title.

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No, LVP very clearly said that John Sessa did not know Blizzard was talking to Teddi. Which makes Kyle's point very valid: if John Sessa didn't know Blizzard was talking to Teddi, and if LVP never spoke to Blizzard, how exactly did LVP know to warn Dorit that Teddi knew? It doesn't add up, and LVP was caught in a lie.

When did LVP tell Dorit that Teddi knew? It was before the whole "Do you recognize this dog?" thing? I'm lost about who knows what and when. I think Teddi's full of crap though. 

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They're ALL guilty!

Dorit and Puke-K took in a puppy from LVP's rescue, signed a contract without reading or paying it any regard and took the puppy to a shelter, because who knew puppies nipped? Then lied to LVP about, more or less, everything Lucy related.

The Johns manipulated Teddi, because they knew she'd be upset and willing to go after Dorit

Teddi, willingly, volunteered to "recognize" Lucy and get the Puppygate story out

LVP didn't stop it; so she gets, at the very least, aiding and abetting

Kyle manipulated Rinna by teasing her with an inside joke that involves LVP and someone she may or may not be mad at, knowing that Rinna would kill to know a secret involving LVP.

Rinna manipulated Kyle and Teddi into telling her the story of Puppygate then manipulates Teddi into thinking she was used (even though she was in on it, and it may even have been partly her idea)

Erika manipulated Teddi by telling her to get her (aka Rinna's) side of the story out; That she was used by LVP to publicly shame Dorit

The only innocents in this are Denise and Camille, who are are understandably confused, and Lucy.

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39 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Just to push Kyle’s buttons I hope Lisa helps one of her sisters steal her house.

She might have to steal it from the court since Mauricio is being sued for over $90 million. He makes Erica’a Daddy Warbucks and Piggy Pk look like pikers.

It is illustrative of the bullshit level of reality shown in this show when three of the husbands are being sued for millions and we don’t hear a peep about it. If I were Lisa I would bring that up at the reunion. Since Lisa’s business practices at her pet shop are constantly being examined and debated let’s put  everyone else’s dirty laundry on the table.

I agree but the backlash if Lisa did that would be even worse. The people that already dislike her would be like SEE she is evil, maybe she can just hint at it lol

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37 minutes ago, Jel said:

This is such an excellent point, Langford Peel. If Lisa really is such a sneaky exposer of dirty laundry, why hasn't she brought (arranged to have brought up!) any of these stories.  But not a single "Such an unfortunate thing about Mauricio being sued" or "Oh dear, well I know Erika and Tom will be alright in spite of this lawsuit" Or even. "Ken, can we lend our beloved PK and Dorit some money to help pay off their creditors? Such an unfortunate situation it is for the poor dears"

But nothing. No wonder she's so choked about the whole thing, given what she actually knows and could be talking about.

I love this, or maybe she just does a talking head and say Oh you better believe I'm going to talk about it. 

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3 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Hmm, let’s try out some titles for his business card...

Chief Candy Crusher

CTO (Chief Tetris Operator) 

Controller, Fishdom

Pokemon GO Community Lead

Head Maurader, Clash of Clans

PornHub Quality Control Specialist.

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15 hours ago, Brooke0707 said:

I don't think she meant she never spoke to him.  Two seconds later she also said she never spoke to Teddi, which is obviously not true.  Teddi and Lisa have spoken to one another before.  I think when she was saying those things she meant she has never spoken to so and so...about the dog.

LVP has definitely made it sound like she has had limited contact with Blizzard, and that their contact is mainly to do with VPD events. Maybe this is true, but if it is true, it's weird - because if you walk into VPD, John Blizzard is right there front and center. It's hard to believe that LVP has as little contact with him as she makes it sound on the show - especially given what we see of her tendency to be very involved in her employees' goings-on.

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  15 HOURS AGO, BROOKE0707 SAID:

I don't think she meant she never spoke to him.  Two seconds later she also said she never spoke to Teddi, which is obviously not true.  Teddi and Lisa have spoken to one another before.  I think when she was saying those things she meant she has never spoken to so and so...about the dog.

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LVP has definitely made it sound like she has had limited contact with Blizzard, and that their contact is mainly to do with VPD events. Maybe this is true, but if it is true, it's weird - because if you walk into VPD, John Blizzard is right there front and center. It's hard to believe that LVP has as little contact with him as she makes it sound on the show - especially given what we see of her tendency to be very involved in her employees' goings-on

I think they all fail to communicate properly and I don't understand why.  Even though I think they act like idiots at times  I also feel they all have a fair amount of intelligence.  Why didn't Lisa just tell Teddie clearly --- hey, you misunderstood what I wanted and that is YOUR problem not mine.....Honestly, I think she is too nice and treats them all with respect they don't deserve.  Even if Lisa did tell Sessa to tell Teddie and the entire universe, even if she did, it changes nothing.  Teddie didn't have to do anything at all.  She chose to stick her face in it.  Kyle gossiped about it too and wanted to make Dorit look bad because she even said it to Lisa: You always give dorit a free pass then you make me look bad!  Kyle and Dorit made this entire thing up to make Lisa look bad.

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1 hour ago, Jel said:

This is such an excellent point, Langford Peel. If Lisa really is such a sneaky exposer of dirty laundry, why hasn't she brought (arranged to have brought up!) any of these stories.  But not a single "Such an unfortunate thing about Mauricio being sued" or "Oh dear, well I know Erika and Tom will be alright in spite of this lawsuit" Or even. "Ken, can we lend our beloved PK and Dorit some money to help pay off their creditors? Such an unfortunate situation it is for the poor dears"

But nothing. No wonder she's so choked about the whole thing, given what she actually knows and could be talking about.

There are lawsuits against LVP   that the other women have not brought up on camera. I remember there was a sexual harassment suit against one of their restaurant managers that also implicated them - IIRC, Ken was accused of actively destroying evidence - and I further believe they ended up having to pay the former employee - and this was never mentioned by the other women on the show, so LVP's back has definitely been scratched in that regard. I don't think anyone accuses LVP of bringing things up willy-nilly - it's simply when she has an active beef with you or wants to punish you. Hence, why she brought up the Mauricio cheating rumors in Season 4 (not to mention accusing Kyle/Mauricio of using her and Ken for the sale of their home at the end of Season 3).

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5 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

There are lawsuits against LVP   that the other women have not brought up on camera. I remember there was a sexual harassment suit against one of their restaurant managers that also implicated them - IIRC, Ken was accused of actively destroying evidence - and I further believe they ended up having to pay the former employee - and this was never mentioned by the other women on the show, so LVP's back has definitely been scratched in that regard. I don't think anyone accuses LVP of bringing things up willy-nilly - it's simply when she has an active beef with you or wants to punish you. Hence, why she brought up the Mauricio cheating rumors in Season 4 (not to mention accusing Kyle/Mauricio of using her and Ken for the sale of their home at the end of Season 3).

I believe this was the lawsuit Rinna brought up

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3 minutes ago, janie2002 said:

I believe this was the lawsuit Rinna brought up

No, Rinna brought up a different one, I believe, and that one was dismissed. That one had to do with Vanderpump Dogs. In the one I'm speaking of, there was a judgment filed against them, and it involved Villa Blanca.

Edited to include link with more details: https://www.wehoville.com/2014/11/19/vanderpump-hit-1-5-million-legal-fees-sexual-harassment-case/ - though this article doesn't mention Ken destroying video evidence.

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3 minutes ago, PhilMarlowe2 said:

No, Rinna brought up a different one, I believe, and that one was dismissed. That one had to do with Vanderpump Dogs. In the one I'm speaking of, there was a judgment filed against them, and it involved Villa Blanca.

Got it, man rich people are shady and get sued alot. lol

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On 3/12/2019 at 6:39 PM, izabella said:

Does that mean the the Housewives will only have each other to turn against without Lisa as their punching bag?  Awesome.  I am looking forward to that!

I hope Lisa V takes a "leave of absence" from the show, because it will force the others to turn on each other like a bunch of hungry banshees who all want to be The Queen. It will all end in tears (and laughs).

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7 minutes ago, halkatla said:

I hope Lisa V takes a "leave of absence" from the show, because it will force the others to turn on each other like a bunch of hungry banshees who all want to be The Queen. It will all end in tears (and laughs).

Lord of the Flies: Beverly Hills Edition

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8 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

I so agree ! Came to this board specifically to read/post about that Aaron.  We got to hear him talk finally on this episode. I don't have a problem so much with his new age ideas (choosing Sept 8th as their wedding date because of the power of the number 8). But there was something creepy and non-charming about him.  Sure it could just be its his first time on reality show TV and being uncomfortable on camera. But .....

Denise said to him, that before she met him she was a vegetarian and didn't drink (much). Now she does both.  Plus it seemed like he kept saying the "eff" word alot (they had to keep bleeping it). The vulgarity was too much, too casual for the out to dinner scenario, and disrespectful to Denise. 

I also didn't like his bulk. The pumped up body - steroids ? 

Does this guy earn a decent living doing new age stuff ? Is he living off of Denise?

I hope Denise hasn't made a mistake. She has three little girls, whom she just adores, to protect. 

I totally agree with everything you said, but I was also surprised when Denise said he had a "big dick".  I watched her show with her Dad & she was never crude & that seemed so out of character for her.  Back then, I couldn't understand what she saw in Charlie & why she hung on so long, but this guy is bottom of the barrel, IMHO!!!

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On 3/12/2019 at 10:03 PM, Steph J said:

I hate how this has become about LVP vs. Teddi instead of what it should actually be about, which is the shitty thing Dorit did to that dog.

Thank you.  I don't get why LVP didn't give Dorit a piece of her mind when she heard what happened with the dog.  That just seems strange to me.

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5 hours ago, langford peel said:

So her passionate involvement in the protests against the Yulin dog eating massacre is about treating animals as accessories.

Lisa walks the walk when it comes to protecting animals.

I am ashamed to admit that I knew nothing about it until I learned about it from Lisa’s passion on RHOBH. Where is the corresponding passionate charity work from these other idiots? Lisa does great work and if she wants to dress up Jiggy like Liberace ....well the English are often eccentric.

Eh, LVP is big on curating a certain image with her charities - but the daily accessorizing with living creatures, which she plops down on tables and bar tops along with her purses and keys is disgusting.

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33 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

What image would that be?

That she's a decent human being?

That she’s loving and kind, when she’s actually calculating and not so kind.

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1 hour ago, nexxie said:

Eh, LVP is big on curating a certain image with her charities

Lisa Vanderpumps involvent in the fight against the Yulin massacres are as far from image polishing as you can get. She is obviously dedicated to saving those dogs and devotes a lot of money and time to the fight. It is just not fair to call it image polishing.

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18 minutes ago, nexxie said:

That she’s loving and kind, when she’s actually calculating and not so kind.

Feeding the homeless and tirelessly campaigning for an end to animal torture?

That heartless bitch!

She should be filmed making a sack lunch and driving around until she finds someone who needs it!

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18 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Feeding the homeless and tirelessly campaigning for an end to animal torture?

That heartless bitch!

She should be filmed making a sack lunch and driving around until she finds someone who needs it!

Kyle feeds the bums too ;(

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5 minutes ago, Higgins said:

Kyle feeds the bums too ;(

It is truly one of television's greatest missed opportunities that The Hilton's Beverly Hills Bums Makeovers pilot never got picked up for a series.

At least it is still on YouTube!

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On 3/13/2019 at 3:51 PM, Drumpf1737 said:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/bbma/8456667/billboard-music-awards-2018-red-carpet-pre-show

https://www.billboard.com/music/erika-jayne/chart-history/dance-club-play-songs

https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/erika-jayne-memoir-new-york-times-bestseller-list

https://pagesix.com/2017/12/19/erika-jayne-joins-kim-kardashians-hollywood-game/

https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/pictures/erika-jayne-x-shoedazzle-spring-2019-collection-pics-details/

So these are just a few of Erika Jayne's money making accomplishments that have nothing to do with her husband.

Even if her music thing started out as a vanity project financed by her husband, between the shoe deal and the book she's more than paid him back. Thanks though for reminding us that a woman has no greater accomplishment than getting a husband to some people. 

Is this Mikey?? Lol I mean no offense but I’ve never seen anyone go this hard for eryka. IMO, she’s a bored housewife who used her husbands money to get to where she’s at. Nothing wrong with that... just facts. I think she would have more respect from women if she used that money to start a legitimate business instead of these gigs. This woman is wayyyyy past her prime, and wayyyy to old to think she’s going somewhere with her “Eryka Jane” persona. If it wasn’t for her glam squad of ass lickers that she has around NO ONE would give a shit about her. 

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On 3/13/2019 at 9:43 PM, howiveaddict said:

Hey! Are you me? I had the exact same early life. Including the Maids who would clean our dorm rooms and bathrooms.  We only had to make our own bed.  My mother always made me scrub the bathrooms at home too.  And I'm a nurse.  Maybe you're my long lost twin!

Could be! We had to make our beds, too, but aside from keeping our rooms relatively neat, that's all we had to do with housekeeping.

Maybe you're my long lost roomie!

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On 3/13/2019 at 8:25 AM, SweetieDarling said:

That's a scary thought, considering this one thinks toilets are self-cleaning. There's going to be nothing left for Portia.

Check out American Standard Acticlean toilets on Lowe's. They have cartridges with cleaning liquid that insert on the top. Push a button to either quick clean or deep clean. Works pretty well. We have one for our OCD child. He asked for it when Howie Mandel advertised it. So when his bathroom needed remodeling, we bought one. Not much more expensive than regular ones. But the cleaning cartridges are a bit pricey.

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6 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

I totally agree with everything you said, but I was also surprised when Denise said he had a "big dick".  I watched her show with her Dad & she was never crude & that seemed so out of character for her.  Back then, I couldn't understand what she saw in Charlie & why she hung on so long, but this guy is bottom of the barrel, IMHO!!!

Denise is an actress who married Charlie Sheen.  I tend to think that a crude statement is not something that is all that out of character.  Its more likely that her reality TV performances involve a good bit of scripting / acting.

I'm not saying I think she's a terrible person or anything.  But a crass statement doesn't surprise me.  She was with Charlie Sheen long enough to have two kids.

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I don't like Erika but I have to say she has a pretty good golf swing, it looked like she was crushing those balls when they were in the Bahamas.

This Lucygate shit must take a big turn against LVP if she quits filming and Ken throws Kyle out of their house? They didn't like how things were going and they took their ball and went home.

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