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On 5/6/2021 at 4:19 AM, Bastet said:

Every time I watch "Party Foul" (which I just watched a few minutes of, because it was one of the scenes that pisses me off and I wasn't in the mood), I am surprised anew by how much I came to like Patrice, because she gets my blood boiling in her first episode.  She's not the only one, but damn.

"I know a troubled kid when I see one."  Except apparently, the one living in your house.

"He's a crazy boy who couldn't take no for an answer."  Oh, you mean like your granddaughter who stabbed her boyfriend to death when he kindly and respectfully broke up with her?

Goddamn, the willful blindness not to see that everything she (rightly) accuses Wesley of applies to Keisha as well (except Wesley didn't, you know, kill Keisha when she only wanted to be friends).

And the audacity, to say Keisha shouldn't have to go to prison, because her uncontrolled temper means she's going to get her ass beat.  Gee, Patrice, maybe you should have gotten her some help sometime in the past 19 years so she could manage her anger.  You were a fucking ER nurse; ask the psych attending for a list of therapists specializing in troubled kids.

I hate that the squad goes along with this crap to make a deal.  "The court will never let her plead insanity."  Yeah, because she isn't!  She is guilty of second degree murder, and, under the law, her mental capacity means she belongs in prison rather than a mental institution.

Do I think she'll come out of a mental institution better than she'd come out of prison?  Of course; I'm not mad at the result, I'm mad at how they got there -- on a show that generally sticks to reality, this is written in a way that really distorts being colloquially "crazy" versus mentally ill and when, legally, mental illness means one is hospitalized rather than incarcerated.

There are a disgraceful number of mentally ill people who committed a crime because of that illness, suffering in prisons across America instead of being treated and then released if/when that illness is controlled so they are no longer a danger because of it.  Acting as if someone like Keisha can easily avoid prison, when those folks can't, is aggravating.

This is so interesting, thank you for posting it! 

Wouldn't Keisha be transferred to a prison after a mental institution deemed her "cured"? I realize cured isn't the right word, but after completing treatment, would she be expected to serve the rest of her term in prison?  

 

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1 minute ago, TrixieTrue said:

Wouldn't Keisha be transferred to a prison after a mental institution deemed her "cured"? I realize cured isn't the right word, but after completing treatment, would she be expected to serve the rest of her term in prison?  

No, the deal is to serve her time* in a mental institution.  She will stay there until her sentence is up, but could qualify for conditional release earlier depending on circumstances (just like from prison).

*We don't know how long they ultimately agree to; the lawyers are still in her room hashing it out but we're in the waiting room with Provenza and Patrice.

Ugh, I get angry again just thinking about this episode.  Patrice knows from the beginning Keisha may have done it, but she hands Wesley over as a scapegoat, and then just shrugs, "You thought it was a murder," when Provenza confronts her about it.

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16 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Ugh, I get angry again just thinking about this episode.  Patrice knows from the beginning Keisha may have done it, but she hands Wesley over as a scapegoat, and then just shrugs, "You thought it was a murder," when Provenza confronts her about it

So is the character of Patrice retconned thereafter (presumably because TPTB saw on screen chemistry between the characters of Patrice and Provenza) or should we just excuse her behavior because she assumed Wesley would be found innocent?

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3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

So is the character of Patrice retconned thereafter (presumably because TPTB saw on screen chemistry between the characters of Patrice and Provenza) or should we just excuse her behavior because she assumed Wesley would be found innocent?

They didn't know how long they'd keep her around, so the character does change some later - but mostly that, unlike in her first two episodes, she has family she spends time with - but it plays to me like the writers don't even realize just how poorly she's behaving.  She's written as breaking down in the end, when Provenza says, "Whatever happened here, I know that you did the best you could," and she starts crying and asks, "Did I?"  (Here's a hint, Patrice: NO.)

So she has a realization after the fact, but I never feel like the scope of what happened is acknowledged.  A 19-year-old kid with a bright future ahead of him was murdered for doing absolutely nothing wrong (and his family is going to learn his killer won't go to prison for it), an 18-year-old kid was arrested for a murder he didn't commit, another 19-year-old kid is going to spend some of the best years of her life in an institution, and ALL of this could have been avoided if Patrice had recognized the problems in her own family instead of telling other parents they had a troubled kid on their hands.

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I hated the last season in part because of all the multi episode arcs. There were just too many characters to keep track of.

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2 hours ago, MaryMitch said:

I hated the last season in part because of all the multi episode arcs. There were just too many characters to keep track of.

Me too. I was on chemotherapy and recovering from surgery when they started that in season 5. It was a blur. Maybe I should binge one of those multi-episode arcs to see if I feel any differently about it, but I don't think I'm going to.

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5 hours ago, MaryMitch said:

I hated the last season in part because of all the multi episode arcs. There were just too many characters to keep track of.

Same, I prefer the predominantly single ep storylines, maybe an occasional two parter. I do like the British style of one full season being one story, but for some reason these multi multi episode arcs don't work for me. 

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I don't mind them - other than resenting that, with more time to tell the crime story and thus more time to throw in some personal information about the squad members, the same majority percentage of personal storyline time went to Rusty, Rusty, Rusty - but didn't like the entire final season being a series of three multi-episode arcs.  I liked the first two individually (other than, ya know, Sharon dying at the end of the second one), but those things work better as exceptions to the rule rather than back-to-back.  (Of course, that was TNT's requirement, not Duff's choice.)

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It's been a few years and I'm still pissed that they killed Sharon off and not even in the final episode. I admit to not watching the episodes after that all the way. I FF'd through most of them especially the last two mainly because of how much they focused on Rusty's annoying ass. 

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I'm off today, and have been doing a whole lot of nothing, including watching part of "Thick as Thieves" on StartTV.  Trials on TV always irritate me with their inaccuracies, and Slider's is no exception, but I try to let things go - like a death penalty case lasting a few days (especially irksome since they weren't totally out there with the time between arrest and trial like most shows are).  But there's a continuity error that annoys me:

Andrea refers to Bug's testimony (which we didn't see), in which she described watching Slider "as he started drowning Marianna Wallace in a swimming pool" and how the victim was "held underwater for over a minute".  Except there's no way she said any of that.  (Unless Andrea suborned perjury, which they certainly don't intend for us to infer.)

Bug ran back inside when "Alice" fell as Slider was chasing her, so before he even rolled her into the pool and certainly before he held her under when she yelled at him for trashing her phone.  Bug later saw him take money out of Marianna's pocket, and she helped him pawn the stolen items from the house after he put the body - which she wouldn't touch - in his trunk.  She knows he killed her.  But didn't see it.  It's one of the reasons Andrea was initially willing to offer Slider a deal.

Grrr.  With a year and a half between episodes, I don't expect the average viewer to remember.  I would like it if the writers did, however.

Of course, it's possible they did remember, but didn't care since they just wanted a shortcut to setting up Andy's dramatic demonstration of how long a minute is.  But that brings me to another annoyance, because Andrea would have asked the "Is that enough time to kill someone?" question of Dr. Morales, not Andy.  (In real life, if she had asked Andy, Slider's lawyer would have objected and it would have been sustained.)

I know, this is the kind of stuff that only bugs lawyers; it's one of the many reasons I don't watch most crime dramas.  But this show is typically better about that stuff than most, so it disappoints me when the writers get lazy.

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On 5/9/2021 at 11:39 PM, Jaded said:

It's been a few years and I'm still pissed that they killed Sharon off and not even in the final episode. I admit to not watching the episodes after that all the way. I FF'd through most of them especially the last two mainly because of how much they focused on Rusty's annoying ass. 

If they hadn't killed off Sharon Rusty could not have killed Stroh and that was the endgame. It had to happen.

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I'm a year into watching this show (randomly) since Start TV added it. I finally saw the final arc this week - it was really silly and overblown, but watchable (once). However when I get around to watching the whole series in order I will cut it off with Sharon's funeral scene. Dylan was annoying AF (who cares about him and his underage girlfriend?), Emma's death was lifted from Friday the 13th, the body count was ridiculous (and none of them mattered anyway), the veteran characters were mostly kicked to the curb, and Rusty gets away with murder? That scene just didn't work at all. Some good moments here and there, but not enough to sit through again. 

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1 hour ago, 71dude said:

I'm a year into watching this show (randomly) since Start TV added it. I finally saw the final arc this week - it was really silly and overblown, but watchable (once). However when I get around to watching the whole series in order I will cut it off with Sharon's funeral scene. Dylan was annoying AF (who cares about him and his underage girlfriend?), Emma's death was lifted from Friday the 13th, the body count was ridiculous (and none of them mattered anyway), the veteran characters were mostly kicked to the curb, and Rusty gets away with murder? That scene just didn't work at all. Some good moments here and there, but not enough to sit through again. 

@71dude, a lot of us (probably most) share this opinion of the end of the series.

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15 hours ago, 71dude said:

I'm a year into watching this show (randomly) since Start TV added it. I finally saw the final arc this week - it was really silly and overblown, but watchable (once). However when I get around to watching the whole series in order I will cut it off with Sharon's funeral scene. Dylan was annoying AF (who cares about him and his underage girlfriend?), Emma's death was lifted from Friday the 13th, the body count was ridiculous (and none of them mattered anyway), the veteran characters were mostly kicked to the curb, and Rusty gets away with murder? That scene just didn't work at all. Some good moments here and there, but not enough to sit through again. 

Honestly, if I'm rewatching, or just happen to catch some on tv, I won't even bother with the last season. Like you said, silly, overblown, annoying, ridiculous and ultimately infuriating. I mean, come on, they killed off Sharon!!!😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠

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