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S03.E08: Six Thanksgivings

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1 minute ago, icemiser69 said:

I think she has a crush on Kevin's main squeeze.  They did have a conversation awhile back.

Jack is making a huge mistake by messing with his brother's head.  His brother is incredibly paranoid, and rightly so, given what happened to his commanding officer.  He should just leave Nicky alone.  The one thing that I have learned from the TWD (The Walking Dead), is once a character tends to let his or her guard down and relax, people tend to die.  Nicky needs to be on edge to survive. 

After this episode, Toby will never look at cranberry sauce the same way, and neither will I.

Tess has a crush on her cousin-aunt?  That's kind of gross too.

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18 hours ago, PRgal said:

Tess has a crush on her cousin-aunt?  That's kind of gross too.

It doesn't bother me, because nothing is going to happen between those two. 

I thought one of Randall's kids had a crush on Kevin?  Again, nothing is going to happen.

Crushes aren't a big deal, because they aren't going to be acted on.   How many teenagers have had posters of people that they found attractive on their bedroom walls?  I suspect most of them.

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On 11/21/2018 at 2:00 PM, GodsBeloved said:

Regarding Miguel and his kids, does anyone remember if they told us why Miguel and Shelley divorced? I do remember having the impression that Miguel was at the very least a potential adulterer. If he did cheat on Shelley and the kids knew and that was part of why their family was broken apart I can understand their resentment especially when they never dealt with it.

Having said that I don’t condone their behavior at the point in their lives.

I am meh on Miguel anyway so while that was an uncomfortable dinner, I felt bad for Rebecca but not so much Miguel. I’m also not convinced their family situation is all or mostly on Shelley and the kids.

I’m curious to know the timeline between the divorce and Jack dying. Did Miguel put more effort into “filling in” for Jack than he did in trying to repair what was broken with his own family?

 

On 11/21/2018 at 2:02 PM, ShortyMac said:

Re-watching the episode and OMFG, Miguel's son, Andy, was being such a brat/dick to Rebecca!! "First, you steal my dad, and then, you try to kill my brother-in-law?!"

GO, MIGUEL, for sticking up for your wife! Like he said, his ex had already remarried by the time they got together TEN YEARS after Jack died. Grow the hell up, Andy. 

The Pearsons tossing the football around was cute. Jack asking Kevin to get the door, broken leg and all. lol

I missed the boyfriend-girlfriend correction with Tess last night. Randall and Beth will be cool with her being gay/bi. 

Didn't realize Toby got catering from Popeye's and Cracker Barrel. lol 

I liked Kevin joining by iPad. Cute idea by Annie. Her hug with Miguel was adorable. 

I liked the connection with Deja in the soup kitchen of Thanksgivings Past and her experience being on the other side of the food line. 

William/Jesse was blah and unnecessary. 

I still like the Vietnam stuff. 

 

On 11/21/2018 at 3:52 PM, WhosThatGirl said:

They said they just grew apart. LikE there’s a scene in the first season after Miguel and his wife said they were splitting and Miguel told jack she stopped making him coffee and he realized he didn’t even miss it and that was their thing and his wife told Rebecca kind of the same thing, like they stopped making them as a couple a Priority or something along those lines.

 

On 11/21/2018 at 3:55 PM, TwoGrayTabbies said:

If the writers want a feel-good inspirational story about Randall following Jack and William’s legacy of service to others, there’s an obvious way of doing it at least somewhat realistically.  Given Randall’s financial wizardry, business experience, and business connections, he is ideally qualified to start a non-profit community organization to provide services such as educational support, blight remediation, latchkey care, etc.  He’s already managing a low-income housing project; he could start from there and add other services.  Beth’s urban planning know-how would be valuable.  She would have a genuine position, not a pity job.  It’s been pointed out umpteen times that the political story makes no sense for multiple reasons.  What were/are the writers thinking?

 

On 11/21/2018 at 5:18 PM, Manda317 said:

His children were exceptionally rude and I would have just left. Maybe they believe Rebecca and Miguel had an affair before the divorce, causing it. You would think they have a better idea of what caused the divorce by now though. I would think they would ask their mom. Unless the marriage did end over an affair, but they never knew who it was. Then Rebecca and Miguel would look more suspicious since she was around when the kids were younger.

I know nice people can have asshole children but it is bizarre that his kids hate Rebecca so much.        

Perhaps it is to justify that they always spend time with the Pearson’s? It seemed a little heavy handed and plot specific to justify why Miguel lost touch with his kids..evil ex excuse.

The nonprofit is a much better storylines than the political one.

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I couldn't figure Miguel's kids/spouses.  So the mom of the baby is the daughter and the mouthy one is the son and the woman beside Mr Mouthy was his wife and the nut allergy guy is the dad to the baby? It just seemed odd how they were seated but I guess for the shot it was better to have to 2 kids across form Miguel .  And did they say there was another kid that was going somewhere else, so Miguel had 3 kids? 

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On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 1:09 AM, DakotaLavender said:

Flip phones in 1997? No way. The cell phones back then were huge and very bulky. 

 

 

On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 2:42 PM, buckboard said:

Thanks for actually looking this up to confirm that flip phones did exist in 1997, rather than all the posters that were just guessing that this was too early for flip phones.

Agree.  I was about to ask if anyone here had ever heard of a little movie called "Clueless".  Made in 1995, and Cher definitely had a flip phone.

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22 minutes ago, Miss Bones said:

 

 

Agree.  I was about to ask if anyone here had ever heard of a little movie called "Clueless".  Made in 1995, and Cher definitely had a flip phone.

LOL!  The sad part?  The movie was a look into what was to come 15 years later.  Cher was using her phone during dinner.  At least people don't talk on the phone anymore?  

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3 hours ago, Miss Bones said:

Agree.  I was about to ask if anyone here had ever heard of a little movie called "Clueless".  Made in 1995, and Cher definitely had a flip phone.

Ha!  I feel like an idiot for not catching that immediately.  It's only like my 2nd favourite movie.

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On ‎11‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 2:01 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yes, for me, he was just extremely unsettled.  Toby cares about people having a good time and liking him, and Tess just ran screaming from his face.  LOL.  That's why he acted like that.  But that's just my POV.  Also he probably sees Tess as a child still and he doesn't want to speak explicitly about her in a way that's inappropriate, so he's trying to play it safe.

I think family members tend to see younger members of their family frozen at a certain age 

I also was ok with Toby's reaction. It was a very Toby-way of telling Kate about it. Being straightforward "she got her period" is not very Toby. Saying something "full moonish" is.

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Did the title of the episode change? I thought it was the number of people that Randall had met.

So, Miguel's kids were in their 20's when he divorced? The phone conversation he was having sounded more like one would have about younger children.

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1 hour ago, ChromaKelly said:

Did the title of the episode change? I thought it was the number of people that Randall had met.

So, Miguel's kids were in their 20's when he divorced? The phone conversation he was having sounded more like one would have about younger children.

Yes, the title of the episode changed from the number to this one.  It aired under the title "Six Thanksgivings" but was previously titled the 18,000+ number, which made viewers wonder what it meant, but then they changed it.  Randall's essay was the big reveal as to what the number was, as you said, how many people he had met so far.

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On 11/22/2018 at 1:38 PM, saber5055 said:

Now we find out Nicky is a medic. Holy cats. I guess because he saves spiders he decided to go that route. Not a wise choice, obviously.

I can't remember if it was the episode before the draft, or during that episode but before the draft part happened, but the show specifically mentioned he wanted to be a doctor. Based on what happened in this episode, I'm glad he never managed to be one, given that his refusal to treat a child based on who he might grow up to be is seriously unethical for a doctor.I get it, I get it, the horrors of war. He was fucked up. But I've seen too much MASH to give Nicky a pass on his behavior here, even if Bones did get blown to mush.

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I know I'm a bit late to the episode...Holidays & family get-togethers interfere with my TV habit.

 

I was annoyed with Randall and Beth for dragging poor Deja to a Homeless Shelter.  I get that they're all one big happy family, that they're trying to make inroads in a community, and it's a useful tool to bring your kids to an event like this to teach them civic responsibility.  But it felt a completely ego-centric to drag a former homeless kid out to feed other current homeless people.  She might have had a horrible reaction due to bad memories (worse than we've seen). 

 

I expected Toby to act the way he did.  He's Toby.  He does the big romantic gestures, and wise-cracks jokes, even when the situation isn't warranted.  It's clearly Kate's daddy-issues, that's she's even with him.  But, Toby has grown on me because he genuinely does seem to love Kate.

 

Also, I missed Kevin. 

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On 11/22/2018 at 12:12 AM, Blakeston said:

I don't think they ever mentioned the name of the college, but I have a hard time picturing any college being especially impressed by the tone he took.

Teenagers regularly try to show admissions committees how independent-minded and clever they are by writing, "Here's what's wrong with your question," instead of actually answering it. It usually just makes them sound like brats.

And "I can't name the one person who changed my life the most because I've met lots of people" is a pretty strange argument to make.

Late this this party, but this bugged me so much.  First of all, I thought it was kind of obnoxious to write an essay about how terrible the essay question was, instead of actually answering the question.  I hate the stupid "what is your greatest weakness" question too, but if it comes up in a job interview, I'm giving my bullshit answer and moving on to the next question, not getting combative with the interviewer.

But that's the tactic you want to take, ok.  So commit to it.  The last line about choosing the fireman completely negated the entire rest of his essay! "I couldn't possibly answer this multiple choice question because each option has it's merits, but, uh, D, I guess."  Come on.  But it also genuinely seemed like something a seventeen year old would write.  His parents should have pointed that out, though.


I'm surprised we didn't see the fireman's Thanksgiving.  It would have been at least as relevant and the William/Jesse one.

In the beginning when Deja got the text from her mom, there was a shot of her watching Tess and Beth and I got kind of a weird vibe, there.  But maybe it was more about Beth's mothering compared to her own mom's than it was about Tess.

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In the beginning when Deja got the text from her mom, there was a shot of her watching Tess and Beth and I got kind of a weird vibe, there.  But maybe it was more about Beth's mothering compared to her own mom's than it was about Tess.

 

I think it was more about the love and devotion Deja feels for her mother, and the love she is coming to feel for the Pearsons. How she experiences these as conflicting. How she imagines each of her parents feels about her connection to the other(s). Whether she must tell Beth that her mother called; whether she can wait to tell Beth that her mother called; whether she wants to tell Beth that her mother called. How the one thing she knows is that she doesn't want to hurt another mother -- nor be asked to choose between them.

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On 11/20/2018 at 10:00 PM, deaja said:

I was underwhelmed. I liked the Toby parts, Randall’s college essay, and Miguel standing up for Rebecca. The rest felt like filler. 

Negatives:

1) no Kevin (the two seconds didn’t count)

2) the whole Vietnam stuff feels like it’s going nowhere

3) Randall/Beth/Campaign manager drama seemed introduced but zero resolution 

4) William is boring as hell. William and Jesse are even more boring.

Everything else was filler to me.

All I have to say about this episode (that I put off watching for two weeks!) is that those showrunners will try just about anything to put Ron Cephus Jones in an episode. It's starting to appear awfully contrived. 

 

On 11/20/2018 at 11:13 PM, ams1001 said:

Not sure about the one-child thing these days, but my friend has three kids adopted from China (plus two bio kids and multiple pets; their house is crazytown). The first was a girl who they brought home at about 18 months old (she's 11 now). The other two came home at age 6 and 7 (now 13 and 14), both boys adopted at the same time but from two different areas of the country. They all have varying special needs (though their daughter was too young for most of her issues to be noticeable at first), and the boys were older, which I'm guessing is a factor. (I don't know the details, but I believe the rules on adoptions were tightened up somewhat after they adopted their daughter, but the fact that they had already adopted made it easier for them to adopt again after that. As it was, they had to wait until she turned 30 to even apply in the first place.)

Do we know the same family?? I taught a child in this very situation. 3 adopted from China, all special needs. Many furry critters. But three bio kids. Hmmm. Perhaps I remember wrong? It was an unusual situation. The mom was wonder mom for sure. 

 

On 11/20/2018 at 11:42 PM, chocolatine said:

Kevin broke his leg playing football some time in the fall, so him having the cast on Thanksgiving makes sense. Jack died roughly two months later, on Super Bowl Sunday, and Kevin got the cast off before the funeral.

William and Jesse add absolutely nothing to the story. I understand that both actors are very good and the show wants to feature them, but there was too much going on in this episode already. Why not do a web extra or something like that, and leave them out of the main show?

I think cellphones were around in the late 90s, but they were much bulkier. Miguel's phone looked like a BlackBerry, a little ahead of its time.

 I agree that Miguel's kids are assholes, especially since they are older than the Pearson kids. They were in their 20s when their parents divorced and in their 30s when their father married Rebecca.

The Vietnam story is not interesting to me, and Jack's pretty-boy hair keeps taking me out of it.

Randall in his underwear is the kind of pretty I don't mind seeing, but the election storyline still blows.

I loved Deja giving out extra cookies at the soup kitchen, and Annie's teddy bear/iPad/Pilgrim Rick hat setup for Kevin.

Yeah. Miguel's kids are my age. In 1980 at Froggys during the super bowl Shelly was talking about having a six yr old, my age in 80'. I always remembered their ages for this reason. That Miguel and Shelly got an earlier start having kids, like my parents (who are the same age as Jack and Rebecca plus a yr each). 

 

On 11/21/2018 at 9:26 AM, PRgal said:

Didn't they say we'd know by episode 9 who "she" is?  I also can't see how it could be Tess's girlfriend - maybe Tess's FIRST girlfriend (but one she still kept in touch with after they split).  Tess is in her 20s in the future episodes. How many people REALLY still see their first girlfriend or boyfriend in their 20s?  Especially someone they were "a couple" with in, what, fifth grade?

I married mine. ;0) just sayin'

 

On 11/22/2018 at 1:12 AM, Blakeston said:

I don't think they ever mentioned the name of the college, but I have a hard time picturing any college being especially impressed by the tone he took.

Teenagers regularly try to show admissions committees how independent-minded and clever they are by writing, "Here's what's wrong with your question," instead of actually answering it. It usually just makes them sound like brats.

And "I can't name the one person who changed my life the most because I've met lots of people" is a pretty strange argument to make.

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On 11/20/2018 at 10:59 PM, Kira53 said:

If my memory serves me this is the third Thanksgiving episode in three years.   I wonder if there’s any other TV show that was able to have three very different thanksgiving episodes in there first three years?  They really packed a lot of Thanksgivings during many decades and every major character was featured in a important Thanksgiving in their life.  Amazing writing feat in an episode that is less than one hour.

I was surprised that Miguel’s daughter and Son-in-law could adopt a boy from China?  I thought that Chinese parents still preferred males and adopted out their female children because there was still a one child law. Has the law changed in China? I suppose the child could come from Korea or somewhere else in Asia but I thought Americans were able to adopt infants from China because the law created a incentive to to give up girl babies so their one child could be a boy.

I don't remember them saying the baby was from China. 

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On 11/25/2018 at 5:42 PM, WhosThatGirl said:

Also Miguel’s kids are way worse than the Pearson’s. In fact I think the only Pearson who has been downright rude to Miguel at times is Kevin. Then again we haven’t seen much of his interactions with Kate.. yet. But Randall has seemed to accept him enough that his kids know him as their grandpa and he has always seemed fine with him. At least as an adult. I feel like we have not seen much of Kate and him solo. I also think Kevin May have been distant towards him because it’s not like he and Rebecca were super close and that just added to it.

Kate has always seemed at the very least cordial to Miguel. I remember them dancing at her wedding and she seemed to be fine with him. It's interesting because she was Jack's favorite and it would make sense if she resented the man Rebecca married. I wonder if she was always accepting, and how it came about.

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18 minutes ago, MsChicklet said:

Kate has always seemed at the very least cordial to Miguel. I remember them dancing at her wedding and she seemed to be fine with him. It's interesting because she was Jack's favorite and it would make sense if she resented the man Rebecca married. I wonder if she was always accepting, and how it came about.

Yeah, I didn’t notice the dancing at the wedding, but I know they have always seemed fine when we have seen them on screen. That said we could see a flashback at some point to see how things progressed. 

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