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S01.E11: Contrails

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13 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I hate to have to be the Scrooge, Otto, but I don't think Christmas is coming to Manifestville this year.
But maybe if the show isn't cancelled before next Christmas you can hang Cal's stocking by the fireplace?

Heck, I'll take a Hanukkah reference, Thanksgiving/Macy's parade/Black Friday reference or even a New Year's Eve reference (this show is based in New York City after all). anything seasonal.

They made such a point about the plane returning in November, it's like the writers forgot what time of year it is.

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Another interesting effect of Daly & Fiona making it into the future, assuming they land at some reasonable time downstream, is that the original disappearance/reappearance would still be in everyone's collective memory.  Now it happens again, and the pilot has a first person account of both occurrences. Even if the mysterious three letter government organization managed to bury the story the first time, it will come roaring back again.

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Please forgive me if I geek out for a moment over this week's episode.  As noted, the series is set in and filmed in and around NYC.  The airport scenes from this episode were shot at Republic Airport, in Farmingdale on Long Island.  The airport has been a frequent set for television and movie shoots in the past ten years or so, and I'm always happy to see it on screen.  A hundred years ago, I learned to fly at Republic, earning my Private Pilot License while in college, prior to entering the Air Force and pilot training there.  For the past dozen years, I have been a volunteer at the American Airpower Museum based at the airport - it is located in one of the original Republic Aviation hangars, where they built P-47 Thunderbolts during WWII.  There have been many shows filmed at the airport - Madame Secretary, Unforgettable, Manifest, and Pan Am, to name a few, and I've managed to see some of that filming over the years.   Pan Am is especially memorable for me, as they flew John Travolta's 707 airliner in twice for filming, wrapping one side in Pan Am markings.  They used the museum hangar for wardrobe, extra staging, and meals - one long night I spent there as a volunteer helping keep people out of trouble, I got to meet most of the lead cast and share dinner with a few of them.

The gate where they drove onto the airport is real, I've been through it many times, although the little guard shack and stripped barrier were there only for the show - normally all you do is scan your key card and open the gate.  The hangar where the pilot parked his car and subsequently taxied out with the airplane is one of the Fixed Base Operators (FBO) on the field, and houses the old airport control tower, where I usually shoot during air show weekend.  When the hangar door comes up as the aircraft is about to pull out, the building on the far side of the ramp is our museum.  The two vehicles they had on the field are actually airport operations trucks, with the airport logo hidden.  I checked with a friend who works in ops - he was working that day, and said they had actors in the small truck, but real ops guys were in the fire truck.  They used guys who were not working that day, and were paid by the studio.  The pilot took off on Runway 19, not 27L (there's no such thing at Republic) which in a couple of minutes would have him heading out over the Atlantic.  Those ANG F-16s were a bit of television magic, as there is no ANG base on Long Island with fighters, the nearest F-16s would be at Atlantic City, with larger F-15s coming down from the Massachusetts ANG.

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17 hours ago, Biggie B said:

I figured Cal's full name is Calvin. 

I’ll never like the name Calvin the same again--remember Calvin, the creepy crawly alien life form from “Life”?

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I just don’t get this they all blame the pilot crap. The plane went missing for five years, no one aged, and no one knows were they were, etc. how in the world could anyone believe that it was somehow the fault of the pilot?!!?!?

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10 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I just don’t get this they all blame the pilot crap. The plane went missing for five years, no one aged, and no one knows were they were, etc. how in the world could anyone believe that it was somehow the fault of the pilot?!!?!?

They think he is either behind the conspiracy or at least knows more about it than he has let on.

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People just like to blame someone for a tragedy or problem, so I guess people decided on the pilot, as they had no one else to really blame. It makes zero sense that people would think he could have done anything to change the outcome (if anything, its pretty impressive he apparently drive through space and time and got everyone home eventually!) but I guess I can see it. I guess they assume that the guy behind the wheel had to know something, even if it really seems like he didnt. 

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Know something, perhaps and a few people believing it but I can’t buy the notion that the “entire world” blamed him. It suspends way too much of my disbelief like everything else on the show.

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On 1/16/2019 at 6:57 AM, ottoDbusdriver said:

Shouldn't it be getting close to Christmas by now ?  The plane returned in November, yet still no signs of decorations and no one seems to have a Christmas tree.
And no sign of snow or cold weather, even though it snowed in the very first episode.

I don't think I've ever seen a TV show have Christmas decorations on set when it wasn't originally airing in December, or maybe November.

 

33 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

People just like to blame someone for a tragedy or problem, so I guess people decided on the pilot, as they had no one else to really blame. It makes zero sense that people would think he could have done anything to change the outcome (if anything, its pretty impressive he apparently drive through space and time and got everyone home eventually!) but I guess I can see it. I guess they assume that the guy behind the wheel had to know something, even if it really seems like he didnt. 

I keep thinking about the "blame" part. Isn't a plane moving 5-years forward in time kind of a miracle? I bet lots of people would be trying to replicate what happened to make a time machine.  

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22 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

keep thinking about the "blame" part. Isn't a plane moving 5-years forward in time kind of a miracle? I bet lots of people would be trying to replicate what happened to make a time machine.  

Exactly! You would think if people truly believed he was responsible he would be revered, maybe scared of him but not shunned and blamed.

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11 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Exactly! You would think if people truly believed he was responsible he would be revered, maybe scared of him but not shunned and blamed.

@biakbiak, no amount of logic, common sense, or intelligent argument you can bring to the discussion is going make you right with regards to this show's illogical, unreasonable, ignorant plotting.

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On 1/16/2019 at 11:32 PM, Moose135 said:

The airport scenes from this episode were shot at Republic Airport, in Farmingdale on Long Island. 

Great post Moose125!  You gave me an idea for an article. In it I make reference to your post, and offer side by side comparisons between the way the Charlie gate scene appeared in the episode and how it appears in real life (using Google Street View).  It's too much to show here, so I will provide a link to it.  https://manifest828.com/2019/01/19/manifest-se-1-ep-11-behind-the-scenes-at-republic-airport-on-long-island/

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I just don’t get this they all blame the pilot crap. The plane went missing for five years, no one aged, and no one knows were they were, etc. how in the world could anyone believe that it was somehow the fault of the pilot?!!?!?

I find the whole thing bizarre.  This situation wasn't a crash or accident.  They time traveled!  Unless the twist is that the pilot is a wizard, the idea he is being "blamed" for a supernatural event is just strange. 

I do secretly hope the season ends with the pilot suddenly returning from the future telling Ben and Grace that something has to be done about their kids. 

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19 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I find the whole thing bizarre.  This situation wasn't a crash or accident.  They time traveled!  Unless the twist is that the pilot is a wizard, the idea he is being "blamed" for a supernatural event is just strange. 

I do secretly hope the season ends with the pilot suddenly returning from the future telling Ben and Grace that something has to be done about their kids. 

And I hope the pilot returns to tell Ben that no one out in TV Land in the future gives a freak about Ben and his soap opera loser of a stupid family and that The Pilot & Fiona (great name for a group) are taking over as the stars of Season 2.

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5 hours ago, green said:

I do secretly hope the season ends with the pilot suddenly returning from the future telling Ben and Grace that something has to be done about their kids. 

That is funny! I like that.  But I have a slightly different theory of what might happen. I think it has less to do with Back to the Future (although time travel is definitely in the mix), but more to do with Ground Hog Day.  Rather than copy everything into this post, allow me to give a link to my article.  

Manifest: An explanation of why the plane exploded and what season 2 might look like

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So, if the gov't was guilty of making the plane disappear the first time, could the captain and fiona have a chance at remembering it all since they did it on their own when they come back?

Cal is starting to give me a Carl from the Walking Dead vibe.  They couldn't keep track of him when he was young either.

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On 1/16/2019 at 8:32 PM, Moose135 said:

Please forgive me if I geek out for a moment over this week's episode. 

Nothing to forgive for me.  This was cool.

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