S13.E20: Reunion Part 2

[Reality police]

11 minutes ago, MajorNelson said:

I heard that and assumed there was a community with it's own gates inside Coto de Caza, however I have no idea.  Maybe like @walnutqueen alluded to it it's like Bible/Dante's gates/levels of hell.

That inner level would most definitely be Vickie's, Tamra's, and Gina's houses.

[kicksave]

12 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

I think Tamra is SO jealous of Shannon's wealth that she can't see straight.  Shannon comes from money and married well (as my grandmother would say).  She is getting divorced and is not suffering financially.  Shannon's QVC venture is successful.  How many money making schemes has Tamara tried and failed?  Tamra is so envious she is greener than Godzilla.

If Tamra was so upset by Shannon's "neediness" during her divorce she could have talked to her "friend" about it off camera.  Instead she waits almost a year so she can use it on the show for a storyline.  Then she does not talk to Shannon about it, she bitches and laughs about her to the other housewives.  Shannon ends up hearing about it from Gina and Emily.  Tamra is not a shy little flower and if Tamra were that upset by Shannon's behavior, she would have talked to her months ago.  Tamra saved all her venom to get back at Shannon at the reunion.  The hate in Tamra's eyes was chilling. 

I  couldn't agree more...Tamra has always used other women on this show. Remember her "friendship" with Gretchen? Anyone who believes for a nano second that Tamra is capable of true friendship is a fool. She uses people and spits them out when she's done. She had plenty of opportunities to have a convo with Shannon, off camera, to tell her that she is being self absorbed...but she didn't. That whole thing with Tamra and her asshat mother having that discussion of Shannon was hurtful. No one gives a crap what Tamra's trashy mother thinks. Tamra seems to save up her best snake in the grass behavior for the reunion shows...spewing and spitting out hate filled venom at a her target de jours. Shannon will need two day a week therapy sessions to deal with the public betrayal of someone she thought was not only a friend but a confidente. I'm tired of Tamra and her call girl dresses and spray tanned boobs and legs. I'm all for firing her ass. And Vicki was MIA during the lambasting of Shannon by Tamra...actually, none of the women stepped into the conversation to support Shannon. It seemed to me they all piled on her. Honestly, Shannon should quit the show...she needs to concentrate on her kids and on her own mental and physical health. She has a business now and plenty to focus on without the distraction of this show which is not doing her any favors. There is no three amigas...say adios and get your life back.

Kelly seems very unstable to me...more than ever. Her behavior has been erratic and confrontational..in fact, it's been scary at times with the middle school type verbal attacks and facial expressions coupled with the flip side of crying jags and weeping. I call BS that she is fine with Michael dating another woman...she became psychotic over him dating a friend of Vicki and Steve's...no way she is cool with any woman dating her ex.

Gina...ugh...I must say, I find her to be one of the most obnoxious Housewives ever. Her attacks on Shannon were totally out of control...and mean spirited. For someone who was just dumped by her husband you would think she would have a little compassion or empathy for a fellow housewife who is in the throes of a divorce. 

Emily: I felt badly for her. The personal attacks by total strangers on her social media accounts is reprehensible and cruel. 

Vicki: She did enough damage in part one of the Reunion so I guess she decided shut her yapper for part two. As far as Vicki is concerned, she has no credibility on anything. She and Tamra deserve each other...two vipers from the same nest.

[Guinnessgirl]

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Gina...ugh...I must say, I find her to be one of the most obnoxious Housewives ever. Her attacks on Shannon were totally out of control...and mean spirited. For someone who was just dumped by her husband you would think she would have a little compassion or empathy for a fellow housewife who is in the throes of a divorce. 

Yes!  She just seems like her whole purpose is to go after Shannon.  She just sits there glaring.  I don't get what all the animosity is and it has been there from the get go.

[Misslindsey]

Seriously there are three parts to this reunion? Sigh. This could have been a two part reunion or even better a one part reunion.

I have never been enamored with Shannon so I am fine with Gina and even Tamra going in on her. The only time I liked Shannon was when she was on the outs with Vicki, but then they all made up. 

I would rather watch Gina, Emily, and Kelly than Vicki, Tamra, and Shannon. I would love to see one or more of the tres amigas gone, but that will never happen. For me it is like lather, rinse, repeat with those three.

I think Emily looks good. I question some of her fashion choices, but I question a lot of the housewives fashion choices. Of the OC, I think Heather was pretty consistent in her outfits. Then again, Heather's fashion choices alined closest to my own, so I am biased.

[RHJunkie]

3 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Underwhelming BS about who said what and what they meant/didn't mean by what they said. Snoresville. Except..... the last 10 minutes. Then Tornado Tamra finally let loose! What the heck was everybody talking over Shannon about her dating shortly after the split from David and having a boyfriend the entire season but hiding it? Now that is some juicy shit right there! Poor victim Shannon was living it up all the while! I know she had a boyfriend but we didn't start seeing photo's of them together until after the season was well under way. And here I thought she was home all alone licking her wounds. Shady, shady Shannon. I wonder if she is still with the BF?

Also, what was Tamra rambling on about Shannon wanting to stay at the too expensive Plaza Hotel when they were doing a girls weekend and using Tamra's makeup artist without permission? I didn't understand what that was all about but it seemed kind of petty to me. Tams has a lot of resentment towards Shannon bottled up inside. 

Andy Cohen need to stop reading questions from the cards he's always holding and start asking some real questions. 

I don't think her current boyfriend is the same one the women are referring to. Shannon spoke of him in past tense and it seems at least Tamra was aware that Shannon felt that he treated her poorly.

Tamra has proven what a fucked up friend she is. She harbours a lot of resentment but a lot of it is because she's doesn't address things in the moment so she bottles it up to the point that when it's finally addressed, an acknowledgment and apology from Shannon is not enough for her. Case in point - Shannon was being selfish dealing with her divorce and she forgot to be there for Tamra as she and her husband dealt with his health issues. Tamra bottled it up, told others about it and when she finally told Shannon about it, Shannon held her temper, apologized and then fixed her mistake by being more aware of Tamra's needs...but that didn't stop Tamra from continuing to talk to the others about how Shannon would never ask about Eddie or how she's dealing with Eddie's health issues. When Shannon pointed out all of the evidence she has of her asking about Eddie, Tamra tries to discredit it in a way by saying that it wasn't until Tamra had confronted her about it...but at least Shannon had changed her behaviour after that conversation, Tamra did not.

The whole Plaza hotel thing is another example...it seems super petty but Shannon said on the spot that she didn't realize how she was coming across and when Tamra called her out, she understood and apologized but Tamra still made it an issue to the point where they stopped talking after the incident and Tamra brought it up at the reunion despite it not being on camera. Shannon isn't manipulative...she's just someone who doesn't know how to be on her own and is so consumed by her emotions that she doesn't realize how draining it is for others to always be dealing with her divorce but I don't think her behaviour is intentional and it seems like she is trying to be better.

Tamra, Gina and Emily really went at Shannon with the gang up this episode...Tamra's input is what me feel really bad for Shannon because she considered Tamra a best friend and the way Tamra went about dealing with her issues with Shannon and what she has to say in defense of it all has cut Shannon deep. Shannon is learning the hard way that there is no such thing as real friend with Tamra Judge.

[MajorNelson]

2 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

The whole Plaza hotel thing is another example...it seems super petty but Shannon said on the spot that she didn't realize how she was coming across and when Tamra called her out, she understood and apologized but Tamra still made it an issue to the point where they stopped talking after the incident and Tamra brought it up at the reunion despite it not being on camera. Shannon isn't manipulative...she's just someone who doesn't know how to be on her own and is so consumed by her emotions .....

 

That Plaza Hotel business was weird, but I think I understand.  Tamra (and the others) didn't want to stay there but Shannon did, so..they all wound up staying there.  Therefore, Tamra believes Shannon owes her one.  Instead of giving Tamra the benefit somewhere of owing her, Shannon hogs the makeup lady's time and all that came from that .  So it was adding insult to injury in Tamra's eyes.  And thus Shannon is now on the shitlist from this trip.

Now overall. this began with poor self-mangement on Tamra's part, but...no one should be expecting much from this group, and as well, to expect proper behavior from self-absorbed Shannon is not bloody likely.  Although we may all know someone we expect better of, and it never happens, Tamra takes the cake for being Shannon's doormat.

The resentment is building!

[albarino]

5 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Tamra has proven what a fucked up friend she is.

She does love a good "Gotcha."  She was so smug about Emily going home/not going home after one of their dinners and Emily then corrected her with the facts.  1.  Who cares?  2.  Was she stalking Emily?  Seems like such a strange point to make.

I think Bravo needs to get rid of Tams, Vicki and Gina (as if) and look for women who are more educated and demonstrate better comportment.  Do you remember the season Heather started?  Didn't she and her friends take a helicopter into LA to scout out a restaurant?  I'd like to see more of that and less of Andeles with Tams flashing her grandmotherly bolt ons.

[esco1822]

32 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Tamra has proven what a fucked up friend she is. She harbours a lot of resentment but a lot of it is because she's doesn't address things in the moment so she bottles it up to the point that when it's finally addressed, an acknowledgment and apology from Shannon is not enough for her. Case in point - Shannon was being selfish dealing with her divorce and she forgot to be there for Tamra as she and her husband dealt with his health issues. Tamra bottled it up, told others about it and when she finally told Shannon about it, Shannon held her temper, apologized and then fixed her mistake by being more aware of Tamra's needs...but that didn't stop Tamra from continuing to talk to the others about how Shannon would never ask about Eddie or how she's dealing with Eddie's health issues. When Shannon pointed out all of the evidence she has of her asking about Eddie, Tamra tries to discredit it in a way by saying that it wasn't until Tamra had confronted her about it...but at least Shannon had changed her behaviour after that conversation, Tamra did not.

This is the thing that struck me. When Shannon has been confronted on camera by actual friends she has been apologetic and willing to do better. Tamra lets things build up until she explodes and when she does, it's not enough just to say how upset she is, she has to be deliberately cruel as well. Is there any reason Shannon needed to hear that Eddie wonders why Tamra puts up with her shit? That to me is just Tamra lashing out and seeking to hurt a person for hurting her...even though the person didn't know because she wouldn't say anything. To me it's pretty clear who the @sshole is in this scenario. I also wonder if Tams came so aggressively because she knew she was going to have to do something to distract from the fact that she was about to be totally busted for running her mouth about Shannon to everyone with ears.   

[PrincessPurrsALot]

Andy was particularly terrible during this reunion show.  So many times he basically announced, "We're done with that now. I am moving on."  His tone was at once curt and bored.  It was the Andy equivalent of, "I'm done!"  If only he had stormed off and removed his mic, that would have been noteworthy. 

[Juliegirlj]

Tamra is a dried up, repetitive piece of jerky. Not an inkling of authenticity- inside nor out. 

I always liked Shannon, but I’m getting the feeling that she is very self centered and narcissistic. Everything SHE goes through is more difficult and important....

Kelly looked very thin- I hope what Vicki claims isn’t true. Kelly always seemed fairly comfortable with her body- I hope dating and intimacy issues haven’t made her self conscious about her weight or body. 

[Kdawg82]

9 minutes ago, PrincessPurrsALot said:

Andy was particularly terrible during this reunion show.

Funny you mention this. I thought it was SO MEAN of Andy when Shannon said how David was not a social person & didnt like to go out..Andy says "well it seems he had no problem going out and meeting people." Basically a jab on the affair David had.  Shannon's face kind of dropped and she looked shocked that Andy went there.  Of all things to call out- why that?

[heatherchandler]

1 hour ago, Reality police said:

That inner level would most definitely be Vickie's, Tamra's, and Gina's houses.

 

Rat-faced Tamra was implying that she lives in the "better" section, when she said that she is in the gates behind the gates... after Vicki said they are not near each other.  I hope she gets fired and then goes broke not long after that - I want to see her living in a townhouse in Ladera Ranch again!

 

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

 

Kelly seems very unstable to me...more than ever. Her behavior has been erratic and confrontational..in fact, it's been scary at times with the middle school type verbal attacks and facial expressions coupled with the flip side of crying jags and weeping. I call BS that she is fine with Michael dating another woman...she became psychotic over him dating a friend of Vicki and Steve's...no way she is cool with any woman dating her ex.

 

 

Kelly may not be on coke, but she has admitted to taking adderall!  I mean, she may have ADHD (haha).  I think she takes it recreationally.

[MajorNelson]

2 hours ago, esco1822 said:

 also wonder if Tams came so aggressively because she knew she was going to have to do something to distract from the fact that she was about to be totally busted for running her mouth about Shannon to everyone with ears.   

Bingo! 

1 hour ago, Juliegirlj said:

I always liked Shannon, but I’m getting the feeling that she is very self centered and narcissistic. Everything SHE goes through is more difficult and important....

In Shannon land everything is harder and more important than other people's, of course!

[SoCal4Us]

Heather's departure has left such a huge void in this crapfest.

[AnnA]

8 minutes ago, SoCal4Us said:

Heather's departure has left such a huge void in this crapfest.

Yeah and she took all the house porn with her.

Edited December 3, 2018 by AnnA

[Pretty5Vacant]

10 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Emily has always reminded me of Jessica Rabbit. Her body, her face, lips, hair, etc. she's stacked, as they used to say, very va-va-va-voom! If I were into women, I would be much more turned on by her type rather than beef jerky Tamra.

Emily reminds me of Kelly Lebrock

[RHJunkie]

3 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

That Plaza Hotel business was weird, but I think I understand.  Tamra (and the others) didn't want to stay there but Shannon did, so..they all wound up staying there.  Therefore, Tamra believes Shannon owes her one.  Instead of giving Tamra the benefit somewhere of owing her, Shannon hogs the makeup lady's time and all that came from that .  So it was adding insult to injury in Tamra's eyes.  And thus Shannon is now on the shitlist from this trip.

Now overall. this began with poor self-mangement on Tamra's part, but...no one should be expecting much from this group, and as well, to expect proper behavior from self-absorbed Shannon is not bloody likely.  Although we may all know someone we expect better of, and it never happens, Tamra takes the cake for being Shannon's doormat.

The resentment is building!

I highly disagree with Tamra being Shannon's doormat.

I don't see Shannon being abusive (as Tamra claims Eddie says) or using Tamra. I think Shannon feels she has a genuine friendship with Tamra and she felt comfortable relying on her emotional during a incredibly difficult time. There's nothing wrong with that because that's what genuine friendships should be about. However, it's not okay when that friendship becomes a one-way street. It's understandable how personal issues can make one forget to be more involved with what's going on in their friends lives but it's up to  friends to call that behaviour out in a caring and reasonable way. And it's up to the recipient to be understanding of those concerns and try to be better. Throughout the season, Shannon has constantly explained her behaviour (not defend it), she has taken accountability and has given apologies and she has tried to be better (case in point - her being more involved with what's going on with Eddie).

If Shannon were so selfish and always a victim, Tamra would have never become such close friends with her to begin with. The difference is that Shannon is a shitty friend because she's going through emotional trauma to an extent that she's never had to deal with before and so she has put all of her energy in trying to figure that out (which leaves nothing for others unless they call her out) and with Tamra, she's just a shitty friend period. When you're good with Tamra, it's all fun and lovely but when you hit a little rough patch, Tamra has little compassion and zero loyalty. She collects bones and when she feels wronged, she can't wait to hurl all of them at you.

[bichonblitz]

3 hours ago, esco1822 said:

I also wonder if Tams came so aggressively because she knew she was going to have to do something to distract from the fact that she was about to be totally busted for running her mouth about Shannon to everyone with ears.   

She was busted alright. When they showed the tape piece of Tamra and her mother sitting on the sofa complaining about Shannon and how tired Tamra was of Shannon's self absorbtion, then mentioning how she was so sheltered she didn't know about paying a water bill there was no excuse or coming back from that.  Gotcha Tamra! 

[Jextella]

On 12/3/2018 at 8:24 AM, nexxie said:

The reunions always remind me that these shows are not about real friendships - the Bravo business plan is about luring a bunch of personality disordered women into a gilded cage and encouraging them to rip each others guts out.

Bravo is a blood sport.

Soooo right.

On 12/3/2018 at 4:41 AM, elsie said:

Maybe I'm saying this since I'm unfortunately scrawny, but...

Emily is absolutely, definitely not fat. She looks great, and I admire that she isn't letting the opinions of some mean spirited, body shaming folks get into her head.  She might not be my favorite OC housewife (at this point, I'm not sure I have one) but I love her for that.

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Emily's build is not a lean one and she probably has to deal with that a bit.  She seems to have gained weight at the reunion and has extra to lose.  During the show, however, she was just fine and looked surprisingly good in a swimming suit.  

On 12/2/2018 at 9:37 PM, Duke2801 said:

How shitty of a person do you have to be to DM a Housewife to tell her she’s fat? The hell..? People are unbelievably gross. 

 

 

Name-calling is never a good look.  Ever. Not here, not there, not anywhere (not even when I indulge...see Shannon assessment below).  Taking the time to DM a Housewife is a different level, though.  From mean to messed up.

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I know I'm in the minority on these boards, but I love Gina and Emily and hope they are keepers.  They might be too sane and not able to stoop to Vicki/Tamra levels (Shannon is just cuckoo), but then again, these shows could use a dose of civility.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Jextella

[AnnA]

Shannon was my favorite on the OC but she's been getting on my nerves.  I'm sure this will be a very unpopular opinion but I didn't think Tamra did or said anything outrageous.    Maybe that's because I don't feel the Tamra hate that most of you have.   The HWs all snark on one another.  The one who says the worst things about the others is Vicki and she's a real POS.  She spreads untrue rumors that hurt.   What Tamra said about Shannon may have been unkind but it wasn't untrue.

[chenoa333]

When is someone going to take down Tamra for all of her backstabbing, shit stirring, vile behavior? What are these other housewives so afraid of? 

[AnnA]

4 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

When is someone going to take down Tamra for all of her backstabbing, shit stirring, vile behavior? What are these other housewives so afraid of? 

Right after someone takes Vicki down.

[Should Be Working]

3 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

When is someone going to take down Tamra for all of her backstabbing, shit stirring, vile behavior? What are these other housewives so afraid of? 

Because she's so skilled and practiced at what she does (shit stirring, backstabbing, etc.) that no one else has the guts or fortitude to take her on directly. She's a relentless street fighter that you never want to cross, even when she's quoting the parables of Jesus or crying over Eddie's latest cardiogram.

Perhaps if they joined together and all mobbed her when she was really down and vulnerable (like when she slipped and broke her foot in Mexico), they might stand a chance..On second thought, no, she'd simply come back at them all with a fury.

They all know that beneath her mask of professional respectability...

Lies this...

[chenoa333]

38 minutes ago, Should Be Working said:

Because she's so skilled and practiced at what she does (shit stirring, backstabbing, etc.) that no one else has the guts or fortitude to take her on directly. She's a relentless street fighter that you never want to cross, even when she's quoting the parables of Jesus or crying over Eddie's latest cardiogram.

I believe in the depths of my soul that Kelly Dodd  HAS the guts and fortitude to accomplish this. My money is on Kelly and that shit showdown will bring RHOC ratings through the roof into the cosmos. 

[Goodnight]

I love Kelly, but the sad fact is that she's too dumb to take anyone down. Dumb and drunk. When she's had a few and gets mad, she loses her mind. Says that meanest,  craziest thing she can think of. That said, her calling Shannon the c-word was one of the greatest moments ever. 

David did treat Shannon badly, but she needs to get over it. Even if I was dying inside, I wouldn't let that whiny-voiced weasel know how much he hurt me. Besides, Shannon is way richer than him. Go buy a manse on the beach and eat your QVC lean cuisines.

Edited December 4, 2018 by Goodnight

[nexxie]

Let’s not forget...

[albarino]

I've never really understood the Vickie/Tam alliance.  In the end they really seem to like each other (IMHO) because they keep making up.  That says to me--two peas in a pod--both are despicable.  I see this franchise going the way of Miami.  That is fine--lots of other franchises are much more fun at the moment.

[SCS]

8 hours ago, cork dork said:

Well, that was unpleasant, at least the parts where I was paying attention.

Hour two was Tamra’s turn to reel viewers back in with her completely unhinged shrieking serving as the lights/sirens of this train wreck. Negative attention’s better than no attention.

While on the subject of Tams, her body makeup needs dialed back a few notches. Between the silver crap highlighting all that’s wrong with her chest, her legs look like they’d received several coats of mica and then been buffed to rival the shine of an Emmy statue. It isn’t attractive and it doesn’t look good.

As far as the DMs Emily received, my first thought was it seemed like something Tamra would do. I don’t think she’s above having a few sock accounts in her arsenal for use in her efforts to undermine and hurt others. It’s much easier to believe she’d do that over anyone in their rapidly declining audience.

 

 

She went after Jeana's weight issues on several occasions. You may be right.

[Kdawg82]

I am wishing for a crossover- the NYC ladies with any other city howives. I agree with many that NYC always brings it in a down to earth organic way. 

[MajorNelson]

3 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

I highly disagree with Tamra being Shannon's doormat.

 (snip)

If Shannon were so selfish and always a victim, Tamra would have never become such close friends with her to begin with.

You can have your opinion and it was backed up pretty well...if I can summarize it....a "true" friendship that went one way for a long time.

The alternative I see is that Shannon is a bit of a narcissist and Tamra is medium-high in codependence.  A natural match.

I was going to write up a bit more explaining this, but I see your post has 7 hearts to my none, so I will leave off on the Tamra analysis for now. :)

[bagger]

10 hours ago, Barb23 said:

What did Tamra snort, smoke or ingest during the break between Part 1 & Part 2?  She really seemed more out of it in a drugged up sort of way.  Her eyes were almost squinted shut, more than usual and one time she could barely open her mouth to talk.  Someone  mentioned in Part 1 that something looked wonky with her left eye. I agree.  She could have taken a Benadryl but I definitely noticed something was off with her. 

I hope Gina was paying attention when Emily gave her opinion of David representing himself & not having an attorney (at least at the beginning) of his and Shannon's divorce.  Emily was going on how difficult it is with California's laws & basically saying he was stupid for trying to represent himself.  Isn't Gina representing herself because she thinks everthing will be easy between her & her husband?  I think Emily needs to advise her friend better. 

No, Gina is dumber. She and Matt are using the same lawyer.

[howiveaddict]

23 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

It's also odd that Shane became a Mormon because of his neighbors.  Seems a little extreme.

Had Mormon neighbors who tried to convert me and did convert the couple across the street. They are a cult in a way.

21 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

I think Tamra is SO jealous of Shannon's wealth that she can't see straight.  Shannon comes from money and married well (as my grandmother would say).  She is getting divorced and is not suffering financially.  Shannon's QVC venture is successful.  How many money making schemes has Tamara tried and failed?  Tamra is so envious she is greener than Godzilla.

If Tamra was so upset by Shannon's "neediness" during her divorce she could have talked to her "friend" about it off camera.  Instead she waits almost a year so she can use it on the show for a storyline.  Then she does not talk to Shannon about it, she bitches and laughs about her to the other housewives.  Shannon ends up hearing about it from Gina and Emily.  Tamra is not a shy little flower and if Tamra were that upset by Shannon's behavior, she would have talked to her months ago.  Tamra saved all her venom to get back at Shannon at the reunion.  The hate in Tamra's eyes was chilling. 

I think she is also jealous of Shannon's popularity on the show.

2 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

When is someone going to take down Tamra for all of her backstabbing, shit stirring, vile behavior? What are these other housewives so afraid of? 

I think Bethenny Frankel could do it.

[For Cereals]

Emily is not overweight by any means...she’s actually very fit looking.  I would’ve saved the DMs (honestly don’t know what the hell they are) to ask Emily more pointed questions like “who smells?”  “Do the other ladies cook with onions often?”

[Mu Shu]

Emily is jumping on the fat shaming wagon because it’s one of the grievances du jour.  For every jerk who DMed her, there were dozens here at least who thought she has a great bod.  That’s some glass half full shit, but it will help her get a new season.  Can’t say I blame her for building her next season storyline.  I also hope she doesn’t drop a bunch of weight. 

Tamra can’t be beaten.  She’s an evil succubus.   The Ick can natter on about being the Original Goblin, but Tamra has run this shit for years.  Andy likes her, too.  

Taking her on is like charging up Cemetary ridge.  You will suffer too many casualties.  She’s here until the bitter end.  And man, is she bitter and full of poison. You don’t take vipers on, you keep a healthy distance and walk around them.

[Duke2801]

2 hours ago, nexxie said:

Let’s not forget...

Much like the gif of Vicki tripping after accepting her (made up) award and Vicki getting hit in the head with a football, this clip will never not bring me glee!

[UsernameFatigue]

The reunion shows are airing on Monday nights where I live, so just saw the show now. What struck me so funny in the first part was Gina asking Shannon if she was afraid that her constant concern with her weight would negatively influence her daughters. Now people lose weight for many reasons, including for their health. I wish Shannon had asked Gina if she was worried that her need to look like a wannabe low budget 80s pageant queen with her spackled on makeup and tacky sequined dresses would negatively influence her daughter? I can't believe Gina is only 34 - she looks easily a decade older when the makeup gun is set to clown. And speaking of weight, she looks like she gained some. Lots of double chin showing in her various facial contortions. In any case I think Gina should spend much less time worrying about Shannon's kids and more worrying about her own. The ones that she has foisted a divorce on, without even trying something as basic as marriage counselling. Though truth be told, I think Matt has had a girlfriend all along, and that is the real reason they are divorcing. Gina just isn't sharing. 

I really think that both Gina and Tamra are totally jealous of Shannon, and her wealth. Tamra and Eddie can't be doing well with Eddie's health problems. I would imagine they are barely hanging on to the gym, and doubt it has ever been a money maker. I am sure she is seething at Shannon's 23 thousand dollar a month support.

Gina seems to have settled into the reality of divorce, and maybe that it isn't all sunshine, roses, and exes with benefits. When she toddles off to her little house so her ex can take over hers, she must think that she is going backwards in her life, spending part of it living in what amounts to a badly decorated college dorm room. Though from what I have seen of Gina this season, she deserves nothing more. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by UsernameFatigue

[dosodog]

2 hours ago, MajorNelson said:

You can have your opinion and it was backed up pretty well...if I can summarize it....a "true" friendship that went one way for a long time.

The alternative I see is that Shannon is a bit of a narcissist and Tamra is medium-high in codependence.  A natural match.

I was going to write up a bit more explaining this, but I see your post has 7 hearts to my none, so I will leave off on the Tamra analysis for now. :)

Always speak your mind, regardless of how "loved" your opinion is.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to finish packing and sing a chorus or 2 of Free to Be You and Me.

There's a land that I see where the children are free......

Truly, I loved the story "Ladies First" more than anything else.

Thank you Marlo Thomas. You were right up there with Billie Jean King for making the world a little bigger for everyone. 

[JAYJAY1979]

Gretchen warned Shannon a few years ago and Shannon didn't listen.  So I don't feel too sorry for Shannon in regards to that....but I will say she needs a restraining against Gina.

[Should Be Working]

51 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

The reunion shows are airing on Monday nights where I live, so just saw the show now. What struck me so funny in the first part was Gina asking Shannon if she was afraid that her constant concern with her weight would negatively influence her daughters. Now people lose weight for many reasons, including for their health. I wish Shannon had asked Gina if she was worried that her need to look like a wannabe low budget 80s pageant queen with her spackled on makeup and tacky sequined dresses would negatively influence her daughter? I can't believe Gina is only 34 - she looks easily a decade older when the makeup gun is set to clown. And speaking of weight, she looks like she gained some. Lots of double chin showing in her various facial contortions. In any case I think Gina should spend much less time worrying about Shannon's kids and more worrying about her own. The ones that she has foisted a divorce on, without even trying something as basic as marriage counselling. Though truth be told, I think Matt has had a girlfriend all along, and that is the real reason they are divorcing. Gina just isn't sharing. 

I really think that both Gina and Tamra are totally jealous of Shannon, and her wealth. Tamra and Eddie can't be doing well with Eddie's health problems. I would imagine they are barely hanging on to the gym, and doubt it has ever been a money maker. I am sure she is seething at Shannon's 23 thousand dollar a month support.

Gina seems to have set into the reality of divorce, and maybe that it isn't all sunshine, roses, and exes with benefits. When she toddles off to her little house so her ex can take over hers, she must think that she is going backwards in her life, spending part of it living in what amounts to a badly decorated college dorm room. Though from what I have seen of Gina this season, she deserves nothing more. 

I heartily endorse everything said here. And it's damn well written to boot.

[LakeGal]

Vicki shouldn't cross her legs in that ugly dress. Her spanx were showing.

Gina is obsessed with attacking Shannon.

Tamra looked truly evil when she blew up at Shannon.

[AntAnn]

I’m late to the party, because mr.ant refuses to watch. But I got 1 thing to say....

ZIP IT GINA 

[AntAnn]

Now, Shane is Persian Morman? I’m confused. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by AntAnn

[Higgins]

Vicki constantly get fat shamed all the time, right on this forum, I'm sure she gets it on social media all the time. as well

Emily has a great waist to hip ration and is curvy and appealing. I think her body is better than just ok, it's  sexy. 

[Baltimore Betty]

I thought these past two installments of this reunion have been boring and there have been no big reveals except for Shannon had been dating someone that treated her badly.

My prediction is Gina will have a dramatic make over for next season, hair and make up artist on speed dial, a boob job and a stylist.

Tamara will have nothing to do with Vicki or Shannon the minute the camera goes off.

Emily will be looking at Shane a bit differently now because she has seen him on TV and saw the edit he had gotten...and it was not a good edit.

Shannon will do just fine eeking out a living in just a humble 4,000 sq. ft. home and a paltry $23,000 a month alimony check. 

Vicki will find something to tweak for next season, maybe a tummy tuck or the obligatory laser procedure in her love tank.

Kelly will be the sanest one in the room again next season.

I wish Andy would ask the hard questions, every reunion I hope and pray he will blow someone out of the water and blow our minds but no, he is happy with meh.

Edited December 4, 2018 by Baltimore Betty
It's too early for spelling.

[EtheltoTillie]

5 hours ago, AntAnn said:

Now, Shane is Persian Morman? I’m confused. 

Well, now we know why his mother sounds like a crossover from Shahs of Sunset. His family is not Mormon. He converted. 

[Mr. Miner]

9 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I am sure she is seething at Shannon's 23 thousand dollar a month support.

When Tamra and her mom were shading Shannon about the water bill, they were also appalled/jealous of her temporary settlement. It looked like they were siding with and actually felt bad for that beady-eyed fucking creep David.

[UsernameFatigue]

32 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

When Tamra and her mom were shading Shannon about the water bill, they were also appalled/jealous of her temporary settlement. It looked like they were siding with and actually felt bad for that beady-eyed fucking creep David.

I think they felt bad that Tamra's ex wasn't David. 

[Duke2801]

9 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Gretchen warned Shannon a few years ago and Shannon didn't listen.  So I don't feel too sorry for Shannon in regards to that....but I will say she needs a restraining against Gina.

Did she?  When/where did she warn her?  I believe you--I just truly don't remember! 

[Pondlass1]

12 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

 

I think Bethenny Frankel could do it.

We do need a Bethenny type on this franchise.  Her comebacks are vicious as a whip but they're also smart and to the point.    This lot are just mean and nasty and I cannot believe for one moment they are actually friends outside of the show.  And none of them are particularly bright...  just mean.

I felt Shannon was once again being ragged on.  She is self-absorbed but so are the others.  I think the only HW who should make it through to next season is Kelly. Just wind her up, ply her with drinks and she goes off like fireworks.  But she doesn't seem to hold these tiresome never ending grudges like the others.  

And I agree with whoever pointed out that Tamra should not rub that shimmer cream on her bony chest. Ugh not attractive.

[Normades]

3 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Shannon had been dating someone that treated her badly.

No one will ever treat poor victim Shannon well enough.