S09.E03: Sun and Shade in the Bahamas

[Keywestclubkid]

I will defend Erika to the end of the earth on this card. She HAND wrote the note she stopped took the time to get it together and wrote something.....she didn’t send a quick text she didn’t send impersonal flowers....That is beyond an acceptable thing to do. Now the woman is being attacked For sending a hand written condolence card because it’s not good enough? I find that just hilarious 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[njbchlover]

20 minutes ago, nexxie said:

The reason the story is on the show is that LVP schemed for John to waltz into the room and start complaining about Dorit in front of Teddi and Kyle. Dorit was surprised, thinking they had put the issue to bed off camera. 

I don't know - I thought I remembered that Teddi already knew about it by texts from John to her, prior to her and Kyle's visit to Vanderpump Dogs.  I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was discussed, and that was the reason why John brought Lucy out for Teddi to see.  I also cannot see LVP sitting down with John and telling him that he had to do this on air.  He seemed extremely upset and genuinely outraged and angry about the situation - didn't seem like he needed any prompting or persuasion.

And, for sake of a timeline - did this whole thing happen before or after LVP's brother's suicide?  If after, I cannot imagine LVP being so laser-focused on creating some ridiculous drama for the show when she was grieving for her brother.

This will be a never-ending discussion among posters - those who side/like LVP and those who will not because they don't like LVP.

Edited February 27, 2019 by njbchlover

[MrsWitter]

DORIT IS NOT A VICTIM. Teddi isn’t a scapegoat and Kyle isn’t an inanimate chess piece. I don’t know whether Lisa encouraged her employees to out Dorit or just ok’ed it (honestly, it wouldn’t take much convincing for many people in rescue to want to out Dorit on their own), but I also just don’t care. Lucy ended up in a kill shelter where she very easily could have been put down (even with a microchip, it happens all the time) and she was certainly traumatized to some degree by all the shuffling around. I’m tired of hearing non-apologies from Dorit and claims about her “intent.” You put a sentient, sensitive creature in danger, Dorit. And that does make her deserve all this and more, Rinna. Also, while the term “gossip” can just refer to talking behind another person’s back in a disparaging manner, the typical definition and the connotation includes saying something untrue or false about the person. So far, nothing that either of the Johns has said about Dorit is false.

Honestly, I just wish LVP had lit into her and sued her for the $5,000 penalty. Because if it were me, I would have been walking around Beverly Hills and West Hollywood with posters of Dorit’s face and “Bad Person” written on it, ala Samantha Jones in SATC after Richard cheated on her. 

[renatae]

20 minutes ago, Otherkate said:

Uh, yeah...ladies, if you want me to come down on Vanderpump, you're going to have to find a victim who is basically ANYONE other than Dorit. Sorry.

I thought Erika's note was very generic, but it is so inappropriate to complain about it. She sent something. It's enough.

That said, I went through an insane period of grief after an unexpected death a few years ago and I was a total mess. Because of that experience, I give anyone going through the first year of grief a WIIIIIIDE berth. I can't even imagine thinking that ganging up on LVP after her brother's suicide, even if she is acting kind of like a dick here and there, would be a good look for anyone. Not a good look.

I'm having such a visceral reaction to seeing Erika's glam squad at this point, it almost feels like they're terrorizing me personally. 

Yes to all of this!

Regarding LVP's grief, I'm sorry for what you went through. So horribly difficult. I have a friend who has been through several family deaths while I've known her, but nothing affected her like the suicide of a parent. She became almost a completely different person. Always having had been upbeat, she became resentful of friends and associates whom she felt weren't being supportive enough. She was depressed for a good year or more. Death by suicide is just another entirely different level from deaths by other causes. Family always feels guilt, always question why, question everything. So Lisa's reactions don't surprise me.

As far as your feeling terrorized by the glam squad, the person being terrorized is Erika, but she's too dumb to realize it, lol.

[Bronzedog]

Dorito is on WWHL.  Why God?  Haven't we all suffered enough?

[VedaPierce]

Vanderpump doesn't owe it to Dorit to keep her ugly secret. And neither does her employee. Dorit did a shitty thing and everyone is supposed to keep quiet about it and never discuss what Dorit did? The onus is on Dirty Dorit to not go behind her friends' back to drop her dogs off at shelters, knowing how Vanderpump feels about her furry friends. Those animals are Vanderpump's life. She invested time and money into a business devoted to protecting them, and Dorit dumps one off, after signing a contract promising not to, and people actually side with Dorit. It's pretty mind-boggling. I guess people hate Vanderpump so much, they overlook the real villainy in this story. Sad... 

Edited February 27, 2019 by VedaPierce

[howivesforever]

1 minute ago, Bronzedog said:

Dorito is on WWHL.  Why God?  Haven't we all suffered enough?

And she made a point to say neither her or PK are talking to Lisa. I think Lisa is just somewhere crying about that! Her story is still changing now she called Lisa immediately after giving the dog away and not the next day as she has said repeatedly on the show.

[Drumpf1737]

21 minutes ago, charming said:

Erika has an OTT reaction to anything less than a thorough ass licking. Maybe she needs to spend less time with her fawning employees.

Right and the woman moaning that your condolence note wasn't fawning and heartfelt enough is saintly *eyeroll*

One of these women has a whole show in which her employees fawn over her and screw each other and it isn't Erika. 

I mean, come on, Erika is nothing, if not absolutely clear about her boundaries, think we've seen these women bend to LVP so often it's weird to see someone push back against her bs. I wonder if the agreement between Erika and Tom is that she can't do anything to hurt his law practice.

[njbchlover]

5 minutes ago, howivesforever said:

And she made a point to say neither her or PK are talking to Lisa. I think Lisa is just somewhere crying about that! Her story is still changing now she called Lisa immediately after giving the dog away and not the next day as she has said repeatedly on the show.

I would expect nothing less from Dorit - her stories are constantly changing to suit the current situation.

By the time the reunion rolls around, Dorit will probably be telling people that she tried to return Lucy to LVP, and LVP never responded, so she had no choice but to find some stranger to take her to a shelter because she feared for PK's life!

Edited February 27, 2019 by njbchlover

[enchantingmonkey]

17 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I don't know - I thought I remembered that Teddi already knew about it by texts from John to her, prior to her and Kyle's visit to Vanderpump Dogs.  I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was discussed, and that was the reason why John brought Lucy out for Teddi to see. 

You're not wrong.  I remember Teddi talking about how John had texted her about Lucy before she went to Vanderpump Dogs with Kyle.  

[swankie]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about Denise, but, I love her.  She's so normal and down to earth.  She was the only one dressed appropriately for the in room drinks.  Everyone else always walking around in prom/bride maid dresses is ridiculous, although this cast isn't quite  as bad as Atlanta. 

Nothing against you Bronzedog but this post reminds me of how everyone felt about Eileen at first, but by the end of the season she was close to being public enemy #1.  🤣

[bichonblitz]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

Rinna is constantly vying for the HBIC role, and is looking to take LVP down.  She's been doing it for years now.  

From my viewpoint, she's the one doing a shitload of manipulation here - not LVP.

I agree with this. Rinna has never liked LVP. Maybe Kim Richards should stop by and knock Rinna down a couple of pegs. 

I loved the side convo at the table Camille and Denise were having while the other bitches were consoling Dorit. Camille said Dorit should have told LVP about the issues with the dog and brought the dog directly back to LVP. Denise agreed, then also told LVP she thought her employee was wrong for stirring the shit. They were both 100% spot on. 

[enchantingmonkey]

Dorit has totally thrown LVP under the bus on Watch What Crappens, claiming that LVP knew about Lucy going to the other home right away and that all of the fuss is only happening for the cameras.  

Will LVP even show up for the Reunion after this reveal???

[Lady of nod]

1 hour ago, howivesforever said:

Dorit did a shitty thing. Lisa did tell her she should have returned the dog repeatedly! I also think Teddy is full of shit. In my opinion Rinna,Teddy and Kyle planned this take down of Lisa thinking this time the audience would be on their side. So far they just look like assholes and so does Lisa but only about the condolence note.

If I gave a friend a puppy and she gave it away rather than return it  and it ended up in a kill shelter There would be no more friendship. Period. So sure LVP's still pissed. Can't blame her for that. 

[breezy424]

Next episode is going to be real interesting.  Ken gets John's texts to Teddi (accusing her of being an f'n liar) and according to Teddi's blog tonight she admits she wasn't totally innocent but feels she was used:

Spoiler

The answer to all of the above: Because it was all designed by LVP to get this Lucy story out there without looking like she wanted it out there. As you see in the trailer for next week, I am not clean in this mess, and it starts to be revealed. I say some crappy and shady things to John Blizzard after he tells me a dramatic story that LVP wanted me to hear at a time when Dorit and I had high tensions. But it all begins with Lisa Vanderpump, and I’m realizing she’s using me as the fall gal.

[njbchlover]

4 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

I agree with this. Rinna has never liked LVP. Maybe Kim Richards should stop by and knock Rinna down a couple of pegs. 

I loved the side convo at the table Camille and Denise were having while the other bitches were consoling Dorit. Camille said Dorit should have told LVP about the issues with the dog and brought the dog directly back to LVP. Denise agreed, then also told LVP she thought her employee was wrong for stirring the shit. They were both 100% spot on. 

Maybe LVP should just get the bunny baby gift from the Clubhouse and plop it on the table at every lunch and dinner with Rinna!  🙂

[renatae]

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

John was only carrying out his employer’s wishes - he was used, just like Teddi. Rinna plays her own games, but tonight she exposed LVP’s.

I'm sorry, I don't buy that for a minute. John was royally upset and I don't blame him. I think his words were precisely his own and that he did not need anyone to put a bug in his ear.

Some think Lisa could have prevented her employees from saying anything. I think assuming she would be able to guess what her employees would say to her friends, if anything, about the situation is speculative. It reminds me of Teresa trying to tell Melissa she could control what Joe does on RHONJ. Sure, she could retaliate after the fact, but is she also supposed to be clairvoyant?

Edited February 27, 2019 by renatae
Clarity

[Lady of nod]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

Effing Rinner. What a piece of work. She’s just been WAITING for LVP to have her defenses down to find a moment to make her look bad to the group. Well congrats, you’ve finally found that moment in the wake of her brother’s suicide. Well done.

Love Denise showing up in shorts. She looked cute and casual, and appropriate for drinks in a HOTEL room, for heavens sake. And speaking of the hotel—jeezus is it REALLY necessary for these women to kiss and fawn ovrr each other when they just saw each other a few hours ago?? 

Oh cry me a river, Dorit. I really wish Lisa had brought up the OTHER dog that Dorit returned to VP Dogs. I can absolutely see from that dinner why LVP didn’t want to film with the rest of them for the majority of the season. 

No Lisa should not have publicly criticized Erika’s condolence note. But, seriously, I received a warmer card from my vets office when my dog passed. Like, that woman is really closed off from any other emotions beyond disdain and bitchiness. 

THIS a thousand times. Thank you, you summed it up perfectly

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Lady of nod said:

If I gave a friend a puppy and she gave it away rather than return it  and it ended up in a kill shelter There would be no more friendship. Period. So sure LVP's still pissed. Can't blame her for that. 

It wasn’t a kill shelter not defending dorit at all but it was never at a kill shelter 

[MrsWitter]

9 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

It's pretty mind-boggling. I guess people hate Vanderpump so much, they overlook the real villainy in this story. Sad... 

I completely agree. I think part of it is resentment or dislike, but I think more of it just jockeying for Queen Bee status (especially Rinna). But, as LVP has told us, “the crown is heavy.” I don’t think Rinna completely realizes, in the midst of all her overt scheming, she’s tarnishing herself more than LVP. 

I can run hot and cold on LVP, but, on this, there’s no question who is in the wrong. I really question the intelligence (at least the emotional intelligence) of Rinna. There’s been times before when LVP was clearly in the wrong, but attacking her for defending a dog (even if she might be handling it in a clumsy, backhanded way)- really? It might secure Rinna a spot next season, but it’s not going to endear her to most fans.

As for the condolence letter, I do think Erika’s note was a little generic, but LVP really didn’t need to bring it up. That said,  LVP just seems really raw and vulnerable right now and Erika could have (and should have) diffused that conversation with kindness rather than defensiveness and anger. Even a stupid Housewives “I’m sorry you feel that way..” apology would have been a better look. Something like: “I wasn’t sure if you wanted to talk so I communicated my condolences the best way I knew how. I know you’re going through a tough time and I’m sorry if my response left you feeling ignored.”

[bravofan27]

IMO, Lisa V is very pissed at Dorit and PK for giving away the dog. The fact it ended up in a shelter is very strange-- it's hard to believe Dorit and PK did any vetting (if this person exists) of the adoptee. I personally think that PK got bit by the dog (I don't think the kids were bit), and he took it to shelter. I think it's that simple. I think Dorit it protecting PK. Lisa V is completely pissed. She's trying to get back at her, but people like Dorit so they aren't ready to turn on her yet. 

I have no idea why women get so dressed up for drinks to hang out with themselves. I think Denise played it perfect, though the skin on her face looks so strange. 

The ladies taking pictures like their supermodels. Uhhh. Everyone is pretty and looks amazing. Now, a troop of supermodels they are not. The pics were just a mismatched glob of random ladies sporting vastly different looks. 

I've been perplexed why Denise looks stunning at some times, and then like melting wax at other times. I think it's when she smiles that all the junk in her face bunches up makes unnatural lumps. When she was laying down she looked great. (probably important, lol).

I can't believe how ASSHOLE it was of Lisa V to start something with Ericka over the sympathy card. Though I rarely agree to with Lisa R., she is super slipping. I'm sure it hurt Lisa V to not get a call, but to use it as a storyline for the reality show is just asinine. She's just really morphed into one of the Vanderpump girls (who are less than half her age) where that type of high school drama is still ridiculous. imo.

[MrsWitter]

15 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

It wasn’t a kill shelter not defending dorit at all but it was never at a kill shelter 

We’ve heard multiple times on the show from Lisa and from Bravo sources that it was a kill shelter. What evidence is there that it wasn’t?

Edited February 27, 2019 by MrsWitter

[Pop Tart]

5 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

You're not wrong.  I remember Teddi talking about how John had texted her about Lucy before she went to Vanderpump Dogs with Kyle.  

She had gotten a text from John about it - think she said they’d been working on projects together and had become friendly. But from everything we’ve heard so far, she did not spread that information to anyone else. It has only come out on the show because Lisa’s employee John had brought the dog out in the store. Even then Teddi did not say anything on camera. But enter Kyle and suddenly John is nudging her and asking Kyle if she recognizes the dog, etc. All while Lisa is sitting right there. If Lisa wanted it shut down she could have done so right then by ordering John to leave the room or shut up. That’s what makes me sure that she wanted it out but did not want to be blamed for it getting out.

When she had her one one one with Dorit she made sure to mention that John and Teddi were talking about it, laying the groundwork for the shifting of blame. And next week when Ken brings out John/Teddi texts as some kind of proof of “Teddi gossiping about it” it’s more of the same. From what we know of the timeline those texts will be the ones they exchanged before filming and will only show what Teddi has said. John told her, she told no one, filming starts and it comes out on camera at VPDogs while Teddi and Kyle are there. 

That is all classic for LVP and how she operates. Rinna did have that right. Just enough truth for plausible deniability and subtly shifting the blame to others is how LVP has always worked things.

I do believe LVP is genuinely messed up about her brother at this point in the filming and is off her game. These type of manipulations would have been a bit more subtle in the past. I’ve never liked her because I do think she’s incredibly calculating, but I have admired her reality show skills. For this season I think she should have made the decision to sit it out or be on as a “friend of” for her own sake. But that die has been cast.

Oh and some have mentioned that Dorit brought the dog story into the show too because she told Erika all about it. I’m sure that confession/explanation was filmed after the discussion at VPDogs happened and Dorit had been told by producers or  Lisa perhaps that the story was going to be out there. Once she knew that Dorit had to be sure to get her side of the story on camera.

All this said, still can’t stand Dorit and I 100% believe that she dumped that dog at a shelter herself.

[Keywestclubkid]

20 minutes ago, MrsWitter said:

We’ve heard multiple times on the show from Lisa and from Bravo sources that it was a kill shelter. What evidence is there that it wasn’t?

Tonight on WWHL she flat out said the dog was NOT at a kill shelter she said it in front of Andy who didn’t correct her and I’m trying to find where bravo or anyone on the show said it was a kill shelter cause I don’t remember anyone saying that. They have all said shelter no one has specified kill shelter. Trust and believe had it been at a kill shelter LISA would have started the every jab and fight with you almost got the dog killed.....that has never been brought up. Again Dort shouldn’t have givin the dog away that’s not the issue at hand everyone agrees that was a shitty bad thing to do and that should be the story had not Lisa’s employees and Lisa herself not been sneaky about talking about it that’s the issue ... telling everyone around her and playing innocent when the shit is hitting the fan 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[MrsWitter]

13 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Tonight on WWHL she said it in front of Andy who didn’t correct her 

I haven’t watched it yet, but if Dorit said it, I have no reason to trust her. She might be purposefully lying or she could just be flighty “who has time to read contracts?” Dorit who wouldn’t know the difference between a kill shelter, a rescue, or a Motel 6. She’s not exactly the most reliable source.

ETA: Andy lets them get away with saying untrue things all the time. He selectively corrects and is selectively engaged (sometimes he seems to barely listen to answers and is just thinking about his next question). 

Another edit: Lisa has said it multiple times on the show (including tonight) in confessionals. Dorit can dispute it, but Lisa has specified “kill shelter.” It hasn’t been unclear on Lisa’s end.

Edited February 27, 2019 by MrsWitter

[Emmeline]

Wow, after Denise got up off the table after the massage I thought she looked beautiful.  She is a welcome respite from all the back stabbing and arrogance we see with some of the others.  Hope the show doesn’t change her.

Dorit’s children are too young to have a new puppy.  She was just asking for trouble and frankly Vanderpump Dogs should not have adopted the pup to a family with 2 toddles.  But why Dorit wasn’t honest enough to bring the dog back to Vanderpump Dogs is beyond me.  

I just can’t stand Rinna, her children or Erika Jane.

[Pattycake2]

This is one of the most tedious seasons ever.  Stupid, stupid, stupid puppygate.  Every time Lisa says she doesn't want to discuss it, somebody does, so it gets bigger and bigger.  A set up at Vanderpump Dogs?  Every cast member knows darn well that production sets up situations. Heck, we've seen picture evidence in RHONYC of the ladies filming things twice just so it comes off right on camera.  We've heard stories of producers giving the ladies wrong information to set up conflict.  The women absolutely know this.  Someone at Bravo decided that puppygate was going to be the theme of this season and each of the ladies' production crew is pushing it. 

Rinna's going around the table to air grievances like it was Festivus?  That was done on purpose.  Maybe they thought it would bring up puppygate AGAIN.  Instead, the ladies started talking about past grudges.   Communication between LVP and Erika was a problem last season.  How about Erika responding as she did in her talking head?  That she felt uncomfortable and then she could have simply apologized cuz she thought she was doing the right thing.  But no.  Frankly, all the women were making little digs towards Lisa the entire episode and anything Lisa said which was the least bit questionable was magnified.  Why?  From seeing all the bonding, giggling, drinking, etc., I think that they simply think that LVP is too old and they are cutting her out of the herd.   Kyle may be Lisa's friend, but she sure wants to be one of the cool girls.   And Rinna, be careful, you will be the next on the chopping block.

[RHJunkie]

16 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Tonight on WWHL she flat out said the dog was NOT at a kill shelter she said it in front of Andy who didn’t correct her and I’m trying to find where bravo or anyone on the show said it was a kill shelter cause I don’t remember anyone saying that. They have all said shelter no one has specified kill shelter. Trust and believe had it been at a kill shelter LISA would have started the fight with you almost got the dog killed.....that has never been brought up. Again Dort shouldn’t have givin the dog away that’s not the issue at hand everyone agrees that was a shitty bad thing to do and that should be the story had not Lisa’s employees and Lisa herself not been sneaky about talking about it that’s the issue ... telling everyone around her and playing innocent when the shit is hitting the fan 

A kill shelter does not mean that the animal goes there to die. A kill shelter is just a term that is used for shelters that do not implement a no-kill policy. Essentially, a shelter that does not have a no-kill policy may euthanize an animal for a number of reasons, including overcrowding at the shelter and how they choose which animals may likely depend on the animals current state of health but that I'm not totally certain of. Referring to the facility as a kill-shelter is not suggesting that Dorit (or anyone else) almost got an animal killed - the issue is that their lack of policies in protecting the animals at all costs may leave animals at risk to be euthanized.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

A kill shelter does not mean that the animal goes there to die. A kill shelter is just a term that is used for shelters that do not implement a no-kill policy. Essentially, a shelter that does not have a no-kill policy may euthanize an animal for a number of reasons, including overcrowding at the shelter and how they choose which animals may likely depend on the animals current state of health but that I'm not totally certain of. Referring to the facility as a kill-shelter is not suggesting that Dorit (or anyone else) almost got an animal killed - the issue is that their lack of policies in protecting the animals at all costs may leave animals at risk to be euthanized.

But again no one on the show or with bravo has stated it was a kill shelter.... I 100% understand what you are saying but no one other then people speculating  have brought up the kill shelter thing. 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Drumpf1737]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But again no one on the show or with bravo has stated it was a kill shelter.... 

Sorry KWCK rewatching and Teddi calls it a kill shelter

[missyb]

In the first episode of the season, didn't Teddy say that she brought her kids, as did Kyle to Vanderplump Dogs's often. The kids liked to play with the pups.  So the fact that Lisa may have called them to come in on a shooting day should not be any big deal or setup. LVP wants to get her rescue and business on TV and the kids had already been going there. Nothing sinister , so far.

Note: LVP has admitted had behaved horribly this season. Not sure what exactly that means but it was on the Bravo site either preseason or after the first episode.

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

Sorry KWCK rewatching and Teddi calls it a kill shelter

When? If I missed it I missed it but I don’t remember anyone saying kill shelter 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Drumpf1737]

In a talking head during the scene when they're at dinner. 

[MrsWitter]

3 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

A kill shelter does not mean that the animal goes there to die. A kill shelter is just a term that is used for shelters that do not implement a no-kill policy. Essentially, a shelter that does not have a no-kill policy may euthanize an animal for a number of reasons, including overcrowding at the shelter and how they choose which animals may likely depend on the animals current state of health but that I'm not totally certain of. Referring to the facility as a kill-shelter is not suggesting that Dorit (or anyone else) almost got an animal killed - the issue is that their lack of policies in protecting the animals at all costs may leave animals at risk to be euthanized.

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But again no one on the show or with bravo has stated it was a kill shelter.... 

Again, LVP has said it MULTIPLE times on the show. Dorit even wrote in a recent blog that she was angry that Lisa classified it as a “kill shelter” on the show. So I heard it and Dorit heard it and I’m sure a number of other people did too. That’s why Dorit is getting so defensive about it not being a kill shelter- because Lisa has directly stated it on the show MULTIPLE TIMES.

If anyone wants a good summary/definition of kill vs. no-kill shelters, I highly recommend reading this post from Nathan Winograd, a lawyer, author of multiple books on shelters, and the director of the No Kill Advocacy Center.

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/defining-no-kill/

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, MrsWitter said:

Again, LVP has said it MULTIPLE times on the show. Dorit even wrote in a recent blog that she was angry that Lisa classified it as a “kill shelter” on the show. So I heard it and Dorit heard it and I’m sure a number of other people did too. That’s why Dorit is getting so defensive about it not being a kill shelter- because Lisa has directly stated it on the show MULTIPLE TIMES.

If anyone wants a good summary/definition of kill vs. no-kill shelters, I highly recommend reading this post from Nathan Winograd, a lawyer, author of multiple books on shelters, and the director of the No Kill Advocacy Center.

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/defining-no-kill/

Found the blog.... I honestly don’t remember anyone saying kill shelter....

I feel sick to my stomach hearing Lisa V say in her interview that Lucy ended up in a kill shelter. It was confirmed to Lisa V and I both that it was NOT a kill shelter, that Lucy was never in danger nor brought to a kill shelter, and yet she and her team are relentless in trying to inflate the story.”

[RHJunkie]

14 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But again no one on the show or with bravo has stated it was a kill shelter.... 

LVP called it a kill-shelter as did her employee (I think). I think Teddi may have also said so as well (but that would make sense since she learned about the situation from the employee and was likely repeating info) Dorit said it wasn't. Bravo  and Andy has absolutely zero reason or need to clarify. You obviously believe Dorit and that's fine but I'm pointing out that your explanation to substantiate why you think Dorit is telling the truth doesn't work (though that doesn't mean you still can't believe Dorit is the one telling the truth). I was pointing out that by virtue of what a kill shelter is, LVP could not claim that Dorit almost had the dog killed unless the shelter specifically told LVP that they would have to put the dog down if the dog was not picked up by LVP's rescue facility.

I'm still waiting to see how the season plays out to see if I have an opinion on whether LVP truly designed to have the puppy story outed, BUT in the meantime, I am inclined to believe it was a kill shelter only for the fact that I find it suspicious that with all this talk about the shelter, not a single person has named the shelter (at least to my knowledge). That would be the easiest way to verify who is telling the truth but I do think there could be legal ramifications for naming the shelter and associating it as a 'kill-shelter' because this is an informal term created by activists and has misleading connotations about the overall policies and protocols of the shelter (ex. people thinking that they are a shelter that takes in animals and then puts them down for not good reason).

Edited February 27, 2019 by RHJunkie

[MrsWitter]

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

Found the blog.... I honestly don’t remember anyone saying kill shelter....

I feel sick to my stomach hearing Lisa V say in her interview that Lucy ended up in a kill shelter. It was confirmed to Lisa V and I both that it was NOT a kill shelter, that Lucy was never in danger nor brought to a kill shelter, and yet she and her team are relentless in trying to inflate the story.”

Right, but as I (and others) said, they did specify it. Multiple times. And Dorit is probably the least reliable person to dispute this. She can’t bother to read a contract, but she knows the intake and euthanasia policies of the shelter? No.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

9 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I will defend Erika to the end of the earth on this card. She HAND wrote the note she stopped took the time to get it together and wrote something.....she didn’t send a quick text she didn’t send impersonal flowers....That is beyond an acceptable thing to do. Now the woman is being attacked For sending a hand written condolence card because it’s not good enough? I find that just hilarious 

She also took the time to snap a picture before sending it.  Because why? She just knew Lisa will bring it up and she'd whip out her evidence? 

That is calculating!

Edited February 27, 2019 by Deputy Deputy CoS

[Keywestclubkid]

17 minutes ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

She also took the time to snap a picture before sending it.  Because why? She just knew Lisa will bring it up and she's whip out her evidence? 

That is calculating!

Lol or after years of knowing how each of these woman operates covering your ass would come second nature....and come on getting offended over a condolence card? Really? You didn’t put enough love into it? Lol they aren’t/weren’t super close she would have been dragged for being fake had she done some grand gesture and it would have been fake. And it’s no different then what ken does in printing out backlogs of text to help his point of view in the preview of next week. It’s reality tv you have to be prepared for anything. 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Rosiejuliemom]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

I don't know - I thought I remembered that Teddi already knew about it by texts from John to her, prior to her and Kyle's visit to Vanderpump Dogs.  I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was discussed, and that was the reason why John brought Lucy out for Teddi to see.  I also cannot see LVP sitting down with John and telling him that he had to do this on air.  He seemed extremely upset and genuinely outraged and angry about the situation - didn't seem like he needed any prompting or persuasion.

Teddi was in on it. 100%. The preview for next week proves it.

[Miss Slay]

I can't stand Lisa Rinna. She's such a try hard and she's obsessed with Lisa Vanderpump. Obsessed.

She wants the group to turn against LVP- and it's working.

Her mask slipped when she did that interview with Jenny McCarthy this week. She want LVP to be fired and is jealous that she has a spinoff show.

[renatae]

1 hour ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Dorit has totally thrown LVP under the bus on Watch What Crappens, claiming that LVP knew about Lucy going to the other home right away and that all of the fuss is only happening for the cameras.  

Will LVP even show up for the Reunion after this reveal???

So, now her story is that "right away" AFTER giving the dog up, she told Lisa. So what if she did? What good would that have done? The dog is already gone. If she was so prompt and eager to share with Lisa what was going on, what the hay stopped her from just calling Lisa and telling her she needed to return Lucy to Vanderpump Dogs?

Instead, she gives her to some woman she doesn't know, despite which she is sure will provide a "lovely home." Mmmmmk.

[Rosiejuliemom]

2 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

I wish LVP had told the group that when Dorit adopted Lucy she was told that if things did not work out for Lucy and the family, that she would return the dog to Vanderpump Dogs. ... and had signed a contract agreeing to this.  Instead Dorit gave the dog away to a friend.  That friend placed Lucy in a kill shelter.  Because LVP's shelter micro chips it's dogs, the kill shelter contacted them and they rescued Lucy again.  Lisa was never angry that Lucy and the kids were not a good match, it happens.  What Lisa was upset about was Dorit not sticking to the contract that she signed and Lucy ended up in a kill shelter.  Lisa and her staff at the shelter put their blood, sweat, and many tears into finding good homes for dogs.  For them it is not just a job but a life's mission.  I believe that the shelter staff member who spilled the beans about Lucy was extremely angry that Lucy's life was endangered once again.  I think when he saw Dorit's friend he took it upon himself to let Teddy know what Dorit had done.  If I were in his place, I probably would do the same. 

It wasn't even a friend! Dorit admitted on WWHL that Lucy was given to someone who was friends with someone who worked with PK!

She gave the dog to a person she didn't even know.

[RHJunkie]

Just finished watching the episode.

LVP is doing her passive aggressive thing. She's low key upset with Dorit but she's trying to play it off so instead she takes passive aggressive digs at Dorit. Each woman has their 'thing' they do when they're angry and after so many seasons of LVP on this show, who doesn't know this tactic? Dorit thinks LVP may still be upset with her? No shit.

Denise may have felt under dressed but I did think she looked the best. Loved her outfit. And totally fair to think drinks in someone's hotel room isn't going to be some lavish affair that requires a glam squad or two. Still liking Denise so far.

Maybe it's my eyes but Rinna's boobs looked lopsided in that TH in the green printed dress. Also, Rinna quickly made the dog thing a situation about LVP manipulating Kyle and Teddi in order to out Dorit and make her look bad. How it is any different that Rinna would hijack Dorit's vacation (which wasn't about airing grievances) and sitting up a sharing circle in hopes that things would come out against LVP? It's just annoying when I see the women across the franchises be so quick to point out shit about the others when they exhibit the same damn behaviour.  She's claiming LVP set the other women up to do her dirty work...well couldn't LVP say the same about Rinna? Don't roll in the mud and act like the other person is the only one dirty. You could see the fleeting look of disappointment when the women became kind to LVP when she began to get emotional, lol. But then she got her smirk back at the dinner table.

I didn't think that LVP was making Erika look bad because she did acknowledge that Erika did send her a card...she was hoping for something more personal from Erika BUT with that said, it's shitty that LVP could not see the thoughtfulness in the gesture. Whether it was a text or a hand written card, the fact is that she was thought of and someone took the effort to reach out to her seemed buried by the notion that their gesture was not enough. I could understand her feeling hurt if it was Kyle that did that to her, but Erika? Being able to laugh and get along well enough doesn't mean you've become best friends.

[film noire]

...so wait: Teddi helped set up the whole "Lookee here, Dorit Dumped a Rescue Dog" reveal, and then sat there at that dinner on the beach --  all holier than thou, all "Nobody puts Baby (Doll) in the corner!"  -- THAT'S the situation? 

Teddi Mellencamp: this season's accuntability coach.

I enjoyed her so much last year - fresh, different, charmingly oddball  - and now this low-rent, game-playing bullshit is turning up everywhere in her wake.

~Teddi, you broke my heart! (Aiden voice) 

3 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Teddi was in on it. 100%. The preview for next week proves it.

Edited February 27, 2019 by film noire

[breezy424]

1 hour ago, MrsWitter said:

We’ve heard multiple times on the show from Lisa and from Bravo sources that it was a kill shelter. What evidence is there that it wasn’t?

Actually, LVP has said 'shelter' multiply times  when 'filming'.  It's only twice that LVP referred to it as a 'kill' shelter and if I remember correctly it was in her TH's.  Tonight for sure.  Last week, not quite sure.  The evidence is there IMO.

And heck, Dorit was wrong to give Lucy away but the evidence that Lucy was returned to a 'kill' shelter isn't.  BTW, I hate defending Dorit about the 'kill' thing.

[Rosiejuliemom]

2 minutes ago, film noire said:

So, wait....Teddi set up the whole "Lookee here, it's Dorit's dog" number, and sat there tonight, all holier than thou, and "

Teddi: this season's accuntability coach.

And now she's claiming that John was instructed to spill this to Teddi by the nefarious Vanderpump.

I rolled my eyes so hard, I think I pulled something while reading her blog.

[Drumpf1737]

51 minutes ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

She also took the time to snap a picture before sending it.  Because why? She just knew Lisa will bring it up and she's whip out her evidence? 

I don't think it's anymore calculating than drafting a pre-nup.

[SallySarue]

I can't keep track of how many times Kyle insists on bringing up the dog...and then accuses Lisa V of not letting it go. Um, hello...you are the one who can't stop talking about it Kyle. Sounds like YOU are setting HER up...not the other way around. I never cared for Kyle much. Didn't hate her or anything...just thought she was incredibly boring. But I did think she seemed like a decent person. Not anymore! She's trying hard to get LVP in hot water by not letting this Lucy thing go. It's one thing if you are gossiping about an acquaintance. But to continue to gossip over and over about something that one of your closest friends has told you multiple times that she does not want to talk about...and then accuse THEM of the exact thing it is that YOU are doing...is not only manipulative, but it just shows how UNLoyal and UNtrustworthy you really are. I cannot stand Kyle now. She is just awful.

Kyle (3rd time bringing it up out of nowhere): "I'm feeling a little weird about all of the side conversations about the dog." Um, then how about YOU STOP BRINGING IT UP, YOU WEIRDO!! What is she on? She is the one talking the most shit, spreading it around to everyone. Jesus Christ lady. Every single time this bitch brings up Lucy, Lisa V tells her point blank..."I don't want to talk about it. It has been resolved." Yet Kyle keeps insisting on making it an issue, trying to paint one of her "best friends" in a bad light. And then has the nerve to say LVP is the one who's not a good friend. I just can't anymore with this shit stirring woman who is sooo desperate to pit everyone against Lisa. What is her deal??? Her and Teddy both disgusted me this episode.

Teddy: "This situation could've been resolved between Lisa Vanderpump and Dorit. I should have never known about it! I'm starting to realize that this is a Lisa Vanderpump pattern here. Make your friends look bad, but keep your hands clean."

That is EXACTLY what you and Kyle are doing!!!!!! Not Lisa!!! Wow, the hypocrisy is astonishing. First of all, it WAS resolved. It's you and Kyle who still seem to have the issue with it!!! Second of all, you said yourself that John told you "the gossip" on the phone. So what does that have to do with LVP? She cannot control who her employees talk to, and what they choose to say in their personal life. And Rinna popping into the conversation saying "Yes you can control what your employees say." This is all just mind-boggling to me. Lisa Rinna is a B-U-L-L-Y. Plain and simple. She is not a good person.

And then they all gather round to comfort poor Dorit??? Are you kidding me??? Is this for real, or am I watching an episode of Punked? Because no way in hell all these women are serious right now. This has got to be one of the absolute worst things I've seen these bitches do...ever. Their behavior in this episode is seriously disturbing.

[bravofan27]

To me, the bottom line is that dog was somehow given to Dorit and PK, who apparently aren't fond of dogs, and then got rid of it when it bit. It seems that they could have sprung for some training for the dog, or it could be that the dog was aggressive and that's how it ended up in a shelter to begin with (from the website it says that Vanderpump dogs are rescues and in the bios of many of the dogs, it says the dog came from high-kill shelters). So it's sort of on Vanderpump dogs to not vet their dogs properly, IF that's what happened. Just because a dog is cute, doesn't mean it won't be aggressive. If I were Dorit, I would be like, "Why would you allow a dog that bites to go to a home with two small children?" 

Regardless, inevitably Dorit and PK messed up big time. And the dog, being a rescue, certainly didn't deserve to end up back at a shelter after all the work that went into rehoming him (even if he was placed incorrectly). Or her, Lucy. That said, John is not an employee, but an owner, at least what I gathered from the website. Not that it matters, but I don't think LIsa V can just tell him to shut up or not. 

Lisa V looks very thin this season.