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11 hours ago, NJKBCFan said:

Taylor, Saylor and Nat are the definite front-runners now, with Matthew a dark horse (hopefully he finds some toughness as he seems to break down a little too easily).

What do you mean by “dark horse”?

Yeah, I agree with Saylor’s win and disagreed with Mek’s elimination.

5 hours ago, mlp said:

Yeah.  Davey isn't obnoxious like a couple kids in previous seasons but he is my least favorite.  He did have fewer errors than the girl with the awkward name I can't remember though.  She was pretty, I liked her voice and I was sorry to see her go. 

Do FN producers never read boards or do they just not care what viewers say?  Everyone hates twists and they keep right on doing it.  I vote for "don't care."

None of the kids bother me but I think Davey should have gone home instead. His plate was really messy, and I wouldn’t have eaten that sauce. It had lots of bacon grease in it.

I’m sure FN producers read boards sometimes. How about just do the twists for the adults and not for the kids because they aren’t fully grown yet? Is that okay?

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1 hour ago, Simon47 said:

What do you mean by “dark horse”?

I mean that I don't think he is a favorite to win, but I think he might have a chance to surprise everyone. 

1 hour ago, Simon47 said:

None of the kids bother me but I think Davey should have gone home instead. His plate was really messy, and I wouldn’t have eaten that sauce. It had lots of bacon grease in it.

I’m sure FN producers read boards sometimes. How about just do the twists for the adults and not for the kids because they aren’t fully grown yet? Is that okay?

His plate was messy, but the judges did say that everything tasted pretty good. Mekdes' cookies were almost raw according to the judges and everything kind of fell apart, so I don't disagree with the judges. That said, Davey going home would have been 3 boys in a row and I think that was a consideration by the producers.

As I said before, I don't mind the twists. But I do like the idea of maybe giving a twist at the start of the challenge instead of the middle. Kind of like on Chopped where there's a bizarre ingredient in the basket. Makes them do something unique.

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I feel the same way as many of you about the twist, particularly this year when some of the kids are so young.  These kids have enough baking experience to meet the original challenge with something they are able to make at least somewhat successfully.  The twists are sometimes things that don't go with the version of the challenge the child is creating.  While a teenager might be able to find a way to fulfill the challenge and the twist, a ten or eleven year old may struggle, become frustrated and upset, because his or her vision of what they've started to make is suddenly incompatible with the twist.  I thought this twist, the sauce to go along with the ice cream sandwich, was one of the easier ones to do, but others have not been so easy to mix with the original challenge, and that seems unfair to me.

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On 14/08/2018 at 2:55 PM, mlp said:

True but the sign I was talking about was on the same display table as the cake being judged.  Right next to it.  And it came and went.

Yup, I saw it too and it bugged me to no end. 

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On ‎8‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 9:46 PM, NJKBCFan said:

That said, Davey going home would have been 3 boys in a row and I think that was a consideration by the producers.

It really shouldn't be a consideration.  It is about the best baker, and it shouldn't matter that there were 5 boys in a row.

The thing about those stupid twists is that they always come at the last minute--even an adult would be stumped to incorporate ginger with everything.

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I thought it was silly that Davey used whole donuts for both halves of his sandwich, and then seemed surprised when the judges were all "this is sooooo big". Like, dude, Duff's example was literally a donut. And he cut it in fucking half. How to do this is Right.There.

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8 hours ago, theatremouse said:

I thought it was silly that Davey used whole donuts for both halves of his sandwich, and then seemed surprised when the judges were all "this is sooooo big". Like, dude, Duff's example was literally a donut. And he cut it in fucking half. How to do this is Right.There.

Some of these kids don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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8 hours ago, theatremouse said:

I thought it was silly that Davey used whole donuts for both halves of his sandwich, and then seemed surprised when the judges were all "this is sooooo big". Like, dude, Duff's example was literally a donut. And he cut it in fucking half. How to do this is Right.There.

Similarly, didn’t Mekdes slice her cookies in half, where she could have just used whole cookies for the top and bottom of hers?

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22 minutes ago, tobeannounced said:

Some of these kids don't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

A few of them are only 10 years old. 

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26 minutes ago, NJKBCFan said:

A few of them are only 10 years old. 

And? It's a televised baking championship for kids who supposedly are the best in the US. We've seen kids with amazing skills in the past. Some of these kids may love baking, but they're not above average in any way. Maybe they shouldn't have a baking competition for kids this young based on the tears in every friggin' episode. Otherwise, give everyone a participation trophy and move on.

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I'd like to see a season where the bakers are closer to 15-18 years old.  Give some of these kids a few years and they could better handle the competition and really showcase their baking skills.  

 

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, DUMP THE "TWISTS!"

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3 hours ago, tobeannounced said:

And? It's a televised baking championship for kids who supposedly are the best in the US. We've seen kids with amazing skills in the past. Some of these kids may love baking, but they're not above average in any way. Maybe they shouldn't have a baking competition for kids this young based on the tears in every friggin' episode. Otherwise, give everyone a participation trophy and move on.

I don't see the point at calling a bunch of 10 year olds dumb on an internet forum. But I guess that's just me. :-(

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50 minutes ago, NJKBCFan said:

I don't see the point at calling a bunch of 10 year olds dumb on an internet forum. But I guess that's just me. :-(

Well, you're putting words in my mouth, but there is no point other than we're all stating our opinions.

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Like others have mentioned they could keep the twists and announce them at the beginning of the show as an extra thing that has to be made. They would still have to do whatever crazy twist that's been thought of for the episode. The producers seem to think we enjoy seeing these young kids have meltdowns at least once a week. 

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I know Davey was not producing very refined (or even tasty) desserts but man,  that kid was funny!   I loved his quips.... like when they call time and "put your hands up" and Davey says "Why? Are you under arrest?"  Or, whenever someone borrowed an ingredient from him,  he would say "that will cost you $25,000" followed by "just kidding!"

I thought his dad jokes were endearing.   Not a reason to keep him in the competition,  I know but I liked him better than those other kids who deliberately mug for the camera. 

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Disappointing Imposter episode imho. Issi deserved the win, but it was more because everyone else’s were terrible rather than her’s being amazing (compared to last season, where the top 3 were stunning imposters, and all of the kids’ creations were at least in the ballpark). Davey was the right pick to go. 

Hate to say it, but so far none of the bakers has really impressed this season as far as their baking talents go. At this point, I think any of the kids could win because none of them has really stood out.

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Bowtie boy (can't remember his name) definitely wears his heart on his sleeve.  2nd week in a row he's melted down and I thought he was going to hyperventilate waiting to hear who was going home.  

I liked Davey, but he may have been too young.  

Overall, none of the kids are standing out.  Maybe that's why I don't remember most of their names.

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They really are handholding them this year. First Duff shows them exactly how to do the cup thing that was the defying gravity challenge, now they are all instructed to make the same exact type of food imposter...

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I really do think they decided to have kids who were not as "accomplished", so 1-they would have more wanting to apply in future seasons, 2-there are only so many kids out there who can do all this & take the time off. I have a customer with a girl who is 10 & she asked me about 50 questions in the span of 15 minutes. She wants to have a bakery like mine in a "few" years.  I asked her if she would want to do one of those shows, & she goes "Ohhhh Myyyy Goshhh!, I could never go on tv in front of all those millions!". I burst out laughing. She'd be cute on it. 

 

Some of you have brought up the crying, well, imagine being that age, in the middle of a timed comp, & something goes screwy? I get that way when I'm in a time crunch & something has just gone screwy-I cry or proceed to throw something against the wall :). I'm glad they don't throw anything. 

But one thing that is a pet peeve of mine-when a judge claims that what the contestant has made is not correct. And the judge is wrong. Duff-fried calamari can be white if you add no batter. But most of the time, they are brown-like most fried food-because a batter is added.

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That was a fairly hard choice this week as to who was going home.  Although neither really looked like lasagna, Davey actually created the "noodles" , vs. Matthew using pre-made puff pastry.  In the end, it was the lime curd that saved him.  But really, show.  Half the kids didn't even know what pesto is, or calamari.  Not exactly exotic foods, but might be if you're 10.

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On the side dishes, they cards had pictures. I think they should've given them pictures of the actual lasagnas they were assigning to each kid. Specifically to avoid the "did you know pesto is green" issue. Although on the other hand, I'm pretty sure at age 10 I knew what pesto was. etc.

I want them to just stop doing "imposter" challenges if they don't enforce it. There is a difference between "imposter X" and "dessert X". Last season it happened with the pizza too. Imposter means it's supposed to look like the real-not-dessert version of the thing. Most of them weren't going for that at all. They were just like "lasagna! so ...layers! and....red stuff!" (except Matthew whose was correctly green) There's this pattern of "I'm supposed to include A and this is the same color as that, so...done". Raspberries for paprika was Davey bullshitting his way through this. But he also could've said any.red.vegetable and they would've accepted it. We've seen this before. And his was supposed to be "veggie". Kid panicked and couldn't name one vegetable he was pretending to have. And used sanding sugar for the colors basically saying "well veggies exist that are that color". I mean, I get that they're kids but then the answer there isn't judge them half-assedly, it's be more clear in the off-screen instructions they get.

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1 hour ago, Rammchick said:

.  But really, show.  Half the kids didn't even know what pesto is, or calamari.  Not exactly exotic foods, but might be if you're 10.

I thought that the twist was unfair because of the calamari.  Plus, Duff said that they were white.  Maybe it's just me, but the calamari I've seen (but never eaten - yuck!) always looks like onion rings.

Other than then using calamari, I did't have a problem with the twist or the one last week with the sauce.  It's added work for the kids, but it doesn't have to conflict with what they've already done.  Things like the addition of ginger though, that can throw off a whole recipe-- especially added so late in the competition.

Does anyone watch the Amy Poehler/Nick Offerman show, "Making It"?  At the end the contestant who is eliminated is shown doing something with Amy and Nick.  It's just a brief little scene, but it feels friendly.  It would be nice if the kids, many of whom leave crying, were shown doing something fun the last time we see them.  I think that Duff and Valerie could pull off something like that.

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I love calamari.  The actual squid meat is white, but it's fried, so the outside is (supposed to be) golden brown.  So Duff was technically right, but wrong too.

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2 hours ago, theatremouse said:

I want them to just stop doing "imposter" challenges if they don't enforce it. There is a difference between "imposter X" and "dessert X". Last season it happened with the pizza too. Imposter means it's supposed to look like the real-not-dessert version of the thing. 

Fwiw, the Pizza last season was not the "imposter" episode, it was a "Dessert Pizza" challenge, so those kids approached that challenge correctly. The Imposter challenge last season was the "Lunchbox" episode.

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The top two both had meat lasagna - the easiest to imposter - a strawberry/raspberry sauce with some sort of chunks (like the brownies) for "meat."

The bottom two had veggie pesto lasagna - the most difficult one.  It is hard to make something that looks like pesto sauce - green food coloring is the wrong shade, aand so would be a sauce made from limes.  Mint might work, but using enough mint to make it look like pesto would be overpowering.  And that is only the sauce, they would also have to make different veggies to go in it.  

The two that were safe both had the spinach and mushroom lasagna - more difficult than meat, but not as bad as the veggie pesto.

I have eaten calamari, but it was never the size of a donut.  

Sorry to see Davey go, but he was the overall weakest of the bakers.

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I had the impression that Matthew made sure the camera was on him for his crying.  Something about it looked wrong to me.  Just a feeling, I'm a Matthew fan. 

Is this the first time that neither Taylor nor Saylor were in the top two? 

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5 hours ago, luvapickle said:

Some of you have brought up the crying, well, imagine being that age, in the middle of a timed comp, & something goes screwy? I get that way when I'm in a time crunch & something has just gone screwy-I cry or proceed to throw something against the wall :). I'm glad they don't throw anything.

I don't think anybody is doubting that it's believable that these kids are melting down. The problems are that (a) nobody really wants to watch a meltdown happen to a child (a villain/cocky type on a non-kid version of a show, I can see, but not a kid), (b) there have been a lot of them this season, and (c) the show is milking them for all they're worth. It's making a show that should really be almost pure fluff and turning it into something uncomfortable. Bad form, Food Network.

Anyway, it's now four weeks in, and I'm still not enjoying this show like I did last season. It may be time to drop it for this cycle and hope that the Halloween version is better.

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9 hours ago, Eliza422 said:

They really are handholding them this year. First Duff shows them exactly how to do the cup thing that was the defying gravity challenge, now they are all instructed to make the same exact type of food imposter...

In this case, I wished they had actually had the exact same instructions, because the kids who did the worst (said they) didn't even know what the things were they were supposed to be impersonating! They could have had enough of a range with assigning them all generic lasagna and garlic bread, IMO. 

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5 hours ago, dewelar said:

I don't think anybody is doubting that it's believable that these kids are melting down. The problems are that (a) nobody really wants to watch a meltdown happen to a child (a villain/cocky type on a non-kid version of a show, I can see, but not a kid), (b) there have been a lot of them this season, and (c) the show is milking them for all they're worth. It's making a show that should really be almost pure fluff and turning it into something uncomfortable. Bad form, Food Network.

Anyway, it's now four weeks in, and I'm still not enjoying this show like I did last season. It may be time to drop it for this cycle and hope that the Halloween version is better.

For me, I think that I’m less interested this season mostly because there hasn’t been anyone who has really produced a great-looking dessert yet. Yes, they are young kids, but part of the appeal of this show in the past has been watching young kids who make amazing stuff beyond their years. So far this season, everything has looked like a young kid made it. 

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On 8/28/2018 at 3:03 PM, snarkylady said:

I had the impression that Matthew made sure the camera was on him for his crying.  Something about it looked wrong to me.  Just a feeling, I'm a Matthew fan. 

Is this the first time that neither Taylor nor Saylor were in the top two? 

Me too, and I’m glad he didn’t go home because his bow tie was cute.

Davey was the clear choice to go home. Does anybody not think he made his plates look like a 5-year-old made them?

On 8/28/2018 at 11:08 AM, Rammchick said:

I love calamari.  The actual squid meat is white, but it's fried, so the outside is (supposed to be) golden brown.  So Duff was technically right, but wrong too.

I never have eaten calamari before, but it looks delicious.

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I’m going to miss Davey and his giant spoonfuls that were for tasting while baking. That made me laugh every time. 

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I was sorry to see Saylor go but I would have been sorry to see any of them eliminated and she did do the worst.  From tonight on, I like them all and wish they could all win.

The ventriloquist and her rabbit are absolutely delightful.  I don't know how old that girl is but she's very poised and quite clever.  I know she was on AGT which I don't watch any more because I can't stand Howie Mandel so I wonder if FN had to negotiate with NBC to get her.

I love Duff and Valerie.  It's a pleasure to watch hosts who clearly like each other and enjoy working together.

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I am finding myself underwhelmed with the challenges this season. There hasn't been one that gives the kids a real opportunity to show any kind of decorating skills. 

That said, this was the first episode where I think that some of the kids are finding their sea legs. Brilliant move by Matthew and Nat to crush up their popcorn and use as dry ingredient. And I wasn't convinced that Taylor's steeping the popcorn would work, so pleasantly surprised that it did.

I thought Izze should have been the one to go, but ok with the decision to let Saylor go. At this point, I think Nat wins the whole thing.

Oh, and while it was fun to see the AGT girl, I felt like it was completely out of place on this show. All she did was distract the bakers with no real value to the theme.

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Duff and Valerie are perfect on this show.  They both seem very upset when they have to eliminate one of the kids.  Does anyone know who started this whole huge bow on the head thing?   At least Isse uses her own hair to make the bow----at least I think it's a hair bow.  

Doesnt your heart break for the kids who struggle when baking?   I love it when Valerie sees that and she goes to help the child.  Unlike other shows like any one done by Gordon Ramsey, that's so much more cut throat, this show does care about the contestants and their feelings.  

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I felt the AGT girl was an almost jarring presence.  I would forget she was on the show and then suddenly a  switch of focus and there she was.  Maybe the contestants liked her, for me a ventriloquist, no matter how young and cute, is only one step above mimes and two steps above clowns.  I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. 

I agree that the challenges are unimpressive, the baking knowledge lacking, and the skills underdeveloped.  Some of this will come with age and experience.  But how on earth could a "baker" not know what a bar cookie is?  Duff's explanation of why he accepted it made some sense but I had some trouble getting past it.    

Regarding this week's twist -- I thought the bat showed just how silly the twists are.  Well done. 

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Is it against the rules for Matthew to simply ask the judges "what is a cookie bar?" Amazingly, he won the challenge without properly executing it, so maybe it doesn't matter. If they're going to saddle the kids with things they've never heard of (calamari) or, for that matter,  things I've never heard of (veggie pesto lasagna) then they should be permitted to ask for clarification.

I have no idea why the girl and her rabbit dummy were on the show.

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I am sad Saylor left because I wanted her to win the whole thing, but her cheesecake didn't look too appealing. I am rooting for Matthew now (mostly because he reminds me of an older version of my nephew).

 I loved Darci Lynne on AGT! She was a singing ventriloquist on the show and was amazing and really funny, but I agree that she didn't add much to last night's show. I think someone just thought it would be fun to have her there since she won a major competition show at age 12.

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14 minutes ago, kcrabtree06 said:

I loved Darci Lynne on AGT! She was a singing ventriloquist on the show and was amazing and really funny, but I agree that she didn't add much to last night's show. I think someone just thought it would be fun to have her there since she won a major competition show at age 12.

I think it would be more fun for a baker from a previous season come to judge ?

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1 hour ago, NJKBCFan said:

I think it would be more fun for a baker from a previous season come to judge ?

I misunderstood what they said about Darci Lynn and thought she WAS a former season winner. Spent the whole episode confused about the ventriloquism thing as a result. Was wondering if she did that while baking and how talented she must be to do both!

Realized last night we were down only to kids I like. Was sad to see my fellow GA girl Saylor go. Glad Taylor wasn't dinged too much for the bat. She was busy when they announced it and forgot. I give her points for getting anything done. If she had remembered sooner, I wonder if she'd have gone krispie treat baseball, too. She made a point of NOT going with caramel popcorn because the others were.

Found it funny that Izzy tslked about how easy macarons were (4 ingredients!) since they generally make them out to be so difficult on the adult shows. But she probably didn't have a proper foot on it.

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I agree, I also realized last night we were down to only kids I like. Also agree that Taylor demonstrated the stupidity of the additional challenges. Why do something fancy if you can half-ass it and still get through?

I found the ventriloquist annoying and pointless. Don't believe all these kids knew who she was ahead of time, either.

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6 hours ago, jcbrown said:

 

I found the ventriloquist annoying and pointless. Don't believe all these kids knew who she was ahead of time, either.

I agree completely.  I kept waiting for her to leave.  I get that she's young, but other than that it seemed to be an odd fit for this show.  Way too forced, and it added nothing other than an out-of-left-field distraction.

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Episode 5

18 hours ago, mlp said:

I love Duff and Valerie.  It's a pleasure to watch hosts who clearly like each other and enjoy working together.

Weren’t you happy when Valerie smiled at Natasha and calmed her down, because that made her rise up to the top really fast!

8 hours ago, Jillybean said:

Is it against the rules for Matthew to simply ask the judges "what is a cookie bar?" Amazingly, he won the challenge without properly executing it, so maybe it doesn't matter. If they're going to saddle the kids with things they've never heard of (calamari) or, for that matter,  things I've never heard of (veggie pesto lasagna) then they should be permitted to ask for clarification.

Maybe not. I think he just asked what they were because he DID NOT know. And I think it’s perfectly okay, it’s just someone asking what it is.

Were you sad to see Saylor go home? I was. She was my girl!

16 hours ago, kcrabtree06 said:

 I loved Darci Lynne on AGT! She was a singing ventriloquist on the show and was amazing and really funny, but I agree that she didn't add much to last night's show. I think someone just thought it would be fun to have her there since she won a major competition show at age 12.

If I am right (quote me if I am wrong) Darci Lynne was on Little Big Shots. I think, don’t guarantee. Have you seen her on LBS?

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6 hours ago, Simon47 said:

Maybe not. I think he just asked what they were because he DID NOT know. And I think it’s perfectly okay, it’s just someone asking what it is.

 

But he DIDN'T ask. That's my point. He didn't know what a cookie bar was, so he just guessed (incorrectly). My question was, is it against the rules to ask? It seems like it must be, because I don't see any other reason why they don't ask when given an assignment to make something unfamiliar.

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I think this exposed how unskilled some of these kids are.

one didn’t know what a bar cookie was.

one didn’t know that you rest pastry dough before you roll it out.

one had terrible looking macarons - it didn’t look like she did the rest/dry step before baking - and after looking at them she didn’t recognize the problems with them.

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On 9/5/2018 at 12:33 PM, Jillybean said:

But he DIDN'T ask. That's my point. He didn't know what a cookie bar was, so he just guessed (incorrectly). My question was, is it against the rules to ask? It seems like it must be, because I don't see any other reason why they don't ask when given an assignment to make something unfamiliar.

He might have just went up to Duff and Valerie off camera and asked them what it is and they told him? Remember that boy from a couple seasons ago (Justice) that didn’t know what Black Forest cake is?

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17 hours ago, Simon47 said:

He might have just went up to Duff and Valerie off camera and asked them what it is and they told him? Remember that boy from a couple seasons ago (Justice) that didn’t know what Black Forest cake is?

But again, the point is that he didn't ask. If he did ask, then he didn't understand the answer because he still did it wrong.

I would have to imagine that the kids are allowed to ask if they didn't know what it was. Especially in a challenge like this where every kid gets something different. It wouldn't be fair if one kid happened to get something s/he didn't know what it was when everyone else got something they knew.

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