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2 minutes ago, IvySpice said:

But was she called BROKE? No. Darcey was obviously supporting herself and put a ton of effort into every look. I didn't love the aesthetic, but she matched who she claimed to be. Not like Leida, who talks a big game about Daddy's money and her life of luxury but doesn't appear to have a single possession worth noting.

Yes, I quite a few ppl called her broke. Said she couldn't afford her own spot so she rooms w/ her sister. lost custody of her kid. sponges off of her dad, etc. I think the jury was still out of that one, esp as House of 11 seems to have gone under. 

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2 hours ago, emjohnson03 said:

I am always amazed (and I know it's for drama) that NONE of these people have serious conversations until AFTER they come over and spend all this money.

I know you get engaged quickly but you would think that if you were settling down and being serious about a forever, they would ask questions about the very BASIC foundations of what matters to each, what they value and what the expectations are.

Heck, on dating websites I don't look at men who smoke, agnostic or who are short. I know I could be limiting myself but those are deal breakers for me. I think it's funny that these people don't know the basics of what matters (other than looks I guess) and hope to find a sustaining relationship. It blows my mind. 

 

Oh, I think most of them do have that conversation, and it goes as follows:

"What matters to you?"  Dude answers "sex."  Chick answers "Anything green" (cash, card, etc).

"What do you value?"  Dude answers "sex."  Chick answers "Anything green" (cash, card, etc).

"What are your expectations?"  Dude answers "sex."  Chick answers "Anything green" (cash, card, etc).

***There are notable exceptions to this, of course, such as Kirylam, for example  who I think is the kindest, most sincere, genuine, and cutest person to have ever been on this show. (I know, my ability to remain objective and impartial amazes me, too, haha). So, take the above as a sweeping generalization mixed with a healthy dose of snark, please!  (-:

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7 minutes ago, IvySpice said:

But was she called BROKE? No. Darcey was obviously supporting herself and put a ton of effort into every look. I didn't love the aesthetic, but she matched who she claimed to be. Not like Leida, who talks a big game about Daddy's money and her life of luxury but doesn't appear to have a single possession worth noting.

Someone who is that 'wealthy' may not have bags and shoes with large, flashy logos. She may have some understated items that don't scream 'look at me'! She just doesn't seem to have much of anything that evidences her wealth other than her parents being rich and her having a $300,000 first wedding. She can easily sell a bag on Kjiji or eBay to get some cash to help out with some of Eric's expenses.

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13 hours ago, Splithair said:

Larissa is horrid, but Coltee's cousin is an ass.  Unless a whole lot was edited out of that scene, he instigated the whole thing.  I was shocked at how calm she actually stayed during it.  And Coltee just sitting there looking stupid the whole time, closing blinds, etc.  Then telling her it's her responsibility to prove she's not a bitch and to ask Cousin Coltee about his day.  Tf?!

I suspect cousin Coltee  and wife cousin Coltee are super excited to be on the teevee and willing to do what it takes to continue to earn their spot as teevee stars. 

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39 minutes ago, eatsleep said:

 

Why?? Whether they wear their dresses to the wedding or the dresses hang in the closet, the money has been spent. it doesn't cost the bridesmaids extra bc the wedding was cancelled. They did their part regardless.

Because they bought the dress to wear as bridesmaids. They are no longer bridesmaids. They are no longer attending the wedding. They wouldn’t have paid for a dress if they’d known there would be no wedding. I think it’s reasonable to expect that Ashley feel some remorse for that. She’s been engaged 3 times...it’s possible the friends have been out money before as a result of canceled weddings.

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I'm not certain how much of what we're seeing is real.  I remember Nicole Kidman's line from the movie, "To Die For" where she says, "You're not anybody unless you're on TV."  I think a lot of these people feel that way, even if it's a low budget reality show.  They can say to themselves, "at least I WAS ON TV."  That's important to a lot of people.

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Toaster Strudel, your recaps give me life. Truly, I get excited seeing your avi every week. 

Agreed with the others that this season is seriously bumming me out. Leida's face on screen gives me so much anxiety, I need to take a melatonin to fall asleep after watching this Sunday night tragedy. I've never seen a face that cries out for a fist so badly in my life. The way she was passive aggressively saying "Why are you yelling at me? Oh that's nice (sarcastically)" whilst poking at her eyeballs when Eric started getting upset about relinquishing his parental rights made my guts clench with rage. And the blank expression when she handed Allessandro his water, then abandoned him to his own devices while filling the air with profanity. That poor kid reminds me of my own son and I can only imagine how bewildered, lonely and anxious he must feel in this new environment. Ugh, much anxiety. 

Does Steven know what a newborn eats? How frequently? Which vaccinations they require and when? Somehow I doubt the answer is yes to any of the above. The notion of him caring for a newborn by himself with little to no support is so ludicrous and I'm heartbroken for Olga. Again, my sort-of-new-mom sensibilities are offended to the core at the idea of someone jetting off with my baby for God knows how long. Even if Steven were an even-tempered, well employed, mature and sensible adult, I'd have second hand anxiety for Olga having to part ways with her baby. 

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4 minutes ago, trimthatfat said:

Because they bought the dress to wear as bridesmaids. They are no longer bridesmaids. They are no longer attending the wedding. They wouldn’t have paid for a dress if they’d known there would be no wedding. I think it’s reasonable to expect that Ashley feel some remorse for that. She’s been engaged 3 times...it’s possible the friends have been out money before as a result of canceled weddings.

They're still out the same money, either way.

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Except that's not how applying for green cards in this situation works. The $1000 need to be from separate pots of money. Or there would be $0 for dress. This whole "you can wait on the green card until he can save more money" thing isn't an option. They have 90 days to get married. Once they get married (90 days up) they must immediately apply for an adjustment of status along with the green card application, or else they are on an expired visa and might not ever be approved. Comments like Debbie's show the level to which the American cast members exploit the lack of bureaucratic knowledge of the foreigners. 

There is only one pot of money - which is whatever Colt currently has in his bank account. Debbie's point is that the pot isn't bottomless and they have significant expenses now - like Larissa's green card. They can get married within the 90 days without an expensive dress and Larissa can go ahead and get her green card. If Larissa absolutely can't live without the dress, then she can buy it - but there's not enough money left for the green card - so she can wear the dress on her way home to Brazil.

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I think that's Larissa's issue. She doesn't want to be told. She wants to have some say so in the decision making. She's only fiance now. But she will be wife in a week. And she doesn't want to be bossed around. Job or no job. When you marry someone (or agree to) you are supposed to be partners and both should have a say. Things should be open to negotiation. Clearly, she has an idea of how much Colt makes. In most parts of the developed world, childless, college-educated 33 year old men who program computers make decent salaries and can afford to splurge on things to please their gfs/wives. She's not dumb. She knows he is being stingy and also being influenced by Debbie, who has her own agenda.

If she and Colt are going to be life partners, they yes, they should make decisions jointly. But in every single situation, Larissa has demonstrated that she can't make a responsible financial decision. She wants to outspend what they can afford every single time. She didn't want a less expensive car, couch or apartment. She wanted what she wanted and she didn't care if they had the cash or had to go into debt to get those things for her. If she knows what Colt makes and is willing to live within that budget, she wouldn't be braying about having a Jaguar in the future. And she doesn't care that Colt is easily influenced by the women around him, she cares that she can't out-influence Debbie, who at least is currently contributing to the household when Larissa is not in any way that I can see (nutella toast for one breakfast notwithstanding). $1,000 is a perfectly reasonable - even generous - budget for a wedding dress. She can find a gorgeous dress for that amount but that's not what she wants to do. She just wants to spend and spend and spend. 

Also - is Colt a computer "programmer?" If so, yes they make decent salaries in most parts of the country. But if he works at an IT help desk, he has a much lower income - maybe $50 - $60,000/year. That's ok for a single guy with no kids but it's not going to support the wealthy lifestyle Larissa wants.

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39 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Maybe she is getting a disability check, can you work if you are getting that check?

My, you are generous...I give him 6 weeks.  

Debbie is 66 and is of retirement age. Regardless if she is ablento work or not, she doesn't look like she has energy or strength. 

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My, you are generous...I give him 6 weeks.  

My money is on "has already cheated multiple times."

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She’s been engaged 3 times...it’s possible the friends have been out money before as a result of canceled weddings.

Didn't she say something to the effect that her friends had put up with a lot including a cancelled wedding before after they'd paid for dresses and "other expenses?"

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I just need tonsay that while almost no one is likeable on this show, i was Team Larissa during the bbq fight. Even though everything John was yelling at her was the truth, he had no right to raise his voice at her like that. Larissa didnt handle it very well and unfortunately she came out looking selfish and petty, which she is, but i definitely think that Debbie is a bitch to her and needs to stop acting like Colt is her husband. 

Also, Leida is a POS. She may keep a room clean but her insides are disgusting. Demanding that a man forego his own children to take on her child. I cant stand him but it looks like they deserve each other. 

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4 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

If she and Colt are going to be life partners, they yes, they should make decisions jointly. But in every single situation, Larissa has demonstrated that she can't make a responsible financial decision. She wants to outspend what they can afford every single time. She didn't want a less expensive car, couch or apartment. She wanted what she wanted and she didn't care if they had the cash or had to go into debt to get those things for her. If she knows what Colt makes and is willing to live within that budget, she wouldn't be braying about having a Jaguar in the future. And she doesn't care that Colt is easily influenced by the women around him, she cares that she can't out-influence Debbie, who at least is currently contributing to the household when Larissa is not in any way that I can see (nutella toast for one breakfast notwithstanding). $1,000 is a perfectly reasonable - even generous - budget for a wedding dress. She can find a gorgeous dress for that amount but that's not what she wants to do. She just wants to spend and spend and spend. 

She's never had a chance to. He has overruled her at every turn. At some point, she needs to get something she wants. 

I think $1000 is very low for an unused wedding dress (from an actual bridal store that offers on-site custom tailoring, etc.)

10 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Also - is Colt a computer "programmer?" If so, yes they make decent salaries in most parts of the country. But if he works at an IT help desk, he has a much lower income - maybe $50 - $60,000/year. That's ok for a single guy with no kids but it's not going to support the wealthy lifestyle Larissa wants.

Even that's an OK salary for a frugal, childless guy in his 30s.

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2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

So Leida doesn’t even have a low credit limit emergency credit card from her parents (given to her in the very least for their grandsons welfare in mind just in case?) to bunk one night at the Holiday Inn Express after the breakup scene  ? 

That fact makes the whole rich upbringing suspect and hinky for me. Questionable. 

I've said since day one that Leida is not rich, she's a grifter. And so is Eric. Hilariously, they each got conned! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Right!  Of course, they poisoned the cousin and had him tell Larissa off.  How many times did the cousin call Larissa a bitch???  Why is the cousin even saying anything about Larissa’s ring?  It is none of his business.  It is a GIFT from Colt.

How DARE Colt give his fiancee an engagement ring! Why, Asshole Cousin gave Hippie Pixie a hand crafted ring he made from some pine needles. Not for her that glitz and glam of a cubic zirconia!

10 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Also - is Colt a computer "programmer?" If so, yes they make decent salaries in most parts of the country. But if he works at an IT help desk, he has a much lower income - maybe $50 - $60,000/year. That's ok for a single guy with no kids but it's not going to support the wealthy lifestyle Larissa wants.

According to Colt, he's a software engineer.

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15 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

 I know Russia has citizenship by blood. Will they recognice a second citizenship? If not would they even let Steven take the baby?

I got curious, so I looked. You can hold dual citizenship Russia/US. However, both countries require a passport from that country to enter or exit it.  So basically in order for Steven to take the baby out of Russia the baby needs a Russian passport, and for the baby to enter the US he needs a US passport.  It takes 4 to 6 weeks to get a US passport, plus whatever additional time for the rest of the paperwork since they are in Russia. To get a Russian passport for a baby can apparently take months depending on where you are in Russia. Steven's not leaving with that baby, and likely Olga isn't going to be able to leave as soon as her visa is approved, assuming Steven actually started the process like he said, since they haven't started the process to get the baby's passport yet.

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Some random thoughts before I read all of the succulent snark that you folks so lovingly create every week:

Did Steven say that he was nervous about meeting Olga’s friend because the friend was concerned about the way he treats Olga? If so, the show was taped a while ago so where did the friend’s impression— that alarmed her— come from? That Steven thinks he will take Richie to America is laughable. 

Asuelu is in for a miserable life if he marries Kalani. I mean, I’m thinking about when I was dating my husband. I could not wait to see him. We had a city hall ceremony and then took 6 members of the family to a nice restaurant so we did not have wedding plan drama. I know that is a source of fights among couples because of all the stress and they may want to kill each other but at the end of day, happy couples really love each other and are excited and thrilled about the wedding. These two seem to be one big sit down of complaints that Kalani has about Asuelu and I get the feeling that he is genuinely bewildered because of how upset he gets. He truly doesn’t know what to do and Kalani seems to think he should be a mindreader or magically know exactly what she wants. Ugh. Run Asuelu.

Eric is dead to me. “Get your shit and get out,” to your own kid? OMG. Yes, Leida, congratulations. You won. Feel good? You stupid bitch. I will add, however, that Eric said that Tasha could not pay rent in order to save up to move out. If she is doing that, then fuck Eric and Leida, but if she is staying at her boyfriends and contributing there or spending her money hanging out, then that is a problem. We don’t know what exactly is going on there though. I felt so bad for Tasha when she got so upset. Eric: you are an absolute prick.

Every scene with Colt as a wilting wussy pussbag and Larissa acting like the queen just reeks of an act so I have nothing to say about them. The cousin or whatever is seriously enjoying his TV time.

Ashley and Jay, no matter where they tie the knot, will not last. 

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58 minutes ago, eatsleep said:

Not sure what you mean by that. And he refers to his mother by name, "Debbie." Not saying that is evidence of hating her; I refer to my parents the same way, also an only child. But it is odd. I wonder how that started.

I’m sorry, I was not clear.  I think subconsciously Colt hates his mother.   The reason I say that is Colt appears to not like woman in general.   He treats Larissa with distain.  He is basically taking his anger for his mother on her while treating Debbie like gold.  A man with a healthy relationship with his mother, will normally has a healthy relationship with woman in general.  Colt has neither.  

Most men want to get married and have a family.  Debbie has twisted Colt’s thinking that she is and should always be Colt’s number one.  Colt, on some level, knows his relationship with his mother is off and is preventing him from living a normal life.   Why do you think he’s with Larissa?   She’s basically being held captive.  I don’t believe he will pay for a green card so she can work.  He will make some excuse that he can’t afford it.   If she works and brings in an income, all his power is lost.   Why didn’t he stick upbfor Larissa with his cousin?  Because he knows she there for the green card and he enjoyed his cousin ripping Larissa a new one.  Plus, if he stood up for her, he’d be showing loyalty to Larissa.  A big no no in Debbie’s book.  It also would legitimize what Larissa says about Debbie is true and the emotional incest Debbie has inflicted on her son.   

Larissa needs to find a good lawyer.  Right now she is an indentured sex slave.   But as long as Debbie appears to watch her every move, I doubt she’s even allowed out of the house without a Debbie in tow.  

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1 hour ago, IvySpice said:

But was she called BROKE? No. Darcey was obviously supporting herself and put a ton of effort into every look. I didn't love the aesthetic, but she matched who she claimed to be. Not like Leida, who talks a big game about Daddy's money and her life of luxury but doesn't appear to have a single possession worth noting.

1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

Someone who is that 'wealthy' may not have bags and shoes with large, flashy logos. She may have some understated items that don't scream 'look at me'! She just doesn't seem to have much of anything that evidences her wealth other than her parents being rich and her having a $300,000 first wedding. She can easily sell a bag on Kjiji or eBay to get some cash to help out with some of Eric's expenses.

To be fair, I'm sure logos are the easiest way for most people who are just generally familiar with fashion to identify if an item is from a high-end brand/designer (myself included, with the exception of a couple brands with which I've long been infatuated, lol) But, logos are definitely not the only way to tell.  In fact, I think it's fair to say that the higher you go up the high-end scale, the less obvious any logo or overt branding will be.  Not to mention that I somehow have a feeling that if Leida were sitting there doing her TH wearing bespoke Givenchy, carrying a Birkin bag, or whatever, she would most certainly put all of us on blast about it every week.... as she's certainly not shy about reiterating, ad nasuem, I mean, ummmm, sharing about, all the other things she has that she thinks make her appear oh-so-wealthy.

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I'm too mad at Bride of ISIS and GI Garbage to write a full recap or their sordid vortex of evil, they make my blood boil and steam come out of my ears like a pressure cooker.

I'm just going to list the insults I jotted down while watching the show.

  • Eric has a huge horizontal crack on his forehead. You can see it from space. If you step on his foot, Eric's top pops open and you can toss your trash in him. He's a proper garbage person.
  • Leida's eyebrows remind me of 80's porno pubic hair landing strips. When she's upset and squishes them together, a second anus forms in between them. Once you've noticed it, you'll never unsee it. When she relaxes her forehead sphincter you can get a glimpse of the fecal matter that makes up her personality. There's a job waiting for her in Annie's ping pong bar.
  • Eric is very principled about paying child support since he's probably in significant arrears and probably doesn't want his license suspended, and living in your car without a license might have been a big problem for him in the past. I almost want this to happen so that he and Miss Bitter Second and Third Fiddle Indonesia make an old Hyundai their permanent residence.
  • It's becoming clear that Eric is attracted to Leida because she's ISIS Personified, with the difference that the IEDs are sentient and stalk your family members to blow them up instead of you having to drive over them.
  • Tasha, your "father" has exactly what he longs for and deserves. When you declared that you are done with his "psychotic new wife," you were in good company. The whole world is done with her.
  • I do love how Leida gets obsessed with winning battles over the chunks of rubbish that make up Eric's life, and loses sight of the big picture. Much like Wile E. Coyote when he forgets that he wants to catch the Road Runner to eat it, and starts to plot to blow it to smithereens.
  • When a rage-filled, ballistic Leida gloated to Tasha "I'm the boss, now!" I reminded myself of the kingdom over which she rules: a box spring, fake swords, and a rat-chewed recliner.
  • Eric's answer for how he'll eventually make up for all his abject failures: "It. Takes. Time." As in, right after he sobers up, which he never will, especially with Wile E. Coyote as his wife.
  • We finally know what their plan is. "It Takes Time" Eric will help her become a doctor and they will become very rich, then she'll support him and buy all these luxuries she longs for by herself. Out of gratitude for Eric getting her started, he'll enjoy her undying gratitude and generosity, and she'll never leave him. Nothing will go wrong with this plan.
  • The first thing that will go wrong with this plan is that she'll never become a doctor, and will blame Eric for it. How am I so certain of this? No person with this much naked, uninhibited cruelty becomes a doctor because they'd be kicked out the residency program (if she makes it that far).
  • She's literally a human cuckoo, kicking out the parent bird chicks' and exhausting them with her insatiable hunger, to the point of becoming double their size. Yet she intends to marry a man who admitted that he picks and chooses which bills to pay every month, because he can't pay them all. This will go well.
  • "I'm going to let him pay his child support" the she-devil magnanimously decreed, after demanding that Eric give up his parental rights.
  • Her family was worried about her marrying a man with "baggage" as if her own previous failed marriage, child, etc. isn't baggage.
  • If this cruel, diabolical harpy and depraved washed up drunk don't stay together forever in glorious misery, there is no justice.
  • If I could have written a blessing for their wedding reception, it would be: "May the newlyweds spend every penny on vanity photo shoots for the beautiful bride until both starve to death." 
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  •  2 HOURS AGO, @MOTHRA SAID:

he and/or Debbie may be outstanding cooks whose skills require such an indulgence.

 

Hot dogs and hamburger patties that were pink because it's the cheap kind that's full of fat?

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16 hours ago, Honey said:

Is Eric supporting one child under the age of 18? In NY anyway child support is 18% of wages, so if he is paying $1,000/month, he's making $5,500 /month or $66,000/year.

If he is supporting 2 kids it's 22% of wages, so if he's paying $1,000/month he's making $4,500/month or $54,000/year.

These are what the figures are in NY (the last I knew), I can't imagine they're that much different in WI.

He's making okay money, so where is all of his money going?

I have a feeling he's been in arrears for some time.  That doesn't go away, unless the mother agrees to it (in my state - not sure how it works in other states).  I don't see that happening.

16 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

If Im wrong and Tasha is on the lease without Eric and, only just stopped paying rent l think Eric and Leida should move.  If they are both on the lease and Tasha has not been paying  rent for months she should go. 

It was just one month per Eric - whatever month the convo took place in.  He made some convoluted comment about utilities, but I didn't understand it.  Tasha was on the lease first, and added Eric when he was homeless.

14 hours ago, IvySpice said:

I am not in the habit of judging people for their poverty, but that is a HOVEL for Baraboo, Wisconsin. Housing is dirt cheap there compared to the "big cities" of Milwaukee and Madison. To demand to be boss of a garbage pail like that is pathetic. Pee on all the carpets, Leida; make sure to get your scent everywhere. You wouldn't even be queen of a trailer park.

I live in a mobile home community.  She wouldn't last.  There are rules to follow.

14 hours ago, CSunshine76 said:

Regardless of his monetary situation, NO ONE should suggest a father walk away from his responsibilities.  And the fact Leida, a mother herself, suggested this is mind boggling.  Would she want someone suggesting that about her child?  Bitch go back to Indonesia and live off your parents.

Because she wants him to support HER child.  Apparently the "love her life" ex does not.  Pot calling kettle......

8 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Have ever had the fiancés break up and call off the relationship?  

There are 3 couples that I can think of that got divorced, but none on the main show that called it off before the wedding (I don't watch "Before The 90 Days").  Their seasons have all aired, so I don't think it's a spoiler, but I'll refrain from mentioning them.

8 hours ago, renatae said:

I think he said earlier, when Leida first arrived, that it had been a couple of months since Tasha had paid rent. On this episode, it appears Tasha has actually been living with her boyfriend and just comes back in order to - - what?

4 hours ago, Honey said:

But they all said that she wasn't really even staying there, she's been staying at her BF's place most of the time, so she's only keeping that room to get under Leida's skin.  Time for her to move on.

It was one month - whatever the month that convo took place in.  He said he told her she could skip that month's rent to save up for a new apartment.  It's going to take more than one month's rent, but it's a start.  And Tasha said she had put in applications for apartments - it takes time.  I don't know of anyone who says "You can take it!" when they show someone an apartment.  They usually want to show it to others, run background checks, etc.  Eric said she was "staying" with her boyfriend  - I took that to mean that as soon as Leida started giving her crap, she was sleeping there, and appeared to be moving things out one load at a time.  Just because she can stay with her boyfriend doesn't mean she can permanently live there.  I wouldn't live in an apartment with someone so very hostile to me.

6 hours ago, readheaded said:

 And, don't get me started on their mother's hair.  Ick.  

Yes - that was disgusting.

5 hours ago, winsomeone said:

Fernanda better be careful, or she might get what she wishes for...a Colt/Debbie relationship for Jon and his mother.  If he were close to his mother, I am sure she would advise him against marrying a 20 year old girl from a different culture, who is insanely jealous of him.

I can tell she's super young.  When I was her age, I was well aware my future MIL didn't like me, and blamed me of a lot of the relationship issues she had with her son.  He wanted to stay away, and I pushed him to include her in things, pushing him to have a relationship with her, etc.  I didn't want to be the cause of their issues.  Took a LONG time to figure out that I wasn't the cause of her issues - just her excuse.  She needs to back off.

 

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

I didn't have a problem with this - that's the reality. Larissa has no idea at all what a budget is or how to live within one. Colt gave her a budget for the dress - she turned around and said that "you can't put a price on a dream" and that she should have a $100,000 dress if she wants one. Any time someone gives her a budget, she wants to ignore it. The only thing that will get through to her is telling her what her concrete choices are - kind of like telling a small child she can choose between peas or carrots but chocolate is not a vegetable.

I didn't think she was "threatening" the green card. Right now they have $1000. The dress is $1000. The green card is $1000. So they have enough money for one of those things. Larissa can choose which one. If she chooses the dress now, she will have to wait six months until Colt can save another $1000. That's not a threat - that's just math.

I thought it was a furniture set, which might not even include the mattress!

 

18 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

There is only one pot of money - which is whatever Colt currently has in his bank account. Debbie's point is that the pot isn't bottomless and they have significant expenses now - like Larissa's green card. They can get married within the 90 days without an expensive dress and Larissa can go ahead and get her green card. If Larissa absolutely can't live without the dress, then she can buy it - but there's not enough money left for the green card - so she can wear the dress on her way home to Brazil.

If she and Colt are going to be life partners, they yes, they should make decisions jointly. But in every single situation, Larissa has demonstrated that she can't make a responsible financial decision. She wants to outspend what they can afford every single time. She didn't want a less expensive car, couch or apartment. She wanted what she wanted and she didn't care if they had the cash or had to go into debt to get those things for her. If she knows what Colt makes and is willing to live within that budget, she wouldn't be braying about having a Jaguar in the future. And she doesn't care that Colt is easily influenced by the women around him, she cares that she can't out-influence Debbie, who at least is currently contributing to the household when Larissa is not in any way that I can see (nutella toast for one breakfast notwithstanding). $1,000 is a perfectly reasonable - even generous - budget for a wedding dress. She can find a gorgeous dress for that amount but that's not what she wants to do. She just wants to spend and spend and spend. 

Also - is Colt a computer "programmer?" If so, yes they make decent salaries in most parts of the country. But if he works at an IT help desk, he has a much lower income - maybe $50 - $60,000/year. That's ok for a single guy with no kids but it's not going to support the wealthy lifestyle Larissa wants.

Exactly.  While Debbie didn't do it very well, she was trying to drive home the point that the money pit is not bottomless.  She can choose an over-budget dress, or money to get her green card.  It wasn't the best analogy, but Larissa has no clue about finances.  She just wants the biggest and best of everything, and that's that.  While all of their shopping trips have been producer driven drama, the one with the car stuck out at me the most, with her insisting on that super expensive SUV "Because it's sexy", and no amount of Colt showing her another car better suited for their budget worked, and then it became "Well, they hate me because they wouldn't let me have the sexy car".  Heck, in their first episode, she was pouting because Coltee had to change her ticket due to the Visa not being approved and didn't want to spend double the money to bring her over immediately, and she did her "You don't love me" routine then too.  That should have been Clue 1, and he should have called it off then.  As I said on their individual thread, I don't buy that Colt is some master manipulator.  Nor Debbie.  Colt is a spineless weak-willed mama's boy man-baby who can't make a stand on any topic or issue to save his life.  I also don't believe that Debbie ever laid a hand on Larissa.  I think she's seen too much American "Reality" TV Garbage and assumes that something is going to turn violent and cops need to be called.  I have no use for Cousinee Coltee, though.  That was out of line.  However, if someone was raging that much, I might be afraid to tell them to shut up if they could overpower me (and pretty much anyone can overpower Coltee).  I'd do my best to send them home and not invite them back.

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After watching this episode I really don't believe Steven is "trying to steal the baby" from Olga.  I truly think he believes he is being responsible by trying to give them options.  Maybe he thinks it will make it easier to bring Olga if the baby is in the US as a citizen. I'm really surprised that everyone here was completely sensible at age 20 - no one every came up with pie-in-the-sky solutions for a problem that were in reality completely off base.  He's 20 and trying to deal with bureaucracy that neither of them really understand.  They NEVER show him trying to sneak around to get a passport for the baby behind her back and even show previews of him discussing this plan with Olga.  These are not the actions of a man trying to steal a baby.  

 

36 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

There is only one pot of money - which is whatever Colt currently has in his bank account. Debbie's point is that the pot isn't bottomless and they have significant expenses now - like Larissa's green card. They can get married within the 90 days without an expensive dress and Larissa can go ahead and get her green card. If Larissa absolutely can't live without the dress, then she can buy it - but there's not enough money left for the green card - so she can wear the dress on her way home to Brazil.

The perfectly sums up Larissa - she wants what she wants when she wants it.  She has no sense of reality when it comes to finances.  However, none of her failings justify Colt simply sitting there while his cousin called her a bitch.  I understand his point that another person joining in with yelling and screaming was not going do be productive but he made absolutely NO effort to diffuse the situation.  He could have tried to separate them until they calmed down rather that simply sit there like a lump.

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This is a legit thought if Coltee and Larissa would forego wedding expenses and invest in Debbie's smile, her teeth, she would be completely out of their hair. It is just an opinion but I think she feels self conscious and wrapped up in what goes on in her house and insulates her, instead of her own life, future and personal goals. I've legit seen this self investment change people's lives.  

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1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Maybe she is getting a disability check, can you work if you are getting that check?

My, you are generous...I give him 6 weeks.  

I am sure it depends.  If you are claiming you can’t work at all then maybe the check is dependent on that. 

 

That sounds more like workers comp.  You are not supposed to work. 

But, if you are claiming a certain disability and can still do certain jobs....well, it all depends.

 

All those people working at Goodwill and all those military vets can work and still collect their checks.  There is no way people can live off those checks alone. I have seen a lot of jobs seeking ‘disabled vets.’ 

 

Also, didn’t they change the welfare laws where people have to be employed or actively job seeking?

 

It is nice for Debbie to be collecting herself a free check, but Larissa can’t have anything bought for her!  This is why I don’t like her.  She is very selfish and self-serving.  The cousin talking about Larissa’s ring and how she doesn’t work.  Calling her a gold digger.  Every woman wants nice things.  That is not a gold digger.

 

I am sure  Larissa is gold digging every time she eats a free bowl of Debbie’s stew!  Stew bought with government money!

 

Larissa is not a gold digger.  Larissa is a green card digger!!!  There is a difference!  😂  

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10 minutes ago, Dance4Life said:

I am sure it depends.  If you are claiming you can’t work at all then maybe the check is dependent on that. 

 

That sounds more like workers comp.  You are not supposed to work. 

But, if you are claiming a certain disability and can still do certain jobs....well, it all depends.

 

All those people working at Goodwill and all those military vets can work and still collect their checks.  There is no way people can live off those checks alone. I have seen a lot of jobs seeking ‘disabled vets.’ 

 

Also, didn’t they change the welfare laws where people have to be employed or actively job seeking?

 

It is nice for Debbie to be collecting herself a free check, but Larissa can’t have anything bought for her!  This is why I don’t like her.  She is very selfish and self-serving.  The cousin talking about Larissa’s ring and how she doesn’t work.  Calling her a gold digger.  Every woman wants nice things.  That is not a gold digger.

 

I am sure  Larissa is gold digging every time she eats a free bowl of Debbie’s stew!  Stew bought with government money!

 

Larissa is not a gold digger.  Larissa is a green card digger!!!  There is a difference!  😂  

If Debbie is receiving some sort of disability, then no, she really can't work.  Any money she'd receive from a job would be reduced out of her disability payments.  And disability is not a free check for someone her age.  She worked and paid in to that.  If she had been a housewife her entire life, she wouldn't have anything to draw from, so she must have worked.  It's a moot point anyway, as she's at the age she can move to social security, both of which aren't much to sustain someone unless they had private retirement funds or pensions.  My parents wouldn't be doing as well as they are if they hadn't set aside money in 401K and Retirement funds.  My grandparents always struggled and it broke my heart.

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2 hours ago, eatsleep said:

OMG. I didn't even consider that. I don't think Eric would conceive of such and idea but I can see him being talked into it.

Eric would do it to prove to Leida she is his priority. Leida is only happy if Eric proves he cares more about her than his children through cruelty. 

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15 hours ago, CSS.MD said:

Exactly. She does not seem the type to be low-key or discreet about her wealth. If she really had it, I’m 1000% certain she would’ve FLAUNTED THE HELL OUT OF IT.

But she doesn’t. So all she has is words, words, words...

Ind

Also, her family look like they could EASILY BE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOURS! (I’m upper-middle class, not “Crazy Rich Asians”.)

Wealthy in Indonesia may not translate to U.S. amounts.  According to Quora, a live-in maid with no limits on working hours in Indonesia costs approximately $250/month. That's less than $75/weekly.  The employer must provide 3 meals a day that do not have to be consistent with the family's meals. In lieu of meals, the domestic worker must receive groceries and facilities to prepare their own meals.  A monthly sack of rice or turnips and a hot plate would satisfy that requirement.  

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2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I didn't have a problem with this - that's the reality. Larissa has no idea at all what a budget is or how to live within one. Colt gave her a budget for the dress - she turned around and said that "you can't put a price on a dream" and that she should have a $100,000 dress if she wants one. Any time someone gives her a budget, she wants to ignore it. The only thing that will get through to her is telling her what her concrete choices are - kind of like telling a small child she can choose between peas or carrots but chocolate is not a vegetable.

I didn't think she was "threatening" the green card. Right now they have $1000. The dress is $1000. The green card is $1000. So they have enough money for one of those things. Larissa can choose which one. If she chooses the dress now, she will have to wait six months until Colt can save another $1000. That's not a threat - that's just math.

I thought it was a furniture set, which might not even include the mattress!

Apparently Larissa can put a price tag on a dream: $100,000. LOL!

One thing I don't believe is Larissa saying that Coltey made Jorge like grand promises to keep her in luxury and buy her everything she wanted! I don't believe that. I can believe he promised to take care of her but within reason and his budget but that is not what Larissa heard or wanted to hear. 

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

I'm not certain how much of what we're seeing is real.  I remember Nicole Kidman's line from the movie, "To Die For" where she says, "You're not anybody unless you're on TV."  I think a lot of these people feel that way, even if it's a low budget reality show.  They can say to themselves, "at least I WAS ON TV."  That's important to a lot of people.

Something about Jay and Ashley strikes me as very fake. I don't believe this was the first black guy she dated either. 

If I were a friend of Ashley, I would stop agreeing to be a bridesmaid in her weddings. How much money have these women wasted buying dresses for weddings that never happen?!?

I found it interesting that Jonathan said that him and his mom used to be really close and talk every day but grew apart after his move and he became more self-centered. That is a big admission to make to himself and the public. Fernanda is one of the few likable people on this show. 

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Steven: I'm thinking of taking my son back to America. I'm not sure how Olga will take that idea.

Me: BADLY.

Colt: I'm not sure what to do about this situation.

Me: Well, I can tell you what not to do. I recommend not standing there like a simpering, spineless loser while your friend refers to your finance as "that bitch."

Leida: I just want to Eric to stop paying his child support.

Me: HE CAN'T. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

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38 minutes ago, Dance4Life said:

I am sure it depends.  If you are claiming you can’t work at all then maybe the check is dependent on that. 

 

That sounds more like workers comp.  You are not supposed to work. 

But, if you are claiming a certain disability and can still do certain jobs....well, it all depends.

 

All those people working at Goodwill and all those military vets can work and still collect their checks.  There is no way people can live off those checks alone. I have seen a lot of jobs seeking ‘disabled vets.’ 

 

Also, didn’t they change the welfare laws where people have to be employed or actively job seeking?

 

It is nice for Debbie to be collecting herself a free check, but Larissa can’t have anything bought for her!  This is why I don’t like her.  She is very selfish and self-serving.  The cousin talking about Larissa’s ring and how she doesn’t work.  Calling her a gold digger.  Every woman wants nice things.  That is not a gold digger.

 

I am sure  Larissa is gold digging every time she eats a free bowl of Debbie’s stew!  Stew bought with government money!

 

Larissa is not a gold digger.  Larissa is a green card digger!!!  There is a difference!  😂  

Of you are a military vet who is 100% disabled you can work any job you want for any amount of money, see, John McCain.  If you are rated 100% Disabled by the VA due to”unemployability” You cant work for whatt is called substantial gainful activity.That means that you cannot make more than around $1000 a month. SSDI has the same substantial gainful activity rule.

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I think the families, meaning Colt's, Kalini's, Chantel's from last season and Ashley's friends, act the way they do because, sadly, relationships and marriages don't seem to last today and it seems that people are crazier and meaner than before.  Where people before would think about revenge, jilted partners actually go through with those thoughts.  I've been reading posts here about how people want to punch Leida.  Now, I don't like Leida, but why the need for violence?  

Maybe the families and friends are afraid of a "Dirty John" situation, watch that show if you want to see how bad a relationship/marriage can be.  

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12 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

If Debbie is receiving some sort of disability, then no, she really can't work.  Any money she'd receive from a job would be reduced out of her disability payments.  And disability is not a free check for someone her age.  She worked and paid in to that.  If she had been a housewife her entire life, she wouldn't have anything to draw from, so she must have worked.  It's a moot point anyway, as she's at the age she can move to social security, both of which aren't much to sustain someone unless they had private retirement funds or pensions.  My parents wouldn't be doing as well as they are if they hadn't set aside money in 401K and Retirement funds.  My grandparents always struggled and it broke my heart.

Thank you for explaining.  Yea, that is kinda my point.  If she is getting her own retirement money, (whatever program it is coming from) then that should be her own money.  That is HER budget.

 

Colt can pay the bills....housing, electricity, car, etc.  It is something he has to do, regardless, and he is the one employed. Let’s assume he doesn’t need Debbie’s money  to make ends meet.

 

Debbie can keep the non A/C car and Colt gets a new car. 

 

Now, Colt got himself a green card wife.  He knows the deal.  So, he needs to take care of Larissa and Debbie should have ZERO input.

 

If Larissa is not good with money then Colt should tell her.  Hey, this is our monthly salary.   I am going to give you xxxx amount and that is yours to spend.  I am going to buy your green card, and then you will be able to work and have more money. 

Debbie, running the show in their marriage is a No-No!  No marriage with 3 people has ever been successful! Debbie needs to accept her fate because Larissa is going to marry  Colt.  Larissa, is here for a green card.  She is not going back to Brazil.

 

The way I see it, it is Debbie making problems for herself. Gossiping to the cousin was out of line.  If Larissa hates Debbie now, well it is Debbie’s fault.  How dare Debbie allow someone come to her house to berate another woman??? Call her a bitch.  Unforgivable.  I would never talk to Debbie again.  

 

Every scene on this show is always same.  That over budget wedding dress scene is played out.  It is easy to ‘make-up’ a price for the show to add shock value.  I have noticed a lot of the girls end up wearing this ‘so-called’ over budget dress. Most likely fake scenes.

 

They never go to David’s Bridal, either! They have tons of nice dresses for her $1,000 budget.  

 

I bought a ‘trash the dress’ at David’s Bridal for $250 and it was really nice.  Fabric was not high end, but it would make a nice dress for a budget wedding. It looked beautiful in the photos.

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17 hours ago, EarlGreyTea said:

I never, ever thought we'd see a fiance more unlikeable than Anfisa. What a time to be alive.

 

We are truly living in a golden age, earlgreytea.

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Leida is, in many ways, a cuckoo. The cuckoo bird is known for laying its eggs in other birds' nests, and destroying the original eggs. Plus, she is just plain cuckoo; no doubt, her favorite breakfast food is Cocoa Puffs.

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19 minutes ago, Dance4Life said:

Thank you for explaining.  Yea, that is kinda my point.  If she is getting her own retirement money, (whatever program it is coming from) then that should be her own money.  That is HER budget.

 

Colt can pay the bills....housing, electricity, car, etc.  It is something he has to do, regardless, and he is the one employed. Let’s assume he doesn’t need Debbie’s money  to make ends meet.

 

Debbie can keep the non A/C car and Colt gets a new car. 

 

Now, Colt got himself a green card wife.  He knows the deal.  So, he needs to take care of Larissa and Debbie should have ZERO input.

 

If Larissa is not good with money then Colt should tell her.  Hey, this is our monthly salary.   I am going to give you xxxx amount and that is yours to spend.  I am going to buy your green card, and then you will be able to work and have more money. 

Debbie, running the show in their marriage is a No-No!  No marriage with 3 people has ever been successful! Debbie needs to accept her fate because Larissa is going to marry  Colt.  Larissa, is here for a green card.  She is not going back to Brazil.

 

The way I see it, it is Debbie making problems for herself. Gossiping to the cousin was out of line.  If Larissa hates Debbie now, well it is Debbie’s fault.  How dare Debbie allow someone come to her house to berate another woman??? Call her a bitch.  Unforgivable.  I would never talk to Debbie again.  

 

Every scene on this show is always same.  That over budget wedding dress scene is played out.  It is easy to ‘make-up’ a price for the show to add shock value.  I have noticed a lot of the girls end up wearing this ‘so-called’ over budget dress. Most likely fake scenes.

 

They never go to David’s Bridal, either! They have tons of nice dresses for her $1,000 budget.  

 

I bought a ‘trash the dress’ at David’s Bridal for $250 and it was really nice.  Fabric was not high end, but it would make a nice dress for a budget wedding. It looked beautiful in the photos.

I agree that Debbie should be out of the house, but as a fellow only child, I get a little bit of Colt's position - he's somewhat responsible for his mom because he has no one else to help (save for rageaholic cousin who I would not trust) - I am in that situation.  When he wanted to have his mom live on her own, but nearby, that was not acceptable to Larissa.  He also has told her that there is a budget for things, or they can't afford them, and she puts on her vacant smile with "But this is sexy and I want it.  We get this NOW!", and when it's reiterated that they can't afford it, she pouts.  Much of that is producer driven, as it has been in the past with other couples (Anfisa, etc), but she has no concept of anything other than "I WANT NOW!!", and he's in for a tough time with her.  And that's somewhat on him.  As for David's Bridal, they're on the verge of bankruptcy, so I wouldn't go there for anything, as you'd probably lose whatever you give them and not get a dress, but Vegas is quickie wedding central, and I can't imagine there aren't shops there with better pricing.  And the 2nd dress she tried on - the one she was bent on despite it being way over budget - did nothing for her.  I liked the first one better.

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17 hours ago, Honey said:

Is Eric supporting one child under the age of 18? In NY anyway child support is 18% of wages, so if he is paying $1,000/month, he's making $5,500 /month or $66,000/year.

If he is supporting 2 kids it's 22% of wages, so if he's paying $1,000/month he's making $4,500/month or $54,000/year.

These are what the figures are in NY (the last I knew), I can't imagine they're that much different in WI.

He's making okay money, so where is all of his money going?

I did the same math yesterday 

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1 hour ago, trimthatfat said:

She’s been engaged 3 times

Oh hell no!  This is my rule:  I will do you good for ONE wedding.  You pick the wrong person, not my fault and I am out.

1 hour ago, funky-rat said:

and added Eric when he was homeless.

There!  Right there!  HE WAS HOMELESS?  Oh, if I may again?  Oh hell no!  If Tasha is on the lease then she is stupid to leave.  Many apartments have a limit on how many people can live in a place.  The dad should have taken care of this BEFORE SHE GOT TO U.S.

 

6 minutes ago, brillia79 said:

Next week, he’ll be trying to gaslight her into thinking the baby will be better off with him. He, with no home, no money, no breastmilk - and anger issues around attention for him vs. the immediate needs of the baby.

Olga already is ahead of him maturity and in life wise.  She has an apartment.  There is no way in hell that baby is leaving his mother.

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57 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Fernanda is one of the few likable people on this show. 

Which is why it is so difficult watching her consign her future to that self-absorbed asshole.

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56 minutes ago, Maximadc said:

I did the same math yesterday 

My husband in PA made over $100K. His child support for 2 kids was $452/month, and he stopped paying it by moving to GA and changing companies.   

Yes, I had good attorneys. He had better ones.

I suspect that Leida added all of Droopy's deductions (including garnishments for unpaid bills) together and called it "child support". After all, if it's not for her, it doesn't matter where it's going. She don't like it!

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5 hours ago, brillia79 said:

Rushing a teenager into moving in with a boyfriend so you can keep her apartment for yourself. Yeah, that’s a great idea.

If her being there is a problem and she’s on the lease, Eric and his demon bride are welcome to go find their own place.

Hmm... I wonder what’s stopping them (bad credit)?

Tasha is better off without them.  The reason she doesn't even have a mattress on her futon is because they took it, so when she wanted to stay there, she had to sleep on the floor.  That's what she said online anyway.

They couldn't legally kick her out if she wanted to stay, only the building owner/leasing company could do that, IF she's not paying.  It's time for her to move on though, that place is toxic.

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4 minutes ago, Honey said:

Tasha is better off without them.  The reason she doesn't even have a mattress on her futon is because they took it, so when she wanted to stay there, she had to sleep on the floor.  That's what she said online anyway.

They couldn't legally kick her out if she wanted to stay, only the building owner/leasing company could do that, IF she's not paying.  It's time for her to move on though, that place is toxic.

Don’t these people believe in putting locks on their doors?   Seriously, if you don’t want someone coming in your room, then lock your door.  

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18 hours ago, JennyMominFL said:

At 19 I had been in the Marines for 2 years, My son had been in the Army for 2 years. Tasha is not a child. She has not paid rent in months and she trashes the house, She needs to go. Frankly so does Leida.

I agree that Tasha is not a child, she hasn't paid rent, and she trashes the place.  Leida is setting boundaries- good for her. 

Same old story lines as the last few seasons.  The Larissa "calling the cops" scene was done by prior fiances Jessie and the little guy from the DR.  The fiance wanting the over-budget wedding dress was done by prior fiance Anfisa.  The family drama involving the overgrown kid Asuelo and his earth mother/fiance Kalini, been there done that.  More of the same.

At least we'll get a new story line with the couple in Russia- fiance trying to leave a foreign country with his foreign born baby- hey, that's a new one for us!  Oh, and I sort of feel badly saying this, but Debbie really should see a dermatologist about having that big growth removed from her face.  Ugh, it's so ugly and probably a very easy fix.

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9 hours ago, SabineElisabeth said:

Fairy tales about a parent siding with a new abusive spouse against his/her child?  Off to look up the meaning of "fairy tale," because that situation is the antithesis of a fairy tale, as I've always understood the term, at least.

And thank you for starting off my day with the amazing snark.  :-)  Choked on my diet coke at the thought of Eric in a board meeting!!  Pretty sure that mental image will stay with me for a while and prompt a snort every time the thought runs through my head.  ;-)

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2 hours ago, eatsleep said:

They're still out the same money, either way.

Yes, but they could have kept their money and spent it on something that they wanted  instead of acquiring a dress that they will never wear. When one agrees to be a bridesmaid, the idea is that you get a party with a great meal, good memories, nice pictures, several rides in limos and drinking/dancing with hot groomsmen in exchange for buying that ugly dress with matching shoes. 

Ashley Too-Much-Eyewhite has likely left them with a $400 back of the closet dress before. I'd send her a bill if I were them.

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2 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

After watching this episode I really don't believe Steven is "trying to steal the baby" from Olga.  I truly think he believes he is being responsible by trying to give them options.  Maybe he thinks it will make it easier to bring Olga if the baby is in the US as a citizen. I'm really surprised that everyone here was completely sensible at age 20 - no one every came up with pie-in-the-sky solutions for a problem that were in reality completely off base.  He's 20 and trying to deal with bureaucracy that neither of them really understand.  They NEVER show him trying to sneak around to get a passport for the baby behind her back and even show previews of him discussing this plan with Olga.  These are not the actions of a man trying to steal a baby.  

I'm sorry, I disagree.  Steven doesn't at all think he's being responsible for his "family".  He thinks the answer to all of his problems is to have a close relationship with his son.  He thinks it's all fishing trips and games of catch.  Never mind that Olga is an excellent mom who is breastfeeding Richie, and Steven is homeless, he just knows it's better for him to have Richie.

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