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On 3/30/2019 at 12:27 PM, AnnA said:

I thought Bobby wanted a more modern house and not necessarily a younger hipper neighborhood.  I don't see either Bobby or Josh wanting to live somewhere because their neighbors are young with children.    I think it's more about the style of houses in an area.     

Yeah, I thought Bobby meant his preference for modern architecture more so than living in a younger, hipper neighborhood. 

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On 3/31/2019 at 2:27 PM, geauxaway said:

Flagg had some major pit stains in the opening sequence. 😬

On 3/31/2019 at 3:05 PM, Sterling said:

I noticed everything you're saying!  I'm wondering if Flagg is trying to use some natural deodorant, rather than an anti-perspirant.  That was awful, and I'd be so embarrassed if I saw that on myself later.

How people dress is so much more casual. I don't think he was wearing an undershirt or underarm shields. Those are just things that would ever occur to someone his age. Even when you go shopping at super high end retailers, the sales people at those places don't recommend these types of items. I'd say that even through the early 90s, they still did, but they don't now. I think Flagg didn't know how to prevent the pit sweat stains.

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On 3/31/2019 at 3:27 PM, geauxaway said:

Flagg had some major pit stains in the opening sequence. 😬

Is it realistic that this Dubai developer would be that open to putting an American female as the agent?   He seemed pretty traditional.  But then again, what do I know. 

That Atlantis building looks like a half played game of Jenga.

I thought the Dubai developer was sent over from Central Casting.

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Isn’t Tracy’s dad like some billionaire builder?   I don’t care enough to google it, not do I expect anyone else to. If you know it, please share. I think the Atlantis developer is using her for her dads contacts. 

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On 3/31/2019 at 3:05 PM, Sterling said:

Plus, a huge draw to Dubai is the world class shopping, which is such a female endeavor.  It seems like he likes Tracy and her sense of style.

Then I hope Tracy was able visit some of those stores, because the pants she wore during the Atlantis model walk-through looked like a pair of Depends mated with my 1984 gym shorts and moved to Forever 21.

(Note: I'm currently wearing sweatpants from ShopKo, but they probably several thousand $$ less than Tracy's pants)

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On 3/26/2019 at 4:34 PM, CrazyInAlabama said:

A few thoughts on the final show of the year.

1. The Altman-Flagg co-listing in the end won't work if they do get the listing.

2. The more I see Altman the less I like him.

3. I've never been a Tracy fan but she has nailed the Dubai project. It remains to be seen however how well she does.

4. Did't miss the Brits.

5. Flagg is an asshole with Bobby. Not sure why Bobby doesn't tell Flagg to get lost. Flagg when it comes to compromise with Bobby doesn't have a clue. This observation  coming from someone who will celebrate 50 years of being married to the same person next January. And it's all about compromise. And I also earned a very good living in business because I knew the art of the compromise. And Flagg doesn't have a clue.

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19 hours ago, CaptainCranky said:

A few thoughts on the final show of the year.

1. The Altman-Flagg co-listing in the end won't work if they do get the listing.

2. The more I see Altman the less I like him.

3. I've never been a Tracy fan but she has nailed the Dubai project. It remains to be seen however how well she does.

4. Did't miss the Brits.

5. Flagg is an asshole with Bobby. Not sure why Bobby doesn't tell Flagg to get lost. Flagg when it comes to compromise with Bobby doesn't have a clue. This observation  coming from someone who will celebrate 50 years of being married to the same person next January. And it's all about compromise. And I also earned a very good living in business because I knew the art of the compromise. And Flagg doesn't have a clue.

Such great points that we should look at them one at a time:

1.  I think we can all agree with you that the Flagg/Altman pairing will provide plenty of (scripted) drama.  

2.  Okay, Altman.  We know you didn't come from big money like Flagg or Madison, and you had to work harder.  We get it.  You can calm down a bit, now.

3.  Tracy seems very sharp, and she deserves her success.  But I keep thinking about only a few episodes back, her biggest problem was that her career was keeping her from spending time with her girls.  Are we all just supposed to forget about that?

4.  One thing I will say about the Brits.  The other players have a "been there, done that" type of attitude toward the huge deals.  The Brits seem to have maintained this attitude of,  "This is amazing!  Can you believe the huge deals happening in this town!"

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1 hour ago, TheLastKidPicked said:

Such great points that we should look at them one at a time:

1.  I think we can all agree with you that the Flagg/Altman pairing will provide plenty of (scripted) drama.  

2.  Okay, Altman.  We know you didn't come from big money like Flagg or Madison, and you had to work harder.  We get it.  You can calm down a bit, now.

3.  Tracy seems very sharp, and she deserves her success.  But I keep thinking about only a few episodes back, her biggest problem was that her career was keeping her from spending time with her girls.  Are we all just supposed to forget about that?

4.  One thing I will say about the Brits.  The other players have a "been there, done that" type of attitude toward the huge deals.  The Brits seem to have maintained this attitude of,  "This is amazing!  Can you believe the huge deals happening in this town!"

I actually like the Brits. They seem genuinely invested in their families and one of them (can’t remember their names) you can tell doesn’t like the fake BS and is actually reasonable and apologizes. And you’re right, they seem more interested in the real estate than the others at this point. 

As for Flagg and Altman, there will be some lame, scripted, “funny” disagreements (they’re both horrible actors that the idea of both of them doing their bits at the same time is cringe-worthy). In the end they’ll sell to the first bidder for millions below asking and then gloat about how great they are. 

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21 hours ago, Stan39 said:

I actually like the Brits. They seem genuinely invested in their families and one of them (can’t remember their names) you can tell doesn’t like the fake BS and is actually reasonable and apologizes. And you’re right, they seem more interested in the real estate than the others at this point. 

When I first started watching the show again the Brits seemed needy. Now other than Flagg they are enjoyable to watch. After watching I think it was David putting up with the BS of Kelly Rowland I think they genuinely care about their clients.

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On 3/3/2019 at 1:42 PM, geauxaway said:

When was the last time anyone occupied that Bunny Hutch?  The carpets were disgusting!!!!  I mean, the decor was outdated, which whatever, but I couldn’t get over all the stains on the floors.  Obviously it’s a tear down, but EW!

Way back when, on Girls Next Door, they showed this property and supposedly Holly Madison was giving it a makeover.  I think they had people living in it then, but, not 100% sure. 

On 3/23/2019 at 8:14 PM, walnutqueen said:

Although I admire Josh's alleged willingness to compromise with Bobby's aesthetic, I really want Josh to find a fabulous old home and restore it to it's former glory.  He was born to putter around vintage L.A. - the soul of an 85 year old grandmother, in the body of a 26 year old.

I would 100% watch a show where Josh rehabs old homes and restores them.  In fact, this would be awesome.  He should do this.  

On 3/26/2019 at 10:52 AM, TheLastKidPicked said:

As a car guy, I really enjoyed watching Altman on the hunt for this property.

Think of it like this:  You have a collection of very high end cars.  You have to walk a fine line between your collection being convenient for you to have friends over, and yet private enough that prying eyes don't stumble across your valuable (and vulnerable) collection.

I've had this happen in real life a few times now where I've become friends with a person, and after a while they say,  "Come on over to the house-- I have something to show you."  And BAM!  There is the Shangri-La. 

Knowing this, it was fun to watch Altman and all of his contacts say the same thing,  "I know every high end home around here, and I've never heard of this property."

When I was watching this storyline, the thing that kept running through my head was "Is Malibu the best place for these cars?" I feel like every year we hear about major fires, mudslides and other disasters and it just seems like such a risky place to have such a large amount of money tied up in assets you wouldn't be able to evacuate quickly.  

On another note, the rental property that Josh and Bobby are living in, does anyone recognize it?  A year or so ago I remember reading an article about an artist's estate that was coming onto the market that hadn't been available for years and that the décor was . . . eccentric.  There were pictures, and little pieces of what I saw in the show reminded me of that article.  Of course, I can't remember where I saw the article and can't find any info on their rental, so I'm hoping someone who has a better memory for this stuff than I do might be able to help me sort this out.

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2 hours ago, smores said:

When I was watching this storyline, the thing that kept running through my head was "Is Malibu the best place for these cars?"

Malibu has 100's of miles of some of the best driving roads in CA. I used to lead group drives every weekend carving out some fun routes. It would be a dream to have such easy access with those cars. The dangers of fire and mud slides do exist but they aren't that common. Both have some preventable measures you could do as a home owner. The big wtf is still with that tiny 1bed house attached. 

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I call producer shenanigans on the Fredrik confrontation with Josh.    Fredrik has had a team in L.A. for a long time, and isn't a newcomer to L.A.      Fredrik just had a meeting with his L.A. team, and said he's been building that group for over 5 years.   

He's always sold internationally, and in several U.S. cities, so the drama is just for the show.     If I was rich enough to ever own a big L.A. estate, my agent would be Fredrik.     

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45 minutes ago, lynxfx said:

Any chance we are getting another season? Haven't seen any new info. 

The new season starts in a couple weeks.  Bravo has been running the promos.

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5 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

The new season starts in a couple weeks.  Bravo has been running the promos.

Thanks! I don't have regular tv anymore so wouldn't see promos unless they were on the web. 

Looking forward to it as Selling Sunset just isn't the same. 

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I suspect Fredrik will be on both LA, and NY versions.  He's had a team in LA for a few years, and still commutes to other locations he sells real estate in.   I wish they would just show real estate, and quit with the made up feuds, and other personal stuff.   I'm looking forward to some of Fredrik's listings, because they're always very luxurious.  

I don't think Fredrik will be on every episode, since he's listed as having a cameo on the show, but I can hope they show some of his listings. 

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42 minutes ago, lynxfx said:

Thanks! I don't have regular tv anymore so wouldn't see promos unless they were on the web. 

Looking forward to it as Selling Sunset just isn't the same. 

6/16!  I’m watching Dirty John and they just showed a commercial for it.  I am excited for MDLLA, too!  

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I can't wait for this show to come back on Tuesday!   

Especially since I'm watching the MDL-San Francisco reruns.    The LA and NYC version are so interesting.    The SF version is a total snooze.  

I loved last night's new episode.   The Razor house in La Jolla was amazing.   I liked the L.A. house on the hillside, and I'm glad it sold.   I like that they took a little while to explain the changing market conditions, and have to laugh at Altman and Flagg co-listing.  The road trip to La Jolla was hysterical.  

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The Razor House was gorgeous but I was surprised it was only 11,500 square feet bc it looked so much bigger from the aerial shots. Don't get me wrong - that's still 10x larger than anything I've ever owned!

I'm looking forward to seeing the agents having to hustle this season: 

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Exhibit A - Razor House originally listed for $30 million, selling for $21 million in 2019. 

 

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Something I've been wondering about when sellers are weighing offers and the agent says one is 'all cash...' As opposed to what? 50% cash and the rest in magic beans and livestock? Or does this mean people aren't going through financial institutions and able to reach under their mattresses for the money? 

 

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40 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Something I've been wondering about when sellers are weighing offers and the agent says one is 'all cash...' As opposed to what? 50% cash and the rest in magic beans and livestock? Or does this mean people aren't going through financial institutions and able to reach under their mattresses for the money? 

Yes, tht's exactly it.

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All cash (I sold a house once that way, they were investors and bought several to have a rental property portfolio) is preferred because there is no requirement for mortgage qualification, no appraisal, unless the buyer wants one.   They still get the usual inspections, if they want them.   It's also much quicker, no waiting for mortgage approval, waiting for the appraisal, and waiting for the lending disclosures for the closing.     It can be done in a few days.

Some people do have a lot of cash, and want to invest it.   An inheritance, a settlement from something, they just sold a property at a huge profit, or other reasons.   

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3 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

All cash (I sold a house once that way, they were investors and bought several to have a rental property portfolio) is preferred because there is no requirement for mortgage qualification, no appraisal, unless the buyer wants one.   They still get the usual inspections, if they want them.   It's also much quicker, no waiting for mortgage approval, waiting for the appraisal, and waiting for the lending disclosures for the closing.     It can be done in a few days.

Some people do have a lot of cash, and want to invest it.   An inheritance, a settlement from something, they just sold a property at a huge profit, or other reasons.   

Yup. And most of these all cash luxury homes are being bought by foreigners looking to park their money somewhere. It’s crazy to think that some of the biggest and most expensive houses in the world literally sit empty for years. 

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Thanks, although I really thought magic beans and livestock had potential 😂😂

 

 

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3 hours ago, QQQQ said:

I'm looking forward to seeing the agents having to hustle this season: 

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Exhibit A - Razor House originally listed for $30 million, selling for $21 million in 2019. 

 

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Saw an article that revealed the buyer to be Alicia Keys. 

Good start to the season. Think this first episode showed as many homes as an entire season of Selling Sunset. 

Josh and Josh working together are a fun combo. Flagg crashing the interview was a nice behind the scenes type moment. 

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Wow I'm shocked that Flagg and Altman put their past behind them and are working together.  I'm looking forward to seeing more.

That said....ugh that Razor House.  Spectacular views but such a sterile house.  I was not impressed at all.  I liked the outside of Ish and Priscillas house but I wasn't crazy about the inside.  I didn't like the small hallway upstairs and the size of the bedrooms.  The outside was beautiful.

I did like James' client Joey's house but that too seemed very narrow.

I'm looking forward to the real estate porn that is NOT the Property Brothers and I love that there's not a lot of "open concept".

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Like that the houses are a little different and unique this season instead of the same square, sterile, marble slabs. And Josh and Josh working together is great. It’s much more interesting watching them try to work together to sell a property than to “fight” and look unprofessional while doing their job. 
 

I guess we’ll never escape the “price war” with clients as an endless source of drama, though it seems even that has mellowed a bit and less of a plot point. Though, Tracy’s clients did come off looking a bit stupid when they pretended to consider walking away from Tracy’s offer. “We’re leaving in two weeks, need to sell this house, and only have this one offer, maybe we should be hard asses about it?”

And didn’t like the idea of finding clients with millions to spend on houses by handing out water bottles to 20-somethings hiking in the middle of the day and no-name community artists at an outdoor, weekend, neighborhood art show. I wouldn’t think you’re odds of finding somebody looking for a regular house would be good just randomly walking up to people like that, let alone people actually looking to buy multimillion dollar properties. 

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I thought the art show was not a great place to market.  Starving artist is probably a stereotype for a good reason.   

However, considering the number of celebrities, and rich people who use that hiking trail almost every day, that was a good idea.   

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I watch this show for the houses I will never be able to afford and mindless entertainment so it was a bit of a shock to realize Tracy's client was Ishmael Beah.  His first book made me cry and as Jon Stewart said hurt my heart.  I know there has been some controversy about it but I am still glad they were able to sell and pursue their humanitarian work.

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50 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I thought the art show was not a great place to market.  Starving artist is probably a stereotype for a good reason.   

However, considering the number of celebrities, and rich people who use that hiking trail almost every day, that was a good idea.   

I don’t know. I’ve hiked that trail. It’s mostly tourists and “actors” off shifts from bars and restaurants 

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Yay!  Show is back!  I got a little disoriented on the tour of that Razor house.  I feel like I would have gotten lost in there!  I also got a little claustrophobic at how narrow some of the hallways were and all the segmented rooms and corridors.  I mean, it was a crazy over the top mansion, don’t get me wrong!   And the garage was sick!

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Love seeing Josh and Josh work together - so much more enjoyable than their bickering. Though I wonder how much either scenario is producer driven - it would be a bit much for them to be at each other's throats as usual, and then throw Fredrick into the fray.  Whatever the reason that the 2 Joshes are now getting along, I hope it continues through the season. 

As usual, I love the views from some of these houses but hate the houses themselves. Sterile glass and concrete boxes are so boring. I hope we see at least a few of the old Hollywood type mansions that Josh F has shown in the past. 

Has Tracy always dressed this badly, or did I just never notice before? Those two long skirts that sat just below her bust line were horrendous. And the first one - the leather/pleather skirt paired with the ill fitting yellow turtle neck? Either she has a stylist that hates her, or she doesn't have a stylist or a mirror. 

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I did not like Janes clients house. It was so narrow and you basically walk out into the pool. And boohoo you can’t just demo the house and build another sterile box.

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5 hours ago, Stan39 said:

I don’t know. I’ve hiked that trail. It’s mostly tourists and “actors” off shifts from bars and restaurants 

So, producer shenanigans again.    I thought the art show was ridiculous, especially when the buyers turned out to be in the entertainment industry, and nothing to do with art shows.    However, I do think putting the address on the water bottles was interesting.  

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9 hours ago, geauxaway said:

Yay!  Show is back!  I got a little disoriented on the tour of that Razor house.  I feel like I would have gotten lost in there!  I also got a little claustrophobic at how narrow some of the hallways were and all the segmented rooms and corridors.  I mean, it was a crazy over the top mansion, don’t get me wrong!   And the garage was sick!

I’ll admit the Razor House was at least different from the usual sterile houses they sell, but there was definitely something off about it. The way the glass was hung with those Batman-esque suction cup thingies and the fake books, it seemed like a museum or art gallery, not someplace to live. And were we supposed to be impressed by the lights in the floor with holes in the carpet?

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13 hours ago, NYGirl said:

I did like James' client Joey's house but that too seemed very narrow.

yes that was a really strange feel-- like it was only half of a living room

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10 hours ago, Grundoon59 said:

it was a bit of a shock to realize Tracy's client was Ishmael Beah. 

His book must have sold very well-- sad to say, human rights advocates don't usually make tons of money 😞 

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33 minutes ago, Stan39 said:

I’ll admit the Razor House was at least different from the usual sterile houses they sell, but there was definitely something off about it. The way the glass was hung with those Batman-esque suction cup thingies and the fake books, it seemed like a museum or art gallery, not someplace to live. And were we supposed to be impressed by the lights in the floor with holes in the carpet?

I spent a lot of time thinking about how many people you would have to employ to keep all that glass clean!

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I would love to know who cleans the bird poop off of all that glass.

1 minute ago, geauxaway said:

I spent a lot of time thinking about how many people you would have to employ to keep all that glass clean!

great minds think (simultaneously) alike

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21 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

I spent a lot of time thinking about how many people you would have to employ to keep all that glass clean!

That’s the other thing I now notice watching these shows (as I get older). I remember my dad telling me that he and my mom never had dreams of living in a big mansion, because neither would feel comfortable having so many people constantly in the house doing the work. I think I’m the same way. You’d never really have privacy because there would always be something at the house that needed cleaning, fixing, updating. 

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I can completely believe that the Razor mansion was the inspiration for the Stark Ironman mansion.

I watched this episode with my son and said I wouldn’t want to live there. As the tour continued, I said “but I’d LOVE to be quarantined there!” Now I have a new category for real estate porn.

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1 hour ago, dleighg said:

I would love to know who cleans the bird poop off of all that glass.

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Right???  I’m guessing a person who owns a house like that doesn’t have kids or pets, because forget about it.  Smudge city!  FFS, my kid is 12 and the other day I noticed a nose print on the front glass.  WHY???  🤦🏻‍♀️🤣

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Obviously the promotions in at the Art Show and at Runyon Canyon were staged for the show.

However I think that was the Beverly Hills Art Show which is a fairly major event so it wasn't your standard neighborhood event. It still was not any kind of event a three real estate agents would visit to promote in that manner. 

I live within a few blocks of Runyon Canyon and it is not just frequented by actors and tourists :-). It's actually a pretty good way to showcase a home that is in the neighborhood because you get a lot of people who live in the neighborhood who might be looking for homes. Also you get lots of people who drive specifically to Runyon who would be interested in the home. Listings in my neighborhood will generally state that are close to Runyon as being an asset.

The home itself was - at least in my opinion - over priced and not worth the money. It is exactly the kind of historic renovation I despise since it gutted every single aspect of a Craftsmen home and replaced it with generic current trendy. I realize that sometimes you can't preserve everything but you can. remodel so that it resembles the source. I just finished a remodel and gutted kitchen and baths and although they aren't slavish period recreations, they aren't the ubiquitous white cabinets with waterfall quartz island :-).

You can't just set up a table at Runyon - even if you weren't bringing in a film crew. I know this because I know people on the Board and also have done some community organizing where we set up a table to hand out literature on over-development in the area.

 

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12 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

 

Has Tracy always dressed this badly, or did I just never notice before? Those two long skirts that sat just below her bust line were horrendous. And the first one - the leather/pleather skirt paired with the ill fitting yellow turtle neck? Either she has a stylist that hates her, or she doesn't have a stylist or a mirror. 

I thought the exact same thing. High waists do her no favor. Also did we meet her new assistant? What a difference from her last one. My husband drooled every time she was on. I wonder if she is a realtor on her own now. Or if Tracy wanted to be the gorgeous one again.

4 hours ago, dleighg said:

His book must have sold very well-- sad to say, human rights advocates don't usually make tons of money 😞 

His wife is a lawyer.

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12 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Has Tracy always dressed this badly,

and I forget when she was wearing it, but it looked like some random piece of white fabric over a tight gray skirt?

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Another thing. I notice it more in LA real estate shows but maybe it’s in all luxury markets, but I wished they’d stop confusing tech features as being architectural features. The architecture of these homes can be timeless or period specific (and thus look tacky once they’re not trendy). But the technology will always become outdated and I don’t consider any built-in features to be selling points if I’m thinking of a house as an investment. I saw on another show a guy built a custom TV display that had a 70” screen TV emerge from the floor seamlessly. That’s great, but when he sells it the next buyer will want 75” or higher resolution or something that won’t work with the very specific custom TV lift he built for around 70 grand. I thought the same way about that toaster elevator or whatever. It’s too custom and too specific

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2 hours ago, amarante said:

Obviously the promotions in at the Art Show and at Runyon Canyon were staged for the show.

However I think that was the Beverly Hills Art Show which is a fairly major event so it wasn't your standard neighborhood event. It still was not any kind of event a three real estate agents would visit to promote in that manner. 

I live within a few blocks of Runyon Canyon and it is not just frequented by actors and tourists :-). It's actually a pretty good way to showcase a home that is in the neighborhood because you get a lot of people who live in the neighborhood who might be looking for homes. Also you get lots of people who drive specifically to Runyon who would be interested in the home. Listings in my neighborhood will generally state that are close to Runyon as being an asset.

The home itself was - at least in my opinion - over priced and not worth the money. It is exactly the kind of historic renovation I despise since it gutted every single aspect of a Craftsmen home and replaced it with generic current trendy. I realize that sometimes you can't preserve everything but you can. remodel so that it resembles the source. I just finished a remodel and gutted kitchen and baths and although they aren't slavish period recreations, they aren't the ubiquitous white cabinets with waterfall quartz island :-).

You can't just set up a table at Runyon - even if you weren't bringing in a film crew. I know this because I know people on the Board and also have done some community organizing where we set up a table to hand out literature on over-development in the area.

 

Maybe you’re right. And I did like the water bottles. I still just find it hard to believe you’ll really get a return on your investment by cold calling hikers in the neighborhood. Especially if the market is really as saturated as they say. You’d think most people looking for a house would already be on Zillow or something. I’m not sure two random guys handing out water outside could get me to think about buying a 3M dollar house (or whatever it cost). But LA is different. 

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2 hours ago, dleighg said:

and I forget when she was wearing it, but it looked like some random piece of white fabric over a tight gray skirt?

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That outfit was near the end I think and ugly as well. Some weirdly cut white fabric as a top with a short grey sweater over it. It's like she dresses in the dark. I also forgot the strange details of the leather/pleather skirt. It had an oddly gathered waist, and a long belt that I thought for sure Tracy was going to trip on. 

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1 minute ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I also forgot the strange details of the leather/pleather skirt. It had an oddly gathered waist,

yes that one looked like she had unbuckled the waist (as if she ate too much for lunch and had to "make some room.") Of course it was only a glimpse but that was the impression it gave me.

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