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6 hours ago, mxc90 said:

From the security guard's and the wife's discussion in the car about his retirement and not enough money, I got the feeling he wanted to rob the check cashing place but the thieves got there before him. Too bad we never got to know the story of what he was going to do.

Not being a regular watcher of this show, I hoped this thread might reveal the answer to this, but I guess nobody knows. Is that common for this show to leave something hanging?

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5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

while the prosecutors might not be pressing charges [against Dixon], surely everything that happened would come out at Palmer’s trial including the fact that he covered for Palmer, so he would probably face discipline from the NYPD.

couldn’t this blowback on Scola and Tiff?

Plus similar stuff mentioned upthread. As far back as on Barney Miller in the 1970s cops weren’t supposed to take freebies (coffee or meat from a butcher etc.) because they could get audited because it compromised them and on L&O it was a mark of dirty cops. But I guess Tif is too young to have watched L&O?

Or, are all these dropped balls why this show doesn’t have a big enough audience to warrant separate episode threads? I’ve tuned in a few times to see Jeremy Sisto, but he just seems to bark a few orders and then disappear.

I immediately knew H!ITG! Jeremy Davidson (dirty cop Palmer) was a bad guy because he has been playing bad guys ever since he was on Roswell 20 years ago and alien bugs ate his brain, heh.

 

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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Not being a regular watcher of this show, I hoped this thread might reveal the answer to this, but I guess nobody knows. Is that common for this show to leave something hanging?

It's not common.  

The security guard and wife have never appeared on the show before this episode. This will not be answered in a future episode.

Maybe the writers felt the need to add their dialogue thinking the audience will get an emotional impact when he's killed??

I would say there's a deleted scene of the wife explaining his intentions to an agent but I don't think she would mention: "Yeah! We needed the cash and he was going to rob the place after his shift".

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58 minutes ago, mxc90 said:
2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Not being a regular watcher of this show, I hoped this thread might reveal the answer to this, but I guess nobody knows. Is that common for this show to leave something hanging?

It's not common.  

The security guard and wife have never appeared on the show before this episode. This will not be answered in a future episode.

Maybe the writers felt the need to add their dialogue thinking the audience will get an emotional impact when he's killed??

I would say there's a deleted scene of the wife explaining his intentions to an agent but I don't think she would mention: "Yeah! We needed the cash and he was going to rob the place after his shift".

Heh. Yeah. On L&O when Lupo (Jeremy Sisto) and Bernard (Anthony Anderson) were on the case, the conversation between the wife and the victim would've probably been the real plot.
So. Are we supposed to understand that the victim did plan to rob the place, or are we supposed to wonder if maybe they were just talking about the late 60s guy holding down a second job?

 

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2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Heh. Yeah. On L&O when Lupo (Jeremy Sisto) and Bernard (Anthony Anderson) were on the case, the conversation between the wife and the victim would've probably been the real plot.
So. Are we supposed to understand that the victim did plan to rob the place, or are we supposed to wonder if maybe they were just talking about the late 60s guy holding down a second job?

I was anticipating Howard would tie in some way but nothing.

Maybe he was in on the plot with the copy cat robbers to rob the place at another time (promised a large portion) but didn't know this team would be there at the time he arrived at work. 

Maybe he was going to get a third job being a security consultant and a fourth being a bouncer at Jubal's favorite strip joint.

Maybe they were talking budget cuts. Cancelling their expensive cable subscription and try cheap pirated streaming or no more expensive fine dining at a restaurant on Tuesdays/Fridays and just go with Chipotle.

Maybe they settled on the idea to start a ponzi scheme or a go fund me (for his wife's stroke) and he was going to get started on the customers there getting their cash. Spent all night rehearsing his sales pitch to them.

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10 hours ago, mxc90 said:

From the security guard's and the wife's discussion in the car about his retirement and not enough money, I got the feeling he wanted to rob the check cashing place but the thieves got there before him. Too bad we never got to know the story of what he was going to do.

I thought this too, but then I decided it was a red herring as nothing later connected them.  Also, he was revealed to have installed extra security at that store, so he wouldn't have robbed it.  I guess they were just talking about him taking an extra job.

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5 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Plus similar stuff mentioned upthread. As far back as on Barney Miller in the 1970s cops weren’t supposed to take freebies (coffee or meat from a butcher etc.) because they could get audited because it compromised them and on L&O it was a mark of dirty cops. But I guess Tif is too young to have watched L&O?

 

 

This is bringing back memories for me.  I live in NYC.  In the early 70s as a college student I worked for a while in a neighborhood takeout burger joint (not a chain), and we were told to give the cops free food.  We just didn't ring up their orders. 

But soon after that anticorruption issues became very big here (Serpico came out around that time), and things really tightened up. (I was no longer working at that restaurant, so I don't know how they handled it.)   I haven't seen cops getting freebies openly in decades. It's not worth it.  This has been official policy forever now.  Obviously, there are still crooked cops out there, but they're not centered on getting free donuts.  Best to concentrate on stealing from drug dealers.

It was an interesting episode as both characters grew in relation to this topic.  Scuola loosened up a little and Tiff learned some stuff as well, about her former partners. 

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10 hours ago, MerBearHou said:
11 hours ago, mommalib said:

Scola is kind of a jerk and for some reason this episode was the first time I realized that.

I absolutely disagree.  He’s just more impersonal and “strict” when it comes to the letter of the law, the way I see him.  I was annoyed as hell at Tiffany, over and over.  I get that’s how the character is written but she’s got to embrace that she’s FBI now, not PD.  Big deal if she has to pay for her own coffee because that’s FBI regulation.  I’m tired of her lecturing and side-eyeing her partner.  And yes, as this episode should have shown her, cops are not all pure like she saw her old buddy Dixon who indeed fudged the rules and flat out lied to alibi a killer / bad cop.  Scola did Dixon a huge favor by not reporting him in the end — he accepted that the big purpose was achieved by getting Howard’s killer.  But in the end, I hope Tiffany knows she should’ve not gone so soft on Dixon because of their history.  

THIS ↑ 100 times. She (Tiffany) has an on/off attitude towards her partner that is annoying. I get that she's former NYPD, but cut the through the ancient history crap and move on.

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11 hours ago, mxc90 said:

It's just coffee Scola.

Personally, I've never liked the idea that cops should always expect free coffee. Four of them. And blueberry muffins. And cheese danishes. From a coffee shop they've never set foot in before, far less patronize regularly. Except, is it patronage when you never pay, and just help yourself to what ever you want, free?

The coffee shop I used to frequent would occasionally give me a free coffee. Because I was a regular, and a paying customer, and because I always treated the staff with respect. 

11 hours ago, MerBearHou said:

I’m tired of her lecturing and side-eyeing her partner.

Well, get used to it, because I think that's her narrative.  Personally, I wouldn't want to work with her...

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I liked this episode - it was interesting with the cops pulling off a copycat robbery, I didn’t see the copycat angle coming, good case with pretty good suspense, although I saw that Palmer was going to be a bad guy as soon as he shot at the robber running from him and Scola.

Agreed all. I also don't understand the brief scene right at the beginning, between Howard and his wife. I initially thought he was planning to rob the cheque-cashing place, but if not, what was the scene about? Generating our sympathy for the guy for when he gets shot shortly thereafter? If that was the case, we should have seen more about the poor wife, post-shooting. So, I don't know what that was about.

7 hours ago, Sweet Tooth said:

She was told NOT to let Dixon know what was going on, and yet the first chance she got, she was ready to spill the beans. Scola saved her AND the case by reminding her they WERE NOT ALLOWED to let the SUSPECT know what the deal was.

Frankly, I don't think she's a good agent. She may have been a good cop - we've been told so but we don't know so, because we never saw her in that role. But whether or not she was a good cop, she definitely isn't a good agent. Hopefully (for her, and for us viewers) she will improve with on-the-job experience. Only I don't see her learning from her mistakes, just bottling up resentment, every time anybody corrects her. And since Scola is the one mostly in her company, that resentment is being directed towards him.

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4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Heh. Yeah. On L&O when Lupo (Jeremy Sisto) and Bernard (Anthony Anderson) were on the case, the conversation between the wife and the victim would've probably been the real plot.
So. Are we supposed to understand that the victim did plan to rob the place, or are we supposed to wonder if maybe they were just talking about the late 60s guy holding down a second job?

 

I thought they were arguing because he was going to rob the place but it was because he had a second job as a security guard in that place and he was reporting for work.

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5 minutes ago, Kelda Feegle said:

I don't know what prices are like in the USA...

The coffee shop I used to use before small businesses were banned by government would charge between $9 and $10 for a coffee and the same for a pastry. (That's dollarettes.) So the order would have been minimum $9 x 9 = $81 dollarettes or US$40. Probably more. I'm trying to picture the scene where a cop they've never laid eyes on before walked in and demanded that they give him all of that.

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It makes absolutely no sense that Howard would walk into a check cashing place, without a disguise, where he was known to the staff, and attempt to rob the place.  As a retirement plan that is sorely lacking.

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1 minute ago, NYGirl said:

I thought they were arguing because he was going to rob the place but it was because he had a second job as a security guard in that place and he was reporting for work.

Just now, Dowel Jones said:

It makes absolutely no sense that Howard would walk into a check cashing place, without a disguise, where he was known to the staff, and attempt to rob the place.  As a retirement plan that is sorely lacking.

Maybe the Red Herring (thanks @GussieK for reminding us upthread of the term) is supposed to signify that the Howard did intend to rob the place (maybe because he helped install the cameras and knew how to work around them after everyone else was gone) and it was just ironic that he got killed by crooked cops doing a copy-cat robbery. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Netfoot said:

...US$40. Probably more. I'm trying to picture the scene where a cop they've never laid eyes on before walked in and demanded that they give him all of that.

Neither Scola nor Tiff asked to get it for free. The other regular cops told the barista not to charge them. There are reasons they would do this, including to show off and to make Scola and Tiff complicit in the Regular Cop Patrons' taking advantage of the coffee shop. 
I suppose if the coffee shop is in a high-crime neighborhood, the owner might offer freebies to the local police because their presence prevents criminals from going there. But that's not the way policing is supposed to work.

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29 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Neither Scola nor Tiff asked to get it for free. The other regular cops told the barista not to charge them.

Agreed. But she then made an issue of him following procedure and declining the offer. That puts her firmly with the entitled cops, and not with her putative partner. 

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14 hours ago, mxc90 said:

From the security guard's and the wife's discussion in the car about his retirement and not enough money, I got the feeling he wanted to rob the check cashing place but the thieves got there before him. Too bad we never got to know the story of what he was going to do.

The security guard was reporting for duty at the check cashing place.  He also worked for the FBI.  A line later in the show said that he had decided not to put in his retirement papers for the government job because he and his wife couldn't make it work financially. I hope she'll be OK now, though.

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1 hour ago, zoey1996 said:

The security guard was reporting for duty at the check cashing place.  He also worked for the FBI.  A line later in the show said that he had decided not to put in his retirement papers for the government job because he and his wife couldn't make it work financially. I hope she'll be OK now, though.

Understood.

From the time he was in the jeep with his wife until the moment he walked in and was killed, no one knew he was a security guard/worked there (show made a point to cover his shirt). That's the time frame I'm commenting on just based on their conversation.  

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Question: Did the robber flag down the cab while still wearing his mask???? If so, why would the cabbie stop (and did he continue wearing it in the cab)? If not, since the robber was facing the camera, wouldn't they have gotten a picture of his face, rather than having to track down the cabbie/tattoo?

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Here is the description for S03.E11: "Brother's Keeper", airing on April 20, 2021:

After a man is killed by an explosive package shipped to his home, the team attempts to capture the sender and intercept his latest deadly parcel. Also, Maggie tries to trust her younger sister, Erin, is truly staying out of trouble as a new college student in NYC.

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On 4/5/2021 at 7:03 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Why does Isobell apologize to her boyfriend at the end as he’s walking out with his luggage?  What did she do wrong?

Just my interpretation .. but I think she was apologizing for putting her law enforcement brain ahead of her devoted partner brain.  In her defense, her boyfriend started out by lying to the FBI.  And a law enforcement person trying to have a relationship with a career politician is a train wreck waiting to happen. 
In my experience with relatives in law enforcement, they see a lot a bad behavior and tend to get into the mindset that everyone (besides themselves) is probably a criminal scumbag who hasn't been caught for something .. yet. 
In most of these CBS procedural shows, the main characters always put their job/career above everything else. That is why they are mostly single, workaholics and always act as if their co-workers are their 'family'. 

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On 4/7/2021 at 12:47 PM, illdoc said:

Question: Did the robber flag down the cab while still wearing his mask???? If so, why would the cabbie stop (and did he continue wearing it in the cab)? If not, since the robber was facing the camera, wouldn't they have gotten a picture of his face, rather than having to track down the cabbie/tattoo?

The robber had already ditched the mask by the time OA spotted him running down the street. When OA called it in, he described the robber as wearing a green cap, not a mask. Although it kind of seemed like they were checking the camera footage right after the robber got away, actually some time had passed because the cab had already dropped the robber off at his destination. Jubal probably ordered them to check the surrounding cameras right after the robber got away and this was more like a report of what they had found out, although the editing made it seem like they were discovering things in real time. Since they already had downloaded the camera footage from the cab, might as well use that since the other shot was further away and sort of to the side.

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On 4/8/2021 at 11:13 AM, shrewd.buddha said:

Just my interpretation .. but I think she was apologizing for putting her law enforcement brain ahead of her devoted partner brain.  In her defense, her boyfriend started out by lying to the FBI.  And a law enforcement person trying to have a relationship with a career politician is a train wreck waiting to happen. 
In my experience with relatives in law enforcement, they see a lot a bad behavior and tend to get into the mindset that everyone (besides themselves) is probably a criminal scumbag who hasn't been caught for something .. yet. 
In most of these CBS procedural shows, the main characters always put their job/career above everything else. That is why they are mostly single, workaholics and always act as if their co-workers are their 'family'. 

Yeah, I HATE the old, my coworkers are my family schtick, they really overplay it, especially on shows like NCIS where Tim & Delilah got married with their NCIS family and said 'their real families understood' or some such nonsense.

But to stay on topic, I think Isobel should have recused herself from interviewing her boyfriend, shouldn't have even been an option for her.  I'm sure that broke a bunch of protocol.

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I don’t like Tiffany.  There, I said it.  She has a chip on her shoulder.  Thinks everyone that doesn’t agree with her is against her.  Please bring back the analyst turned field agent, Kristen.  I liked her.  I just didn’t like her being a supposed expert field agent in a few weeks time. 

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6 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t like Tiffany.  There, I said it.  She has a chip on her shoulder.  Thinks everyone that doesn’t agree with her is against her

The typical character development arc for this kind of character would be for her to have a life-and-death crisis in which only her new coworkers save her. But I guess all we’re getting is Scola not reporting her former TO covering for his murderous partner? 
BTW, those “full ride scholarships” don’t usually cover housing and other living expenses, so I was wondering if Tiff’s old TO got a kickback for providing an alibi. 

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8 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

BTW, those “full ride scholarships” don’t usually cover housing and other living expenses, so I was wondering if Tiff’s old TO got a kickback for providing an alibi. 

I said that very thing when “full ride” to Harvard was mentioned.  A very specific detail like that usually circles back to connect to something.

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13 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:
20 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

BTW, those “full ride scholarships” don’t usually cover housing and other living expenses, so I was wondering if Tiff’s old TO got a kickback for providing an alibi. 

I said that very thing when “full ride” to Harvard was mentioned.  A very specific detail like that usually circles back to connect to something.

Thanks for posting that, @MerBearHou, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I suspect the writers might have mistakenly thought "full ride" meant everything, and it was supposed to be a signal to the viewers and Scola that he was clean.
If so, I wonder if one of those writers will one day have a child who gets a "full ride" to, say, NYU (like one of my daughters) and then realizes they need to take out loans to cover housing and then will think back to this script and have an "oops" moment. I tried to get my daughter to transfer to the college where I started working her freshman year, but no. She's 37 and just paid off her loans last year.
Still, was the TO's lying about the alibi only told to Tiff and Scola and not noted on any report???
Or is that more sloppily edited writing?

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On 4/3/2021 at 10:15 PM, Raja said:

What in the world is a 26 Fed Security Guard?

26 Federal Plaza is the address of the Federal Building and the FBI

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23 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t like Tiffany.  There, I said it.  She has a chip on her shoulder.  Thinks everyone that doesn’t agree with her is against her.  Please bring back the analyst turned field agent, Kristen.  I liked her.  I just didn’t like her being a supposed expert field agent in a few weeks time. 

I feel just the opposite.  While I agree that she has an attitude, I really like her and I love that the show is featuring more of her working with Scola.  I was getting tired of only seeing OA and what's her name.  Damn!  I don't remember her name and she's one of the stars of the show.  ETA:  Maggie!  I just remembered

Last week's episode...............I agree that Isobel should have recused herself immediately.   The opening scene of her with Ethan at home didn't work for me.  She just doesn't seem to be affectionate and obvioiusly doesn't try very hard to be either,    She sure kept her distance from him in that first scene. 

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15 hours ago, AnnA said:

Last week's episode...............I agree that Isobel should have recused herself immediately.   The opening scene of her with Ethan at home didn't work for me.  She just doesn't seem to be affectionate and obvioiusly doesn't try very hard to be either,    She sure kept her distance from him in that first scene. 

I've seen her on other shows, and while I think she's a lovely person and a good actress, she does not do 'affectionate' or 'empathic' well.  She was in 'Forever' and the actor was great, but she was just way too stand-offish.  

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1 hour ago, jabRI said:

I've seen her on other shows, and while I think she's a lovely person and a good actress, she does not do 'affectionate' or 'empathic' well.  She was in 'Forever' and the actor was great, but she was just way too stand-offish.  

Thank you.  I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels that way.

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