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I watched it on demand later and the same weird segue between hours happened for me, so it wasn't just a broadcast issue.

I'm going to chalk up the Bella/D'Von "conflict" to their personalities just not being complimentary from a teamwork standpoint (she's "on" and he's mellow), and the necessary editing to make an hour-long show. As was mentioned, Bella's not having time to work on the caramel could very well have been because she was making her egg salad, but the show didn't really make that clear, so it looked like she was just passing the buck. It wasn't a great look for either of them, but I'm not ready to write either of them off yet. And they seemed to be buddy-buddy during presentation so I don't think it was that big of a deal.

Watching some of the meltdowns during the retrospective brought home to me again that this season's kids are a very stoic bunch. The closest I think we've come to a breakdown (aside from post-elimination, that is) was Haylin when her raspberry dough wasn't working. But she just looked a little lost, got some bucking up from Namiah, and moved on. And as far as eliminations go, Cydney took it like a champ, quietly giggling all the way.

I think Keaton and Haylin are still overall the most consistent, but neither is dominating in a way that makes me sure of who is going to be there at the end. Which is a good thing, actually.

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On 1/12/2021 at 4:19 PM, eyelash said:

I'll meet you in Licorice Lagoon!  I bailed after the first episode and I doubt it ever got better.  But full disclosure - I may be the only person on Earth who finds Kristin Chenoweth obnoxious instead of adorable.

Table for two!  Cannot stand her!

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6 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Same happened to me. The competition part seemed to go a few minutes over 1hr, and it's like the 2nd part started right at the top of the hour, so it looked like they skipped the introduction and even part of the "award" they were giving out.

Surprised not to see some of the kids from the past, like Bryn, Nyah, Alex, Davey and others who appeared on the Halloween or holiday specials. Do you think Food Network didn't ask them? Or Food Network asked and they declined?

Also thought it was a little odd that they ended the retrospective on kind of a down-note looking at the biggest mistakes instead of something more positive. And in the future, I'd love to see some of the past contestants being included in the actual competition shows as guest judges or something like that.

 

Yes I thought that was odd too, that the second part seemed to start mid sentence. I was also hoping to see some different past kids this week, and I agree that it was a little cold to not only talk about the biggest mistakes and the worst tasting bite EVER, but to throw them back at the kids! I did not like how people thought the meme of Peggy? Abby? crying was funny, and especially including the current kids who spoke about it. We went from showing Annika starting the trend of helping another kid in need to laughing at a kid who was stressed out, with a meme made of it. I agree that Cydney was the one to go this week, and noticed that she was the only kid who didn't cry, which of course is a natural response, but affirmed her making it as far as she did. Great attitude! I know Keaton and Haylin are the favorites, though Keaton just seems entitled to me, and his laughing at the meme didn't help me like him, but I think Jonah is also a contender. I  think Nemo is a cutie, though others may not agree with it. I would love to see some of the past kids on as guest judges, or in past kid/current kid competition teams similar to one they did on the adult baking championship, one year, with one of the kids being Jane. Ack! We have seen enough Jane!

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13 hours ago, RoxiP said:

I think both were true - Bella is bossy and D'Von deliberately ignored her to do his own thing, despite the fact that is was detrimental to the team aspect of the challenge.  He is lucky his hand pies (I'm with Haylin - here we have "fried pies" and they are the best!).  Cydne was a sweetheart and I was sorry to see her go.

Bella is bossy. But D'von was irritatingly passive aggressive. Instead of strongly, confidently and maturely discussing his ideas, he hid his design,  hemmed, hawed, grinned with double talk.

 So irritating! Even if he went his own way just say so. Just tell her! Ugh 

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I noticed that Keaton pronounced mascarpone correctly - several times.  Even Duff gets that wrong.

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1 hour ago, 40Love said:

Bella is bossy. But D'von was irritatingly passive aggressive. Instead of strongly, confidently and maturely discussing his ideas, he hid his design,  hemmed, hawed, grinned with double talk.

 So irritating! Even if he went his own way just say so. Just tell her! Ugh 

Yeah, he'd tell he one thing and then do something else. He'd agree with her and then do whatever he wanted, laughing at her. I wouldn't care if he'd said "Nope, I'm doing my own thing." "Nope, I tried the caramel twice; your turn." Instead, he agreed when she tried to pass it back to him, so she thought it was being taken care of and didn't have the chance to drop something else to fix it herself.

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19 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Interesting, as I never got the impression of Bella as being entitled. But rather she either has a lot of older siblings or is in some other circumstance where she has to be aggressive to get what she wants (or else be in a situation where she doesn't get anything). So really more about being aggressive out of necessity in her home life.

I could be wrong but I got the impression that she is flat out spoiled at home, and that it revolves around her. She seems to me to want everything that way on the show, too.

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11 hours ago, CoyoteBlue said:

Yeah, he'd tell he one thing and then do something else. He'd agree with her and then do whatever he wanted, laughing at her. I wouldn't care if he'd said "Nope, I'm doing my own thing." "Nope, I tried the caramel twice; your turn." Instead, he agreed when she tried to pass it back to him, so she thought it was being taken care of and didn't have the chance to drop something else to fix it herself.

And again, he's a kid.  This is behavior you'd expect from an adult.

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1 hour ago, Rammchick said:

And again, he's a kid.  This is behavior you'd expect from an adult.

I could see it being a part of that weird tween transition phase. For awhile, when she was a little younger than him, my stepdaughter would say something really super mean and then try to cover it with "I was just being sarcastic!" She didn't quite understand the nuance of sarcasm yet, but knew that was something adults say. Maybe D'Von has witnessed and copied that type of passive-aggressive behavior among adults in his home, maybe just from his parents joking around ("What honey? Take out the trash? I can't hear you, la la la!") but not quite being mature enough to realize when to use it and how it comes across in different settings.

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On 1/18/2021 at 11:23 PM, CoyoteBlue said:

Too bad D'von lived to bake another day, because he was a bit of a shit today. Sorry, I mean "a raging little shit". Smirking about all but sabotaging his partner and giggling over his plans to ignore her and  refuse to work with her. 

I was really disgusted with his actions and attitude.  He should be gone soon. 

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15 minutes ago, jrzy said:

I was really disgusted with his actions and attitude.  He should be gone soon. 

But Bella was sure being bossy!  She should accept part of the blame.

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I think she became more demanding as he withdrew more and more. She seems uber competitive while he seems far more chill.

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2 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

I think she became more demanding as he withdrew more and more. She seems uber competitive while he seems far more chill.

That's why I'm not ready to blame either of them. They just have different styles and ways of being that might be fine when you're just hanging out, but become real impediments when you have to work together. Sort of like deciding to room with your best friend and suddenly realizing all the things you can't stand about them because you're around them all the time.

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It's interesting to contrast these kids with the kids on Bake Off Juniors. 

I'm kind of over the parents thing. I don't mind the judges talking to them or them hugging the eliminated kid, but having them in the room getting stressed out cuz their kid is making a mistake or running out of time. I just don't need that anxiety on top of the kids' anxiety! 

 

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Cant' seem to find the retrospective episodes online anywhere. Anyone have an idea where to find them?

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On 1/20/2021 at 7:34 PM, tracyscott76 said:

That's why I'm not ready to blame either of them. They just have different styles and ways of being that might be fine when you're just hanging out, but become real impediments when you have to work together.

That's my take too.  They were just a really bad mix of personalities to work together, esp at their ages.

I can get passive aggressive if I don't watch it, and I'm 57.  

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5 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Cant' seem to find the retrospective episodes online anywhere. Anyone have an idea where to find them?

Did you try at the end of the new episode? TV Guide lists it as a 2 hr show.

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2 hours ago, Grizzly said:
7 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Cant' seem to find the retrospective episodes online anywhere. Anyone have an idea where to find them?

Did you try at the end of the new episode? TV Guide lists it as a 2 hr show.

That's also how they are listed on Food Network's site: competition and retrospective together as one episode. If (big if) you can find the episodes online, the retrospectives are probably tacked on.

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17 hours ago, Grizzly said:

Did you try at the end of the new episode? TV Guide lists it as a 2 hr show.

Yes, I checked that. On the FoodNetwork app, they only have the new episodes as 42 minutes, which is just the competition segment. The retrospectives are not there.

15 hours ago, tracyscott76 said:

That's also how they are listed on Food Network's site: competition and retrospective together as one episode. If (big if) you can find the episodes online, the retrospectives are probably tacked on.

So far have only found the episodes on the FoodNetwork app (and the retrospectives were not there). Where else might they have them?

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I don't mean this to be offensive at all, but I have wondered if Bella is on the autism spectrum. She reminds me very strongly of two different students her age I have had, both of whom were on the spectrum. It first crossed my mind when she was so confused and distressed in the first episode that others were interpreting the twist differently than her, and it might be part of the "My Way is the Only Way" mindset that makes her come across as bossy or hard to work with.

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4 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Yes, I checked that. On the FoodNetwork app, they only have the new episodes as 42 minutes, which is just the competition segment. The retrospectives are not there.

So far have only found the episodes on the FoodNetwork app (and the retrospectives were not there). Where else might they have them?

If it's not directly on the FN site/app, if you have cable the whole thing might be available OnDemand. Those are the only official sources I'm aware of, and I ask that this discussion end here as we do not condone use of anything other than official sources.

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4 hours ago, theatremouse said:
8 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Yes, I checked that. On the FoodNetwork app, they only have the new episodes as 42 minutes, which is just the competition segment. The retrospectives are not there.

So far have only found the episodes on the FoodNetwork app (and the retrospectives were not there). Where else might they have them?

If it's not directly on the FN site/app, if you have cable the whole thing might be available OnDemand. Those are the only official sources I'm aware of, and I ask that this discussion end here as we do not condone use of anything other than official sources.

Hope it's ok to briefly extend the discussion simply to confirm that the retrospectives are indeed available OnDemand (via Comcast in my case), as the second hour of the regular episodes.

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On 1/23/2021 at 5:32 PM, tracyscott76 said:

Hope it's ok to briefly extend the discussion simply to confirm that the retrospectives are indeed available OnDemand (via Comcast in my case), as the second hour of the regular episodes.

Unfortunately, they are not there OnDemand on Fios (they only have the 42 minute competition episodes). 😞

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Can’t believe D’Von keeps skating by.  I still love Haylin, but Keegan and Jonah are clearly the ones to beat.  Love their bromance!

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46 minutes ago, TomGirl said:

Can’t believe D’Von keeps skating by.  I still love Haylin, but Keegan and Jonah are clearly the ones to beat.  Love their bromance!

Jonah's macarons were lovely and apparently tasted just right also, so he definitely  deserved the win. I agree with Duff that they looked like they could be in a pastry shop in Paris.  Keaton's cake looked beautiful, but as as Duff said, it was a vanilla cake. I don't think that the boys' friendship should be referred to as a "bromance,"  Haylin's doughnuts had a couple of slight errors, but she took the risk, as the others did with the eclairs and macarons.  Bella made a simple gingerbread cookie with frosting hearts, and that shouldn't have been good enough at the beginning, let alone more than halfway through the competition. I thought that Namiah might have frosted her eclairs with a knife instead of trying to dip them, they could have been swirled with a pretty effect. She had a good attitude after getting sent home though. I thought Haylin's mother was  funny.."she's never worked with 5 spice or fresh ginger or ever made doughnuts before. What could go wrong!" I also really hope Nemo gets his puppy! I remember Linsey, a previous season winner and a total cutie, also using her being on tv to lobby for a puppy and she got one.

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On 1/20/2021 at 1:09 PM, Rammchick said:

And again, he's a kid.  This is behavior you'd expect from an adult.

Well, D’Von is 13 years old not 10! He has learned some very passive aggressive behaviors. Bella was bossy , but he was very nasty and  aggressive. If at 13 he has thar underhanded and passive aggressive, that is not a good thing .

He was literally undermining his teammate and what they were supposed to accomplish.     
 

Sorry, but he should be gone for that kind of behavior .  That was calculated and nasty .

Bella was bossy and should be talked to, but she was not trying to intentionally hurt someone .

 

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On 1/18/2021 at 9:06 PM, adore said:

Same. I look younger with lighter hair for sure. In Valerie's case, it seems to have the opposite effect. She looks much older (to me) as a blonde.

When you have very dark hair you can lighten it to a lighter brown, but going blonde always makes women look older when their natural hair color is very dark . 
I do not get why women who are Italian .which I am , and have darker hair , go for that bleached blonde  hair that does not match their complexion when they get older . Covering grey with a lighter brunette color is way more flattering.

Also they not only need to cover grey , they need to bleach and put blonde coloring in their dark hair all the time, when they could just gradually cover the grey with lighter brown.  My hair dresser had done this on me and it just looks way more natural. He actually commented on how unflattering Valerie’s hair looks .

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5 hours ago, susannah said:

. I don't think that the boys' friendship should be referred to as a "bromance," 

Why not?

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57 minutes ago, TomGirl said:

Why not?

Because it is insulting, diminishing and inaccurate, if you read the definition. The boys are friends.

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53 minutes ago, susannah said:
1 hour ago, TomGirl said:

Why not?

Because it is insulting, diminishing and inaccurate, if you read the definition. The boys are friends.

While I think mileage varies on what, exactly, bromance means and how literally it should be taken, I would tend to stay away from any word including a variation on romance when it comes to pre-teens.

Sorry to see Namiah go, as I liked her low-key demeanor, but I can see why she went over D'Von. I love how Nemo is obviously a riot and a quick wit, but also snaps into professional chef mode ("Mr. Goldman") when he's in the thick of his work. Haylin is a savant, clearly, since she produced a topnotch donut first time out. I liked the interaction when she asked Valerie if she liked her filling soft or hard, and instead of giving her the answer outright, Valerie asked her how SHE thought the filling should be. Nice work.

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8 hours ago, susannah said:

Bella made a simple gingerbread cookie with frosting hearts, and that shouldn't have been good enough at the beginning, let alone more than halfway through the competition.

I'm surprised that Valerie and Duff didn't at least comment that they expected more than a cookie with fairly plain frosting.  I feel like they've made that comment in other seasons when the kids do something pretty simple.  Also, what did Bella do for 2 hours?  It shouldn't have taken that long to make cookies so how did she run out of time to do her decorating?

I knew Namiah was probably the one to go but I was sorry to see it.  I really liked her.

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47 minutes ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I'm surprised that Valerie and Duff didn't at least comment that they expected more than a cookie with fairly plain frosting.  I feel like they've made that comment in other seasons when the kids do something pretty simple.  Also, what did Bella do for 2 hours?  It shouldn't have taken that long to make cookies so how did she run out of time to do her decorating?

I knew Namiah was probably the one to go but I was sorry to see it.  I really liked her.

I was sorry to see Namiah go too , she was a sweet girl and talented .

I think the judges said that they coulD make any dessert , so they really couldn’t say a cookie wasn’t good enough for Bella’s dessert.. 

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2 hours ago, susannah said:

Because it is insulting, diminishing and inaccurate, if you read the definition. The boys are friends.

The Cambridge Dictionary defines a bromance as “a close, friendly, but not sexual relationship between two men.”  I don’t find anything insulting, diminishing or inaccurate in that, but obviously YMMV.

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32 minutes ago, Dansgreens said:

I was sorry to see Namiah go too , she was a sweet girl and talented .

I think the judges said that they coulD make any dessert , so they really couldn’t say a cookie wasn’t good enough for Bella’s dessert.. 

Yes they did say that, but to make a simple cookie, and then not have enough time in two hours to even frost them right, should not have gotten a pass, IMO. None of the other kids went for the simplest, easiest thing to make. The judges are looking for risks taken and skills built on as they progress. Her cookie showed neither. Jonah made cookies too, but they weren't simple by any means.

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3 hours ago, susannah said:

Yes they did say that, but to make a simple cookie, and then not have enough time in two hours to even frost them right, should not have gotten a pass, IMO.

It may not have been a pass as much as the fact that the losing eclairs and misshaped macarons were clearly worse.  Simple but pretty cookies probably beat out messy eclairs and poor technique.

I don't like the term "bromance" used for boys either.  The "romance" part of the term just sounds icky when applied to kids.

I love Haylin (and her mother) but it looks like she's going to get outdone by Jonah and Keaton unless one of them really goofs something up.  I like their mothers too.

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4 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I'm surprised that Valerie and Duff didn't at least comment that they expected more than a cookie with fairly plain frosting. 

Because Valerie can't make royal icing, so she was impressed.

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1 minute ago, hookedontv said:

It was time for D’Von to go home, I think the judges got it wrong. 

They said that she buried the 5 spice and ginger in chocolate. At least D'von seemed to have the flavor profiles, even if his macarons were a colossal failure. This is consistent with their judging, favoring flavor over aesthetics.

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6 hours ago, Grizzly said:

Because Valerie can't make royal icing, so she was impressed.

I was afraid that was the reason Bella wasn't cut. I remember Duff telling another baker once that if they made something simple, it needed to be perfect. He told Bella that her flooding technique wasn't correct, there was inconsistency in her piping, and WHY they didn't ask her how she "ran out of time" only making cookies, in two hours, to not be able to decorate them all the same, I don't know. So obviously not perfect, and they said nothing.  In regard to some of the other pastries, eclairs, etc, it is hard for me. not really knowledgeable about them, to know what aspects about them need to be present to be considered good. I don't know why Namiah had such trouble with her ganache.  I would think adding milk or cream would thin it.

 

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15 hours ago, susannah said:

I was afraid that was the reason Bella wasn't cut. I remember Duff telling another baker once that if they made something simple, it needed to be perfect. He told Bella that her flooding technique wasn't correct, there was inconsistency in her piping, and WHY they didn't ask her how she "ran out of time" only making cookies, in two hours, to not be able to decorate them all the same, I don't know. So obviously not perfect, and they said nothing.  In regard to some of the other pastries, eclairs, etc, it is hard for me. not really knowledgeable about them, to know what aspects about them need to be present to be considered good. I don't know why Namiah had such trouble with her ganache.  I would think adding milk or cream would thin it.

 

Adding cold milk/cream to a ganache breaks it -- chocolate will seize when a cold liquid is added.  

As for Bella and the cookies, the kind of comment you mention is something you routinely hear on the adults' version of this show.  Generally all the comments are delivered with "kid gloves" 😉

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3 minutes ago, Rammchick said:

Adding cold milk/cream to a ganache breaks it -- chocolate will seize when a cold liquid is added.  

As for Bella and the cookies, the kind of comment you mention is something you routinely hear on the adults' version of this show.  Generally all the comments are delivered with "kid gloves" 😉

I'm not sure what you mean by "kid gloves." I remember Duff saying that exact thing.

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I think he didn't comment extensively on Bella's too simple cookie during judging (or rather: the editing chose not to show that) because when he did his visit while the kids were still baking he asked her about how it'd be decorated. She even said the thing about his face (and then didn't end up having time to do that), but it probably would've felt redundant to twice show him commenting on the potential complexity of the decoration for this particular cookie. Hence instead the judge-time focus was on the not great execution of the piping and use of royal icing techniques.

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4 hours ago, susannah said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "kid gloves." I remember Duff saying that exact thing.

That expression suggests that Duff and Valerie are softer on them than they would be with adult baketestants.  It's an old expression from when gloves were made from goatskin -- goat kids' skin is much softer than adult goat skin.

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I would say Duff and Valerie might use kid gloves in the sense that they don't critique the kids in the way Gordon Ramsey, or even Lorraine, might do. But they don't shy away from criticism. Duff DID critique Bella's icing - maybe not in the exact way some would have liked, but he did say it wasn't perfect, and told her why. And they very clearly told D'Von and Namiah what was wrong with their respective desserts, and again, gave them hints on why. They never shy away from pointing out mistakes - a lot of times they even share a laugh with the kids about it. It's how criticism should be, in my opinion, for kids OR adults. "Here's what worked and what didn't, and here's a tip to help you in the future". I don't think they're going easy on the kids at all, honestly.

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I feel like one of the frustrating things about watching food competition shows is you can't taste things through the TV. XD So to me, who can see Namiah's a bit messy-but-still-delicious-looking eclairs and D'Vonn's hot mess of macarons, but can only take Duff and Valerie's word for Namiah's chocolate masking the taste of the 5 spice and D'Vonn's macarons being delicious, it's a bit of a hard sell. Especially when it usually seems when two competitors have a rough equal bad day, the one with the better track record stays, and that would have been Namiah. I'll miss her chill, no nonsense attitude.

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4 hours ago, Rammchick said:

That expression suggests that Duff and Valerie are softer on them than they would be with adult baketestants.  It's an old expression from when gloves were made from goatskin -- goat kids' skin is much softer than adult goat skin.

I know what the expression means. I was responding to the comment that it wasn't said to a child baker just like that, because it was. They aren't cruel to the kids, but they are often very clear about mistakes.

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14 hours ago, susannah said:

I know what the expression means. I was responding to the comment that it wasn't said to a child baker just like that, because it was. They aren't cruel to the kids, but they are often very clear about mistakes.

My apologies, I misunderstood you.

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Haylin is some kind of wizard - last week she makes a delicious donut for her first time out, and this week she makes a sablé cookie without even knowing it XD Glad to see her and Bella in the top two and Bella winning (spelling mistake aside 🤦‍♂️). Nothing against Keaton and Jonah, but they were starting to dominate, and I prefer when things are more spread around.

I'm just going to assume the kids washed their hands after each time they stopped by the puppies...

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7 hours ago, tracyscott76 said:

Haylin is some kind of wizard - last week she makes a delicious donut for her first time out, and this week she makes a sablé cookie without even knowing it XD Glad to see her and Bella in the top two and Bella winning (spelling mistake aside 🤦‍♂️). Nothing against Keaton and Jonah, but they were starting to dominate, and I prefer when things are more spread around.

I'm just going to assume the kids washed their hands after each time they stopped by the puppies...

I thought about the handwashing too! I thought Bella deserved the win tonight, and knew D'von would go. I just wish Duff would be consistent with his parameters. I can't remember which one he told was decorated too simply, but I know that Haylin's and Keaton's cakes were also minimally decorated. How hard is it to put a few sprinkles around the bottom and some frosting puffs on the top, or not even those. A couple of them just had the cookie on top. Keaton feels himself somewhat of an expert on cake making but his decorations are not knocking it out of the park, like they should. So either appearance matters or it doesn't.

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