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A group of outsiders crashes the old-boys' club of Wall Street and accidentally crashes the world's largest financial system on Oct. 19,1987.

Airing on Showtime beginning Sunday January 20, 2019 10pm EST

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Probably watch the pilot before it airs on the 20th.

Will be interesting to see what kind of character Rannells plays -- anything like the one in Girls?

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Just watched the pilot. There are no outsiders, the Black guys are just as much insiders as everyone else, and it's a fantasy based on a single historical fact (the '87 crash). It looks like a minstrel show. More when more people see it on Showtime's on-demand feature. It's up now.

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Well Andrew Rannells character seems stiff but I have a feeling they will have him act like Elijah at some point.

They didn’t cast him to play a rube among the sharks.

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I thought the pilot was great, especially the use of the Glenn Frey song. I also hope Don Cheadle pulls it back a bit once the series gets going. Right now he's looking a little blaxploitation-ish to me and it's not a good look in 2019 even for a dark comedy, IMO. The cast is impressive though.

Elsewhere I've seen this show described as Wolf of Wall Street and House of Lies have a kid. Based on the pilot that seems fairly accurate to me.

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I was completely surprised at the twist! I’m not going to say any more until it airs in case others are planning to watch it then. 

I love the whole cast so I’m in for what looks like a wild ride! 

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I thought the episode was fantastic.  I loved it.  I was sad when it was over.  I wish I knew it was already released 3 weeks ago.

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This is gonna be wild in that way that only an 80s retro show can be! I know that Wolf of Wall-Street is the obvious comparison, but I see more of The Big Short in this so far. A sometimes cartoony over the top dark comedy period piece about hedonistic excess and corporate greed running rampant in a materialistic culture that is inevitably heading towards a major financial melt down. 

I love the whole cast, and the vibe of over the top 80s ridiculousness, with more serious issues in the background, is totally my kind of vibe. I really enjoyed this, and am super excited to see what happens next! 

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Here are the songs I could identify:

The Message - Grandmaster Flash

Rhythm of the Night - El DeBarge

Hard Times - Run DMC

New York Minute - Don Henley

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I liked it.  I think it's still gelling a little in terms of laying out who all the characters are, but I thought the plot was tight and I really didn't see the final twist coming.  The pilot does such a great job of creating the vibe of the setting, both the general '80s tone and the specific, decadent chaos of the Wall Street scene.  All the references to Mo's robot butler cracked me up hard.

The whole cast did a great job.  Don Cheadle was giving me slight House of Lies flashbacks with Mo, but the two characters are definitely different.  Regina Hall brought a real presence to her scenes, holding her own in the boys' club.  And I'm excited to see where things go with Blair - I adore Andrew Rannells, and this character seems very different from the type he usually plays.

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It took me forever to find this thread. 

I saw Cheadle on The Daily Show talking about this and decided to check it out because he's usually good in everything. I also like Marino in anything. Even though his scenes were part comic relief, they were also sinister. 

This was tightly plotted for a pilot with not much of any clunky exposition, though I think they assumed we'd know something of the era and the topic going in. I didn't see the twist at the end coming either. 

It looks like the episode titles are the countdown days to Black Monday. 

I haven't decided who jumped out the window. They made a point to show the watch and the tie clip, and then showed each in the show. Mo remarked about it at the end of the show. It seems too obvious that it would be Mo, but the Marinos pointed out the last person to try to get the jean company kicked off the crash in '29. 

I'm fine if it is him because the show takes a darker turn into a tragedy, and maybe there's scenes where he could have walked back but couldn't help himself. I kind of like if those items change hands a lot though. 

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How is what Mo's trying to do with Blair not insider trading? Oh wait, it is.

"Justine Bateman body, Jason Bateman personality."

The costume designer is doing a great job, IMO. Dawn's clothes have been perfect so far. (Skorts!) I think Mo dresses like a pimp though and wonder if he would've been taken seriously on the real 1980s Wall Street.

I like how the show is proceeding. Cheadle toned down Mo's coonery displayed in the pilot and we're seeing meaningful development in the other characters. Blair's overearnest personality bugs me though. I hope they don't go the way of either having him turn into the biggest baller of them all, or become the immovable force that makes Mo come to Jesus just a bit too late.

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I haven't heard the word "Mc DLT" in 20 years. 

I was dying when Mo was going on about 'there's only so many places white people go.'

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Agreed, ganesh, that was a hilarious bit.

I thought this was a great episode.  The back-and-forth/puppet-mastering between Mo and Dawn was terrific - I loved seeing all the twists and turns that plot took, and fun resolution with both of them thinking the other was a sucker for agreeing to the 15%.

I enjoyed the plot of the "movieographer."  It added some good tension, with Mo desperate not to look bad in front of him, and considering how both Wall Street and Working Girl ended up, the talk about whitewashing was really good.

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They cut back and he was still going on - at a John Hughes movie, in a John Hughes movie. Hee. 

Mo is like Marty on a lot of coke. I think Marty was more grounded because he was honestly invested in being a good parent. 

I noted that the tie clip transferred ownership and now the maid has it. I'm trilled. I can't wait to see how it changes hands. 

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1 hour ago, angora said:

I thought this was a great episode.  The back-and-forth/puppet-mastering between Mo and Dawn was terrific - I loved seeing all the twists and turns that plot took, and fun resolution with both of them thinking the other was a sucker for agreeing to the 15%.

 

Mo didn't have to give 15% ownership as he found out from Blair that he got the other guy to keep that stock. Mo didn't needed the Dawn's trust fund client, so even though Dawn still thought he was playing games with her, he decided to give her the ownership that she demanded.

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She gonna need that money if her husband boots her out. 

I do like the asides they have. "yeah I still like pantsuits."

You should have walked out on that line. They have my Amex. I know! 

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So the song Dawn is listening to, the song that the guys in the office taped over, is Carly Simon's "Let the River Run" (aka the theme song for Working Girl) -- which is a callback to the line by the writer about how he is planning to give his notes to Mike Nichols, who's working on his own film about Wall Street. But if the film has therefore not been made yet, and won't in fact come out until 1988, then how can Simon's song -- which was written for the film -- exist on Black Monday 

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Because it's television and they wanted to show how Dawn was the model for the movie. 

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Mo listing all the places you could find white people "on a horse, near a turkey sandwich to die for, etc." was hilarious, especially as it cut BACK to him still going on about it even after another scene had passed!

I am really liking this show, its fast paced, but doesent feel rushed at all. Even though we are clearly on a time table inching towards Black Monday...

Aww damn Dawn, things were going so well! Got that 15%, name on the header, and about to get down with your man, and then BAM. Thats gonna be awkward to explain. 

So the tie clip has now moved onto a maid who grabbed it off the cut tie tree! Round and around it goes!

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The watch is the other item, but it seems that Mo still has it. 

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I couldn't follow this at all :(  God, I liked the pilot SO much but this was just :(  No Limborghini, no cool 80's music, Carly Simon doesn't count, it was like the end of Trading Places where I can't follow the stock shit.  LOL.  I need to watch it again.  I'm disappointed.

11 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Mo listing all the places you could find white people "on a horse, near a turkey sandwich to die for, etc." was hilarious, especially as it cut BACK to him still going on about it even after another scene had passed!

"At a puppet show"

There's a great bit that Wanda Sykes does on The New Adventures of Old Christine where she talks about how she feels left out as a minority all the time and mentions all of the places that white people are.  I can't find any transcript online unfortunately.  

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Mo did too good of a job getting Blair all pumped up and high off himself (and coke) and he broke up with the real reason he did all this crap with Blair in the first place! 

"I can be more like you. Bitchy." Casey Wilson is clearly having a blast here, playing every awful 80s material girl rolled into one. Although, I was kind of with her on the garbage disposal. Those things are SO convenient! 

Poor Dawn, she is always dealing with something, be it her coked out co-workers, or her aging hippie parents not approving of her yuppie lifestyle. At least she can fall back on her amazing 80s hair and shoulder pads you can use to bludgeon someone to death.

No updates on the Tie of Doom yet, but I am more and more interested who gets its, and there are just so many candidates! Its like playing pin the tail on the corpse. 

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“Can my dad just buy us ONE trash compactor?”

”How many were you WANTING?!”

Blair and Tiff are so insane and fun - regardless of Mo’s secret plan, I hope they get back together soon just because their scenes are so funny.

Mo taking Blair out on the town was great.  I loved that he clarified his “the Muhammad Ali of pulling out” comment, and his ideas of a good time were so awesomely weird - the execution, the fancy restaurant with the raw ground beef (“Keep [the jacket], they tried to poison us!”)

Really liked seeing the dynamic between Dawn and her parents.  When she stood up to announce becoming a partner and everyone immediately thought she was gonna say she was pregnant, then were disappointed about the partner thing in comparison?  Oof, that was too real.

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Death of a Salesman. I was shook. Almost as shook as Blair. And that salesman who they just watched get electrocuted. 

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I hope the arc with wild and coked out Blair isn't going to last long. Seems to me like that trope is overdone.

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the fancy restaurant with the raw ground beef (“Keep [the jacket], they tried to poison us!”)

This is the second show I've watched in about a week where characters have dined (or tried to) on steak tartare. As someone who doesn't even eat cooked beef, it was two times too many. Bleh.

I like the version of the Tears for Fears song "Shout" used in this episode. It seemed a bit mellower than the version that was played on the radio back then.

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3 hours ago, angora said:

Really liked seeing the dynamic between Dawn and her parents.  When she stood up to announce becoming a partner and everyone immediately thought she was gonna say she was pregnant, then were disappointed about the partner thing in comparison?  Oof, that was too real.

This was the strength of the episode. A show in 1987 has to hit on these issues, but I think the timing was right because we know enough about Dawn being actually good at her job. 

2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I like the version of the Tears for Fears song "Shout" used in this episode. I

It sounded like the original to me. 

I love the Jewish wife. 

Great twist at the end tough. 

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1 hour ago, ganesh said:

This was the strength of the episode. A show in 1987 has to hit on these issues, but I think the timing was right because we know enough about Dawn being actually good at her job. 

4 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I agree that she is good at her job and unfortunately that includes screwing over her loved one if it was discovered what she is trying to do. Her parents didn't sign off on it but Kadeem Harrison's character did.

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It sounded like the original to me.  

The original album version maybe. I think the version played on Top 40 radio in the US was louder than the version used here.

I just watched this episode again and it's amazing how many throw away laughs there are that are easy to miss because they fly by so fast.

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Cheadle has great comic timing. House of Lies had similar quick dialogue. He and Bell were excellent there. 

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The tie clip made a double transference! Can you imagine running to an airport gate to catch someone?!

So what was the LaGuardia scam with the money? Bet it on cows and leave the country?

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I think it was put everything on something really risky that would either have a huge payout or lose it all, and then hang out at LaGuardia to see which way it ends up going.  If it works, come back the big hero, if it doesn't, hop on a plane and never look back.  I'm not sure what Horatio Sanz's character put it on that tainted beef was a sign of success for him.

I love that Dawn didn't know about the whole "honeypot" thing but was critical as soon as Mo explained it was a sitcom gambit, whereas Blair just immediately said, "Like on Hogan's Heroes?" and went with it.  (I also really laughed at, "Of course I have questions.  It's a comedy set in a Nazi concentration camp.")

The scene of each of the main three following their trail of discarded clothes/robot pieces to a different end result was fun, and the whole Yakuza scene was great.  I loved everyone bickering back and forth while Mo is desperately waiting to be told he doesn't have to cut off his pinky after all.

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19 minutes ago, angora said:

I'm not sure what Horatio Sanz's character put it on that tainted beef was a sign of success for him.

No, he put it on American cattle futures and when the mad cow disease came out in UK and Europe, the American cattle cost went way up, so that's how he won. I didn't know what the whole plan was because I thought it meant he was trying to bank and then leave the country. 

I kind of have to call a little BS on Mo giving the bag of money to someone else to deliver to the Yakuza. He strikes me as a do it right, do it yourself guy. 

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The whole bit about Hogans Heroes was hilarious, and how Blair understood it immediately, while Blair was like "why are we using a damn sitcom plot for this real life situation?" "Of course I had questions, its a sitcom set in a Nazi concentration camp!"

Although, not to be pedantic, but it wasnt a concentration camp, it was a allied POW camp. Still a super bizarre premise for a sitcom, that has baffled me for years. 

Oh dear, looks like Dawn might have caught feelings, just as Blair gets back together with Tiff again. And the Pin of Doom takes another spin around the room! Where it stops, nobody knows! 

Everything about the LaGuardia Scam was killing me, it was so ridiculous. 

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Both the pin and the watch were shown being worn by whomever jumped out the window, but Mo still has the watch. So now he has both. 

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It's like the Illuminati but with less butt stuff. I don't remember "butt stuff" being a phrase in the 80s though. 

And the tie pin changes possession again. With another Hogan's Heroes reference. 

I enjoy the insults the brothers and Mo sling back and forth. 

I'm kind of over Tiffany being screaming all the time. She's got to know well enough. 

Dawn and Mo need to get on the same page or the entire company is hosed. 

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And the pin changes hands again! Where it stops, nobody knows!

Tiffany is annoying (purposefully so) but her coming in with a massive shredder to get rid of all of papers so she and Blair can hit it was a pretty baller move. 

The incest twins and Mo hurling insults at each other is always horribly hilarious. "You get that its not incest, we`re just racist, right?" 

That party was batshit crazy. I loved the weird guy who has millions of personas, like Negan from The Walking Dead, but an 80s businessman. Dawn walking away from the third guy really slowly was hysterical. 

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I'm a little disappointed at what seems to be happening with recent developments. I had thought that, at last, we were seeing evidence that an out gay actor can be considered castable in a straight leading role. But apparently No, there are going to be "revelations" with Andrew Rannells's character. So we're still waiting for a counterexample....

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Why? Is he gay irl? I thought the gay jokes were just the time period. 

Wow was the puking horrific.

I liked quick sideways when the escort knew Tiff's dad's name. Tiff was way way more palatable this week. Her getting mad about Blair getting overly drunk was fair. 

Awesome Culture Club. That was some prank. Yeesh. 

I didn't realize that the cop was the same guy from the trading room floor. I didn't think the SEC would be stepping up so fast either. 

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3 hours ago, ganesh said:

Why? Is he gay irl?

Yes. Which means he gets cast only in gay roles, while straight actors get to do both. As I said, I thought we had an encouraging exception here. Well, I won't prejudge the outcome till we get there.

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That was finally an episode I kind of liked.

Vomiting is the biggest cliche in TV and movies and I have written about it at length.  I hate it hate it hate it hate it.  So gratuitous and punishes the audience.   I knew it was coming so I covered my screen.

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Ex-lax chased by ipecac, followed by chugging a room temperature can of chili. Good to know if I ever need to fake a case of the flu.

Sniglet. 🙂

Ah, the serious moonlight.

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So now the pin has moved to Keith's ear! And Culture Club makes him want to be a little bit closer to being an out gay man...but only so much so. I guess being out in that environment would be pretty close to impossible in that time period. Between his personal life and him being blackmailed by the feds, he seems the most likely to be the suicide, but I think its too obvious. I dont think its him, not yet at least. 

Well damn, thats an elaborate fucking prank! But now Blair might be getting wise to whats going on, or at least getting closer to it. Mo buying his hooker date the same dress as Dawn is seriously next level petty. 

Cracked up at the hooker knowing Tiffs fathers name. 

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I don't think it's him yet either. In the close up on the hood of the car, the suit looked fancier than what he usually wears. It really has to be one of the main three. It would be a twist if it was Dawn. And it doesn't necessarily mean the person jumped. They could have been pushed. 

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I would not be surprised if at this point, the person we saw on the hood of the car is one of the incest twins and Mo/Dawn/Blair/Keith/(or any combo really) either kill them beforehand, or push them out the window to get free from the fact that they now own the debt. I think our tie pins and watch are just red herrings - even if it is one of our main characters, I don't think it'll be Keith, because the anvils are way too heavy at this point and so far, the show has been more clever than that.

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I'm with you, Rinaldo.  I was happy to see Andrew Rannells cast as a straight character, and I'm hoping that's what eventually bears out.  Since it never seemed to have occurred to him that he might be gay until someone brought it up - he seemed utterly baffled when Keith implied it last week - I hope this is just a dumb overreaction on his part, jumping at gay shadows that aren't really there.  At any rate, his drunken meltdown here was funny.  I laughed out loud at him trying to clamber out of that bathtub.

So, going by the countdown, about four months have passed since the last episode?  I didn't really feel that; people's reactions to things felt too recent to me.  It wasn't as bad as Downton Abbey could be at times, where Lady Sybil and Branson would have some Big Important Conversation and, the next week, it'd be like 10 months later and they'd still be in the exact same spot narratively.

Wayne and Yassir's freakout was awesome.  INSANE prank on Mo's part, and I had a sneaking suspicion throughout much of it that it might be a setup, but they were so funny the whole time that I didn't mind.

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If it is one of the brothers, then it has to be the other one that kills him. I don't know how historically accurate this show is though because they're supposed to merge with American Express. 

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