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I wonder if Sonja starts an intern interview with "how do you pour the perfect shot?"

 

Again, there is something sad and tragic about SM. At first you want to laugh at her, then your laughter dies as you realize that she really doesn't care about how people look at her - no one should, but there is a certain decorum that you should follow if you want to be taken seriously?

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Season 3 Sonja will always, always be the best version of this person.  She was awesome.

 

Agreed! I was rewatching the Crazy Island episodes the other day and she was so much more rational then (I know it wasn't hard to look rational when compared to Kelly but, y'know). She was kind of quirky and ditzy but seemed genuinely kind, fun and insightful. I'd hate to do a Kristen and start yelling "deluuuusionaaal!" but nowadays Sonja seems, well, deluded.

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This makes me kinda sad, it was a good moment for Sonja when her fashion show went well and she stuck it to the other ladies who were snarking on her. It seems like a lot of work for it all to go the way of the toaster ovens. 

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8 hours ago, neatoburrito said:

This makes me kinda sad, it was a good moment for Sonja when her fashion show went well and she stuck it to the other ladies who were snarking on her. It seems like a lot of work for it all to go the way of the toaster ovens. 

I knew it would end up being a shit show because fashion lines take a ton of up front capital; actually any manufactured good requires a ton of money up front. What typically happens after a show is that buyers express interest in the pieces. They may or may not make modifications to the pieces and put in orders. The designer needs to have cash on hand to manufacture the orders.This is what Sonja never got. These stores don't give you money and then you use that to make the clothes. You have to have the money to make the clothing first, then the stores order what they want and pay you. Sonja was making everything to order because she didn't even have enough cash to have 100 pieces of every garment in every size available if a buyer had some interest. It's the reason everything took 2- 3 months to be delivered after order because I'm sure that she had some poor seamstress who was making these clothes after her real job.

Sonja needs business opportunities where either someone else is fully capitalized and she only lends her name or business opportunities which don't really need money (writing books or entertaining and party planning)

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1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

I knew it would end up being a shit show because fashion lines take a ton of up front capital; actually any manufactured good requires a ton of money up front. What typically happens after a show is that buyers express interest in the pieces. They may or may not make modifications to the pieces and put in orders. The designer needs to have cash on hand to manufacture the orders.This is what Sonja never got. These stores don't give you money and then you use that to make the clothes. You have to have the money to make the clothing first, then the stores order what they want and pay you. Sonja was making everything to order because she didn't even have enough cash to have 100 pieces of every garment in every size available if a buyer had some interest. It's the reason everything took 2- 3 months to be delivered after order because I'm sure that she had some poor seamstress who was making these clothes after her real job.

Sonja needs business opportunities where either someone else is fully capitalized and she only lends her name or business opportunities which don't really need money (writing books or entertaining and party planning)

The clothing line isn't/wasn't hers, she is just the face of it, much like Tipsy Girl. LOL

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2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

The clothing line isn't/wasn't hers, she is just the face of it, much like Tipsy Girl. LOL

Even still she got into bed with partners who were undercapitalized and used her own name for the venture so now it looks like Sonja is the failure not her partners. If it had been the Sonja Morgan for HSN, QVC, or Kohl's collection, she would be a lot better off. Unfortunately her classism and snobbery got in the way, so she produced something that was elitist with partners that were under resourced and didn't make her any money. If she gone the envine, HSN, QVC route, she'd be making money like LuAnn, Rinna, NeNe, Heather Thomson, and Heather Dubrow. But of course Sonja knows so much better than anyone else.

Meanwhile these dumb projects with her sketchy partners just dilutes the potential power of her name or brand. It's an endless cycle. Her name and brand are worthless so she gets shit partners. Because she has shit partners, her projects are worthless and her name and brand diminish in value.

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13 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Even still she got into bed with partners who were undercapitalized and used her own name for the venture so now it looks like Sonja is the failure not her partners. If it had been the Sonja Morgan for HSN, QVC, or Kohl's collection, she would be a lot better off. Unfortunately her classism and snobbery got in the way, so she produced something that was elitist with partners that were under resourced and didn't make her any money. If she gone the envine, HSN, QVC route, she'd be making money like LuAnn, Rinna, NeNe, Heather Thomson, and Heather Dubrow. But of course Sonja knows so much better than anyone else.

Meanwhile these dumb projects with her sketchy partners just dilutes the potential power of her name or brand. It's an endless cycle. Her name and brand are worthless so she gets shit partners. Because she has shit partners, her projects are worthless and her name and brand diminish in value.

I think she ends up with these types because she really has no interest in doing any actual work, like going to meetings, working or anything beyond partying/drinking and smiling for the camera. All Sonja wants is for someone else to do all the work and hand her a check like she is still "Lady Morgan" of the yachting Morgan's and everyone in the legit business world knows it and avoids her because of it.  LOL 

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1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I think she ends up with these types because she really has no interest in doing any actual work, like going to meetings, working or anything beyond partying/drinking and smiling for the camera. All Sonja wants is for someone else to do all the work and hand her a check like she is still "Lady Morgan" of the yachting Morgan's and everyone in the legit business world knows it and avoids her because of it.  LOL 

I completely agree. I think that's why I'm so enamored with the lightly fictionalized novels with a Sonja like protagonist. It combines all of the things Sonja loves to do: reveling in her delusions and talking about herself. If she can get a really good ghostwriter, I can see novels in a Jackie Collins vein, Sex and the City style, Breakfast at Tiffany's, or even a wackadoo spy caper. Sonja is so unmoored from real reality that I can see a book with Sonja starring in a magical surrealist tale where she'd be romancing time traveling suitors on the moon. And if the books are successful, it means a book tour where Sonja travels around the country drinking, dishing, and posing for pictures. But I think that Sonja thinks that a book like that is beneath her, when it really is just her style and speed.

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I wonder if the reason Sonja hasn't been able to hook up with reputable people like one of the shopping networks is because of the movie lawsuit. Once you've read the details of that it is hard ( for me anyway) to forget them. I agree to that she is lazy. She not only wants to avoid the heavy lifting but the moderate to light lifting as well. She'd probably do well on one of the shopping networks if she would focus and learn the ropes. Her daffy persona could even work in her favor. With the  right people helping her I think she could have sold some toaster ovens, oven mitts, cookbooks etc on HSN. But maybe honorable people either declined to work with her because of the lawsuit or they thought she was lazy and unwilling to put her nose to the grindstone. Or an unreliable mostly out of it party girl.

 

Sonja talked about writing a sexy book when she first came on the show even before she talked about the toaster oven so I don't think she'd be snobby about a Jackie Collins type of book.  Roxanne Pulitzer and Ivanna Trump slapped their names on ghostwritten trashy books. And if Ramona & Luann could get book deals I don't know why Sonja couldn't. Trashy beach book, hostess with the mostest entertainment guide etc. She may just be to busy partying and to lazy to seek out or take advantage of legit opportunities or maybe she gets involved with sketchy types because water seeks its on level.

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She really could be the queen of the trashy beach read. Can you imagine The Tipsy Girl Chronicles or The Tipsy Girl's Tips to Party Planning?

I can picture one book where Tipsy goes into the Christian Louboutin store with a bunch of Pantone strips. She says it's to redecorate a room to exactly match Louboutin red, but really it's to paint the bottoms of knock offs so no one will ever know about her reduced fortunes. While in the store, she finds herself drawn into a flirtation with a charming wealthy Italian gentleman. The man offers to jet Tipsy and her gaggle of interns off to party on his yacht off the Amalfi Coast. Tipsy thinks the gentleman is smitten. Little does she know that the Italian man has mistaken Tipsy and her interns for a high priced madam and her escorts. Tipsy soon finds herself in the center of an Italian political scandal. Most people would be afraid if they found themselves in the middle of an international political scandal, but not our Tipsy Girl. She thrives when all eyes are on her.

It's got a fictionalized Sonja and her hobo haute couture being drawn into the Silvio Berlusconi scandal.

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12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I think she ends up with these types because she really has no interest in doing any actual work, like going to meetings, working or anything beyond partying/drinking and smiling for the camera. All Sonja wants is for someone else to do all the work and hand her a check like she is still "Lady Morgan" of the yachting Morgan's and everyone in the legit business world knows it and avoids her because of it.  LOL 

You completely nailed it. This is why IMO there isn't really any question on who is right/wrong in this current Tipsy Girl debate. I have to give the gals credit when they deserve it, and despite all her many flaws, Beth was willing to do the heavy lifting. Sonja never has been. She is looking for an easy win without any of the work. I hate people like that almost more than anything. The problem becomes when someone becomes so unlikable in other ways, that characteristic sticks to them, like it has on Beth. It reminds me of when people who dislike LVP (and often I am one) criticize her for animal issues. There are so many reasons to not like her, but the gal loves her animals and would never do anything to harm them. Beth is all about her business, and certainly knows more about this topic than Sonja ever will. 

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9 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

You completely nailed it. This is why IMO there isn't really any question on who is right/wrong in this current Tipsy Girl debate. I have to give the gals credit when they deserve it, and despite all her many flaws, Beth was willing to do the heavy lifting. Sonja never has been. She is looking for an easy win without any of the work. I hate people like that almost more than anything. The problem becomes when someone becomes so unlikable in other ways, that characteristic sticks to them, like it has on Beth. It reminds me of when people who dislike LVP (and often I am one) criticize her for animal issues. There are so many reasons to not like her, but the gal loves her animals and would never do anything to harm them. Beth is all about her business, and certainly knows more about this topic than Sonja ever will. 

At this date, no one is ever going to take Sonja seriously, no matter how much she cleans up her act, the damage is done and being the "face" of someone else's product is the best she can do and, IMO, Bethenny is well aware of this. I also don't see Bethenny getting upset at her had the product been similar to someone else's product, I just don't.

The names are not similar to each other and are not being promoted in the same way, after all, Bethenny's claim about finding a new niche in alcohol is that of a low cal drink, which is not the market "Tipsy Girl" is aiming for. Bethenny no longer owns or controls the SKG alcohol line, she sold it and I haven't read that the new owners are upset by this. By making a big deal about this on the show reflects badly on her, more so than on Sonja IMO, so it further damages Bethenny's reputation which will effect her bottom line which is sales of her own products.

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The names are not similar to each other and are not being promoted in the same way

The names are definitely similar, and they are completely being promoted the same way.  Both are being promoted by a housewife on Real House Wives of NYC.  The product is also exactly the same, Bethenny/Beam have had a Proseco wine out for quite a while.

The difference is, Bethenny actually did the work, and Sonja lent her name to a company that wanted to get free advertising and "story" by the obvious conflict they were creating between Bethenny and Sonja.  Why?  Because anything Bethenny gets press.

It's a sleazy move, even for Sonja.

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5 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

The names are definitely similar, and they are completely being promoted the same way.  Both are being promoted by a housewife on Real House Wives of NYC.  The product is also exactly the same, Bethenny/Beam have had a Proseco wine out for quite a while.

The difference is, Bethenny actually did the work, and Sonja lent her name to a company that wanted to get free advertising and "story" by the obvious conflict they were creating between Bethenny and Sonja.  Why?  Because anything Bethenny gets press.

It's a sleazy move, even for Sonja.

Actually, SKG is promoted as a "low cal" drink and is no longer owned by Bethenny. TG is being promoted as a "get tipsy/drunk" drink and is not nor ever has been owned by Sonja. As for their names, they are not similar IMO, the only common thing is the shared word "girl", SKG is 1 word, TG is 2 separate words and anyone buying SKG isn't going to confuse the 2.

 

Yes, Bethenny did the work with lots of help, with at least 1 person having to sue her to get paid for helping her, and Sonja is nothing more than the "face/spokesperson" for her drink. If Beam (or whoever owns the SKG prosecco) wants to sue/go after Peter (and his real partner) so be it, go for it but Bethenny sold that right a few years ago.

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2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

At this date, no one is ever going to take Sonja seriously, no matter how much she cleans up her act, the damage is done and being the "face" of someone else's product is the best she can do and, IMO, Bethenny is well aware of this. I also don't see Bethenny getting upset at her had the product been similar to someone else's product, I just don't.

The names are not similar to each other and are not being promoted in the same way, after all, Bethenny's claim about finding a new niche in alcohol is that of a low cal drink, which is not the market "Tipsy Girl" is aiming for. Bethenny no longer owns or controls the SKG alcohol line, she sold it and I haven't read that the new owners are upset by this. By making a big deal about this on the show reflects badly on her, more so than on Sonja IMO, so it further damages Bethenny's reputation which will effect her bottom line which is sales of her own products.

I agree that you wouldn't think anyone would take Sonja seriously - ever. But does the fact that she is a flake mean that no one should call her out on her bad behavior? That folks should just look the other way and ignore what she is doing? There is a major political candidate who no one took seriously because he seemed to make strange, even racist statements, was a proven liar, and had a sketchy past. The others running against him had actual records to run on, experience, and in most cases far more character. They didn't take him seriously because they thought he couldn't possibly be a threat. Now he is the nominee for one of our two major political parties, and those people would all like to go back and do things differently. 

I just cannot how defending her brand reflects more poorly on her than on Sonja. Many people didn't understand why Carole was so mad at Aviva, since most had decided that Aviva was a loon after her first season. Why engage her and give her any air? Because what she was saying hit Carole at her core. Why would LVP be mad about Brandi saying she had filed bankruptcy a dozen years ago, when public records clearly showed otherwise? How was a known liar like Brandi possibly going to harm LVP's business now? It probably wouldn't, but it didn't mean that LVP wasn't mad that someone was saying/doing something that had the potential to impact her business. The thing that happened to Aviva and Brandi is what will happen to Sonja if she isn't careful.  The others will realize she is desperate to do or say anything to advance her own interests.  My bet is that Sonja finds herself with few friends this season, which is hard to overcome. 

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10 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I agree that you wouldn't think anyone would take Sonja seriously - ever. But does the fact that she is a flake mean that no one should call her out on her bad behavior? That folks should just look the other way and ignore what she is doing? There is a major political candidate who no one took seriously because he seemed to make strange, even racist statements, was a proven liar, and had a sketchy past. The others running against him had actual records to run on, experience, and in most cases far more character. They didn't take him seriously because they thought he couldn't possibly be a threat. Now he is the nominee for one of our two major political parties, and those people would all like to go back and do things differently. 

I just cannot how defending her brand reflects more poorly on her than on Sonja. Many people didn't understand why Carole was so mad at Aviva, since most had decided that Aviva was a loon after her first season. Why engage her and give her any air? Because what she was saying hit Carole at her core. Why would LVP be mad about Brandi saying she had filed bankruptcy a dozen years ago, when public records clearly showed otherwise? How was a known liar like Brandi possibly going to harm LVP's business now? It probably wouldn't, but it didn't mean that LVP wasn't mad that someone was saying/doing something that had the potential to impact her business. The thing that happened to Aviva and Brandi is what will happen to Sonja if she isn't careful.  The others will realize she is desperate to do or say anything to advance her own interests.  My bet is that Sonja finds herself with few friends this season, which is hard to overcome. 

No, Bethenny can call her out but that doesn't mean go overboard either or freeze her out on the show and I do think Bethenny has been doing just that, trying to freeze Sonja out.

As for Brandi "lying" about LisaV, she lied, plain and simple, the same with Aviva with Carole, it was a lie. Sonja isn't claiming that Bethenny didn't come up with her SKG drink mix (although B's mom says exactly that), she has only become the "face" of another drink and nothing more....well she is claiming she helped come up with the drink but she isn't claiming anything about Bethenny. I want to see how this plays out more to see how Bethenny handles things but if she continues to freeze Sonja out of group activities, she is wrong and I think it will hurt Bethenny's bottom line......sales of her SKG products. This has the potential of making Sonja look like "David"  against Bethenny's "Goliath".

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Bethenny may have to sue, as a formality, to protect her brand's name, as pointed out by a couple of experienced people in trademark law earlier in this or Bethenny's thread. 

The name was deliberate, in order to get free press for their stupid bar/wine on this show, and because as I said before, anything involving Bethenny gets press.

As far as a real lawsuit other than the required legal crap?  What's the point?  The bar is statistically unlikely to succeed, and the wine?  Oh please.  What's the point of suing sleazy people like this, they probably will be declaring the whole venture bankrupt within the year.

As far as freezing out Sonja, well, duh.  Why give the woman any more publicity for this obvious ploy?  She films with Bethenny?  Her sleazy partners get air time.  That's kind of a no-brainer.

Honestly, if you slotted in Kyle (Bethenny) and Yolanda (Sonja)  here?  Some opinions would be so different.  I honestly think it's because people get enraged about Bethenny no matter what.  In this case, it's so blatantly obvious what's happening here that hate her or not?  Of course she will freeze Sonja out, and she should.  I don't even like the woman, other than on the show because she's such a catalyst for stuff happening, but fair is fair.

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I have a soft spot for Sonja of Grey Gardens though, she's such an interesting character, so delusional, so heart-wrenchingly pathetic in a way.  In this case she's wrong.  Still, just thinking about how very, very, very rich she used to be and reduced to being a shill for this sleazy company?  I mean, she was rich in a way that Bethenny, Jill, or any housewife you can think of can only dream of.  Private islands, homes in any beautiful place around the world...just WOW rich.

I'm sure in her divorce she signed something about not writing about her marriage/husband, but it's too bad, because that would be a great book in the right co-author's hands.  Maybe she could fictionalize her tales?  I'd read that in a heart beat.

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I like that B mentioned that Sonja's product and similar name are considered a "cheater brand" because I'd never heard of it but see it a lot and now I have a name for it.

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17 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

No, Bethenny can call her out but that doesn't mean go overboard either or freeze her out on the show and I do think Bethenny has been doing just that, trying to freeze Sonja out.

As for Brandi "lying" about LisaV, she lied, plain and simple, the same with Aviva with Carole, it was a lie. Sonja isn't claiming that Bethenny didn't come up with her SKG drink mix (although B's mom says exactly that), she has only become the "face" of another drink and nothing more....well she is claiming she helped come up with the drink but she isn't claiming anything about Bethenny. I want to see how this plays out more to see how Bethenny handles things but if she continues to freeze Sonja out of group activities, she is wrong and I think it will hurt Bethenny's bottom line......sales of her SKG products. This has the potential of making Sonja look like "David"  against Bethenny's "Goliath".

But do you think it is wrong, if she freezes her out? I guess that doesn't bother me, as long as I as a viewer understand why she is doing it. It is actually the last vestige of these shows that makes any sense to me. If you hate someone, or think they are trying to harm your reputation, why go about filming with them? Why give them the opportunity to ramp up the drama and get camera time? Sonja can still film with others, if they will have her, or have a storyline that allows her to be on camera. As long as I get exactly what is going on and the HW makes it clear to me, it is all fair. What I hate is when it looks like one HW is trying to ice another one out and I don't understand the purpose behind it. 

 

What I really wish is that Beth would go after Sonja hard, I mean really hard. She started in her blog this week, but there is so much more. I would consider it a gift to Heather. I always wanted for Heather in her first season to point out what a corrupt person Sonja was. She did a very good job in making Sonja look ridiculous, but she could have gone further if she wasn't such a good person at her core. I think that Heather is a far superior person to Beth, but in this instance, she is the woman for the job. Has anyone ever, on camera, really talked about what Sonja did to lead to the judgment against her? It's all talked about with some sympathy, like they are just so glad to see her come out on the other side of it all. No one talks about what she actually did. If you just watch the shows and don't read blogs or press about the show, you might not know what kind of a person she really is. I know that  my SIL, who is an avid viewer but doesn't follow these people at all outside of watching once a week, had zero idea what she actually did. I would love for Beth to educate the viewers in a way that only Beth could, and then just walk away from the topic, and from Sonja. 

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I liked Bethenny 's approach in her blog. I also like she addresses Sonja's purpose for signing on to promote a brand Bethenny feels is too close comfort. She let the world know one more time she worked hard getting her brand out there and continues to do so.  Bethenny used an agent and an agent put her in contact with an experience liquor company acquisition guy. 

The Heather/Sonja argument just showed me that Sonja had no backer for her toaster oven and used the stupid toaster oven as some sort of plotline.  The first question anyone willing to assist Sonja should be asking is her capital backing.  She doesn't have to design a line of jewelry, clothing or take photos for a toaster oven, it is about does she have some willing to take her product into production. Sonja makes for good TV because of her inability to focus.  For some reason the fundamental "show me the money" doesn't make it on the show.  Of all people to be honest about it was Ramona, she said on WWHL, it is about using other people's money to launch your product line. It was in response to why Sonja's toaster oven didn't take off and Ramona said Sonja's Chinese money people had folded on her.  So mostly, like Sonja's current product these women are spokespersons and most likely paid with a percentage of sales.  Sonja has this pride that she is somehow flush and it is the pride and arrogance that lead to the $7 million dollar judgment against her.  In all fairness I don't really want to hear about these people's financial situations.  Talk of Chapter 7 versus Chapter 11, corporate vs. personal bankruptcy just don't belong on the show. 

Both Heather and Bethenny became embroiled in lawsuits with their agents/money people.  As valuable as their advice might be the reality is both used other people's money and connections to get off the ground.  So their advice be it well meaning or ego driven rings a little hollow without the  obvious need for capital isn't addressed.  To me, the most honest person in dealing with Sonja was Harry.   other people yelling at Sonja, making fun of her just don't cut because none of these other people were money people.

RHONYC needs to stop recycling the tired old Sonja launching a product line.  Last season was such a bore because it was launch after launch and product placement after product placement.  I believe that is why Dorinda became popular-she wasn't selling anything.

Carole took a beating because she did aggressively confront Aviva when a simple "not correct" would have sufficed.  The amount of writing and lamenting she did about only made me think, this is not the first time Carole ha heard these rumors.    The problem with any of these women taking a impassioned stance about how they have been wronged doesn't always translate into unanimous backing of their passion.

I also don't believe for one minute any of these women truly wish another great success for products developed while they are on the show.  Again Dorinda may be the exception because she does not seem to be promoting a product.  I believe she has been accused of essentially being intellectually lay and spending her days shopping.

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Well, Dorinda is obviously pushing her boyfriend's "product" this season, so she's joined the group.  Unfortunately for her, and for him, he is a better story since he's obnoxious and stoned most of the time, but they both work in his dry cleaning business as much as they possibly can, and they even filmed there (though, tricky Bravo still hasn't said the name of it that I can remember, so they don't like him either, Dorinda and John must be furious about that!)

Sonja simply isn't willing to do any work, or even to realize she has to start small.  Bethenny didn't hit it out of the park the first dozen times she tried either, Bethenny Bakes anyone?  The cupcake thing?  She quite smartly used this show to launch what became her brand, but again, she started with things that didn't need a lot of capital.  Books, which sold well.  Meanwhile she was cooking up her cocktail thing, and Beam bit, because they could see a market for that.

Now all of the housewives seem to want to cash in on that trend, but people like Sonja aren't putting the real work behind it.  Heather came in with a company already, and she just wanted the show to promote that, when it wasn't working out for her, she bailed.  That ditzy blond they dumped this season wanted to promote her husband's heath drink or whatever the hell it was. 

Sonja wants the money and the fame, but she's so completely delusional and thirsty it will never work.  She's not willing to do it the real way, she just wants it all to happen magically for her, because she knows she is just that awesome.  She doesn't want to make $10K on a book, she wants to hit it big and be able to have yachts again.  She'd have just as much of a chance at big money success playing roulette in Vegas.

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My apologies if this has been addressed but the other day Bethenny posted a picture of AOA (I think those are the initials of the restaurant Ramona was co owner of) with the caption " remember when Ramona pretended to own this?" So apparently that was for a storyline too. That guy is certainly putting all his eggs in the NYC basket.

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2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

 

Both Heather and Bethenny became embroiled in lawsuits with their agents/money people.  As valuable as their advice might be the reality is both used other people's money and connections to get off the ground.  So their advice be it well meaning or ego driven rings a little hollow without the  obvious need for capital isn't addressed.  To me, the most honest person in dealing with Sonja was Harry.   other people yelling at Sonja, making fun of her just don't cut because none of these other people were money people.

RHONYC needs to stop recycling the tired old Sonja launching a product line.  Last season was such a bore because it was launch after launch and product placement after product placement.  I believe that is why Dorinda became popular-she wasn't selling anything.

 

Almost everyone needs a financial backer, especially if you are manufacturing something. Of all the start-up brands I've worked with, they all had an element of financing. If you are lucky you can get investors. Or you go to a bank, or a combination of the two. The fact that both Heather and Beth did the same is to be expected, and doesn't make them any less good at what they do. It means they they had a good idea and did a very good job of selling that idea.  In some cases that says more than if someone finances their own venture and never has to go through the rigorous process of trying to convince others to believe and invest in you.  It's also not uncommon for disputes to arise for a variety of reasons.  Sometimes those disputes are costly, especially if there is fraud (just ask Sonja). Sonja will never get a real investor because she is a fraud and a thief, and has never had an original idea.  Bravo will keep replaying the same old story because: a) it's fun to mock the fact that she is dumber than hair and keeps trying to convince the others that she is legit, and: b) she is completely game for the humiliation because she has no other options. 

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3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

But do you think it is wrong, if she freezes her out? I guess that doesn't bother me, as long as I as a viewer understand why she is doing it. It is actually the last vestige of these shows that makes any sense to me. If you hate someone, or think they are trying to harm your reputation, why go about filming with them? Why give them the opportunity to ramp up the drama and get camera time? Sonja can still film with others, if they will have her, or have a storyline that allows her to be on camera. As long as I get exactly what is going on and the HW makes it clear to me, it is all fair. What I hate is when it looks like one HW is trying to ice another one out and I don't understand the purpose behind it. 

 

What I really wish is that Beth would go after Sonja hard, I mean really hard. She started in her blog this week, but there is so much more. I would consider it a gift to Heather. I always wanted for Heather in her first season to point out what a corrupt person Sonja was. She did a very good job in making Sonja look ridiculous, but she could have gone further if she wasn't such a good person at her core. I think that Heather is a far superior person to Beth, but in this instance, she is the woman for the job. Has anyone ever, on camera, really talked about what Sonja did to lead to the judgment against her? It's all talked about with some sympathy, like they are just so glad to see her come out on the other side of it all. No one talks about what she actually did. If you just watch the shows and don't read blogs or press about the show, you might not know what kind of a person she really is. I know that  my SIL, who is an avid viewer but doesn't follow these people at all outside of watching once a week, had zero idea what she actually did. I would love for Beth to educate the viewers in a way that only Beth could, and then just walk away from the topic, and from Sonja. 

Because Bethenny holds so much power on the show, filming wise, she has an unfair advantage over the others, not just Sonja. If Bethenny really decides to freeze Sonja out, I don't doubt that most of the others will follow suit to protect their own position on the show. Like it or not, Bethenny holds more power than the other NY HWs combined and that gives her way too much say on this show IMO. If Bethenny addresses the issue then lets it/Sonja go without harping on it, fine but I don't want to see her control what/how the others do/react.

Oh, and I am familiar with the stunt Sonja pulled that ended up as a lawsuit and she should have been outed long ago. I guess that I am tired of this being the Bethenny Redo Show and everyone fearing her.

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^^ agreed. It will be very telling if long time friends,  Lu and Ramona also ice Sonja out. If they do , it certainly will lend credence to Bethenny being the favored housewife of the group. 

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2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Because Bethenny holds so much power on the show, filming wise, she has an unfair advantage over the others, not just Sonja. If Bethenny really decides to freeze Sonja out, I don't doubt that most of the others will follow suit to protect their own position on the show. Like it or not, Bethenny holds more power than the other NY HWs combined and that gives her way too much say on this show IMO. If Bethenny addresses the issue then lets it/Sonja go without harping on it, fine but I don't want to see her control what/how the others do/react.

Oh, and I am familiar with the stunt Sonja pulled that ended up as a lawsuit and she should have been outed long ago. I guess that I am tired of this being the Bethenny Redo Show and everyone fearing her.

I think this is a good point. Beth clearly has more power. At the end of the day, however, it is on these ladies as to how they react to that. Would any of them dare to call her a know-it-all like Heather did? Probably not. If they are going to be sucky friends, that says all I need to know about them. Clearly Carole is going to stay close to Beth - they are very close friends off camera. But what about the rest? Ramona - the shittiest friend of all time - clearly decided to jump on Beth's side right from the start. Folks have said that Carole has taken up residence in Beth's ass, but I don't see that in the same way I do about Ramona.  Beth took Ramona down last year in a way no one else (except ironically Heather) ever has. Yet Ramona is desperate to get close to her, and has been trash talking her close friend Sonja since the season began. She has also betrayed Dorinda. She seemed to have come into the season with the intention of being on the Carole/Beth team, despite the fact that she has had long-term, off camera friendships with Dorinda and Sonja. I will say it will be interesting to see how it all works out. I hate it turning into the Beth show as well, but as far as right and wrong go, if Beth is the one who is right, then she deserves to win. Beth has every right to keep her distance from Sonja.  If the others follow her, that is entirely on them. 

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1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I think this is a good point. Beth clearly has more power. At the end of the day, however, it is on these ladies as to how they react to that. Would any of them dare to call her a know-it-all like Heather did? Probably not. If they are going to be sucky friends, that says all I need to know about them. Clearly Carole is going to stay close to Beth - they are very close friends off camera. But what about the rest? Ramona - the shittiest friend of all time - clearly decided to jump on Beth's side right from the start. Folks have said that Carole has taken up residence in Beth's ass, but I don't see that in the same way I do about Ramona.  Beth took Ramona down last year in a way no one else (except ironically Heather) ever has. Yet Ramona is desperate to get close to her, and has been trash talking her close friend Sonja since the season began. She has also betrayed Dorinda. She seemed to have come into the season with the intention of being on the Carole/Beth team, despite the fact that she has had long-term, off camera friendships with Dorinda and Sonja. I will say it will be interesting to see how it all works out. I hate it turning into the Beth show as well, but as far as right and wrong go, if Beth is the one who is right, then she deserves to win. Beth has every right to keep her distance from Sonja.  If the others follow her, that is entirely on them. 

Luann turned on Heather last season to crawl up Bethenny's butt, as did Dorinda, so I think they could end up turning their backs on Sonja if Bethenny really does freeze Sonja out. They will do it for nothing more than keeping their job next season. And, Yes, that speaks volumes about them but Bethenny knows she wields the power and she will use it without hesitation which speaks volumes about her as well. None of it good for any of them IMO.

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20 hours ago, Umbelina said:

 

Honestly, if you slotted in Kyle (Bethenny) and Yolanda (Sonja)  here?  Some opinions would be so different.  I honestly think it's because people get enraged about Bethenny no matter what.  In this case, it's so blatantly obvious what's happening here that hate her or not?  Of course she will freeze Sonja out, and she should.  I don't even like the woman, other than on the show because she's such a catalyst for stuff happening, but fair is fair.

 

Or Heather.  Just imagine for a moment that Sonja was the face of Yummy Mummy shapewear, marketed towards new moms.  The target audience would be totally different!  Does Heather OWN the word Yummy?  Of course we all know Heather would never sue over patent or trademark infringement. 

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3 hours ago, shoegal said:

Or Heather.  Just imagine for a moment that Sonja was the face of Yummy Mummy shapewear, marketed towards new moms.  The target audience would be totally different!  Does Heather OWN the word Yummy?  Of course we all know Heather would never sue over patent or trademark infringement. 

This is so funny. I just said something similar on another thread. I love Heather - always have and always will. There is zero doubt in my mind that had Sonja pulled something like this - especially after being helped by Heather - that she would have ripped off Sonja's head and shit down her neck. And I would have cheered, because Sonja would deserve nothing less. I hope Beth goes all Dod Day Afternoon on Sonja. 

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3 hours ago, shoegal said:

Or Heather.  Just imagine for a moment that Sonja was the face of Yummy Mummy shapewear, marketed towards new moms.  The target audience would be totally different!  Does Heather OWN the word Yummy?  Of course we all know Heather would never sue over patent or trademark infringement. 

It would a better comparison to say Sonja came out with Tipsy Tummy and marketed towards women with bloat for overconsumption of alcohol.  Don't give Sonja any ideas.

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17 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

This is so funny. I just said something similar on another thread. I love Heather - always have and always will. There is zero doubt in my mind that had Sonja pulled something like this - especially after being helped by Heather - that she would have ripped off Sonja's head and shit down her neck. And I would have cheered, because Sonja would deserve nothing less. I hope Beth goes all Dod Day Afternoon on Sonja. 

The legal issue is the trademark now belongs to Jim Beam or Suntory.  Here is the press release when Suntory bought Beam out:    http://www.suntory.com/news/2014/12050.html  Note they do not even mention Skinnygirl, so in the big scheme of things it is a product in the portfolio but not the workhorse of the brand.

I do not believe Bethenny has any right to legally challenge Peter/Sonja and I am quite certain it would be a "pick your battle" situation for Suntory.  While they probably love the product placement and free advertising for their product to 1.8 million viewers every week, they may not want to have any "Dog Day Afternoon" moments connected with what is now their brand.

Do I think Bethenny should ream Sonja for her actions-yep.  Then let it die. Oversaturation sometimes kills goodwill of viewers. 

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As I said, statistically most restaurants fail.  Why bother with this dude?  It will fail, the wine is just a gimmick to get his free publicity on RHNY.

Sonja though?  Will take a big hit in her paycheck both for being a contract hold out, and for alienating cast members by dirty tricks.  Who wants to help or film with someone like that? 

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1 hour ago, Umbelina said:

As I said, statistically most restaurants fail.  Why bother with this dude?  It will fail, the wine is just a gimmick to get his free publicity on RHNY.

Sonja though?  Will take a big hit in her paycheck both for being a contract hold out, and for alienating cast members by dirty tricks.  Who wants to help or film with someone like that? 

I know!  I know!!

ummmmm ...... LuLu?

 

:D :D :D

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I think the ladies should hold out for what they think is a fair price for their services.  If they are lacking in blatant product placement maybe they would rather have cash.  If the other cast members don't like their compensation package they can always hold out.  I am thinking each contract is pretty different and Bravo doesn't tell the others what another is making. 

I can't in all good conscience lumped Luann in with Sonja in the shilling department.  Sure she has Melmac dishes and polyester animal print pants but she actually works at finding an investor for her endeavors or maybe she accepts offers.  I don't think her slacking in the work department.

My main reason for liking Luann is she is honest about how she wants to be remarried.  She dates and dares put in on TV.  Her biggest mistake ever was commenting on Carole and Adam.

I don't think Sonja has anymore on-air orifices to probe, I think the Q-Tips to the nose were the last unexplored on air venture for Sonja, she doesn't have any more fake men to picnic with and she has to pretty much reach  into the high school ranks to get anymore escorts that are shockingly younger.

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I don't blame them for holding out.  I don't blame Bravo for calling that bluff either.  That's negotiation, and in this one, they not only lost, they lost big.  Now they must depend on the rest of the cast including them or coming to their events to get screen time and paid anything at all.  Kind of sad...

I think Lulu's past actions, with Ramona/Betheny/Carole, and then being so broke that she had to bunk with the pariah Sonja is what made her an outcast.  Although she did get an invite to Bethenny's party, unlike Sonja. 

I'm glad she's getting married though, I bet/hope he tells her "no RHNY" and she happily agrees and goes off to live her life.

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7 hours ago, shoegal said:

Or Heather.  Just imagine for a moment that Sonja was the face of Yummy Mummy shapewear, marketed towards new moms.  The target audience would be totally different!  Does Heather OWN the word Yummy?  Of course we all know Heather would never sue over patent or trademark infringement. 

Actually Heather's line was initially designed for moms as she found a need for midsection help after her own pregnancy.

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2 minutes ago, Umbelina said:

I don't blame them for holding out.  I don't blame Bravo for calling that bluff either.  That's negotiation, and in this one, they not only lost, they lost big.  Now they must depend on the rest of the cast including them or coming to their events to get screen time and paid anything at all.  Kind of sad...

I think Lulu's past actions, with Ramona/Betheny/Carole, and then being so broke that she had to bunk with the pariah Sonja is what made her an outcast.  Although she did get an invite to Bethenny's party, unlike Sonja. 

I'm glad she's getting married though, I bet/hope he tells her "no RHNY" and she happily agrees and goes off to live her life.

They sign for a season and are expected to be at events as set forth by the producer.  They promise their time to the producers and the producers don't give guarantees for what is aired. I think they get deducted if they fail to show for insufficient reason. So far Luann has missed the bra party and the reading-which I do believe has nothing to do with contract but with Carole refusing to include her. 

What did Luann do to Ramona last year?  Wasn't it Ramona throwing Luann to the lions?  Don't ever think Luann is broke-think cheap.  She had five million bucks after she sold and bought her new house.  I don't think she wanted to commit to any type of lease.  I don't think those are so much invites as production schedules.  I can see Sonja by passing the Hamptons and Bethenny's party if she wasn't be offered lodging.  There is something not meshing in the production Ramona/Bethenny wheelhouse this year.  Ramona telling Sonja she wasn't invited because of her drinking, Bethenny saying she wasn't invited because of not seeing her (that one made no sense since she had just met Jules), claiming Luann RSVP before being invited (it is called a production schedule).   THey are getting sloppy this year.

I am kind of anxious to see one of these women get married and how they behave as RH, after the wedding.

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It wasn't "last year" with Lulu and Bethenny/Ramona.  They have seasons and seasons of reasons to not like Lulu.

Also, if they aren't on screen, they do not get paid if indeed it is a "pay for play" deal Bravo finally granted them.  So, yes indeed, if they aren't invited, or if wives don't show up for filming their events, they will get less money.  The wives with the other contracts get paid whether their scenes air or not.

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2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

They sign for a season and are expected to be at events as set forth by the producer.  They promise their time to the producers and the producers don't give guarantees for what is aired. I think they get deducted if they fail to show for insufficient reason. So far Luann has missed the bra party and the reading-which I do believe has nothing to do with contract but with Carole refusing to include her. 

What did Luann do to Ramona last year?  Wasn't it Ramona throwing Luann to the lions?  Don't ever think Luann is broke-think cheap.  She had five million bucks after she sold and bought her new house.  I don't think she wanted to commit to any type of lease.  I don't think those are so much invites as production schedules.  I can see Sonja by passing the Hamptons and Bethenny's party if she wasn't be offered lodging.  There is something not meshing in the production Ramona/Bethenny wheelhouse this year.  Ramona telling Sonja she wasn't invited because of her drinking, Bethenny saying she wasn't invited because of not seeing her (that one made no sense since she had just met Jules), claiming Luann RSVP before being invited (it is called a production schedule).   THey are getting sloppy this year.

I am kind of anxious to see one of these women get married and how they behave as RH, after the wedding.

Speaking of getting married, we should be meeting Lu's guy any time, I would imagine. They got engaged at the beginning of February, and we in the month of November during filming right now.  It must have happened fast. I wonder if it is real, or a plot device? 

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On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 7:06 PM, rho said:

 

A friend and I always joke that we would want nothing more than to be one of Sonja's interns, if not just for the lunacy of being around her. But in all seriousness, I'm shocked she's never been reported for her "business" practices. A lot of those kids don't even appear to be in school, which negates the point of an internship. I'd be very shocked to learn her internship program is on the up and up.

Did you see the episode in which she dragged the guy in to clean up her massive blow-out period?  Absolutely revolting.  But if period blood doesn't dissuade you, think of the dogs in that household pooping and peeing all over, or washing Lady Morgan's unmentionables in the bidet.  I wouldn't put it past her to place administering an enema, gluing her chronically falling out tooth back in, or waxing her privates on the to do list.  She has worse than no boundaries.

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One thing that puzzled me about the last episode was LuAnn talking to Sonja about how she felt like she was going to meeting someone soon, "like you." I inferred that Sonja had also met someone and was in a serious relationship. But when I Googled, I just came across a 22 year old that she was dating as of September 2015. I take it that's not the serious relationship. Does anyone know? (I can totally understand if Sonja's keeping a more substantive relationship under wraps and off the show.)

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22 hours ago, archer1267 said:

One thing that puzzled me about the last episode was LuAnn talking to Sonja about how she felt like she was going to meeting someone soon, "like you." I inferred that Sonja had also met someone and was in a serious relationship. But when I Googled, I just came across a 22 year old that she was dating as of September 2015. I take it that's not the serious relationship. Does anyone know? (I can totally understand if Sonja's keeping a more substantive relationship under wraps and off the show.)

I thought Luann meant that Sonja is also looking to find someone to settle down with, not that she necessarily has. Sonja's said a lot that she's got time to get married yet and that's what she'd like to do. Plus going on about how she's never been more attractive to men, and I think she even said once that men can sense that she's ready for a commitment. I don't know but I figured Lu was just saying they'd both like to find someone.

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Seems like TG is getting ready to finally open its doors! I wonder if smoke can be spotted coming from Bethenny's office/apartment! LOL http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2016/07/03/inside-sonja-morgans-tipsy-girl-restaurant-wine-line/

Strange, there is no mention of the opening on Sonja's twitter. I wonder if she backed off publicly supporting TG to placate Bethenny?

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4 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

I hope not.

allaboutthetea is sure not a B fan! 

I was surprised that she didn't tweet anything about it, not even a link to the OK or the AATT stories, which is odd for Sonja. She will tweet about a paper bag if it earns her some coins (they all do it). LOL So, not seeing anything on her SM is puzzling at best.

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