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I'm just watching.  Dear God, has there ever been a more nasty, vile, little see you next Tuesday than Frankie?  I went through a can't stand mom phase, my daughter did too, but to this extent? Never.  I hope Pamela's real daughter/s weren't like this.  Apparently even Frankie's friends (how does she even have friends?) cannot impart any awareness of what a loving mother she has.  Damn.  Will Frankie ever grow the fuck up?

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I get way too defensive on behalf of Sam. My mother was nothing like her, except Sam reminds me of her because every kid who had a terrible home life could come to my house (but not stay indefinitely without parental permission, good grief) and be fed and comforted and loved by a smart-ass, no nonsense but amazingly loving woman  (guess she was something like Sam). Mother's Days were basically all my friends and my sisters' friends calling or visiting my mom (half of them called her Mom) . So I almost didn't make it through this season, because it crossed the line into too hard to watch. But I'm glad I kept going, because there's nothing else like it and when it works, it really works. 

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5 hours ago, HoneyBeach said:

First time poster, long time lurker.  I had to post to say I am not a violent person, but it was all I could do not to slap that brat's face through the tv! My own teen daughter would never speak to me like this because she knows I'm her mother, not her friend. And IF anything close to this situation ever happened between us, I would not be paying her bills or fixing her chili. Even if I was home crying and praying to God she was ok, I would not let her walk all over me. She's my only child and I love her more than anything, but NO!

OMG, me too! I’m a social worker and generally a “nice person” and fairly easygoing Mom, but I was  texting my friend (who also watches)  during the show, “I fucking HATE this kid!” I will say I thought the birthday card was kind of sweet, and was impressed that Frankie (assuming that was really the voice of the actress who plays her) lwas really the actresses Voice can sings pretty well. But Jesus Christ what an entitled little cunt!

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I'll bet this is the same kind of family that pays to get these children in top colleges pretending to be scholars and trophy winners!

I'm not really sure of the point Sam is trying to make?  Is this real life in California?

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On 5/17/2019 at 3:38 PM, pasdetrois said:

They are self-satisfied and smug about their group entitlement. 

You know, maybe you have found the answer as to why this show is portraying everything about this family in an absurd, unrealistic way.  Maybe this is just another show trying to shove the current political climate down our throats, insinuating white people are all entitled and stupid. 

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9 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

But Frankie's got a lot of safety nets. Her friends' parents are not only willing to have somebody else's kid move in with them for no particular reason but when they go away on vacation they enlist grandma to come and stay with her? It doesn't occur to them to tell her she needs to leave either. Sam continues to trail after her begging even though as her shrink pointed out, she's perfectly safe. There's literally no reason to worry about her getting into trouble. She's still enjoying all the benefits Sam provides like money and tutors and a phone etc. (And a bathtub when she feels gross.)

Yeah, Frankie has the ability to live in a cloistered fantasyland where she can just leave her mother's house for a couple of weeks, for no real reason, be taken in by caring people and have a mother who takes all the crap that Frankie throws in her face, and seemingly comes back for more.  If this show existed in any kind of reality, I think Frankie's friends parents would have told her she needed to go home a long time ago, and Sam would have reigned down hell on her for the way she was acting.  

And what was up with Max and her friends just hanging out in Max's room in their underwear in the middle of the day?  Is this actually a thing that teenage girls do now?

I will say I actually did sympathize with Sam's reaction when her friend invited his boyfriend to their lunch without telling her.  That was a jerk move, IMO.    

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2 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

Yeah, Frankie has the ability to live in a cloistered fantasyland where she can just leave her mother's house for a couple of weeks, for no real reason, be taken in by caring people and have a mother who takes all the crap that Frankie throws in her face, and seemingly comes back for more.  If this show existed in any kind of reality, I think Frankie's friends parents would have told her she needed to go home a long time ago, and Sam would have reigned down hell on her for the way she was acting.  

And what was up with Max and her friends just hanging out in Max's room in their underwear in the middle of the day?  Is this actually a thing that teenage girls do now?

I will say I actually did sympathize with Sam's reaction when her friend invited his boyfriend to their lunch without telling her.  That was a jerk move, IMO.    

So much all of this.  In a normal world, there would be no participating in a concert, no phones, no hanging with friends, no making special meals, no choice about staying or not staying...none of this would be tolerated.

The underwear party was weird.

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2 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

And what was up with Max and her friends just hanging out in Max's room in their underwear in the middle of the day?  Is this actually a thing that teenage girls do now?

I know! Also I still haven't gotten my questions about where all these kids come from. I know I can't just project my own life onto other people but it still seems like Max is in high school and that's why she's got all her same friends hanging around with her as if none of them went to college. Really, none of these people left home?

It was funny when the doctor told her to focus on the two kids she still had at home because one of those kids isn't supposed to be at home, sleeping with people in her bedroom so Sam can worry about whether she's going to get pregnant or not. She's probably buying her condoms.

2 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I will say I actually did sympathize with Sam's reaction when her friend invited his boyfriend to their lunch without telling her.  That was a jerk move, IMO.    

It totally was. It amazes me when people are clueless that way. I did like how when we met the guy he really did seem like Sam seemed to think of him as. He just seemed really ordinary and kind of awkward. Not in a bad way. I wouldn't hold it against him. But it wasn't like when he appeared you could tell right away what her friend saw in him.

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I felt for both Sam and Rich when they were having lunch. I know people are capable of multitasking and I'm fine with it if it's quick, but when you are supposed to be having lunch with your BFF, (1) don't spend the entire time making videos and sending them to your boyfriend (2) listen to your friend when she is complaining that she hasn't spoken to her teen child in over a week (3) DO NOT INVITE YOUR BOYFRIEND WITHOUT TELLING YOUR BFF AHEAD OF TIME.

I've been in a similar situation where I was supposed to meet a friend for coffee/drinks/dinner and then they showed up with their boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse. And it's not that I don't like the other person either. It's just a different dynamic if you think you're going to have one on one time with your friend versus more of a group vibe. You're not joined at the hip, so just let me know beforehand. Maybe I'll bring Mr. EB if you're going to bring your significant other! It's not a huge deal, but if you want to walk about something personal or more private, that can kind of kill it.

But I also see Rich's complaint - Sam wants him all to herself. I'm not saying she's a bad friend because she hs been shown to be very kind and generous with her friends, but I do think that she has the expectation that Rich will drop anything for her whenever she needs him.

Once again, Frankie is a pill. She just left without telling her MOTHER where she was going and has not contacted her for eight days. She is a 14 year old minor so no, that is not acceptable behavior. I know that Sam is in a tough spot because she can't make Frankie come home and she doesn't want to drive her away even more. Her only legal recourse would be to report her as a runway but even if she does that, her options are limited. She can find out where Frankie is and the police can take her home, but that will only cause more resentment and Frankie will leave the next chance she gets.

But what really gets me is Frankie's ridiculous sense of entitlement. She is acting like a brat. She refuses to tell her mom where she is, she didn't tell her why she was mad enough to leave in the first place, and then when Sam showed up at the restaurant, Frankie was rude as fuck.

And somehow Frankie manages to be polite and helpful and even help with the dishes when she's at Obsidian's house, but she is a rude, lazy brat who doesn't lift a finger to help when she's at her mom's house. And then she texts her little sister to magnanimously grant her permission to enter her bedroom - but only to fetch her homework binder. She acts like everyone in her family is there to do her bidding.

11 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I'm not really sure of the point Sam is trying to make?  Is this real life in California?

I can't speak for every family in California, but I grew up here, as did Mr. EB, and I can tell you that neither of us grew up like that (nor did our friends). Mr. EB's younger cousins did not grow up like that either. I'm sure that for some people, this is real life but definitely not the people I am/was friends with. I know people who were very well off growing up in California, but none of them were as blatantly rude and disrespectful as Frankie is to Sam. It's just mind boggling to me how she mouths off to her mother. I never would have dared to speak to my parents like that! The hilarious thing is that my parents thought I was such a problem child because I would complain that my curfew was too early (10pm on the weekends) and I ditched a few days in high school. If only they knew how easy they had it with me compared to someone like Frankie!

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4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

And somehow Frankie manages to be polite and helpful and even help with the dishes when she's at Obsidian's house, but she is a rude, lazy brat who doesn't lift a finger to help when she's at her mom's house. And then she texts her little sister to magnanimously grant her permission to enter her bedroom - but only to fetch her homework binder. She acts like everyone in her family is there to do her bidding.

When Duke was reading that and looking angry I thought she was going to go into her room and do whatever she wanted. Certainly I wouldn't be fetching her homework binder for her or anything else!

That's the thing with Sam--I get her not wanting to be a big heavy and call the police or whatever, but it's hard for me to relate to somebody who would react to this by begging--exactly what Frankie insulted her for at the restaurant. She's got all these people giving her reports and feeling sorry for her while just gently tiptoeing around Frankie being an asshole. But presumably this is what Frankie is going for. If Sam acted like I would in that situation--ignoring her completely and enjoying her non-presence--Frankie would probably not get the reassurance she needs or whatever it is she needs.

I thought her card was obnoxious too, frankly. Just her showing off again how cool she was.

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Wasn’t the underwear party a photo shoot?

I don’t know what PA is trying to say with this show. It has a core of real issues, and then it blows them up into things I don’t recognize. 

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I enjoyed the first season of this show. This season is way too over the top. I think Pamela Adlon believes she is the cutest, quirkiest actress/director/producer on tv. Her portrayal of a clueless, indulgent mother leaves me cold. If you wanted to convince someone not to have children, suggest that they watch this show. I've never been around such selfish, bratty kids as the two oldest two girls are. They all need to go to a therapist because that is a very dysfunctional household. I won't be watching the next season.

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15 hours ago, Ottis said:

Wasn’t the underwear party a photo shoot?

10 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

Was it?  Max was in her underwear too, so I was guessing not?

They were all just hanging out in Max's bedroom so I assumed they were her friends (apparently none of them left the LA area for college since we saw several of them in the previous episode when Sam yelled at those kids in the kitchen).

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I like Duke. I wondered how she got the card and balloon on her own, though, and I was disappointed that we didn't see Sam find it. It's like the show is only interested in showing Sam wallowing masochistically in the ways her children abuse her patience.

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I can't blame the kids for being selfish entitled brats. My two nieces are the same... worse even. I never spend time with them cuz they are insufferable. My brother is beside himself about how difficult they are, and how they don't act like adults even though they are now in their early 20's. Everytime he complains, I remind him that he was basically a crap parent and he created this situation and it isn't going to fix itself just cuz they aged into adults. Sad but true. 

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At one point the little one tells Sam not to talk to grandma a certain way.

So maybe the two older one model their behavior after the blatant disdain Sam displays towards Phil, no matter how awful Phil is.

Yeah Sam is a doormat to her daughters but maybe that’s why she’s generally loved?

I’d forgotten about the plane crash dream but I can be bothered to go back and see what happened and why that ghost has been around the whole season.

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