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Jennifer told Eric the truth about Nicole having shredded the evidence which would have proven Kristen raped him, because, as Jennifer told Daniel, she didn't trust him to tell it.  Daniel took offense at her not seeing him in his shining armor.

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think Daniel Cosgrove is a handsome man and he looks great but I don't think he really looks "young" for his age.

 

I can't believe he is 43.  I was thinking he looked 35... Maybe it makes a difference if you know the actor?   

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Yeah I used to watch Daniel on 90210 back in the day, and all the cast mates are now in there early forties, so I don't think I associate him being younger than that.  To me he is handsome, just a handsome early forties man. 

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I have to say that's not not what I was expecting to hear.  I'm trying to think how any of that would be her business. But I'm thankful, because I never thought they had any chemistry.

 

Jen was correct about Dan though. He knew about what Nicole did for weeks and kept giving her chances to tell the truth. If Jen hadn't done it for him Eric would probably still be in the dark.

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I was trying to remember when Jennifer first showed up. I don't remember any parents (who are they?), did she come to live with Tom and Alice, or maybe Mickey and Maggie because said parents were out of the picture?

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I was trying to remember when Jennifer first showed up. I don't remember any parents (who are they?), did she come to live with Tom and Alice, or maybe Mickey and Maggie because said parents were out of the picture?

 

I believe Jennifer sprang fully formed from Alice's muffin tin - like the Salem version of the Venus coming to life on the half shell.

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@annabel when JJ was first on the show, he hated that Jennifer was with Daniel, because he felt that she was forgetting his father too soon, so he acted out.  He was doing drugs with Rory and Bev, and was also selling pot.  Theresa was a big druggie, and she got him to come over to her house and tried to get him to try something, I don't remember if they ever said what it was she was taking, but JJ wouldn't take it, and Theresa OD'd, so JJ called Daniel for help, and when Daniel protected him so he wouldn't go to jail, and even took flak for having been in Theresa's apartment (everybody though Daniel was sleeping with her, and he wouldn't give it up that he was only there because JJ called him).

 

Theresa had recorded him in her apartment and had a recording of him doing drugs with her (just pot, but still), and he had to keep his nose clean after he had been caught with drugs, also caught involved in a shoplifting that he was innocent of, and trashed the book store because he had found out about Jack having raped Kayla when they were married, so Theresa was blackmailing him to get him to get her drugs.  He trapped her by taking a check from the hospital that Abigail had, and put it where Theresa could find it, and when she went to cash it for her own use, he recorded her, so they were even.

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Yep, Carrie is Roman's daughter with Anna who then went on to fall for, and marry, Tony Dimera. I love Anna and I so wish she had more scenes with Carrie. The last time Anna was around I don't even remember the two sharing scenes at all. I actually wish Anna were around more period. She's way more interesting as a character and as an ex-Brady than Marlena ever was (not including when she was the Salem Stalker). So, naturally, she hasn't been seen in years.

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Carrie is Roman's daughter with Anna, right? So if Marlena favored her over Sami, that must have been extra hard.

The irony is that Sami is much more like Anna Dimera, and Carrie tends to take after Marlena.  

 

To be fair I would say that yes, John, Marlena, and Roman may have seemed like they favored Carrie a little more but I have to say those lines have gotten blurred since Sami was a delinquent teenager.  Since that point it has become a more chicken and egg syndrome of what came first, Sami causing them hell, or them not treating her fairly.

 

I blame John, Roman, and Marlena for not always treating Sami fairly but I actually don't blame them or begrudge them the fact that they liked Carrie better.  

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When I very first was watching the show, for some reason Anna was in a big drape-y brown monk-type robe and maybe being kept away from her family against her will. Because of Anna I have always loved Leann Hunley, even though no other role has ever quite matched up.

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On and off watcher here.   I watch so sporadically that I'm far enough removed from the warping and destruction of characters I like to still actually like them.  Always been a Sami fan & EJ gives me lady wood no matter what he's doing.  I am admittedly only tuning in now to see the final Sami scheme and drool over EJ for awhile.  Other than trying not to laugh at Lucky as Eric and Ethan as Brady, I'm pretty caught up on things. 

 

But here's where I can't catch up.  I know what Kristen did to Eric, but what the hell did she do to Brady that's got everyone acting all weird?  He's all shell shocked like she kept him chained up naked, forced to watch Kristen & John/Marlena & Stephano home porn while she meticulously plucked every hair off his body and chattered on in that crazy Miseryish upbeat sing song tone and he's scared to admit that he enjoyed it and it's time for manscaping again.

 

Seriously, Brady and Eric are bigger pearl clutchers than any female Salem victim ever. 

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But here's where I can't catch up.  I know what Kristen did to Eric, but what the hell did she do to Brady that's got everyone acting all weird?  

Oh Steff, let me fill your ear! Kristen came back in town a while back to seek revenge on John, Brady's dad. She decided the best way to do it was to make Brady fall in love with her and then John and Marlena would be MAD, see? Brady, being the stupid dumbass that he is, fell for Kristen hard and asked her to marry him. But while this was happening, John saw through Kristen's wicked game and tried to make her sleep with him so that Brady could see what a duplicitous bitch she was. John was married to Marlena but failed to tell her about his grand plan because it was hella stupid as we all could see. Kristen saw through John's tricks but decided to make him sleep with her to get back at Marlena because why not? Well, John and Kristen fell on a bed and did a bunch of really gross kissing (John's kissing technique is yuk), but all it accomplished was making Marlena break up with John (and who could blame her?) and Brady to hate his dad for his scheme (and who could blame him?) and Brady still want to marry his precious flower blossom Kristen. So all John accomplished was making his wife and son hate his guts. You can see where Brady gets his smarts from.

 

Meanwhile, Kristen (even though by now she loves Brady for realz because why not) decides to take further revenge on John and Marlena by hatching the dumbest fucking plan since time began and rapes Father Eric (Marlena's son) by drugging him and dressing up as a french maid. Eric doesn't know what happened when it's all over except he's really sick from the drugs. But never fear! Kristen thoughtfully videotaped the rape and put it on a flash drive that she paraded around town and lovingly caressed at every opportunity. Marlena and Victor knew that if they could just get their hands on the flash drive, they could prove what a duplicitous bitch Kristen was and stop the wedding to Brady. Well, they finally got the flash drive and Victor gave it to Marlena and told her to play it DURING THE WEDDING!! and it would stop the wedding cold. No shit.  Day of the most WTF wedding arrives and Kristen comes out like Disco Princess Barbie (you MUST see the wedding dress!) and she and Brady are saying vows and then Marlena plays the rape tape IN THE CHURCH! with everyone watching! Brady thinks Kristen and Eric had real sex not rape and he's mad at Eric and punches him out. Drama, tears, etc, etc

 

Anyways, he now knows the truth about Kristen and hates her for all her bad deeds. But he still wants her too so he hates her for that also. Dude has rage issues in case you didn't notice.

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Oh Steff, let me fill your ear! Kristen came back in town a while back to seek revenge on John, Brady's dad. She decided the best way to do it was to make Brady fall in love with her and then John and Marlena would be MAD, see? Brady, being the stupid dumbass that he is, fell for Kristen hard and asked her to marry him. But while this was happening, John saw through Kristen's wicked game and tried to make her sleep with him so that Brady could see what a duplicitous bitch she was. John was married to Marlena but failed to tell her about his grand plan because it was hella stupid as we all could see. Kristen saw through John's tricks but decided to make him sleep with her to get back at Marlena because why not? Well, John and Kristen fell on a bed and did a bunch of really gross kissing (John's kissing technique is yuk), but all it accomplished was making Marlena break up with John (and who could blame her?) and Brady to hate his dad for his scheme (and who could blame him?) and Brady still want to marry his precious flower blossom Kristen. So all John accomplished was making his wife and son hate his guts. You can see where Brady gets his smarts from.

 

Meanwhile, Kristen (even though by now she loves Brady for realz because why not) decides to take further revenge on John and Marlena by hatching the dumbest fucking plan since time began and rapes Father Eric (Marlena's son) by drugging him and dressing up as a french maid. Eric doesn't know what happened when it's all over except he's really sick from the drugs. But never fear! Kristen thoughtfully videotaped the rape and put it on a flash drive that she paraded around town and lovingly caressed at every opportunity. Marlena and Victor knew that if they could just get their hands on the flash drive, they could prove what a duplicitous bitch Kristen was and stop the wedding to Brady. Well, they finally got the flash drive and Victor gave it to Marlena and told her to play it DURING THE WEDDING!! and it would stop the wedding cold. No shit.  Day of the most WTF wedding arrives and Kristen comes out like Disco Princess Barbie (you MUST see the wedding dress!) and she and Brady are saying vows and then Marlena plays the rape tape IN THE CHURCH! with everyone watching! Brady thinks Kristen and Eric had real sex not rape and he's mad at Eric and punches him out. Drama, tears, etc, etc

 

Anyways, he now knows the truth about Kristen and hates her for all her bad deeds. But he still wants her too so he hates her for that also. Dude has rage issues in case you didn't notice.

Just wanted to add on thing, during the course of Kristen's plan she actually legitimately fell in love with Brady.  Which is why she didn't sleep with John.

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Just wanted to add on thing, during the course of Kristen's plan she actually legitimately fell in love with Brady.  Which is why she didn't sleep with John.

But she did kiss him a whole bunch with lots of John Black slobber. I forget how she got out of the room after rolling around on the bed with him. I was too grossed out by the yawning cavern of John's mouth as it descended on Kristen's face.

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Last time I watched Days Nick was upset because he slept with Chelsea's mom.  How did Nick become a bad guy that everyone in town wanted to kill him?  And someone did

  Who is Brady's mom?  

Is Carrie still with Austin?  Are Sammi and Carrie now on good terms.

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Brady's mom is Victor's daughter Isabella. She died of cancer shortly after he was born.

 

Carrie is still with Austin. She and Sami had been on good terms, but then the writers decided it'd be entertaining to do a sort of role reversal - Carrie fell for Sami's then-husband Rafe and they had an emotional affair. Sami threw Rafe out when she learned about it, but then he divorced her when he found out that she had slept with EJ, and Carrie and Rafe decided they would be together. But then Carrie found out she was pregnant by hubby Austin, and decided to leave town with him. Rafe and Sami eventually reconciled, only to break up permanently when it was revealed that her son Will was the father of his sister Gabi's baby.

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Last time I watched Days Nick was upset because he slept with Chelsea's mom.  How did Nick become a bad guy that everyone in town wanted to kill him?  And someone did

  Who is Brady's mom?  

Is Carrie still with Austin?  Are Sammi and Carrie now on good terms.

 

Nick got into drugs and started stalking Melanie (Maggie's granddaughter, Daniel's daughter), and kidnapped her, then killed her abusive stepfather, so he went to jail.  While he was in jail, he was raped, and when he came out, he was homophobic and hated Will and Sonny; he fell in love with Gabi and tried to get Will's daughter away from him so that he could raise her with Gabi.  When the guy who raped him got out of jail, he came after Nick, and he shot Will while Will was protecting Nick, and it was hoped that they would be good, but the writers made Nick evil again, and he became possessive of Gabi and tried to control her life.

(brief version of the story)

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Brady's mom is Victor's daughter Isabella. She died of cancer shortly after he was born.

 

Carrie is still with Austin. She and Sami had been on good terms, but then the writers decided it'd be entertaining to do a sort of role reversal - Carrie fell for Sami's then-husband Rafe and they had an emotional affair. Sami threw Rafe out when she learned about it, but then he divorced her when he found out that she had slept with EJ, and Carrie and Rafe decided they would be together. But then Carrie found out she was pregnant by hubby Austin, and decided to leave town with him. Rafe and Sami eventually reconciled, only to break up permanently when it was revealed that her son Will was the father of his sister Gabi's baby.

Just wanted to add that while Carrie and Rafe were getting closer, Abigail was plotting for Austin and causing issues in his marriage with Carrie.  Abigail made Austin believe that they had slept together, it drove a wedge between Austin and Carrie and she was available to give into her feelings for Rafe.

 

This all happened while Austin and Carrie were back in town for a few months.  Carrie and Sami were on recent good terms and then the writers decided to throw all that away.  Then when the producers of the show were fired and new ones were brought in, Christie Clark and Patrick Muldoon were let out of their contracts and they wrote Austin and Carrie as pregnant and reconciled, they left town, and they just had a daughter (?) off screen.

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I'd also like to point out that Carrie really wanted Rafe and only stayed with Austin because she found out she was pregnant. Austin knew Carrie and Rafe were having an emotional affair but I don't think he ever realized how "in love" they were He definitely doesn't know that his wife was planning on leaving him. That's some happy ending.

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Nick got into drugs and started stalking Melanie (Maggie's granddaughter, Daniel's daughter), and kidnapped her, then killed her abusive stepfather, so he went to jail.  While he was in jail, he was raped, and when he came out, he was homophobic and hated Will and Sonny; he fell in love with Gabi and tried to get Will's daughter away from him so that he could raise her with Gabi.  When the guy who raped him got out of jail, he came after Nick, and he shot Will while Will was protecting Nick, and it was hoped that they would be good, but the writers made Nick evil again, and he became possessive of Gabi and tried to control her life.

(brief version of the story)

 

 

Wanted to add that Nick was dating or wanting to date Chelsea for a bit before he slept with Billie and that was shot to hell.  Chelsea started dating Max, her non-blood-related uncle (uncle, right?), who turned out to be Melanie's half-brother, and then whoops! just kidding, he wasn't.  He had the drugs for a head injury he acquired when killing Melanie's step-dad (whom she thought was her bio dad and then whoops! just kidding, he wasn't) and then became hooked on them.  His personality changed starting then.  IIRC, Nick didn't remember that he had killed him, at first, right? 

 

 

 

Reading these storylines all laid out like this, really shows how completely fucked up soaps are.  lol  That whole John/Marlena/Kristen/Brady/Eric mess, wonderfully summarized by sunnyheart, omg.   Can't believe I sat through that crap. 

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Yes, Sami was around when Susan was impersonating Kristen.  I don't know if they ever had any scenes together but Sami was around.  Ironically Will is supposed to be older than EJ.  I don't remember if Sami was at the wedding, because it was John and Kristen's wedding and Sami still hated John then so I doubt that she was there.  I do remember that Carrie and Mike were there.

 

Yeah during the course of Susan impersonating Kristen she fell in love with John and wanted him for herself, so she double crossed Kristen and trapped her in the same cellar that Kristen was holding Marlena in.  So during the Kristen and John wedding it was actually Susan who was marrying John. 

 

Marlena never held Susan's actions against her, and even invited Susan and baby EJ to move in the penthouse with her, which they did.

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Why did Susan get a free pass? And why didn't Kristen or Stefano go after her?

 

Susan's crimes, including her rape of John, were seen as Kristen's and Stefano's fault by Marlena (and, therefore, everyone else since one of the prevailing attitudes of the show is that everyone must agree with Marlena's assessment of other characters to remain classified as Good themselves).  Susan was viewed as being completely, 100% manipulated by them, and she ended up liking Marlena so she wasn't held accountable.  Kristen went after her near the end of Davidson's run but I don't think Stefano cared enough.  If he did ever go after Susan it was once or twice and didn't register with me.  I remember him dressing up as Elvis and raping her to conceive EJ (like father like son) but that was before she turned on Kristen and the plan to trap John.

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I remember him dressing up as Elvis and raping her to conceive EJ

Stefano wanted her to have the baby he put in her so he wasn't going to go after her.  Although I think going to England was to get away from all of the Dimeras. Because that Kristen?  She is just mean, mean, mean.

Gosh some of you have really great memories. 

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Could someone give me a quick summary of Chad? He's EJ's brother but who are his parents? When did he show up and why? He was in love with Abigail but left town, why? And how much retconning was involved in introducing this character?

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Why did Susan get a free pass? And why didn't Kristen or Stefano go after her?

Kristen did try and go after her that is how she ended up in slavery.  She intended for Susan to be sold into slavery and Susan turned the tables on her again and Kristen wound up in the harem.  When Susan, Edmund, and EJ escaped to England Stefano was under the impression that Kristen had succeeded and kidnapped EJ to raise him as her own.  Stefano was fine with this for the time being.

 

It was later revealed that Stefano did find Susan and EJ eventually and that is when he knew that Kristen must be out there. When Kristen returned she admitted that she owed Stefano for helping get her out of the harem, and that is why she had to go into intensive therapy to deal with what happened to her.

 

Also Stefano dressed up as Elvis and seduced Susan but he didn't rape her. 

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Could someone give me a quick summary of Chad? He's EJ's brother but who are his parents? When did he show up and why? He was in love with Abigail but left town, why? And how much retconning was involved in introducing this character?

Chad's parents are Medeline Woods and Stefano.  Chad started out on the show as Will's best friend.  Chad and his girlfriend Mia became pregnant, that child was Grace, who was switched with Sydney at birth and who was raised by Sami and Rafe.  So whenever Sami mentions that she has five children, Grace is the fifth child.  Grace eventually died.

 

Anyway Chad's mother was introduced when Chad and Will became close.  Madeline, Chad's mother was a successful lawyer but before that she was friends with Kate and was one of Stefano's high class hookers back in the day. Her and Kate were friends back in those Days.  Anyway when Kate and Stefano were married Will and by extension Chad were hanging out a lot at the Dimera mansion and it freaked Madeline out.  She forbade Chad to go to the mansion and wanted him to break off his friendship with Will because she didn't want Stefano to find out that Chad was her son and more importantly to find out that he was in fact Chad's father.  In the meantime of all this Chad had a "father" who raised him, but was sort of cruel and distant.  Anyway the truth came out and Chad's mother had a horrible fall down a flight of stairs and died.  Chad's "father" sort of abandoned him after the mom died and he found out he was Stefano's son.  

 

During this time Chad swore off Stefano and didn't want anything to do with him.  It was actually Kate who convinced Chad to embrace Stefano as his father.  That and the fact that Chad was getting really close to Lexi and EJ.  Although Chad is a Dimera, he is probably the least involved in the family, outside of Benjy.  He has always put up a wall with Stefano, but got along great with Lexi and EJ.  In fact Chad always embraced Kate more than Stefano.  That is why Stefano in the past has tried to use Chad as a way to get Kate back.

 

Chad, Melanie, Gabi, and Abigail have a long history, but right before Chad left he was in a love triangle with Abby and Cameron (Celeste's son, Lexi's other brother).  He sort of took EJ's advice and manipulated Abby to chose him in the triangle.  She later found out and dumped him, before he was shot and left town.  He has been in Boston recovering for the last few months.

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JBC344 you are stellar in the answer department tonight, thanks! And if anyone feels like counting up, how many children does Stefano actually have??

Thanks so much, I love this thread.  It is a nice walk down memory lane.  Stefano's children are as follow.

 

Tony

Lexi

Meghan

Renee

Benjy

Kristen

Peter

EJ

Chad

Andre (Stefano's nephew but raised him like a son)

 

Kristen, Peter, EJ, and Chad are the only ones still living.  I believe Peter is either in jail or in hiding.  I would rather they not kill off any more of Stefano's children, it is getting to be a sick twisted joke now.

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Yes, Sami was around when Susan was impersonating Kristen.  I don't know if they ever had any scenes together but Sami was around.  Ironically Will is supposed to be older than EJ.  I don't remember if Sami was at the wedding, because it was John and Kristen's wedding and Sami still hated John then so I doubt that she was there.  I do remember that Carrie and Mike were there.

I had no idea that will was meant to be older than EJ.  I was watching when Will was conceived and when he was younger on and off, but didn't see the Susan Banks, Kristen, EJ birth era.  That is hilarious!

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I had no idea that will was meant to be older than EJ.  I was watching when Will was conceived and when he was younger on and off, but didn't see the Susan Banks, Kristen, EJ birth era.  That is hilarious!

In real life, EJ would be about 17 I think, with Will being about the correct age now, give or take a year.  Just to keep up the weirdness. Here is a clip of John, Kristen, Susan and toddlers Belle and Brady.  Pay close attention to Brady sitting on soon to be step-mom Kristen's lap.  Too much.

 

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Chronologically it should be:

Shawn D

Brady

Belle

Will and Abby

Phillip (Remember when Will and Phillip both lived in the Kiriakis mansion and shared a nanny?)

EJ

 

Now 

Brady and EJ are the same age

Belle is now 7 or 8 years younger than Brady as opposed to 2 years.

Brady is now older than Shawn D

Shawn D, Belle, and Phillip are all the same age

Will and Abby are still the same age and younger than everyone.

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I think Abby is considered older than Will, though she's been de-SORASed over the years.  Will is still technically in college though I don't know if he's still attending classes or not, but Abby is out of school.  On Ari's birth certificate, both Will and Gabi were listed as 20 years old, and that was less than two years ago.

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Oh I know, I didn't literally mean that Will and Abby are the same age, I meant more that they are in the same range of a couple of years and that hasn't changed despite the de-Sorasing of Abby.

 

I was using them more as a comparison to say Brady and Belle who were two years apart as well and are now 7-8 years apart in age.

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To answer the much earlier question on Jennifer's arrival - she is the daughter of Alice and Tom's son Bill Horton and his wife (and former sister-in-law) Laura.  She was conceived on their honeymoon and born literally on the show.  Laura gave birth on the kitchen table in a farmhouse.  I was in grade school and it made a big impression because Laura and Bill were middle aged and I was surprised by the whole thing (sadly, they were likely younger than I am now but I thought they were well past child-bearing).  

 

When Jen was a toddler, Laura went insane and put Jennifer on a bus out of town alone.  Jen was sent away to someone, and returned as Melissa Reeves, a teen.  She lived with Tom and Alice.  Bill and Laura were off the show.

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Bo and Hope were going to make love on her 18th birthday, but Doug interrupted them and had a heart attack.  Bo and Hope agreed to separate for Doug’s health, but were beginning to get drawn back together.  It was during this separation that Bo was secretly helping Roman with an undercover operation and Bo felt he needed to keep Hope away from him for her own protection.  Bo even faked that he had moved on by moving Diane into his apartment.  Hope was heartbroken and this is when Larry Welch moved in.  Larry though being married to a local socialite like Hope would advance his political career. He began dating Hope and she agreed to marry him when she thought she lost Bo.  It was at this wedding to Larry that Bo famously rode in on his motorcycle and kidnapped Hope.  Bo explained that all his actions were a ruse and that he did it all to protect Hope from danger.  While Bo and Hope are hiding in a barn because Bo stole a police motorcycle, Hope is kidnapped by some thugs who work for Larry and Max Hathaway when Bo steps away to investigate the sound of approaching sirens.  Max and Larry have their thugs brutally beat up Bo and blackmail Hope into marrying Larry or they will harm Bo, Tom and Alice Horton and all the people she cares about.

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