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ITV airdate is Sunday, February 10! No word on PBS, but it'll probably be in the summer. Someone did a lovely, vintage-style poster for it. Can't wait!

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Yay-an airdate! I binged the whole series last year and it’s so hard when you’ve caught up and are waiting for the new season.

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Since it's now a topic and not its own forum, I'll put my thoughts under the spoiler tag.

Pylon:

OMG, Mr. Bright and that pelican; I am absolutely speechless. 🤣

I hate that Ronnie Box is back and part of me hopes he has something to do with Fancy's murder so he can go to prison since it isn't illegal to be an odious asshole.

I never thought about what DeBryn's house would look like, but it absolutely suits him.

I'm always terrified that Thursday is going to die, but now I'm wondering if he'll end his career in disgrace, which might make me feel worse. I wish they had mentioned how Fred was able to convince Win to come back home.

It's surprising that Strange took Fancy's death the hardest, and that he's the only one who is actively trying to solve it.

While I thought Morse was going to stay in uniform longer than one episode, I'm pleased he's back as a detective. As shady as the Masons have done him, Strange is pulling some strings in his favor.

The couple at the end seemed a bit underwhelmed for seeing their missing daughter for the first time in three years.

All in all, I really enjoyed this episode and I love that it's back, it was sorely missed.

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Although not a huge Bright fan, I hated seeing the detectives making fun of him.

Glad that Morse is back in street clothes and I hope he loses the mustache along with the uniform.

Happy the series is back!

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~~~MOD NOTE~~~

Please note; once a show airs, even if it is not in the US, it is out of the bag, and spoiler tags should not be used. If you are entering this topic and have not viewed the episodes because they have not yet aired on PBS, please expect to be spoiled. Spoiler tags may be removed if used incorrectly.

Please pm me, @saoirse, with any questions you may have.

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Morse has always been a bit of a sad sack in his personal life, but man, things are grim for everyone now. Thursday's home and work life have fallen apart, Win has shut down completely, and Bright is a humiliated laughingstock. Box couldn't be more of a murdering asshole if he tried.

On a brighter note, Joan's new job seems to have given her some purpose and Viv is a crusading, truth-telling delight.

Nice to see Strange's progress on the job. He was portrayed as such a bumbler in the early seasons but it's easy now to see how he rose through the ranks and came to be Morse's boss. It seems like the show is working towards he and Joan getting together.

Where is Morse living now -- a room in the police barracks or something? I missed why he's no longer living with Jim.

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On 2/19/2019 at 3:22 AM, 2727 said:

Where is Morse living now -- a room in the police barracks or something? I missed why he's no longer living with Jim.

I just assumed that with the merger and shuffle last season, it might have not been feasible for them to keep living together. Maybe due to the distance from the flat to their jobs. When Morse was back in uniform, he looked like he was stationed somewhere out in the sticks.

Apollo:

Thursday being injured like that had me too upset. He's no spring chicken and might not bounce back after an injury as a younger person would. I still hate seeing him and Win still at odds. It's easy to see why Win is still angry, not only was Fred not forthcoming about their life savings, but he's also still lying to her about little things i.e. how his hand got injured in the previous episode. It was extremely awkward to see them ignoring each other with Joan in the middle of them watching the moon landing.

It's nice to see that even though Morse didn't get on with Bright, he still is more respectful and deferential towards him than Box (who is still really awful). Bright definitely seems to miss being in the midst of all the action and keen to help out. Him and Fred's conversation by the vending machines made me miss their meetings back at Cowley.

Morse has never acted like that with Joan before, I guess this is supposed to cement his grumpy attitude in future. She was the second person to call him a prick in one episode.

I forgot to mention it in the last episode, but they really went all out on the soundtrack this series; couldn't have been cheap. I was also surprised that, show-wise, absolutely no one said anything about Morse's mustache. I would have thought Joan of all people would have mentioned it.

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Apollo

While I found the case serious enough, I couldn't help cracking up at the Gerry & Sylvia Anderson "homage/rip off" and when the reference was made to the one puppet character who couldn't speak - clearly Marina from Stingray - I nearly died.  I'm old enough to have watched Stingray, Fireball XL5 and the original Thunderbirds.

Yes, Morse has a room where a lot of the single men live - for Peter Grant fans, it's how Peter was living until he was seconded to The Folly.

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I've always loved how elegant this show is. The classical music and the Oxford University setting, juxtaposed with the murder and corruption. Beauty and ugliness. 

There are always things that call to one another- the little girl who was killed in Pylon had horse books in her bag (she pulls out Black Beauty on the bus) which links to her actual killers and also, the fact that Morse was trying to catch their runaway horse when he found her. And it's not that it had anything to do with solving the case, it's just something that establishes a feeling or a pattern. 

The scene with Morse walking through the field after that horse was dream-like and gorgeous. But again, beauty up against ugliness- that gorgeous horse was destined for the glue factory. 

Even the Zep song- What Is and What Should Never Be- is a dreamy, fairy-tale song. 

And if I say to you tomorrow
Take my hand, child come with me
It's to a castle I will take you
Where what's to be, they say will be

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On 2/12/2019 at 3:48 PM, Popples said:

I thought Morse was going to stay in uniform longer than one episode

Me too, but I'd watch the hell out of a show with Shaun Evans as the only copper in a small rural village. 

I mean, Single-Handed exists but that's Ireland ... totally different!

On a less selfish note, Shaun hasn't had time to do much else as an actor since Endeavour started, so I'd be happy for him if he got to stretch himself a bit after this show ends. (No definite news on season 7 yet, ugh.)

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12 hours ago, 2727 said:

On a less selfish note, Shaun hasn't had time to do much else as an actor since Endeavour started, so I'd be happy for him if he got to stretch himself a bit after this show ends.

Shaun seems to be really interested in behind the camera. I think he did a wonderful job directing 'Apollo.' He's even directed a few episodes of Casualty.

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I hate what's happening to Thursday and his association with the 'possibly' bad cops. And I'm sad about his & Win's marriage falling apart. 

Glad the attention has turned back to the George Fancy murder case. But I was a bit surprised that Bright called only Morse when Strange was pretty eager to solve it. I have the feeling that the bad cops may be involved and he's not sure who, besides Morse, he can trust.

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As soon as Morse asked that lady for a drink I was like, "This is probably bad. She's probably the killer." 

Oh, Morse. If only girls were like crosswords.  

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Confection:

How could they finally introduce Mrs. Bright, only to give her inoperable cancer? First, they lose their young daughter, now this. Poor Brights.

If Thursday isn't really undercover trying to expose Box's shady dealings, I may riot. I cannot take him being a dirty cop. Hopefully, Strange approached him like he did Morse, but didn't tell either of them to give them plausible deniability. Also, he looks so wrong smoking cigarettes.

When Box gave Thursday the envelope and then told him to get the next round, the only thing I could think was, "so he's dirty and cheap."

I rarely, if ever, have spotted Colin Dexter once he stopped physically appearing in the show, so I was pleased with myself when I recognized him as "Mr. Quill the Writer" on the collectible cards.

The powers that be are still being cagey about another series (hopefully they'll say after Sunday), but if not there will be so much to wrap up next episode one wonders if it could possibly carry over.

On 2/28/2019 at 12:52 AM, Pogojoco said:

As soon as Morse asked that lady for a drink I was like, "This is probably bad. She's probably the killer."  

 

Or will end up dead, sometimes both! I just felt bad for her son, he's pretty much an orphan now.

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Morse usually breaks my heart every season, but Thursday is sure giving him a run for the sadness money.

After this episode, I wondered how many times women were the killers -- turns out to be fewer than I remembered. This site has stats for seasons 1-5 including all the murderers and victims (spoilers therein!). The totals are 

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15 men and 6 women.

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Great series, good finale. I like the way they wrapped it all up. The bad guys went down, Thursday & Win seem to be on the mend.... and Morse finally got his Jaguar and a new house. Happy the little girls mom was ok. I do feel bad for Bright though. 

And the best part was the voiceover during the credits... "Morse returns for a new series next year"! 

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2 minutes ago, HollyG said:

the voiceover during the credits... "Morse returns for a new series next year"! 

What good news! I turned it off before that part.

Watching, I felt like this was the series finale but Colin Dexter hadn't wanted to announce it in advance.

I was crying-close-to-sobbing during the last five minutes, but they were nostalgic, happy tears.

Spoiler

And the team will all be back together again!

I was so worried for my TV boyfriend Dr. DeBryn! Come here, you darling man and let me soothe your beaten brow.

Was that house in the end the one that Morse owns in the later series?

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1 hour ago, 2727 said:

What good news! I turned it off before that part.

Watching, I felt like this was the series finale but Colin Dexter hadn't wanted to announce it in advance.

I was crying-close-to-sobbing during the last five minutes, but they were nostalgic, happy tears.

  Reveal spoiler

And the team will all be back together again!

I was so worried for my TV boyfriend Dr. DeBryn! Come here, you darling man and let me soothe your beaten brow.

Was that house in the end the one that Morse owns in the later series?

Yes, it did seem like it could be a series finale. I'm very happy it wasn't.

I found some photos of the older Morse house. I didn't remember it being so grand. It does have some similarities, but I don't think it's the same. Although it could be that they meant for us to accept it as the same one.

This article (with photos) is about how vandals damaged the original house. (hope it's ok to post this link here)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208107/Squatters-wreck-Inspector-Morses-2m-Victorian-home.html

And yes, happy tears at the end. 

Edit: the house is at 23 Castlebar Park, Ealing, London w5. It's been cleaned up and sold and looks to be in beautiful condition again. But I still don't remember Morse's house being this grand.

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45 minutes ago, HollyG said:

I found some photos of the older Morse house

Thanks! Didn't Morse inherit or come into money at some point? I didn't watch the original series.

Real estate detour:

Even if he could afford that place, it doesn't seem like the Endeavour we know from this show would be interested in buying or maintaining such a large property.

I also found Bright's house/lifestyle to be a bit fancy/upper crusty for what I imagine his salary would have been. Maybe his wife has family money.

DeBryn's cottage with garden and Thursday's terrace house both seem very realistic for their jobs.

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2 hours ago, 2727 said:

Thanks! Didn't Morse inherit or come into money at some point? I didn't watch the original series.

Real estate detour:

Even if he could afford that place, it doesn't seem like the Endeavour we know from this show would be interested in buying or maintaining such a large property.

I also found Bright's house/lifestyle to be a bit fancy/upper crusty for what I imagine his salary would have been. Maybe his wife has family money.

DeBryn's cottage with garden and Thursday's terrace house both seem very realistic for their jobs.

I can't remember. I checked out the character's wiki page and it says his parents were divorced and his father drove a taxi. I don't know if his mother remarried or had family money.

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My emotions went through the wringer while watching this phenomenal episode. Up until now, Sway has always been my favorite episode because it was the first time I've seen Roger Allam get to be romantic, but this might take the gold.

Win is probably sick of seeing letters left by that clock on the mantlepiece, fortunately, Fred came home. It's nice to see the fight back in him as well, he was going to let Win walk away.

I have to show love to Anton Lesser; Bright's character has had such growth and turnaround from the first series. He went from being so beholden to a rotten system to absolutely endearing and doing what's right. It's such a shame his marriage came to a heart-rendering end.

When they kidnapped Dr. Debryn, I was ready to fight. On this show, harming him is only behind children and the elderly.

Ms. Paroo the librarian; I see you, Russell!

I don't understand How does this show not get noticed by critics? It has to for this series. The writing was fantastic and the acting has always been top notch. It just flies under the radar. Maybe being a police drama hurts it since there are loads of them about.

Thrilled about it getting a seventh series; I always need more of this show. There is speculation that there may be only 6 episodes left in the entire saga. Since the original show had 33 episodes, and Kevin Whately wanted Lewis to do the same out of respect, one can only wonder if it will be that way for this.

I forgot to mention that I can't believe that being the "Pelican Man" saved Mr. Bright's life. 

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Great finale. George Fancy's murder avenged. Thursday's marriage is on the mend. And the gang is back together again.

I can't believe how much I have come to love Bright. I was so scared that he was going to be killed and then relieved that his popularity as the ridiculous Pelican man saved his life. Way to go, girls! You know a good guy when you see one. It was sad that he lost his wife, but he will have a strong support system from his friends and colleagues at his "new" post.

I was surprised that Box turned out to be an okay guy and that his bag man was the real bad guy. I hope Box survives and we see him again, humbled and determined to redeem himself.

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I've been rewatching the entire series this month and am surprised at how mild Jakes' bullying of Morse seems now. I thought he was despicable when the show started but his later friendship with Morse probably influences me to feel kindlier towards him.

Also, Roger really takes big bites out of his lunch sandwiches! He's a method eater.

I'm finishing season 2 now and telling myself not to get too attached to Monica.

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PBS US is beginning to run nanoseconds flashes of the upcoming Endeavour season...

Morse rocking his 'stache....can't wait...

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