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On 10/5/2018 at 10:56 AM, Bizabra said:

Liking it, if the women ARE a bit too modern. But what really bugs is that their hair is all hanging about loosely and looking all shiny and bouncy and beautiful. In reality, all that hair would be bound up and covered with their caps. It would be greasy, to our way of thinking, and not bouncy and curly and amazing!  Ugh!

Yes - just caught episode one on PBS tonight and found that distracting.  I don't necessarily need everyone to look like they bathed once a year, but I have noticed in the last ten years or so, the PBS/BBC dramas have really thrown out any historical accuracy for women hairstyles and they almost all now have their hair down and curled like they are part of the Celtic Women singer/dancers.  It is distracting enough when it is some 18th or 19th century country estate, but that is magnified ten fold when they are in an early, muddy, 17th century colony where they would not exactly be living a life of leisure. 

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Egads, this show bugs. Verity is an idiot and deserves to hang. Her husband hiding stuff down the well is stupid. Why not bury the stuff deep in the woods? Henry is terrible. Silas is a moron. The Secretary is too moustache-twirling. The bouncy blond is stupid. The blacksmith is a stalker. Ugh. This should have been better, but it's just a soap opera set in colonial times. Awful, disappointing.

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 Just binge season one. This show is so out there and wild it reminds me of the first one or two glorious seasons of Sleepyhollow before it went off the rails. Of course it’s ridiculous. Everyone has perfect teeth and looks like they shampoo their hair daily and the clothes all look clean too. And yes, though annoying, Mercy is quite pretty and it’s not really plausible that she would have been a single maid serving the recorder when there were no other women in town, does anyone even know how that happened?

 

Also, having watched Game of Thrones, I find it quite impossible that Silas would run into a burning building have been burned once himself . He has almost no scars except for a few kind of nice looking ones on one side of his face, he lost no hair or eyebrows. One building going up like that should have immediately set fire to other buildings and the the flames just somehow doused them selves? But as I said this show is all kinds of silly and I enjoy it anyway; I like the performances. 

 

I especially like Irish Verity, although they never call her Irish she clearly is Irish and in one episode was even singing “the parting glass.” She and her husband are exceptionally well matched, and I want him to be sober so he can be a better man and verity can love him. I actually wonder if they’ve consummated the marriage yet.

 

the slaves though add quite a level of darkness that I don’t think will suit the shows out there silliness.

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I have caught up with the first three episodes. Initial thoughts- I knew James and Widow Castle we’re going to have some steamy moments with all the slapping going on. Trying to redeem Henry isn’t going to work for me, and I think Alice has post partum poor thing. 

 

I am enjoying Pedro and “Maria”(I cannot recall her real name) as characters and perspectives of how one psychologically deals with slavery. While I would never blame Maria for holding out hope she would be reunited with her family, and I 100% understand how she wouldn’t want to live as a slave (I can see why enslaved persons thought suicide was an option), but I also understand Pedro’s desire to have hope. I see how the Governor is manipulating him to exert control over the other slaves. 

 

It should be a good season. 

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On 3/27/2018 at 12:29 PM, Peper81 said:

I'm not so sure I'm really liking this goldmine secondary storyline.  I like the focus being on the settlement and the women navigating it.  I don't particularly care about some map of a goldmine that may or may not have led to a man's death that we never saw and don't know.  Also, who is the other English guy that is in the Native American camp?  Not the brother, the other one, and who is he to this whole story.  I've had a hard time following what is going on there.  

I really do like Jocelyn and I hope she'll continue to get the better of Farlow and Redwick.  I imagine she has a very dark side and it'll be interesting to see when it finally comes out in full.  

So far, I'm loving this show and need to finish up the remaining episodes but I'm afraid of how long my wait will be once I finish this season.  

I'm loving the show. I just started watching on PBS and didn't catch it at the beginning of the season so I don't know the characters and the storyline very well. I think I've watched three episodes total and the end of the last one showed Alices first (supposedly dead) husband come back to Jamestown. I hope I can find the episodes I missed and I hope there are other seasons. I love historical dramas. I'm just now watching Downton Abbey. 

On 10/5/2018 at 4:33 PM, snowwhyte said:

If she's an indentured servant she isn't free to marry. Plus she's really annoying and even a desperate man might hesitate to be permanently tied to her.

I don't think she's all there. Her family probably "gave" her into servitude because she was considered slow and just another mouth to feed.

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On 11/2/2018 at 12:55 PM, Bizabra said:

Egads, this show bugs. Verity is an idiot and deserves to hang. Her husband hiding stuff down the well is stupid. Why not bury the stuff deep in the woods? Henry is terrible. Silas is a moron. The Secretary is too moustache-twirling. The bouncy blond is stupid. The blacksmith is a stalker. Ugh. This should have been better, but it's just a soap opera set in colonial times. Awful, disappointing.

It's a bit like a "historical" romance come to life. Lol It's been glamorized, you could say. Maybe they saw the success of Downton Abbey and decided to try a different century.

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17 hours ago, Pebble Puppy said:

I don't think she's all there. Her family probably "gave" her into servitude because she was considered slow and just another mouth to feed.

Yes I agree that we are supposed to infer that Mercy has a mental disability (although she is high functioning). She may have been the daughter of one of the servants in the Castell household I am glad she hasn’t been a target for sexual abuse (which IRL wouldn’t surprise me) but Recorder Castell was very kind to her. Much kinder than Jocyeln. 

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On 3/29/2018 at 10:20 PM, Ms Lark said:

If you donate enough to your PBS channel, you should get "Passport" which is the PBS streaming channel. I bumped up my annual donation enough to be eligible. I think that's the only way to watch Jamestown in the US so far.

I think Hulu has it too, according to my internet search, at least I hope so.

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Oy, this show. Did I miss something, or did Alice have her baby almost instantly after rolling down that hill? I feel like there was a scene cut between the topple and the birth. Any UK viewers who can chime in on this?

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On 12/11/2018 at 9:29 PM, spaceghostess said:

Oy, this show. Did I miss something, or did Alice have her baby almost instantly after rolling down that hill? I feel like there was a scene cut between the topple and the birth. Any UK viewers who can chime in on this?

Yes- it was a two second labor on our end. 

 

I just saw episode 4 with my Mom. She thinks Mercy is developing a crush on James Reed (I agree) but if Mercy were to marry I prefer her with Pepper! They really like each other a lot. 

 

I want more scenes between Alice and Henry’s new wife. As Silas and Henry were fighting I agreed with Silas- if the writers are going to try and “redeem” Henry (as in almost dying in the boat fire and getting is face messed up made him think about not being an evil rapist) he should NOT betray the people that SAVED HIS DAMN LIFE, because he wants to kiss up to the governor. 

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Tried to watch the first episode of this on MPT last night.  It was god-awful.  It was the worst mix of soap opera and bodice ripper I've ever seen.  I couldn't even get to the historical inaccuracy because I was too distracted by the terrible writing and worse acting.  I actually gave up with 15 minutes to go - it was that bad.

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On ‎10‎/‎05‎/‎2018 at 12:40 PM, izabella said:

At the same time, it does blow open the myth that this country was founded by good Christians looking for a place to practice their religion, in favor of the truth.  It was founded by rich traders who stole land and brought criminals/indentured servants (and later, black slaves from Africa) to grow crops to send back to England and get richer off other people's work.

Depends on what part of the country you're talking about.  Massachusetts was founded by annoying Puritans determined to force their religion onto everyone else.  Virginia was founded by men in it for the money.

Edited to note that most of the original colonies were founded by men in it for the money.  Massachusetts is one of the few outliers in that respect.

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I caught the season finale. The thing I love most about this show is that all the characters are incredibly complex and well developed. The Hungarian landscape is gorgeous. 

 

We know Silas isn’t leaving the show so he will make it back to Jamestown somehow. Pedro & Maria are united and have their eye on Yarldey’s wife. Jocelyn will rebuild her farm- next season should be awesome. 

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I caught several actors in Jamestown (Silas and the Doctor) in Medici: Masters of Florence on Netflix. I started a thread for that show but I’m all alone! (It’s under dramas). If you like Jamestown I think you’d like Medici as well. 

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I've watched the first four episodes of Season 1.  So far, I pretty much agree with everyone else here.  It's entirely too clean, hair that clean and curly isn't realistic at all.  The storyline is soapy.  So far it's drawn me in, so I plan to watch the rest of Season 1 and Season 2. 

The population of Jamestown in this time isn't clear, but there were many more people living there than we see on the show.  Women started coming to Jamestown in 1608.  It was around 1618 or 1619 that the Virginia Company realized that to sustain the population more women were needed, so that's when we begin to see women sent as potential wives for the unmarried men.

More recently, archaeologists led by Dr. William "Bill" Kelso have found the foundational post holes for the fort, and thousands upon thousands of artifacts, many of which were found in abandoned wells that were used as dumps after they were no longer useful.

I live in the area and have been to a number of presentations at Historic Jamestowne, and the stories are fascinating, with machinations "behind the scenes" emphasizing that our democracy was not easily come by.

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Season 3 (the final one) starts airing on Sky One in the UK on Friday the 26th April. 

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I have two more episodes in Season 2 to watch.  The supernatural/superstition stuff in episode 6 was kind of eerie.  Also, how long have we understood the science behind the solar eclipse, and how eyes can be damaged by looking directly at one?  Glad Massinger is done for, good riddance, but how it was done was pretty brutal.  And how many times are they going to dig up Castell?!!!

I’m liking Temperence better, but she’d best watch herself around the Governor.

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