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In my view, Spider-Man movies are geared slightly more towards kids than the other MCU movies are; so they need to keep the plots less complicated (if that really is their intentional target audience, I could be wrong).  I don't see the movie working very well if it's too complex with multi-verses and time travel and 8 different Spider-Men... Those plots would work much better with Dr. Strange or a new set of characters.

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8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And the SHEER AWESOMENESS of seeing Thor's Eye go all lightning blue and his whole body shimmering with same before he pounds on Hulk with, again, that awesome song "Immigrant" playing

They really missed the opportunity to use that song again when Thor, Rocket, and Groot made their big entrance on the battlefield in Infinity War. Yeah yeah I know people on the internet spliced in that song in the clip but it would have been an AMAZING callback in the actual movie.

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1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Blade and Punisher should be Rated R but, I'm not going to throw a fit over PG-13 vs R. To be honest it doesn't mean much to me as long as the story and acting is good

Yea it should be. The nice thing about R rating is that you can show violence with consequences, instead of the sanitized violence you usually get in Marvel movies. The first season of Daredevil was probably the closest thing to am R rated MCU products we will ever get. So when he would punch people you would actually see blood and broken bones. But I don't see a MCU movie ever happening, especially with the budgets of those movies.

10 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

They really missed the opportunity to use that song again when Thor, Rocket, and Groot made their big entrance on the battlefield in Infinity War. Yeah yeah I know people on the internet spliced in that song in the clip but it would have been an AMAZING callback in the actual movie.

Led Zeppelin are super picky about what movies they let their songs be used in. Just about every movie I have seen with a Zeppelin song usually has a story of the director or star personally asking the band.

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Unlike the vast majority of people who saw it, I wasn't that fond of the second use of "Immigrant Song" in Thor: Ragnarok, nor of the very two-dimensional videogame-y look of the fight sequence it was played over. Though the earlier big fight in Muspelheim was awesome, and its perfect use in the teaser trailer for the movie was so good I needed a cigarette afterwards.

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14 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Yea it should be. The nice thing about R rating is that you can show violence with consequences, instead of the sanitized violence you usually get in Marvel movies. The first season of Daredevil was probably the closest thing to am R rated MCU products we will ever get. So when he would punch people you would actually see blood and broken bones. But I don't see a MCU movie ever happening, especially with the budgets of those movies.

Both Deadpool movies were rated R, weren't they?  Fiege says Deadpool is in the MCU, even though we might disagree.

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As of now, Shang Chi is still set to come out in July, right? I've been jonesing for any kind of look at this movie - I'm antsy for a trailer, but could we at least get some first look images or something? I spent the summer getting to know Simu Liu via Kim's Convenience, I'm so ready for Michelle Yeoh to have an MCU role beyond a Ravager cameo in GotG2, and I've been waiting YEARS for Tony Leung Chiu-wai to be in a Hollywood movie. I get that COVID might push it back again (especially if theaters aren't ready for Black Widow in May,) but can I at least get something to hold me over until then?

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I expect the movie schedule to be pushed back again. People are getting the vaccine, which is great, but not nearly enough be immunized by May for theaters to be safe. They should just delay another six months since that’s more realistic. 

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2 hours ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Both Deadpool movies were rated R, weren't they?  Fiege says Deadpool is in the MCU, even though we might disagree.

Deadpool can be in and be outside due to its cross the wall structure. In any case was he talking about before or going ahead. If before there is the X-Men cameo scene in the second Deadpool  to consider

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1 hour ago, Raja said:

Deadpool can be in and be outside due to its cross the wall structure. In any case was he talking about before or going ahead. If before there is the X-Men cameo scene in the second Deadpool  to consider

Maybe I misunderstood the original post and they were only talking about a Daredevil movie never being made, but I thought they meant that there will never be an R-rated MCU movie.  There's a Deadpool 3 supposedly in the works, and we all know it'll be rated R.  So there will be (and have been) R-rated MCU movies, at least according to Fiege who says Deadpool is in the MCU.  That was my only point, sorry if I wasn't clear.

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46 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Maybe I misunderstood the original post and they were only talking about a Daredevil movie never being made, but I thought they meant that there will never be an R-rated MCU movie.  There's a Deadpool 3 supposedly in the works, and we all know it'll be rated R.  So there will be (and have been) R-rated MCU movies, at least according to Fiege who says Deadpool is in the MCU.  That was my only point, sorry if I wasn't clear.

I believe Fiege has indicated that Deadpool, is the exception. They plan to make Deadpool 3 R rated and, that will be in the MCU. The first 2 are clearly FOX Properties.  I would imagine that Deadpool/MCU will just throw in a 4th Wall Break to lampshade that Deadpool is in the MCU now.

I wonder if MCU Deadpool not only being a financial hit but, not dragging the MCU "name" through the mud, would change the plans for Blade? I don't know the timing or which movie comes out first. 

 

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My impression is that fairly violent movies can get a PG-13 rating if there's no sex in the mix. I bet if the new Blade movie takes it easy on the vampires lounging around in sultry outfits and holding BDSM parties, they can get away with all the blood and gore they want.

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2 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

My impression is that fairly violent movies can get a PG-13 rating if there's no sex in the mix. I bet if the new Blade movie takes it easy on the vampires lounging around in sultry outfits and holding BDSM parties, they can get away with all the blood and gore they want.

I think blood splatter is also a break point for the American ratings board.

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22 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

My impression is that fairly violent movies can get a PG-13 rating if there's no sex in the mix. I bet if the new Blade movie takes it easy on the vampires lounging around in sultry outfits and holding BDSM parties, they can get away with all the blood and gore they want.

It's showing blood that is the big no-no. PG-13 is allowed one F-Bomb but no nudity. However, for the "fans" assuming it's the same as Deadpool, they want to see the blood. I just checked and Blade (1998) was R Rated. I really do think Blade should be an R but, I'll be OK if it isn't as long as the movie is good.

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1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I believe Fiege has indicated that Deadpool, is the exception. They plan to make Deadpool 3 R rated and, that will be in the MCU. The first 2 are clearly FOX Properties.  I would imagine that Deadpool/MCU will just throw in a 4th Wall Break to lampshade that Deadpool is in the MCU now.

I wonder if MCU Deadpool not only being a financial hit but, not dragging the MCU "name" through the mud, would change the plans for Blade? I don't know the timing or which movie comes out first. 

 

I am sure a big part of that is if Feige told Ryan Reynolds that he had to rein in the violence, language and content, Feige would probably be getting a call from Bob Iger says he needs to either work on an R rated Deadpool or work on his resume.

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Language is a BIG part of the ratings.  For example, Hamilton, as done on stage and filmed for Disney+, should be rated R if unedited.  As it is now, it's PG-13 on Disney+ because Lin Manuel Miranda had to give up two places where the F-word is used.  (I personally think that he gave up all three, because the movie version still sounds edited to me, but he claimed on Twitter that they let him have one and he gave up two.)  And Hamilton has no nudity, sex, blood, or even real violence to speak of.  Language is only a "big deal" to Americans, too... but that's a rant for a different day. 

I'm pretty sure Ryan Reynolds said he'd walk if Deadpool 3 can't be R.  Deadpool isn't Deadpool without the foul mouth sarcasm, let alone any violence or other "adult theme."

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2 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I am sure a big part of that is if Feige told Ryan Reynolds that he had to rein in the violence, language and content, Feige would probably be getting a call from Bob Iger says he needs to either work on an R rated Deadpool or work on his resume.

In no world would Bob Iger prioritize Ryan Reynolds or Deadpool's box office over Kevin Feige and the MCU's multi-billionaire dollar cash cow. 

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26 minutes ago, JessePinkman said:

In no world would Bob Iger prioritize Ryan Reynolds or Deadpool's box office over Kevin Feige and the MCU's multi-billionaire dollar cash cow. 

Yeah. Feige already had it's the "might be fired over this" showdown over Perlmutter and he walked away with almost complete control. Unless something drastic happens or completely awful allegations emerge he's not getting a pink slip after $22.5 billion for arguing about the rating of a $1.5 billion sub franchise. 

That said, whilst I'm still really unsure about Deadpool "joining" the MCU I am glad it will still be R rated. I think they can get away with it because Deadpool is so clearly its own thing whereas projects like Daredevil, Jessica Jones and probably Blade played it/will play it much straighter and they don't want to do a "Don't your Kids MCU" at the moment. 

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Hopefully the new Blade movie will be far removed from the Wesley Snipes films.  Maybe a Blade who isn't superhuman and isn't so cold and emotionless.  And leave behind the Goyer vampire mythology.   And no Whistler.  Etc etc.

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Blade's been portrayed as superhuman in the comics in recent years (decades, really) because of the influence of the movie franchise. I imagine we'll see him fighting vampires on a level playing field, though with Mahershala Ali in the role they'd be insane to waste his talent by having him play it flat affect.

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Just for the record, Bob Iger has stepped down last year. Now Bob Chapek has his job. Though apparently Iger is still/again helping out at Disney with the operational stuff due to Covid.

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I'm putting everything in spoilers since this is a theory inspired by the most recent Wandavision episode which has been live for about six hours.

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Way back I theorized that, assuming they're meant to be in the MCU, one way we could get mutants is as a result of the Snap. Now I'm even more convinced. In today's episode of Wandavision we saw why the twins were the survivors of the experiments in Sokovia: they already had latent powers. We specifically saw Wanda's getting unlocked and, while we didn't have a scene with Pietro, we know his were unlocked as well. Agatha was baffled at how Wanda could have magic and still know nothing about spellcasting so I think this is a sign that they were really mutants. So, if proximity to a single Infinity Stone unlocked the mutant gene then it's likely that the Infinity energy from the Snap did as well. This applies to Banner and Stark too. Banner's Snap could have unlocked the mutant gene in any children born during the five years while Stark's could have unlocked the gene in the people who were returned.

 

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And now I’m rewatching Iron Man.

Just who was the idiot who had the Iraqis speaking in Hindi???? They speak Arabic and Kurdish. The closed captioning can’t make up their minds as to how to identify what Farhan Tahir’s character is speaking: they go from Urdu to Arabic to Urdu. But it’s Hindi he’s speaking: an Indian language. Urdu is a...formalized version of Hindi-they both sound similar but there are minute differences. It’s laziness. No excuse for ignorance in 2008.

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10 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And now I’m rewatching Iron Man.

Just who was the idiot who had the Iraqis speaking in Hindi???? They speak Arabic and Kurdish. The closed captioning can’t make up their minds as to how to identify what Farhan Tahir’s character is speaking: they go from Urdu to Arabic to Urdu. But it’s Hindi he’s speaking: an Indian language. Urdu is a...formalized version of Hindi-they both sound similar but there are minute differences. It’s laziness. No excuse for ignorance in 2008.

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I don't know about the subtitles being accurate or not, but the Ten Rings are stated in the film to be a multinational organization who speak a bunch of different languages. Also the middle east action in the film was set in Afghanistan, with the possible exception of the cave which never had an exact location established.

According to Tahir in this interview they were speaking Urdu as well as Hindi, Arabic, and Hugarian to avoid implicating any one group of people as the terrorists.

 

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I have a greater appreciation for Wanda and Vision’s scenes in Age of Ultron and Civil War. Vision was the only one who was really there for Wanda after Pietro’s death. 

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