Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[GHScorpiosRule]

The episode with Mo Rocca? “Contract" The sleazy producer, Freeburg (played by Jeff Garlin)? He was sooooooo based on Harvey Weinstein.

Edited July 17, 2019 by GHScorpiosRule

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, ML89 said:

And I love "In the Wee Small Hours" especially for "there they go, Ocean's 2."

Kathryn Erbe knew how to deliver a line. And I think "Wee..." was a great two-parter. Only wish the show did more episodes with both teams, whoever the other team was comprised of, be it Logan/Barek, Logan/Falacci, or Logan/Wheeler.

While I didn't care for Nichols, I'm kind of surprised the show didn't do that with him, although I guess Nichols popping up in "Loyalty" (and having Stevens introduced) in S9 unofficially counted.

I mentioned this before, but I liked the special opening used for "Wee...", too.

[ML89]

37 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Kathryn Erbe knew how to deliver a line. And I think "Wee..." was a great two-parter. Only wish the show did more episodes with both teams, whoever the other team was comprised of, be it Logan/Barek, Logan/Falacci, or Logan/Wheeler.

I would have loved more mix n match and I thought that they could have had more cross referencing - like mentioning Logan and Barek were out looking for Eames in that one where she got kidnapped. 

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, ML89 said:

I would have loved more mix n match and I thought that they could have had more cross referencing - like mentioning Logan and Barek were out looking for Eames in that one where she got kidnapped. 

Good point. But then, G/E were not mentioned when it was a Logan episode. Both ways are dumb. At least reference the opposite team.

The only time I recall that happening was in "Lady's Man" when Ross told Eames he wanted her to fill in Nichols and Wheeler about the Boz Burnham case, before Eames stopped Ross.

7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The episode with Mo Rocca? “ComtracThe sleazy producer, Freeburg (played by Jeff Garlin)? He was sooooooo based on Harvey Weinstein.

You think so? I know Weinstein had a looooooong reputation, but I thought it was kept hush hush until the last few years. Either way, I can see it!

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

You think so? I know Weinstein had a looooooong reputation, but I thought it was kept hush hush until the last few years. Either way, I can see it!

In light of his being exposed? Yes. I've read how it was an "open secret" for many, many years. I'm thinking this was someone's way exposing it. I dunno.

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

In light of his being exposed? Yes. I've read how it was an "open secret" for many, many years. I'm thinking this was someone's way exposing it. I dunno.

Hey, stranger things have happened! Although I do wonder if the movie and crime that Logan remembered about was based on some sort of real crime, since this franchise loved "ripped from the headlines", and all...

[ML89]

21 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Hey, stranger things have happened! Although I do wonder if the movie and crime that Logan remembered about was based on some sort of real crime, since this franchise loved "ripped from the headlines", and all...

That's part of the fun of seeing them again now, trying to remember the headlines they ripped from. I'd forgotten Anna Nicole Smith. Mo Rocca was probably Drudge. The Nancy Grace knockoff was in another one I just saw, with the neighborhood watch and the sex offender.

[WendyCR72]

"Lady's Man" is on. Nice to see Bobby coming alive to help Alex out since she had done so a lot. Love the scene where, in the interrogation room, Bobby puts his arm around the friend of Boz's they are questioning and says, "So it was just one woman? Several?" and when Alex rolls her eyes at the guy when he asks them to keep his ONS quiet as Bobby sort of snickers/laughs behind the guy, but then quickly looks serious when the guy goes to look at him.

Nice to see some levity.

And I know I have said this, but Raul Esparza plays smarmy psycho well.

[catlover79]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And I know I have said this, but Raul Esparza plays smarmy psycho well.

Yes, he does. He also brought the sarcasm big time when he joined SVU. Barba was one of my all-time characters in the L&O franchise - and I'm still angry at how they neutered him. 😠 But I digress...back to CI...

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, catlover79 said:

Yes, he does. He also brought the sarcasm big time when he joined SVU. Barba was one of my all-time characters in the L&O franchise - and I'm still angry at how they neutered him. 😠 But I digress...back to CI...

I call the franchise the "Dick Wolf Casting Agency" because - like with Raul Esparza, who did a guest role here then ended up as a regular SVU cast member - the guest roles seem to be a pool for Dick Wolf to use for future casting. As discussed in the Mothership thread, I saw the actor that played Eames' temporary partner in "Purgatory", when Bobby went undercover without Eames' knowledge, as a defense attorney.

Then there was the late great Jerry Orbach as defense attorney Frank Lehrman also on the Mothership in the S2 episode, "Wages of Love" (based on Betty Broderick), before popping up a season later as Lennie Briscoe.

And S. Epatha Merkerson was in a S1 Original Recipe Show episode, "Mushrooms", as a woman whose baby gets shot to death. She naturally reemerged in S4 as Anita Van Buren.

Jeremy Sisto followed Jerry Orbach's path of casting...

And Julianne Nicholson was on the one and done season of the 2006 show, Conviction (not to be confused with the more recent failed show of the same name with Hayley Atwell!), a show about young ADAs in the L&O universe. Once that show ended, she went to CI as Det. Megan Wheeler and Milena Govich went to the Mothership. Wheeler took fine; Cassady, Govich's character, left after a single season.

And Kelli Giddish guest-starred in the S7 CI episode, "Depths" (ironically on early tomorrow morning at 3:00 a.m. ET per listings on Oxygen) before going to SVU as hot-mess Amanda Rollins. (Spoke about this before, but I find it odd that Giddish's SVU character has the same exact name as Cynthia Nixon's CI character, an alcoholic Broadway producer, in the S10 episode, "Icarus". That was in 2011, just months before Giddish joined SVU, too. Wonder if there is a relative or friend and that's why the name got used twice within months? LOL!)

But all of the above is why I love the "Dick Wolf Casting Agency". LOL! In a related note, he seems to reward/remember some former cast members of his other non-L&O shows with some guest roles. Patti D'Arbanville, who was a cast member on New York Undercover (Yep, Dick Wolf was a co-creator), guest starred on Original Recipe and Criminal Intent. (Unsure if she did the trifecta?) And Lauren Velez, who was also a cast member of New York Undercover, played dirty beat cop (after being demoted from detective) Lois Melago on CI in the episode, "Purgatory", who was the former partner of fellow dirty cop, Mike Stoat, who Bobby was tasked with bringing down. Played by none other than Mayhem himself, Dean Winters, better known from SVU as Cassidy.

So Raul Esparza was part of an esteemed group.  😛

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I call the franchise the "Dick Wolf Casting Agency" because - like with Raul Esparza, who did a guest role here then ended up as a regular SVU cast member - the guest roles seem to be a pool for Dick Wolf to use for future casting. As discussed in the Mothership thread, I saw the actor that played Eames' temporary partner in "Purgatory", when Bobby went undercover without Eames' knowledge, as a defense attorney.

Then there was the late great Jerry Orbach as defense attorney Frank Lehrman also on the Mothership in the S2 episode, "Wages of Love" (based on Betty Broderick), before popping up a season later as Lennie Briscoe.

And S. Epatha Merkerson was in a S1 Original Recipe Show episode, "Mushrooms", as a woman whose baby gets shot to death. She naturally reemerged in S4 as Anita Van Buren.

Jeremy Sisto followed Jerry Orbach's path of casting...

And Julianne Nicholson was on the one and done season of the 2006 show, Conviction (not to be confused with the more recent failed show of the same name with Hayley Atwell!), a show about young ADAs in the L&O universe. Once that show ended, she went to CI as Det. Megan Wheeler and Milena Govich went to the Mothership. Wheeler took fine; Cassady, Govich's character, left after a single season.

And Kelli Giddish guest-starred in the S7 CI episode, "Depths" (ironically on early tomorrow morning at 3:00 a.m. ET per listings on Oxygen) before going to SVU as hot-mess Amanda Rollins. (Spoke about this before, but I find it odd that Giddish's SVU character has the same exact name as Cynthia Nixon's CI character, an alcoholic Broadway producer, in the S10 episode, "Icarus". That was in 2011, just months before Giddish joined SVU, too. Wonder if there is a relative or friend and that's why the name got used twice within months? LOL!)

But all of the above is why I love the "Dick Wolf Casting Agency". LOL! In a related note, he seems to reward/remember some former cast members of his other non-L&O shows with some guest roles. Patti D'Arbanville, who was a cast member on New York Undercover (Yep, Dick Wolf was a co-creator), guest starred on Original Recipe and Criminal Intent. (Unsure if she did the trifecta?) And Lauren Velez, who was also a cast member of New York Undercover, played dirty beat cop (after being demoted from detective) Lois Melago on CI in the episode, "Purgatory", who was the former partner of fellow dirty cop, Mike Stoat, who Bobby was tasked with bringing down. Played by none other than Mayhem himself, Dean Winters, better known from SVU as Cassidy.

So Raul Esparza was part of an esteemed group.  😛

AHEM!!!!!!! Aasif Mandvi was on all three, PLUS the horrid Trial By Jury. I don't recall about Conviction, because I didn't watch that.

But this show isn't the first to have revolving actors play different characters. Perry Mason did that first. Of course, Perry Mason just had the one show. But we did see some of the same actors, still living, appear in the Perry Mason movies, and some even showed up as different characters in the movies.

[ML89]

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But this show isn't the first to have revolving actors play different characters.

If you watch any of the Universal TV shows of the 70s, lots of folks ping ponged from show to show, Don Bellisario, Stephen Cannell and Glen Larson all reused people. 

[WendyCR72]

14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

AHEM!!!!!!! Aasif Mandvi was on all three, PLUS the horrid Trial By Jury. I don't recall about Conviction, because I didn't watch that.

But this show isn't the first to have revolving actors play different characters. Perry Mason did that first. Of course, Perry Mason just had the one show. But we did see some of the same actors, still living, appear in the Perry Mason movies, and some even showed up as different characters in the movies.

Oh, I know tons of shows have done this. But with the actors that kept popping up, sometimes in the franchise, it felt very...insular, I guess!

[shapeshifter]

On 7/18/2019 at 6:42 PM, catlover79 said:

On 7/18/2019 at 3:19 PM, WendyCR72 said:

And I know I have said this, but Raul Esparza plays smarmy psycho well.

Yes, he does. He also brought the sarcasm big time when he joined SVU.

From SVU 15.5:

Quote

So she made one first-timer pornographic video.
Yeah, in New Hampshire.
One of the few places you can still make porn without a condom.
[BARBA/Esparza deadpan]: Live free or die.

Just in case someone here is not familiar, "Live free or die" is the New Hampshire state motto.

Edited July 20, 2019 by shapeshifter

[Xeliou66]

I would’ve liked more crossovers between the detective pairings as well, I love In The Wee Small Hours, it was a terrific 2 part episode and it was cool to see the detectives all working together. It would’ve been nice if they did more episodes like that. Occasionally they had crossover, such as when Eames filled in for Wheeler as Nichols partner in the final 2 episodes of season 8 or when she worked with Wheeler in Renewal, but I would’ve liked more of it. I also wish CI had had crossovers with characters from the Mothership or SVU on occasion.

Edited July 20, 2019 by Xeliou66

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

but I would’ve liked more of it. I also wish CI had had crossovers with characters from the Mothership or SVU on occasion.

Yeah, I agree here. The only such instances I recall were all the way back in freaking Season 1 with Lewin, Van Buren, Briscoe, and Green all making an appearance. There was Branch in S5 in "Wee", ironically. And a McCoy mention in S8. Other than that, Wolf seemed to keep the show on its own island.

Oh, right. Olivet also popped up to chat with Logan in S5. But my overall point stands!

[Xeliou66]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, I agree here. The only such instances I recall were all the way back in freaking Season 1 with Lewin, Van Buren, Briscoe, and Green all making an appearance. There was Branch in S5 in "Wee", ironically. And a McCoy mention in S8. Other than that, Wolf seemed to keep the show on its own island.

Oh, right. Olivet also popped up to chat with Logan in S5. But my overall point stands!

Skoda also appeared in Crazy in season 1 and in a deleted scene in Tomorrow in season 2. And of course there was ME Rodgers, who was a prominent recurring character on both the Mothership and CI. But yeah I would’ve liked more crossovers, I wish that McCoy had appeared on CI at some point and I wish there had been some crossover with SVU at some point.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

Skoda also appeared in Crazy in season 1 and in a deleted scene in Tomorrow in season 2. And of course there was ME Rodgers, who was a prominent recurring character on both the Mothership and CI. But yeah I would’ve liked more crossovers, I wish that McCoy had appeared on CI at some point and I wish there had been some crossover with SVU at some point.

As was said in the prior forum, I saw some rumor that some three-way crossover between the Mothership, SVU, and CI was supposed to happen not long after CI debuted, but 9/11 put the kibosh on it for whatever reason. (I recall CI was originally supposed to debut that week, but subsequently started on September 30th.) Not sure if that aborted crossover is real or rumor, but I do recall reading that.

If true, if the material was too similar to the tragedy, some new story line should have taken its place, and the crossover plans should have happened. Oh, well!

[ML89]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

As was said in the prior forum, I saw some rumor that some three-way crossover between the Mothership, SVU, and CI was supposed to happen not long after CI debuted, but 9/11 put the kibosh on it for whatever reason. (I recall CI was originally supposed to debut that week, but subsequently started on September 30th.) Not sure if that aborted crossover is real or rumor, but I do recall reading that.

It was real - they were planning it at the time but it was going to be a terror plot, so they stopped. No idea why they never went back to it. 

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, ML89 said:

It was real - they were planning it at the time but it was going to be a terror plot, so they stopped. No idea why they never went back to it. 

Well, like I said, the writers could have planned something new. Wish they had.

[WendyCR72]

I see that WE is only showing the first two episodes of S10 (after cycling through all other seasons completely) on Wednesday before starting from scratch during the long Thursday/Friday marathons. For some reason, that bugs me.

We cannot skip any of painful S9, but let's skip three-quarters of a season that brought the show some much-needed new life.

Not that I dislike S1, I don't. But it's still annoying that WE always gives S10 short shrift.

[WendyCR72]

If there is anyone here that also watches the TNT show, Animal Kingdom, Vincent D'Onofrio's daughter, Leila George, is currently appearing as the younger version of Ellen Barkin's character, Janine "Smurf" Cody, in flashbacks.

[Broderbits]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

If there is anyone here that also watches the TNT show, Animal Kingdom, Vincent D'Onofrio's daughter, Leila George, is currently appearing as the younger version of Ellen Barkin's character, Janine "Smurf" Cody, in flashbacks.

Holy Cow, I never realized she was D'Onofrio's daughter!!! Although the flashbacks are kind of annoying, she's doing a great job in the part.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Broderbits said:

Holy Cow, I never realized she was D'Onofrio's daughter!!! Although the flashbacks are kind of annoying, she's doing a great job in the part.

Good for her for getting some exposure. Per IMDB, her legal last name is her dad's, so I assume she dropped it for simplicity and/or wanting to make a go of it on her own, maybe? So far, so good. 🙂 Many say she is doing great even if some do not like the flashbacks.

[WendyCR72]

Still sucks that WE skipped over S10, but I did tune in in time to see Bobby toy with Henry Talbot about being short and mentioning his size 13 shoe, so it wasn't all bad.  😉

[GHScorpiosRule]

Unlike others, I don't love season 10 as most do. Yes, it was a return to the more "classic" CI, and none of the personal issues that we got in seasons 6-8, or whatever. But for me, the first five seasons were the BEST. Six was okay, even if Logan had been back, which I love, it's the destruction Goren that I hate. And it started around season six, I think. Or how Eames seems to passive-aggressively blame Bobby for her being passed over, like at the end of "Smile" when Bobby asks her, and she takes this deep breath and says it's too late or doesn't matter anymore. Or whatever she said.

And I wasn't a fan of having to see practically every session with his shrink in the final season.

Though I won't lie and admit I was glad when Ross bought it. Hated that motherfucker.

So I'm loving the early seasons; just like I was thrilled with the early seasons of the mothership being aired until Sundance got all wonky. And I don't have WE or WGN America anymore, and as much as I love ION, they also started with season-fucking-13.

I can't wait for "Shandeh" to air. That's one of my favorites. And Linda Lavin was just AWESOME. And who thought Ned Eisenberg could play a whipped weenie/wuss so well? I'm so used to him being the arrogant ass whose face I'd like to punch. Repeatedly.

And of course the wonderful, wonderful Viola Davis in "Badge."

Those two are probably already in my DVR queue, but I've been binging on early seasons of Charmed the past two weeks. I'll have to catch up this weekend.

[Xeliou66]

The first 5 seasons were definitely the best IMO. Season 6 was just the worst, it was when the show turned into a pure soap opera, it was so stupid to tamper with the formula of the show since it was brilliant from seasons 1-5. 

I HATED Ross as well, and I didn’t get why everyone was upset when he bit the dust, he treated the detectives like shit and was an arrogant, condescending bastard, I was happy when he got whacked. But what a convoluted mess the whole plot of Ross’ murder was.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Xeliou66

[WendyCR72]

I think part of the problem was Ross being played by a "name", so he did a hell of a lot more than a real captain would do, like sitting in on interrogations, undercover jobs, etc. I much preferred Deakins and, yeah, even Joe Hannah. But then, I did really like S10. It just seemed not just more like the classic formula, but there was an upbeat vibe that was missing in the middle seasons.

And Hannah interacted with G/E but had limits. He acted like Deakins, a sounding board, someone to guide G/E in direction, and left them to it and trusted them. He acted like an adult who counted on his subordinates to do what needed doing, instead of "helicoptering" and second-guessing everything they did, like Ross seemed to do.

(I don't even really count Zoe Callas in S9 in terms of the show's captains because she was so beige and just there to make quips and pick up files. A shame, because Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was a good actress. Also a bit ironic because, like Bogosian, she was sort of a "name" herself, yet unlike Bogosian, her talents were wasted. Someone made a point somewhere of saying how it was odd to watch Callas, because she looked like Kathryn Erbe features wise with a curly wig. I guess they do have a similar look. Maybe she should have been a relative of Alex's when she was on the show, instead! Too young to be her mom, as there is only seven years' difference. Maybe a cousin? Whatever.)

And @GHScorpiosRule, I have seen Ned Eisenberg on the Mothership doing the smarmy lawyer bit and agree that he played the whipped mama's boy quite well.

[WendyCR72]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Or how Eames seems to passive-aggressively blame Bobby for her being passed over, like at the end of "Smile" when Bobby asks her, and she takes this deep breath and says it's too late or doesn't matter anymore. Or whatever she said.

True, but she must have come to terms on her own since she had the opportunity to be captain and ditched it for loyalty to Bobby, so in the end, it was the truth.

[wknt3]

21 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

(I don't even really count Zoe Callas in S9 in terms of the show's captains because she was so beige and just there to make quips and pick up files. A shame, because Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was a good actress. Also a bit ironic because, like Bogosian, she was sort of a "name" herself, yet unlike Bogosian, her talents were wasted. Someone made a point somewhere of saying how it was odd to watch Callas, because she looked like Kathryn Erbe features wise with a curly wig. I guess they do have a similar look. Maybe she should have been a relative of Alex's when she was on the show, instead! Too young to be her mom, as there is only seven years' difference. Maybe a cousin? Whatever.)

Yeah S9 was such a mess in terms of chaos behind the scenes that I don't think any new character would have been well served regardless of who played them. As shown by Saffron Burrows being largely wasted. As far as the age difference is concerned Len Cariou plays Tom Selleck's dad over on Blue Bloods even though he is only 5 years older...

[WendyCR72]

47 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

Yeah S9 was such a mess in terms of chaos behind the scenes that I don't think any new character would have been well served regardless of who played them. As shown by Saffron Burrows being largely wasted. As far as the age difference is concerned Len Cariou plays Tom Selleck's dad over on Blue Bloods even though he is only 5 years older...

Wow, never knew that regarding Blue Bloods. I thought only soaps disregarded ages. LOL! So yeah, I guess MEM could have played KE's mother then! Or aunt. Or cousin. The way Alex talked, it seems like there were a billion Eames relatives skulking around.  😛

[WendyCR72]

I see in the listings that one of the three episodes on Oxygen in the early morning tomorrow is "Contract". I never bought the passenger living and basically being okay enough to talk, with just a bit of hearing loss!

I would think he would have gone boom with ol' T.K./Mo Rocca.

[WendyCR72]

On 7/26/2019 at 8:22 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can't wait for "Shandeh" to air. That's one of my favorites.

Damn, it's on WE tomorrow morning. I forgot you don't get that channel anymore.

[Xeliou66]

A plot hole that I noticed today in Best Defense: when they suspected Linda of being the mastermind, they said that Linda would wind up paying Peter alimony if they got divorced, but when they discovered Peter was the mastermind, they said he wouldn’t get a penny if they divorced!! So which is it? A pretty big plot hole, can anyone clear this up? I love the episode, but that’s a pretty big plot hole. 

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

A plot hole that I noticed today in Best Defense: when they suspected Linda of being the mastermind, they said that Linda would wind up paying Peter alimony if they got divorced, but when they discovered Peter was the mastermind, they said he wouldn’t get a penny if they divorced!! So which is it? A pretty big plot hole, can anyone clear this up? I love the episode, but that’s a pretty big plot hole. 

Yeah, that's a pretty big goof. Still, even if he wasn't a great lawyer, I can't see him needing alimony! Lawyers seem to make enough money. So...I don't know.

[WendyCR72]

Seeing the Bishop episodes from S3, it occurred to me that CI must have had an unwritten rule of casting young redheads as temp partners. Both Bishop and Falacci rocked the red hair and both were on the younger side. Just gave me a chuckle.

Yet Alicia Witt actually made the credits and Samantha Buck did not. I guess Witt had the better agent.  😉

[GHScorpiosRule]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yet Alicia Witt actually made the credits and Samantha Buck did not. I guess Witt had the better agent.

Or she was the better, more well known actress. She did play Cybill Shepard's snarky teen daughter on Cybill, after all.

[Sigmagirl]

I really liked her on Cybill, which is probably why I liked her as Falacci. Plus she was a total wiseass. Bishop was dull and random. I know Goren resented her because she wasn’t Eames, but she brought little to the table anyway.

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Or she was the better, more well known actress. She did play Cybill Shepard's snarky teen daughter on Cybill, after all.

Yeah, probably this! Now she makes Hallmark movies or something.

5 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

I really liked her on Cybill, which is probably why I liked her as Falacci. Plus she was a total wiseass. Bishop was dull and random. I know Goren resented her because she wasn’t Eames, but she brought little to the table anyway.

Yeah, I liked the fact that Logan recognized the irony of Falacci being the hothead while he tried to be mature. Hee. I have seen some here say they even liked her better than Wheeler.

As for Bishop, I think Goren's distaste for Bishop would have been for any temp that wasn't Eames. She understood his idiosyncrasies, etc. But I do agree that Bishop was just sort of killing time. As an aside, I sort of wish we found out what the G in G. Lynn Bishop stood for. Why give the character such a name if you won't say what it is?  😉

[WendyCR72]

Just saw an ad in the digital edition of my local newspaper. Apparently, a bunch of stars will be attending the Williamstown Theater Festival in Massachusetts. Two of them from the franchise: S. Epatha Merkerson (Lt. Van Buren) from the Mothership and Jamey Sheridan (Capt. Deakins.)

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, probably this! Now she makes Hallmark movies or something.

Yeah, I liked the fact that Logan recognized the irony of Falacci being the hothead while he tried to be mature. Hee. I have seen some here say they even liked her better than Wheeler.

As for Bishop, I think Goren's distaste for Bishop would have been for any temp that wasn't Eames. She understood his idiosyncrasies, etc. But I do agree that Bishop was just sort of killing time. As an aside, I sort of wish we found out what the G in G. Lynn Bishop stood for. Why give the character such a name if you won't say what it is?  😉

We never even heard Bishop addressed by any name other than “Bishop”, her first name was never mentioned on the show, which I thought was very odd. 

Bishop was beyond dull, she had no personality and no chemistry with the rest of the cast, she was very forgettable.

Falacci on the other hand had personality and I liked seeing her work with Logan and how Logan sometimes had to act as mediator between her and Captain Douche. I wish she had stayed on permanently, Wheeler was okay but overall she was fairly bland. 

[WendyCR72]

13 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Bishop was beyond dull, she had no personality and no chemistry with the rest of the cast, she was very forgettable.

I agree, but since she was not sticking around, maybe TPTB figured it didn't matter. I always liked Eames, but Bishop really made me miss her. Just sayin'!

[Xeliou66]

5 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I agree, but since she was not sticking around, maybe TPTB figured it didn't matter. I always liked Eames, but Bishop really made me miss her. Just sayin'!

Yeah Eames was great, she almost gets underappreciated because of Goren’s shadow, but she was a key part of the show as well and had great chemistry with everyone else. 

Bishop was just there, she had no personality and added nothing.

[WendyCR72]

14 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah Eames was great, she almost gets underappreciated because of Goren’s shadow

Oh, she has fans! I recall way back when it was announced that VDO/Goren had agreed to return for S10. There were many on the Everything Law & Order blog who stated that Kathryn Erbe had better return, too, or they would not watch. I think the announcement of KE's return then happened only a few days later.

[Sigmagirl]

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, I liked the fact that Logan recognized the irony of Falacci being the hothead while he tried to be mature. Hee. I have seen some here say they even liked her better than Wheeler.

Wheeler was the worst. Bishop was a spitfire next to Wheeler.

After Eames, my list goes:

Barek

Falacci

Stevens

Bishop

Wheeler

The Wikipedia entry on Bishop says she spent six years in Cold Case, but there is no attribution. At the end of “Stray, when the detectives are in uniform to go to the funeral, she seems to have a fair number of decorations. Who knows what the explanation could have been for her to be paired with Goren.

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, Sigmagirl said:

Wheeler was the worst. Bishop was a spitfire next to Wheeler.

After Eames, my list goes:

Barek

Falacci

Stevens

Bishop

Wheeler

The Wikipedia entry on Bishop says she spent six years in Cold Case, but there is no attribution. At the end of “Stray, when the detectives are in uniform to go to the funeral, she seems to have a fair number of decorations. Who knows what the explanation could have been for her to be paired with Goren.

I'd put both Bishop and Stevens near last. Season 9 was a great substitute for Nytol. Zero energy!

[WendyCR72]

On 7/26/2019 at 8:22 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can't wait for "Shandeh" to air. That's one of my favorites.

Heads up, @GHScorpiosRule (and to anyone else that likes this episode!): This episode is slated to air on August 18th at 8:00 pm ET on MyNetwork.

[catlover79]

On 8/6/2019 at 8:07 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Or she was the better, more well known actress. She did play Cybill Shepard's snarky teen daughter on Cybill, after all.

She also played the music student struggling to play clarinet in Mr. Holland's Opus.

[GHScorpiosRule]

14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Heads up, @GHScorpiosRule (and to anyone else that likes this episode!): This episode is slated to air on August 18th at 8:00 pm ET on MyNetwork.

HAH! I already saw it on ION last week! I just marathoned watched about 25 episodes this weekend. With my parents visiting, I didn't have a chance to watch them. I'm up to episode 12? in season 3. "Cold Comfort" was also another awesome episode. And I love how Goren is playing out how Kittridge was murdered, and Alex is all like, she would have put her purse on the hook. Bobbie just looks at her blankly...

"Right...it's a girl thing." And then proceeds to finish his thoughts. That NEVER FAILS to make me 🤣

Or the smackdown he gives that asshole murderer played by Josef Summer--especially the "SHAME ON YOU." I love it when he does his "gotcha" with a dose of justified righteousness.

Bleagh to the Bishop episodes. Aside from her first episode, at least Alex showed up in one scene an episode between Epidoes 6-11. But there are a few good episodes there, like "Sound Bodies", "A Murderer Among Us" , "Happy Family." So glad to see the last of Bishop, though.

Edited August 12, 2019 by GHScorpiosRule

[Xeliou66]

43 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

HAH! I already saw it on ION last week! I just marathoned watched about 25 episodes this weekend. With my parents visiting, I didn't have a chance to watch them. I'm up to episode 12? in season 3. "Cold Comfort" was also another awesome episode. And I love how Goren is playing out how Kittridge was murdered, and Alex is all like, she would have put her purse on the hook. Bobbie just looks at her blankly...

"Right...it's a girl thing." And then precedes to finish his thoughts. That NEVER FAILS to make me 🤣

Or the smackdown he gives that asshole murderer played by Josef Summer--especially the "SHAME ON YOU." I love it when he does his "gotcha" with a dose of justified righteousness.

Bleagh to the Bishop episodes. Aside from her first episode, at least Alex showed up in one scene an episode between Epidoes 6-11. But there are a few good episodes there, like "Sound Bodies", "A Murderer Among Us" , "Happy Family." So glad to see the last of Bishop, though.

The thing that bugs me about Cold Comfort is how they never caught the actual killer, the hitwoman who committed the murder. In fact, they never even seemed to think about trying to track her down, it was totally forgotten about. That irritated me. A pretty good episode with a weird but good plot, but they never caught the hitwoman, it was like they just forgot about her.