Aethera January 16, 2019 Share January 16, 2019 This topic replaces the old The West Wing forum which has been vaulted at the location below: http://forums.previously.tv/forum/459-the-west-wing-v/ Link to comment
PeterPirate January 16, 2019 Share January 16, 2019 (edited) Oh dear. We've been vaulted. No matter. The West Wing is still the greatest TV show in history of TV shows. Edited January 16, 2019 by PeterPirate 9 Link to comment
ProudMary January 17, 2019 Share January 17, 2019 Whaaaa? It looked like we had made the cut. Very disappointed, PTV. 3 Link to comment
Guest January 18, 2019 Share January 18, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:33 PM, PeterPirate said: The West Wing is still the greatest TV show in history of TV shows Truth Link to comment
PeterPirate January 20, 2019 Share January 20, 2019 (edited) West Wing Quotes From Indians In The Lobby: CJ - How many treaties have we signed with the Munsee Indians? Maggie - Six. CJ - How many have we revoked? Maggies - Six. CJ - What were the Munsees doing in 1778? Maggie - Fighting in George Washington's army. CJ - And why aren't you in New York anymore? Maggie - Because he marched us to Wisconsin. And, from The Stormy Present: Lassiter - Go see Lincoln and listen. Edited January 21, 2019 by PeterPirate 2 Link to comment
PeterPirate January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 West Wing Quote: From He Shall From Time To Time: Sam - You know, here's the thing. We haven't been invited yet. Toby - What do you mean? Sam - Technically, the Speaker of the House invites the President to deliver the State of the Union. Toby - And we haven't been invited yet? Sam - Not yet. 5 Link to comment
Guest January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 I really don’t like Two Cathedrals. Bartlet’s speech to God drives me crazy- I should not have to look up Latin on the internet to figure out what was said during an episode. Also, he comes across as such an arrogant prick in so much of the MS storyline, especially then. And I get he’s grieving, but smoking and dropping his cigarette butt in the National Cathedral? So so wrong. But the line where he looks back at “God” and tells Him “you get Hoynes!” like a threat is just laughably dumb. Link to comment
AriAu January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 Quote I really don’t like Two Cathedrals. Also not one of my favorites...but you know who loves it, Aaron Sorkin. Sorkin was on the Bill Simmons podcast last week (very good listen) and Bill said The West Wing was full of lots of "moments" and asked AS what was his favorite moment and the one he came up with was the "moment" in Two Cathedrals during the "Brothers in Arms" sequence. AS said that he heard the music while driving around trying to clear his head and realized it was the perfect way to end the episode. By the way, he spends much of the episode praising the acting and the directing and especially Tommy Schlamme. Link to comment
Moose135 January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, deaja said: I really don’t like Two Cathedrals. Bartlet’s speech to God drives me crazy That one of my favorite episodes, and I love that scene - what other show would have the audacity to have its lead character curse at God, in Latin, in the middle of a cathedral? 12 hours ago, deaja said: And I get he’s grieving, but smoking and dropping his cigarette butt in the National Cathedral? That's a call to the flashback scene with his father earlier in the episode: Quote DR. BARTLET Mr. Spence found this cigarette butt on the floor in the aisle of the chapel. JED People shouldn't put their cigarettes out in the chapel, Mr. Spence. DR. BARTLET Well, people shouldn't be smoking in the chapel, I think is my point, Jed. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's an act of defiance against his father, not an insult aimed at the National Cathedral. Edited January 23, 2019 by Moose135 6 Link to comment
Guest January 23, 2019 Share January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Moose135 said: It's an act of defiance against his father, not an insult aimed at the National Cathedral. I get that but it is still disrespectful no matter his intent. Like I said, I find him to be an arrogant tool in much of the MS storyline and in that episode in particular, I find him to be insufferable. Link to comment
PeterPirate January 24, 2019 Share January 24, 2019 I don't like the whole hands-in-the-pockets thing that appears out of nowhere in this episode, never to be seen again. Season 2 should have ended with "Yeah, I'm going to run, and I'm going to win." Link to comment
Bastet January 24, 2019 Share January 24, 2019 46 minutes ago, PeterPirate said: I don't like the whole hands-in-the-pockets thing that appears out of nowhere in this episode, never to be seen again. Season 2 should have ended with "Yeah, I'm going to run, and I'm going to win." I agree that the hands-in-pockets gesture being this huge tell of his yet having never been shown to us before (and never incorporating it again) was a stretch, but disagree on some anvil-icious "I'm going to run and win" ending being better than stating his intention via that gesture. It was more powerful visually, and nice for us to know the answer when the press - and all but "our" characters - didn't. And, most of all, I liked that they answered the question for us, rather than making it a cliffhanger (not much of one, since there's no show if he doesn't run, but still), and just left us to wait and see how he phrased it and what the reaction/fallout was. As for Bartlet's rant in the church, I'm neither bothered nor enthralled by it. You can't get me invested in a storyline where someone, say, puts their faith in a benevolent unicorn and then says, "WTF, unicorn?!" when reality hits them, but his Catholic faith and his opinion of/treatment by his father (which worked together in his formative years and beyond) were always a big influence on his life, so while I'm not "OMG, how powerful/daring or how awful!" I certainly follow his thought process, given the backstory, and appreciate the emotion of the moment, even though I'm not swept away by it to the extent the show wants. 2 Link to comment
Bastet January 24, 2019 Share January 24, 2019 I don't remember (and am too lazy to check) if this article was posted in the Media thread of the now-vaulted forum, but I just came across it while looking for something else -- About five years ago, The Wire ranked nearly 115 WW characters, the list consisting mostly of those who appeared in two or more episodes but including a few memorable one-offs. They had me at hello, ranking C.J. number one and opening with, "One of the great mysteries of Hollywood—nay, of life—is that Aaron Sorkin is a fairly condescending and certainly problematic writer of women. And yet so goes C.J." Some key characters are ranked significantly differently than they are on the average list of WW characters, and I agree with a number of those surprising slots, so I found the list particularly interesting. (I wouldn't have ranked Donna that low, but I enjoyed reading along and realizing, "Hey, Donna hasn't made the cut yet." And I really like seeing so many other female characters ranked highly. Also, the inevitable ire many will have for how highly Amy is ranked and how she's described amuses me in advance. [I wouldn't put her that high, not even top ten, but I agree with their general sentiment about her.]) Here's the list, as republished in The Atlantic. Link to comment
Guest January 25, 2019 Share January 25, 2019 From that list Quote Her entire backstory as a Hollywood publicist who doesn’t seem to know much about Hollywood or publicity never made one lick of sense. This reminds me of a thought I had a couple weeks ago. It bugs me in the episode where we see her fired from her publicist job (ITSOTG I believe) her client asked about the Golden Globe nominations from that morning and she said she didn’t even know they were that morning- seriously? I would have fired her just for that! But I’ll never buy that a semi-competent publicist wouldn’t know and be awake for the nomination announcements. And C.J. was way more than semi-competent! Link to comment
Guest January 25, 2019 Share January 25, 2019 Okay, that list is ridiculous with how low Josh is ranked. Below Nancy McNally? Ainsley? Vinick? Amy? Zoey? Fitzwallace? No way. So basically I agreed with the top two, maybe top 4, though I would likely swap Leo and Toby. Link to comment
PeterPirate January 29, 2019 Share January 29, 2019 That list leaves off a lot of noteworthy characters. The most glaring omission by far is Stanley Keyworth. So I took an hour or so to scroll the show's IMDB list of characters and I came up with the following ones who appeared in at least two episodes that I thought worth mentioning (if only because they had enough lines to be recognizable): Claypool Efram Zahavy Nizar Farad Matt Skinner Robert Royce Annie (Vinick campaign aide) Mike Gordon Charles Frost Shira Galit Alana Waterman Darren Gibson Lauren Shelby Lauren Chin Lauren Romano Steve Atwood Lewis Berryhill Max Lobell Roger Tribbey Malti Chakrabarty Matt Hunt Doran Mazar Anthony Marcus Jack Sosa And the following notable one-episode characters: Morris Tolliver Rhonda Sachs Bobby Zane Rakim Ali Will Sawyer D.W. Newman Meeshel Anders Lisa Shureborn Lilli Mays Jules Ziegler Hogan Cregg Chris Carrick Rabbi Glassman Kevin Kahn Dr. Bartlet (Jed's father) Victor Campos Penn Jillette Yosh Takahashi Ludmilla Koss Thomas Cavanaugh Ricky Rafferty Sherri Wexler Marion Cotesworth-Haye Don Butler Seth Gillette Franklin Hollis Abdul Shareef Nikolai Ivanovich Vassily Kononov Winifred Hooper Jack Lone Feather Maggie Morningstar Charles Tyler (Aide from 20 Hours In America) Stephanie Gault Yo-Yo Ma Jon Bon Jovi Link to comment
bybrandy February 4, 2019 Share February 4, 2019 I mean I don't agree with everything on this list but it is pretty good. And because the Josh and Donna thing was so, so, so, so not my thing I kind of like their lower placements although both should be higher than they are. But whoever wrote this list? My kind of people. Link to comment
Kohola3 February 4, 2019 Share February 4, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 1:15 PM, Moose135 said: That one of my favorite episodes, and I love that scene - what other show would have the audacity to have its lead character curse at God, in Latin, in the middle of a cathedral? Ditto. That whole scene just blew me away. It was so West Wing, no other show would do such a thing. 2 Link to comment
Driad February 5, 2019 Share February 5, 2019 from "He Shall from Time to Time: President Josiah Bartlet: I came to this hallowed chamber one year ago on a mission, to restore the American dream for all our people as we gaze at the vast horizon of possibilities open to us... in the 321st century. Wow, that was ambitious of me, wasn't it? Sam Seaborn: Leo. Leo McGarry: Let's take a break. President Josiah Bartlet: We meant stronger here right? Sam Seaborn: What's it say? President Josiah Bartlet: I'm proud to report our country's stranger than it was a year ago. Sam Seaborn: That's a typo. President Josiah Bartlet: Could go either way. 7 Link to comment
BW Manilowe February 7, 2019 Share February 7, 2019 (edited) From The Hollywood Reporter: Allison Will Be Among the Presenters At This Year’s Academy Awards The Academy Awards “tradition”, if you will, in recent years has been for the “outgoing” Best Lead/Supporting Actor to present the award to the “incoming” Best Lead/Supporting Actress & the “outgoing” Best Lead/Supporting Actress to present the award to the “incoming” Best Lead/Supporting Actor. Earlier in the week word was going around that Allison hadn’t been invited to do that (& apparently neither had the other 3 Oscar-winning actors from last year), because the Academy supposedly wanted to go “another way” & “get bigger names as presenters”. Allison even posted about it on her social media, saying it (presumably meaning not getting to present) broke her heart—then she quickly deleted the post. And now it looks like the Academy has changed its mind, according to the linked article, & all 4 of last year’s Oscar winners for acting will be presenting at this year’s Oscars. What’s less clear cut is, will they continue the tradition of presenting the acting Oscars, or will they be presenting in other categories? At least we’ll get to see Allison. Don’t forget to watch! Edited February 9, 2019 by BW Manilowe To fix spacing and remove a capital letter from a word. Link to comment
ProudMary February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 Why is The West Wing not appearing in the TV Show Index since the site transition? Link to comment
Moose135 February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 9 hours ago, ProudMary said: Why is The West Wing not appearing in the TV Show Index since the site transition? It is - it is listed in the "Other Dramas" group in the "Dramas" category, but it is listed alphabetically under "T" for "The West Wing". Link to comment
PeterPirate February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 I prefer to think that we are in the Steam Pipe Trunk Distribution Venue. 1 1 12 Link to comment
ProudMary February 10, 2019 Share February 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Moose135 said: It is - it is listed in the "Other Dramas" group in the "Dramas" category, but it is listed alphabetically under "T" for "The West Wing". This alphabetical master list is where I'm talking about. I don't see it at all here.https://forums.previously.tv/shows/ Link to comment
Moose135 February 11, 2019 Share February 11, 2019 5 hours ago, ProudMary said: This alphabetical master list is where I'm talking about. I don't see it at all here.https://forums.previously.tv/shows/ Sorry, I hadn't seen that page before. You should probably send a message to the mods to look at it. Link to comment
Guest February 18, 2019 Share February 18, 2019 It’s showing up now. It was a temporary thing while the database was re-indexing. I’m still doing my rewatch, and I’m finding season 4 to drag more than I remember. Link to comment
PeterPirate February 22, 2019 Share February 22, 2019 Six Degrees of The West Wing Peter Tork was in The Monkees with Davy Jones, who took the time to write CJ a letter. 1 Link to comment
Guest February 25, 2019 Share February 25, 2019 Unpopular opinion, I’m sure, but I really think Donna should have been fired for her actions in Inaguaration: Part 2. To call C.J. to lie about being the one to give a quote when she was hoping all along Josh would know it wasn’t her? The whole thing was bizarre but unprofessional and showed a lack of trustworthiness. I never understood why it was played like she had been mistreated there. And sitting around in a ball gown pouting about not being at the party you decided to skip? Ugh. Link to comment
ProudMary February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 It looks like the world could use Lord John Marbury right about now. 6 Link to comment
AriAu February 28, 2019 Share February 28, 2019 Quote It looks like the world could use Lord John Marbury right about now. and..."It looks like we are one bad bottle of tequila away from all out war in West Asia" 3 Link to comment
AriAu March 1, 2019 Share March 1, 2019 Six Degrees goes here, I guess Kathryn Helmond died Kathryn Helmond was in Soap with our managing editor Robert Guillaume who was in Sports Night with Jeremy Goodwin/Joshua Malina 1 Link to comment
AriAu March 4, 2019 Share March 4, 2019 Just saw that Luke Perry died-he's not only younger than me, but when I was a "grown-up", he was still playing kids on 90210, so this is shocking. Luke Perry was in Normal Life with Ashley Judd who was in A Time to Kill with' Oliver Platt Link to comment
PeterPirate March 8, 2019 Share March 8, 2019 Jan Michael Vincent was in The World's Greatest Athlete withJohn Amos, aka Admiral Percy Fitzwallace And just to throw this out there: Kathryn Helmond was in Soap with Billy Crystal who was in Forget Paris with John Spencer 1 Link to comment
Driad March 8, 2019 Share March 8, 2019 A clip involving daylight saving time. (Donna, Toby, and Josh in Indiana.) 2 1 Link to comment
PeterPirate March 13, 2019 Share March 13, 2019 From Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics: Josh - You should've been more impressed that I was able to quote Theodore Roosevelt. Joey - I was impressed that you knew what 'polyglot' meant. Josh - 760 S.A.T. word, baby. 4 Link to comment
BW Manilowe March 26, 2019 Share March 26, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 5:34 PM, Driad said: A clip involving daylight saving time. (Donna, Toby, and Josh in Indiana.) Happily this doesn’t happen here any longer. Indiana began observing Daylight Savings Time in April, 2006. Link to comment
Kohola3 March 26, 2019 Share March 26, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 5:34 PM, Driad said: A clip involving daylight saving time. (Donna, Toby, and Josh in Indiana.) That whole episode never fails to crack me up. And when that was still going on in Indiana my sister worked in one time zone and lived in another. And their TV stations came from two different cities on different time zones. And the airport was an hour earlier than their home. It was like living in the Twilight Zone to visit there. 1 1 Link to comment
ottoDbusdriver March 27, 2019 Share March 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Kohola3 said: That whole episode never fails to crack me up. Agreed. Josh and Toby in rural Indiana is comedy gold, then toss in the time zone stuff and Toby losing the bet -- it's an awesome 2-part episode. Sidenote: The actor that plays Tyler in that clip ended up playing Jim Harper in 'The Newsroom' (another Aaron Sorkin series) 10 years later. 1 Link to comment
ProudMary April 4, 2019 Share April 4, 2019 I love trivia and have a pretty wide range of trivial knowledge. That said, I am a dunce when it comes to chemistry. Seriously, I know maybe 2 or 3 chemical abbreviations off the top of my head. However, today I was taking a Sporcle quiz which included this question: "SCIENCE: The chemical formula NaCl represents which edible compound?" I had no trouble providing the correct answer! 😄 Thank you C.J. (and Aaron.) Being a TWW nerd sometimes has its benefits. For the very few who won't recognize the reference:https://youtu.be/KOdrbf5sX_M?t=99 3 Link to comment
PeterPirate April 9, 2019 Share April 9, 2019 (edited) From In The Shadow Of Two Gunman, Part 2: Josh - Governor, California. You have to go the ballroom and give a victory speech in primetime and go to California. Edited April 9, 2019 by PeterPirate Link to comment
BW Manilowe April 10, 2019 Share April 10, 2019 (edited) Limited Edition Autographed The West Wing Print Available for 6 days only, as I write (I think it said). Edited April 10, 2019 by BW Manilowe To add italics. 1 Link to comment
Moose135 April 10, 2019 Share April 10, 2019 Are those old prints someone found in a warehouse, or did someone "sign" John Spencer's name on a new print? 1 Link to comment
Kohola3 April 14, 2019 Share April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, PeterPirate said: Yo Yo Ma rules. Poor Josh. Donna was driving him crazy. But ultimately saved him. 2 Link to comment
PeterPirate April 17, 2019 Share April 17, 2019 Another Six Degrees entry: Georgia Engel was in The Mary Tyler Moore Show withEd Asner who was in Lou Grant withMason Adams and Robert Walden By the way, All The President's Men just arrived at Netflix, featuring Robert Walden and Hal Holbrook. Link to comment
AriAu May 2, 2019 Share May 2, 2019 The West Wing Weekly this week is on Drought Conditions and is outstanding. I only made it thru the Debra Cahn portion and have not made it to the Richard Schiff conversation, but it gave GREAT insights into what I think is in the Top 5 post Sorkin episodes (still doesnt beat The Supremes, which I still think Sorkin wrote and gave to Debra Cahn to turn in!). I even went back to the TWOP recap 2 Link to comment
A.Ham May 4, 2019 Share May 4, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 1:06 PM, AriAu said: The Supremes, which I still think Sorkin wrote and gave to Debra Cahn to turn in! Lol, I hadn’t thought of this but suddenly think it’s plausible (and hilarious-like he just couldn’t help himself but write one more). Link to comment
PeterPirate May 4, 2019 Share May 4, 2019 (edited) In the commentary to The Supremes, Cahn gives a long explanation that her mother was in the hospital when she wrote it; in response to the stress of sitting in her mother's room, she infused the script with a lot comedy. Perhaps the lady doth explaineth too much? Also:Peter Mayhew was in Star Wars with Harrison Ford who was in Regarding Henry withAnnette Bening who was in The American President withMartin Sheen Edited May 4, 2019 by PeterPirate Link to comment
Bastet May 4, 2019 Share May 4, 2019 3 hours ago, PeterPirate said: Perhaps the lady doth explaineth too much? Or perhaps the woman wrote a great script of which she is proud and for which she rightly received credit - both among fans and per WGA rules - and, whether or not she's even half as tired as I am of hearing it must have been written by Aaron Sorkin instead, when asked about the creative process she is happy to share details. 1 5 Link to comment
PeterPirate May 8, 2019 Share May 8, 2019 Well, the idea is new to me. I didn't start posting about this show until late in the last season, so was not exposed to such discussions. I have to say, I don't find it totally implausible. Link to comment
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