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This was ridiculously hard to find, plus the name of the show that's currently airing is "Return to Amish", not "Breaking Amish", which was its predecessor.  Can something be done about that?

ETA:  Thanks!

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Episode 6:

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"Forgive Me, Carmela"

Jeremiah makes a desperate plea for Carmela to return; Dawn and Shelly go full English; Lowell must make a difficult call to his Mennonite parents; Mary takes a risk that could threaten her standing in the Amish community; Sabrina says goodbye.

Aired December 30, 2018.

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Just watched the 2 hour show where Dawn's husband comes down to Nashville to get her.  Episode 6 I suppose.

I can only imagine taking the donut booth on the road was just a justification for these people to be filmed.  Now on to people: Dawn and hubby may be looking well at the end of the episode, but I don't see a a half English half Mennonite couple holding up.  Jeremiah says he needs to do more listening than talking (yelling) and let's all hope he tries to do that.  I have no idea if Lowell finds himself and wants to marry his pregnant gf and what all that will entail.  Shelly, looks and seems more relaxed with her make-over.  Her affect is so flat and emotionless, and it was interesting to hear that in those communities (so we were told) that they have emotions but are raised not to show them.  She's a hard one to read nor see what she wants.

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"Stay Amish or Go English?"

Jeremiah and Ada must decide the future of their donut stand business; Mary learns her fate with the Amish Church; Shelly meets her biological mother; Lowell finds out surprising news about his baby during an ultrasound; Dawn reveals a dark secret.

Airs January 6, 2018.

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The producers aren’t even trying anymore.  What’s his name just found out his girlfriend is pregnant, how is she already like 7 mos?  He just got the line shaved into his head.

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How is there an egg ceremony for gender reveal, when we're told ultrasounds aren't allowed for the Amish?  I know Mennonites have ultrasounds, so maybe they borrowed the ceremony?  

20 hours ago, For Cereals said:

The producers aren’t even trying anymore.  What’s his name just found out his girlfriend is pregnant, how is she already like 7 mos?  He just got the line shaved into his head.

And she's in labor the next episode!

I hope she gets better care than broccoli and fart blankets.

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The Episode of 1/06/19, where they return to PA, was actually a good production,    Tons of things for each characters...seeing parents (bio and adopted), or gf/bf/husband, and a marriage proposal.  Also the dinner at Ada's was entertaining,  And it was nice to see Jeremiah not yelling and mostly helpful.  

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I am so surprised the regurgitated this for another season not too mention 2 hours worth of lame stories... I just can't anymore. I would rather churn butter than watch this shit anymore  

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God this show has jumped the shark and ran off and came back and jumped it again, then drowned in the shark waters.  Yet, here I am...

I like Dawn.  Haven't found anyone I really like on this show like...ever.  I also really like Ada.  I expected her to be a bitch at the beginning of the season but she's better than Mary.  Glad Sabrina left, watching her and Jeremiah is almost second hand embarrassment inducing.  It's like the old people trying to be cool around the young kids.  And she's already pregnant in real life again.  Someone needs to rip out her uterus.  She should NOT be getting pregnant, ever.  Carmela is looking bad.  She's probably put on 30lbs.  Jeremiah seems like a real joy to be with.  Heh.

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Episode 8:

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"No Turning Back"

Jeremiah, Carmela, Ada, Dawn and Lowell gather for Shelly's wedding; Shelly hopes her Mennonite mother will attend her English wedding.

Airs January 13, 2019.

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I'm new to this show!  Only seen parts of 3 episodes.....fascinating!   I have no idea who these people are but sad I missed all the good stuff the first time around.

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32 minutes ago, HappyDancex2 said:

I'm new to this show!  Only seen parts of 3 episodes.....fascinating!   I have no idea who these people are but sad I missed all the good stuff the first time around.

There’s a lot of producer-driven shenanigans and you’re always questioning how much of it is real especially after all the real stories started coming out during the first season but good drama and a little insight.

I feel for the adopted kids especially of different races (not so much for Jeremiah, not because he’s white but because he’s Jeremiah). If what Shelly and Lowell said is to be believed that they were bullied or called slurs yet have somewhat loving families who don’t want them to leave the church and yet other families don’t want them to marry their children, what do they do?  That’s no life.  Poor Matt can’t even identify as Bulgarian.  I would probably feel worse for Shelly if I could understand what she was saying half the time...

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I just binge watched the entirety of the most recent season (7?).  I’d like to thank my cold, Mucinex DM and the rainy gloomy day outside for their support.

The thing that gets me the most is every time they get a makeover they “ don’t recognize the person in the mirror” yet at the same time feel like it represents their real self.  How does that make any sense? Is it really necessary to have some sort of commercialized product applied to see yourself in the mirror?

1) Mary - how does she justify doing all she can to get back in the good graces of the church and yet still participate in the show?

2) Lowell - doing dishes (women’s work) or going on a haunted tour of New Orleans disrespects his religion but drinking alcohol, having premarital sex with his girlfriend  and running amok on the beach in a speedo is A-ok.

3) Carmela - “this is the worst thing to do for our marriage, taking the donut business on the road”, then 3 episodes later, “it’s the best thing we did for our marriage”.

4) Shelly - it’s ok your fiancé is still legally married to his first wife, get married now anyway and worry about the paperwork/legalities/possible bigamy charges brought on him later.

5) Dawn - my husband cheated on me/sin so I’m going to use that as an excuse to “go English”, then at the end I’ll confess my lie/sin by being on birth control and let’s just go English, honey!

6) Jeremiah - gotta hand it to him for hustling the t-shirts, hoodies, hats, shoes, paintings, Amish Donut business AND starring in the latest rendition of Return to Amish.  Way to milk it, dude.  Still needs to work on his relationship skills though.

7) Sabrina- Jeeeez, where to begin.  Get help, honey.  Everyone’s praying for ya.

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3 hours ago, kicotan said:

4) Shelly - it’s ok your fiancé is still legally married to his first wife, get married now anyway and worry about the paperwork/legalities/possible bigamy charges brought on him later.

 

I know!  I think this is probably something like what the producers said.  They pushed them into it early so they could get it on film.  Who cares about pesky details like divorces that aren't final? To me, this more than anything qualifies as this show jumping the shark.  No wonder Matt was flipping out.  There was nothing real about it.  Like where are they going to live?  They didn't even talk about anything practical.  I think the fakeness is why the black pastor backed out.  When he found out it wasn't going to be a "real marriage" he didn't want anything to do with it.  That would also explain why Shelly was like "yeah, right, whatever" to finding out he backed out.  This wasn't a real wedding anyway, just a dress up ball.

I loved how the captions said that Mary had gone back Amish "for now" - Like they know her better than to believe she'll stick with it.  But I don't even believe her going back was anything but a fake plot for this show (which answers your question above about how she can participate in this show and yet go "back Amish").  

And other plots.  Why does Ada not have any issues with the bishop about being on the show?  Has she really gone English but still dresses Amish like Mary did?  I might have missed where this was addressed in a previous episode, but they never talk about her status with the Amish church whatsoever so I'm thinking perhaps they just haven't talked about it at all.

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On 1/10/2019 at 5:38 PM, ShaNaeNae said:

God this show has jumped the shark and ran off and came back and jumped it again, then drowned in the shark waters.  Yet, here I am...

I like Dawn.  Haven't found anyone I really like on this show like...ever.  I also really like Ada.  I expected her to be a bitch at the beginning of the season but she's better than Mary.  Glad Sabrina left, watching her and Jeremiah is almost second hand embarrassment inducing.  It's like the old people trying to be cool around the young kids.  And she's already pregnant in real life again.  Someone needs to rip out her uterus.  She should NOT be getting pregnant, ever.  Carmela is looking bad.  She's probably put on 30lbs.  Jeremiah seems like a real joy to be with.  Heh.

I agree. Why am I still watching? I guess tv is just that bad now, or I´m accidentally a masochist. I did always like Abe and Rebecca, they just seemed so normal and nice compared to everyone else.

I think the difference between Mary and Ada (if Ada is still amish, which I think she is) is that Ada never disrespects their culture and religion. Mary took everything so far, went against her husband´s wishes, drank lots of alcohol, acted a fool etc.

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On 1/13/2019 at 9:01 PM, For Cereals said:

There’s a lot of producer-driven shenanigans and you’re always questioning how much of it is real especially after all the real stories started coming out during the first season but good drama and a little insight.

I feel for the adopted kids especially of different races (not so much for Jeremiah, not because he’s white but because he’s Jeremiah). If what Shelly and Lowell said is to be believed that they were bullied or called slurs yet have somewhat loving families who don’t want them to leave the church and yet other families don’t want them to marry their children, what do they do?  That’s no life.  Poor Matt can’t even identify as Bulgarian.  I would probably feel worse for Shelly if I could understand what she was saying half the time...

Shelley has the personality of a sack of dead rats!!

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@kicotan

Pretty good observations.  Just to add about Mary, I was surprised she was filmed after her church's vote...but perhaps the producers had her film a couple of different convo's and endings ahead of time.  The next point is, being voted in and her appearing months later on tv is apparently not an issue for them, or at least I would hope!

 

On 1/14/2019 at 10:41 PM, Yeah No said:

I know!  I think this is probably something like what the producers said.  They pushed them into it early so they could get it on film.  Who cares about pesky details like divorces that aren't final? To me, this more than anything qualifies as this show jumping the shark.  No wonder Matt was flipping out.  There was nothing real about it.  Like where are they going to live?  They didn't even talk about anything practical.  I think the fakeness is why the black pastor backed out.  When he found out it wasn't going to be a "real marriage" he didn't want anything to do with it.  That would also explain why Shelly was like "yeah, right, whatever" to finding out he backed out.  This wasn't a real wedding anyway, just a dress up ball.

I loved how the captions said that Mary had gone back Amish "for now" - Like they know her better than to believe she'll stick with it.  But I don't even believe her going back was anything but a fake plot for this show (which answers your question above about how she can participate in this show and yet go "back Amish").  

And other plots.  Why does Ada not have any issues with the bishop about being on the show?  Has she really gone English but still dresses Amish like Mary did?  I might have missed where this was addressed in a previous episode, but they never talk about her status with the Amish church whatsoever so I'm thinking perhaps they just haven't talked about it at all.

That's a good point about the black pastor perhaps not wanting to be involved once he got clued in on the details.

As to Ada, I'm not sure if she's ex-amish and dresses up and carries on some traditions for business PR reasons.  Her home was nice, and yet had (allegedly) a gas powered refrigerator.  Who knows, may be she is Amish and right with her church because buying and selling with the English has to be done, so they have certain allowances.

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Why are non-Amish people referred to as English, anyone know?

Also, could someone brief me on the "real stories that came out" that indicated fakery on this show on earlier seasons? 

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1 hour ago, bref said:

Why are non-Amish people referred to as English, anyone know?

Also, could someone brief me on the "real stories that came out" that indicated fakery on this show on earlier seasons? 

Because the Amish's first language is not English but "Pennsylvania Dutch", which is a kind of "pigeon German" according to my father who speaks German, while most Americans' first language is English.

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2 hours ago, bref said:

Why are non-Amish people referred to as English, anyone know?

“...Amish began migrating to Pennsylvania, then known for its religious toleration, in the 18th century as part of a larger migration from the Palatinate (Southern Germany) and neighboring areas. This migration was a reaction to religious wars, poverty, and religious persecution in Europe. The first Amish immigrants went to Berks County, Pennsylvania, but later moved, motivated by land issues and by security concerns tied to the French and Indian War.  Many eventually settled in Lancaster County. Other groups later settled elsewhere in North America...” ~ Wikipedia 

In Colonial times, many religious groups who were persecuted, disenfranchised and basically ran out of town in Europe set up shop here in what became The USA.  The Amish retained their identity as Dutch speaking/identifying by becoming a closed sect during those times~hence the rejection of Industrial Revolution Technology, the “mother tongue” not being English, their diet, etc.  They didn’t live in or identify with any English heritage, colonies or settlements before or during the Colonial period in the current USA and, for what it is worth, are collectively and religiously stuck in the time period they were in when they got here.

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Tough question.  Originally was called Breaking Amish.  The first season or two has some deliberate mistruths, like Jeremiah was like 32 and married before and had previously left the Amish, not just leaving now in S1.  There are other characters who were around for several seasons, Abe (one of Mary's sons) and Rebecca....and Rebecca had a daughter prior to the show...perhaps with Abe who she was (apparently) married to, though the show pretends they are just meeting.

Oh, and Sabrina was in S1 (and later) and you can see her before all her addictions and lockups.

I think the later shows are more honest about what and who but can still have producer nonsense.  

For completeness, I didn't see the Los Angeles and Brooklyn Seasons.  As to 'Return" there are 5 seasons, and overall sometimes these people have little ability to deal with stress and going wild, so there's a lot of stuff you might not believe, except that they were so sheltered.  The voice of reason and good outlook on life is provided by Mary.

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6 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

Tough question.  Originally was called Breaking Amish.  The first season or two has some deliberate mistruths, like Jeremiah was like 32 and married before and had previously left the Amish, not just leaving now in S1.  There are other characters who were around for several seasons, Abe (one of Mary's sons) and Rebecca....and Rebecca had a daughter prior to the show...perhaps with Abe who she was (apparently) married to, though the show pretends they are just meeting.

Oh, and Rebecca was in S1 (and later) and you can see her before all her addictions and lockups.

I think the later shows are more honest about what and who but can still have producer nonsense.  

For completeness, I didn't see the Los Angeles and Brooklyn Seasons.  As to 'Return" there are 5 seasons, and overall sometimes these people have little ability to deal with stress and going wild, so there's a lot of stuff you might not believe, except that they were so sheltered.  The voice of reason and good outlook on life is provided by Mary.

Rebecca was married and had a child, but the marriage was not to Abe (there are rumors that the child was actually Abe's), they definitely did know each other before the show. 

I believe you mean Sabrina in regards to the addiction and lockups.

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Thanks @connieinnc for the Sabrina fixup.  The Abe Rebecca relationship was confusing (totally misleading by producers, and then the digging thru past and current SM wasn't too clear either).  But when we saw in later seasons their two kids, I always figured they were both theirs.  And one kid was the one not shown during S1.  Maybe not!

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