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8 minutes ago, SallyAlbright said:

think my worry is that the writers just use her to teach the viewers a lesson, and it's a bit heavy handed.

I get you... And while sometimes I see the term heavy-handed used as a bludgeon,  you explained what you meant with clarity and didn't use it as a catch all for any message that's somewhat progressive... And I feared the same thing for Kat... Being used to do all the heavy social lifting.. Tho in that respect I guess it at least follows real life... Where so many times for all sorts of reasons the onus falls on the marginalized to school the masses

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Sutton and Jane clearly didn't appreciate being lectured for saying "black market" or "woke," and I think the show meant for the "it's all good as long as your heart's in the right place" message to close that type of discussion, for better or for worse. It seems a little too easy, but... that's The Bold Type, heh.

Here's what Carmen said about it over on Autostraddle:

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I have been a huge champion of Kat’s growth over the last two years of The Bold Type. In as much as The Bold Type is a coming of age story, it is most certainly a queer coming of age for Kat – who has figured out how to become a part of her community without a girlfriend on her arm, and how to use her workplace to advocate for the queer world around her. That’s all great. But you know that one friend who’s newly out of the closet, and then they sort become… well, there’s no need to sugar coat it, they become a bit annoying? Everything is either “right” or “wrong” or “social justice” or not at all, and it gets exhausting? Yeah well, Kat Edison has hit that stage in her queer development.

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Meanwhile, Kat’s also been kind of on her high horse lately about policing Jane’s language (Jane can’t say “black market” because it associates blackness with being bad, Jane can’t say “woke” because it’s cultural appropriation, and so on). This is that annoying friend I was talking about! Which of course isn’t to say that Jane’s not typically the clueless privileged white girl of The Bold Type; she is, and I hate having to defend her. But c’mon Kat! Give us a break! Luckily Chloe also picks up on the vibes that Kat’s putting down. She encourages the friends – and all of us – to remember that as long as our heart is in the right place and we’re trying to make things better, that’s all that really matters.

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Listen, Kat’s figuring out her queerness and she just found out she was black like 2 years ago. Let her go through her “woke” phase it’ll pass. She’s reading alot of articles and going through twitter threads to figure it out.

But that woke off was hella cringey tho. And I don’t like how this episode made me agree with peak white girl Jane. That’s why Kat just needs to make some cool queer black friends so they can tell her she’s cool but just take it down a notch (like Tia perhaps)

 

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2 hours ago, Cranberry said:

Sutton and Jane clearly didn't appreciate being lectured for saying "black market" or "woke,"

I don't know if Sutton really reacted one way or the other I'd have to go back... For the black market one. I didn't mind.. I get where she's coming from and... Putting a stop to the innocuous lil comments that go by everyday withought thought is worthwhile.... The "woke" one made me scratch & shake my head,  which may have been the point.. Because I don't see what tiny Jane's race had to do with it... If she just shut down " Woke" because its cringe that woulda made more sense

So seems we're all in agreement that Kat is just a newly minted Warrior so she's being a bit extra... Let's just hope/pray etc... That the writers go somewhere with it and not just have her perpetually flummoxed by Jane's peak caucasity 

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15 hours ago, Cranberry said:

Yeah well, Kat Edison has hit that stage in her queer development.

It's not just someone coming out; anyone who's had a major life realization/change can become self-righteous. It's part of the process, alas for those of us who have to bear with it.

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Kat's correcting them all the time was annoying. 

Pinstripe seems like he is still hiding something.

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Just catching up after seeing the first 3 episodes of this season.

Jane's "if men had to do it, they'd find a better way than have their balls crushed" (approximate wording) is something anyone who ever had a mammogram thought. This procedure is an assault on biology  😞

It's also sad to me that the print edition ceased to be. I used to be a regular reader of the print editions of magazines that ceased to print, and their online successor never filled the void (not only are the articles shorter and more generic, but now I seldom click on an article that doesn't seem like it'd interest me, whereas in the past I used to read all articles, and learn a lot I had no idea I'd be interested in). But mostly, there's no sense of closeness (for me) in reading online. And I never reread anything, so the impact is not so great.

As for Jacqueline's marital woes, they would make sense if she had been unemployed for more than a minute. As it stands, it's weird that a reversal to the status quo of the last how many years causes so much problems. Was her husband who's now having his job opportunities left and right a stay home guy for 20 or so years until now? Jees, I wish it worked that way for stay at home women when they feel they want to go back to whatever they were doing 20 years before.

 

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Taking your BF to a sex party to solve your bedroom problems sound like taking someone afraid of open water to go deep sea diving. It was a good venue to find a random guy to kiss though.

I enjoyed the story about the vibrators. Sage is so open about all things sex but still very aware that others aren't - I quite like her as a character. Loved that she handed out toys left, right, and centre.

Its nice that alex got a professional break but judging by past seasons I doubt that we'll see much of him doing that in the future. The future, surely, is for Jane's struggles with her vertical.

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2 hours ago, Aulty said:

Jane's struggles with her vertical.

Oh the verticals lol

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1 hour ago, Artsda said:

So Jane kissing a guy, fixed everything. lol

I was really hoping Sutton or Kat might suggest that if she was going to kiss another man to fix her relationship perhaps there was a larger problem. Or that Pinstripe might tell her he realized the problem with them was that she's the most irritating person on the planet. Alas.

I guess the breakup will have to wait for when Jane really needs a story idea. 

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Lately they've been putting Jane in the ugliest lingerie.

58 minutes ago, jenrising said:

Pinstripe might tell her

Which reminds me, did he ever tell Jane what he wanted to say or was he overcome with lust?

8 hours ago, Aulty said:

I enjoyed the story about the vibrators. Sage is so open about all things sex but still very aware that others aren't - I quite like her as a character. Loved that she handed out toys left, right, and centre.

Same here! I also loved she personalized the vibrators, she didn't just hand out random ones to anyone who asked.

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Is anyone else starting to think that Pinstripe shared more than a kiss while on his book tour?  I wonder if he went to the sex club to tell Jane and clear his conscience.  

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5 hours ago, Koalagirl said:

Is anyone else starting to think that Pinstripe shared more than a kiss while on his book tour?  I wonder if he went to the sex club to tell Jane and clear his conscience.  

I thought he was going to tell her that too. That or that he realized he doesn't want her to kiss another guy.

I decided during this episode I would be way too much of a prude to work at Scarlett.

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5 hours ago, Koalagirl said:

Is anyone else starting to think that Pinstripe shared more than a kiss while on his book tour?  I wonder if he went to the sex club to tell Jane and clear his conscience.  

Some woman is gonna pop up pregnant with pjnstripe's maybe baby and all hell will break loose,  cuz he was really trying to talk to her.. But she wanted to smush.and apparently he can't really help himself

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19 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I decided during this episode I would be way too much of a prude to work at Scarlett.

LOL, same here! I'm all for sex positivity and women taking control of their bodies, but I can't talk about my own stuff the way the women so openly do.

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I totally forgot this season even premiered. I just binged the first four episodes and...whew.

 

1. Queen of White Privilege Jacqueline is tiresome. It's real easy for her to buck the board and do what she wants when she has a golden parachute waiting for her at home. She was insubordinate and should have been shit canned. I also don't blame her husband for pissing off and accepting the job abroad. She didn't even discuss her decision to return to work with him. She just expected him to deal with her choice. Bad Move.

2. Jane - Girl, your boyfriend is desperately trying to break up with you. It's why he kissed a another woman and told you about it in the first place. Consciously or not, he was trying to get you to dump him so he didn't have to do it. He doesn't want to be in a relationship. Let him go and stop making everything a Grey's Anatomy episode. As for why doesn't she write about anything else but herself, see every once-popular woman's online magazine - xoJane, The Frisky, Elite Daily, Into The Gloss. Personal memoir is a huge traffic driver. Everybody loves a trainwreck. I fell down the rabbit hole of Medium recently and...yikes. It's a bunch of navel gazing drama llamas.

3. The sex toy storyline - No interest in watching characters of either sex masturbate. It's just gratuitous and serves no purpose to the story. That office seems like a hot bed of misconduct. The Cut did a great piece about the downfall of Babe.net, the site that broke the Aziz Ansari misconduct story. Behind the scenes, it was a trainwreck. Male higher ups screwing young female writers, lots of drunkenness, absolutely no self-awareness and a hostile work environment.

4. Sutton - Love you. Adore you. Want to skin you and wear you as a suit. (TM Jack McFarland.) But please for the love of god stop screwing your boyfriend at the office and jerking him off in elevators. Like, stop. STOP.

5. BT Writers - Why are men listed as sole writers for certain episodes? That's all kinds of sketchy.

 

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So Alex gets an actual subplot two weeks in a row! What kind of miracle is this?! I feel like giving relationship advice on a live stream would be really stressful, especially having a bunch of them all coming in super quickly, really he did a lot better than I think a lot of people would! So is the tech woman he met and bantered with a bit going to end up as his next love interest? It would be nice to see Alex finally get some luck in the love department! 

If Jane has to kiss a guy at a sex party to keep her relationship with Pinstripe on track, that seems to like a bad sign. Oh well, I guess Jane is putting off her breakup until she needs more material to mine from! 

It was nice to see Sage getting some more material, and the vibrator plot was fun, even if it was Kat getting yet another cause to fight against (and less complex than last weeks) as her plot of the week. I never thought I would say this, but those were cute vibrators! 

I hope we explore a bit more of Suttons conflicting feelings about marrying Richard, this wealthy guy who likes to share his wealth with Sutton, including Sutton staying at his fancy apartment. From what we heard about Sutton, she had a rather working class tough background with her barfly mom and they frequently struggled with money, so suddenly living this upper class lifestyle could be a shock to her system, even after working at a glamorous magazine. 

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On 2/14/2020 at 2:22 PM, Koalagirl said:

Is anyone else starting to think that Pinstripe shared more than a kiss while on his book tour?  I wonder if he went to the sex club to tell Jane and clear his conscience.  

Me! I think he's hiding something more.

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Count me in the boat with thinking that there's more to the Pinstripe story.  Because there is no way that a more progressive show like this one would want to say: Sex Club + Kissing Random Guy in Sex Club + Claiming to know how your bf feels without actually giving him the chance to talk + Sex in a Sex Club = Relationship Solved!

On a side note: Is Sutton trying to be a fashion influencer through her own Instagram or through the Scarlet Insta?  At the end, I thought I saw Sutton's photo under the Scarlet name.  It would be difficult for her to maintain her own personal brand if Scarlet owns all of the photos.  Though maybe I'm reading too much into it and Scarlet posting her photo was just intended to be a signal boost?

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I'm glad Jane finally got rebuked for how little work she does. Also though, at no publication can you just completely change your article and not get the OK from your editor first (though some do try). It was a terrible article to begin with anyway: what Scarlet staffers think of weddings. Who cares?

More Andrew, please.

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Oliver, Andrew, Sage, Alex - more of them!! (I know its sad that in a female centred show I end up cheering for the boys)

Its getting a bit repetitive that so many of the core 3's stories have happy endings with Sutton, Kat or Jane as the knightesses in shining armor. Sutton solving Oliver's problems with his daughter, Kat and all her social justice quests, Jane and - actually don't even get me started on Jane. Of course Jane was the one to unlock Jaqueline's relationship dilemma.

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If Jane was such a good writer, she could have come up with an article that was really about marriage without feeling like she was lying about Jacqueline while also not telling her boss about hearing the phone call. She talked to a ton of people. And there must be at least one other married person at Scarlett. She just was mad that not everyone loves weddings as much as her. I personally thought the stuff about bouquets of garlic was interesting.

I think it is interesting for them to explore Kat being with men again. She was very into them before Adena, so it makes sense that she'd be attracted to both genders.

I must be really old, because during Sutton's talk with the principal I was siding with him. Just tell the kid to wear the uniform at school like she is supposed to. It is not a big deal.

 

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On 2/18/2020 at 9:23 PM, zenithwit said:

 

On a side note: Is Sutton trying to be a fashion influencer through her own Instagram or through the Scarlet Insta?  At the end, I thought I saw Sutton's photo under the Scarlet name.  It would be difficult for her to maintain her own personal brand if Scarlet owns all of the photos.  Though maybe I'm reading too much into it and Scarlet posting her photo was just intended to be a signal boost?

Through her own Instagram. In the pictures that she took for Scarlet for the wedding issue, her own Insta handle was tagged and that's how people were finding her. 

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For a wedding episode, it probably would have been better to have they guys in it. What does Pinstripe think of commitment? What about Richard wanting his own ideas on the wedding?

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Is it just me, or does Jacqueline's hairstyle this season really age her? She needs to go back to her short, non chignon hair.

LOL, I posted the above while I was still watching the episode, & then I saw the end. I wonder if they gave her that hairstyle for that reason.

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18 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

She talked to a ton of people.

Ugh, I know. Jane couldn't cobble together something without Jacqueline's story? Some writer.

I also had to laugh that of course her parents' marriage was perfect. I doubt she'd have been shattered to hear that her parents went through some rough patches that weren't related to her mom's illness. But then again, this is Jane.

I liked the stuff with Oliver's daughter. It's nice to see his life fleshed out a bit more.

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Of course Jane listened to that recording. OF COURSE SHE DID. And of course she told Jacqueline because she thinks Jacqueline is her peer and not her boss.

Kat's a snob. Sutton is characteristically angsty. Jacqueline teaches Jane a life lesson after Jane blows something out of proportion.

This show has really gotten repetitive.

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There was really no one else married at the whole magazine that Jane could have written about? It just HAD to be Jacqueline? If Jane was the best and most awesome reporter ever like we keep getting told, she really should have found something else good to write about. I did love her getting a rebuke for her shoddy work, its really amazing that more of her articles dont turn out half assed, considering how much time she spends messing about in the Fashion Closet or dealing with personal stuff. 

Kat dating men for a bit again could be interesting, and would help the common TV trope where a character says they're bisexual, but almost always sticks with one gender or another. I get why she was mostly dating women for awhile (exploring the cool new things!) but her going to different genders has some potential. At least it will be something different than white knighting all over the place. 

The stuff with Oliver's daughter was pretty good, I feel happy to be retroactively justified to have thought that stuffy prep school headmaster seemed to have a point about the uniforms when Oliver basically said the exact same thing he did about how uniforms encouraged creative thinking and kept students from focusing too much on clothes and more time on school. I liked seeing more of Oliver and his family, and he and Sutton have a really sweet bond. Sutton seems to have a lot of worries about this wedding, I hope that it actually does happen. 

I wish we had explored millennial wedding trends a bit more. I am a millennial, have just started planning a wedding, and I could use some ideas!

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Just saw the actress who plays Sutton in an infomercial for ScalpMed.  Her picture caught my eye as it flashed across the screen, but it was one of those "That looks like....no that's not her."  But I had to watch to see if she came up again, and when she did and started talking, it was definitely her.  She was one of the "actual users". Lol!  Must have been an early acting job.

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12 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

he and Sutton have a really sweet bond.

If Sutton doesn't walk herself down the aisle (or have Jane and Cat do it), I hope she asks Oliver.

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When Jane was on the phone with her dad he said, of her writing, "you are always looking for the personal angle" and I couldn't stop laughing. 

The show writers have to be trolling at this point. 

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As long as I don’t have to see Jane having an orgasm for the hundredth time, I’m good with this show.

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