S14.E01: Stranger In a Strange Land

[Hana Chan]

Well, it had it's good points. Not the best season opener, but hardly the worst.

As I expected, we didn't see too much of Jensen which made sense since Dean is the McGuffin and Michael is the adversary. We're not going to get him on screen all that much until Michael decides to find a new prom dress. 

Nick coming back was a big old WTF? moment. Part of me suspects that Luci might not be quite totally dead, but we'll have to see.

I was curious to see how Jensen would play Michael and he definitely wasn't Dean.  I thought that the first scene was his strongest when he was really able to portray Michael's menace, but other than that it's wasn't so engaging. Not sure if it's the fault of the writing or the direction but he came across a bit flat. I get that he was trying to show Michael as being coldly dispassionate, but we've seen angels with a lot more personality, and the costume was damn distracting. At least Jensen can use his normal speaking voice for a bit. But they really need to give Michael something to do in order to give Jensen something to work with.

 Vampires? Seriously? FML....

With Dean out of the picture for the time being, the heavy lifting had to be done by Sam and he (and Jared) didn't disappoint. It was good to see his state of mind so clearly spelled out as well as him finally having to stand on his own without Dean's support or guidance. Am totally over Mary and her being the super-hunter, but whatever. The emotional core of this ep was Sam and that's something that we haven't seen in a long time.

As for the King of Hell... I'm waiting for some ambitious demon to remember that Sam is/was the Boy King and would probably be an ideal king. That's it's the show can remember it's own canon and take advantage of it.

So I'm curious to see where it all leads, but I'll admittedly enjoy it a lot more when we get Dean back and they can really take the fight to Micheal.

[catrox14]

2 minutes ago, Katy M said:

But, I think the point was that they were now without an effective rule, ie Crowley, Lucifer, Asmodeus.  so, it wouldn't have worked before.

But Crowley only herded his own demons so to speak. He didn't tell them to not kill who they wanted to kill. Asmodeus didn't make them not kill the Winchesters.  Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your point?

[gonzosgirrl]

4 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Don't get me wrong, I think that was beyond stupid.  But, I think the point was that they were now without an effective rule, ie Crowley, Lucifer, Asmodeus.  so, it wouldn't have worked before.

I know, it's hyperbole. But it shouldn't have worked this time either. He did everything but say "Boo!"

[SueB]

Quick thoughts using The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly ranking. Detailed thoughts post second watch. 

The Good:

- Sam is both overwhelmed and sad while continuing to grind on.  Jared really sold what Sam was going through.  I liked it.  

- Only Sam was willing to deal with snick — or he insisted on it.  Whatever the case, I like that Sam and Nick share Lucifer trauma.  The jury is still out for me on Nick’s value to the plot but I found those few moments with Sam insightful into their shared trauma.  

- Bobby training Jack.  Jack May have felt like he didn’t do much but in reality he drew attention away before the demon killed Bobby. He let himself be a punching bag. Which was enough to save AUBobby.  That’s a win in my book. 

- I like Maggie. She’s a good egg. 

-Mary and Sam’s talk in the car.  I felt what Mary said rang true — be upbeat or wallow in despair.  I get that. 

- Wanna-be Crowley trying to leverage Winchester legend status.  Kip was appropriately obsequious at the start and died the weak sauce death he deserved.  I like the plot point that having the Winchesters as allies would be a way of differentiating yourself from other wanna-be kings. 

-Michael’s scenes were riveting.  I LOVED the brief glimpse of Angel-look.  I’m going to have to study that.  

- Meta madness moment with ‘Jensen-as-Michael-calling-Dean-pretty’ to his WIFE.  How did they keep a straight face?

-Sister Jo motivation - interesting and makes sense.  But how is she still alive?  Only because Michael let her is my answer. But WHY? 

- Dean’s absence felt palpable to me   Cas, Sam, and Mary all had ‘Dean lines’ but none of them were good substitutes.  I missed Dean.  Which is how we should be feeling.  

- Magic egg shout out. A smidge if continuity porn always helps.  

The Bad:

-Nick is back?  That’s a LOT of plotonium.  I’ll wait for final verdict (how his plot plays out)  to see if the damage to canon was worth it.

- Cas not engaged in the fight scene at all.  That was a mistake. Jack should have gone to free him straight aaay. You don’t leave a player like that off the board. 

- The other demons wimping out after Kip was killed.  I canon that to Crowley limiting who got topside — he didn’t want really strong demons for fear of being usurped.  

The Ugly:

- A little too much slo-mo in the fight scenes for me.  The demons should have kicked those hunter’s assess.  Now if the fight had started with Bobby first spraying them with a fire hose full of holy water, then I would have bought that.  

-Vampires?  Really Michael?   I’ll reserve final judgement but I’m not impressed yet. 

In sum, a decent opener.  Michael is suitably cool.  Sam is at the appropriate angst-level but still fighting.  Jury is out for me on some of the major plot points until we see more but I very much like that they immediately dealt with the Hell chaos. Strong character dynamics always a plus.  

[Myrelle]

No scenes for next week either. 

That feels like another bad omen.

[ILoveReading]

That end, it felt like Dabb went "oh crap.  I forgot about Michael.  I better throw something in there.  Um...I know vampire.  Yeah.  That's it vampires."

I wonder if Dabb deliberately trashed this ep, because if he thought it was good.  It's the only explanation I got.

Just now, Myrelle said:

No scenes for next week either. 

That feels like another bad omen.

That was weird how there was no promo

[Myrelle]

10 hours ago, sarthaz said:

Denied.

[Res]

10 hours ago, sarthaz said:

Overruled!

[gonzosgirrl]

14 minutes ago, SueB said:

- Magic egg shout out. A smidge if continuity porn always helps.  

Maybe not so much with the continuity.

[Katy M]

OK, I'm going to say something and then duck down really quick so I don't get hit by all the rocks that are about that to be thrown at me.

I think we have all agreed that it makes no sense for Nick to be alive.  So, I think I would prefer it to be Lucifer.  (dodges first rock).  What if Michael and Lucifer planned all this (whatever this is) from the start.  Lucifer taking off with Jack and Sam so that Dean would say yes to Michael.  Then, Michael pretending to kill Lucifer.  He didn't have an actual angel blade.  Lucifer pretending to be Nick for whatever this grand plan that Michael has going on, he needs Lucifer on the inside.  

I know what you're thinking.  Shouldn't Cas be able to tell whether that's Lucifer or not.  Well, of course he should.  But, he should also be able to detect an entire room of demons.  So, there's that.  Or, we could go with what is going to get a huge barrage of rocks thrown at me.  Probably a catapult will be used.  Cas could be in on it to.  OK, I'm hitting my fall out shelter.

[gonzosgirrl]

10 hours ago, sarthaz said:

LOLOL! No.

[Katy M]

Oooh, Cas being in on it would also explain why Ketch can't find his magic egg.  And, jus putting it out there, Cas might have actually returned it to Ketch during First Blood.  

[gonzosgirrl]

4 minutes ago, Katy M said:

And, jus putting it out there, Cas might have actually returned it to Ketch during First Blood.  

Which would make Sam having to explain what it was even more ridiculous. Cas was THERE in the room when they used it.

Edited October 12, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[MysteryGuest]

I always tend to enjoy the show more on the 2nd go round, so here's hoping.  Seeing Jensen not playing Dean was a bit jarring for me.  He's been Dean for 14 seasons.  It was different with Sam because Sam was multiple characters fairly early on in the show.  Dean is just too well established for me to look at Jensen and not see Dean.  It didn't bother me when he was Demon Dean but this just felt off to me.  

I like the character of Sister Jo, but don't get where they were going with her tonight.  I missed the beginning of that scene, so maybe that's part of my problem.  But I agree with others, after telling her that she was a liar and not worth saving, why did he just let her go?

I think my eyes sort of glazed over during the big demon fight.  I just don't care about demons anymore.  They bore me to tears.  I'm willing to wait and see how this plays out in the next few episodes, but I wasn't overly impressed.  At least not enough to counter my disappointment seeing Mark P.  It's unfortunate, because I do enjoy his acting, but I am sick to death of the character of Lucifer, and see no reason to bring Mark back just to play Nick.  He's either there to ultimately be a vessel for Michael, or Lucifer isn't dead.  And neither of those options appeals to me in the slightest.

Katy M, you're scaring me!!  

[gonzosgirrl]

7 minutes ago, Katy M said:

OK, I'm going to say something and then duck down really quick so I don't get hit by all the rocks that are about that to be thrown at me.

I think we have all agreed that it makes no sense for Nick to be alive.  So, I think I would prefer it to be Lucifer.  (dodges first rock).  What if Michael and Lucifer planned all this (whatever this is) from the start.  Lucifer taking off with Jack and Sam so that Dean would say yes to Michael.  Then, Michael pretending to kill Lucifer.  He didn't have an actual angel blade.  Lucifer pretending to be Nick for whatever this grand plan that Michael has going on, he needs Lucifer on the inside.  

I know what you're thinking.  Shouldn't Cas be able to tell whether that's Lucifer or not.  Well, of course he should.  But, he should also be able to detect an entire room of demons.  So, there's that.  Or, we could go with what is going to get a huge barrage of rocks thrown at me.  Probably a catapult will be used.  Cas could be in on it to.  OK, I'm hitting my fall out shelter.

I don't believe Lucifer is done either. I wondered about a plot between the archangels, too, but I honestly don't think Dabb has the talent for a long-con like that. And there is really no percentage in Lucifer letting Michael have his true vessel, while he was stuck in the Nick suit.

[Bergamot]

Wow, that was really underwhelming.

It was great seeing Jensen playing Michael -- his portrayal was the only interesting, fresh thing in the episode -- but he can only do so much without getting good scripts. I already have lost most of my hope that the show might do a good job with the character. Vampires? Really? That's not just a bizarre idea, it's actually a pretty dull one. That's the most original idea Dabb can come up with?

The whole encounter with yet another pathetic Crowley wanna-be was just lame and pointless, and that was like, the big central story of the episode. They should have just kept Crowley. (I miss Crowley!)

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I did not believe for one minute that anyone was missing Dean. Nobody sold that. Nobody.

Very true. Partly it was the writing -- Dabb was just so very busy making sure that everybody else got to BREATHE, you know? But partly it was the acting. And the actress playing Mary was the worst. Her line-readings in this one were so very bad, especially in that little pep talk with Sam in the car.  Her portrayal of Mary is cringe-worthy.

All in all, it was sort of an interesting look at what Supernatural might have been like without the character of Dean. And you know what? It never would have made it past the first season.

[ahrtee]

Remember when amnesiac Cas could walk untouched through a crowd of demons at the hospital where Sam was, just touching their foreheads and burning them out?

Remember when Cas could not only heal himself/his vessel but anyone else (which is why they had to keep him away from hero death scenes so he wouldn't inconveniently bring them back without the angst?)

Remember when demons could just flick you against a wall and didn't have to beat you to a pulp unless they were enjoying it? (If they were losing, I'm assuming they weren't enjoying it).

Remember when you had to *earn* the respect of hunters, and I'm assuming it would take more than a "few weeks" of giving orders to have people "yessir" and "Chief" someone?  (They didn't even do that to Bobby after all the time he led his merry band in the AU.)

Remember when Jack had powers and actually knew how to use them? (Oh, wait, he didn't really learn to control them until...um...well...) 

Remember when they had enough plot going on that they didn't have to pad an ep with long drawn-out slo-mo fights?

Remember when stories actually made logical sense?  (I know, it's been a while...) 

*sigh*

As a side note, I want Sam's cell service provider.  Apparently they've got one hell of a spam filter, so he can pick up an "unknown" caller and it turns out to be someone they actually know, and not someone trying to sell him a timeshare in Baja or a new cell service. :)

Edited October 12, 2018 by ahrtee

[Myrelle]

4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I don't believe Lucifer is done either.

 

It makes more sense that "Nick" is lying and that Sam nursed Lucifer back to health.

1 minute ago, Bergamot said:

All in all, it was sort of an interesting look at what Supernatural might have been like without the character of Dean. And you know what? It never would have made it past the first season.

True. But this episode could have been better with oh, I don't know, maybe a little more Michael!Dean. But Dabb wrote this one and is running the show, so perish that thought.

I was trying to remember if Cas was still an angel in this episode.

He is still an angel, right?

[ZennyKenny]

Ok. Just to make sure that what I saw at the end there wasn't some sort of fever dream. An Archangel. An ARCHANGEL. Wants to work with a VAMPIRE. Do I have that right?

 

Also, I have to admit that I've completely lost track of Castiel's power level. Does he currently not have his powers?

[Katy M]

4 minutes ago, ZennyKenny said:

Also, I have to admit that I've completely lost track of Castiel's power level. Does he currently not have his powers?

Presumably he's on the same level as all the other angels.  But, who knows what powers any of them ever have since they change from epi to epi.

[belbar]

17 minutes ago, Bergamot said:

Wow, that was really underwhelming.

It was great seeing Jensen playing Michael -- his portrayal was the only interesting, fresh thing in the episode -- but he can only do so much without getting good scripts. I already have lost most of my hope that the show might do a good job with the character. Vampires? Really? That's not just a bizarre idea, it's actually a pretty dull one. That's the most original idea Dabb can come up with?

The whole encounter with yet another pathetic Crowley wanna-be was just lame and pointless, and that was like, the big central story of the episode. They should have just kept Crowley. (I miss Crowley!)

Very true. Partly it was the writing -- Dabb was just so very busy making sure that everybody else got to BREATHE, you know? But partly it was the acting. And the actress playing Mary was the worst. Her line-readings in this one were so very bad, especially in that little pep talk with Sam in the car.  Her portrayal of Mary is cringe-worthy.

All in all, it was sort of an interesting look at what Supernatural might have been like without the character of Dean. And you know what? It never would have made it past the first season.

+1000

[gonzosgirrl]

8 minutes ago, ZennyKenny said:

Ok. Just to make sure that what I saw at the end there wasn't some sort of fever dream. An Archangel. An ARCHANGEL. Wants to work with a VAMPIRE. Do I have that right?

 

Also, I have to admit that I've completely lost track of Castiel's power level. Does he currently not have his powers?

Unless it was mass hysteria - nope, not a dream.

And Cas? Pick a week. In some cases, pick a scene within a week.

[catrox14]

34 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I know what you're thinking.  Shouldn't Cas be able to tell whether that's Lucifer or not.  Well, of course he should.  But, he should also be able to detect an entire room of demons.  So, there's that.  Or, we could go with what is going to get a huge barrage of rocks thrown at me.  Probably a catapult will be used.  Cas could be in on it to.  OK, I'm hitting my fall out shelter.

I would actually prefer this than what we have. Yes it will make both Winchesters look like idiots, but it would at least make sense.

[Ninamags]

I waited four months for this??

Jesus, this has got to be the most boring, lamest season opener in 13 years!! 

There was too little Michael and a whole hell of a lot of characters I couldn't give a rats ass about. 

I'm not liking this Bobby and I still don't care for Mary.  Her concern for Dean is not believable. Bitch, , NOW you care about Dean?  No. 

Castiel is useless as usual and Jack can become annoying and needy if they don't write him right.

Why the hell is Pellegrino back???? Doesn't he have other stuff going on? He's a really good actor, he should move on already. 

Everthing felt off. 

[FlickChick]

This is by far THE WORST premiere in this series. Congrats, Dabb, you hit it on S14. I have NO, I repeat, NO respect for this man. He is either the lousiest writer on the face of the earth, or he is so vindictive of some comments made by Jensen concerning the fiasco that was the finale, that he has decided to stick it to him once and for all. I was actually physically ill watching what my beloved show devolved into tonight. The Sam pimping made me want to vomit - "chief" "sir" - gag me with a spoon. And honestly, IMO, Jared didn't even sell his new "leadership". The entire bunker group seemed like they were going through the motions. I've never seen anything like it. And don't get me started on the moronic scene in the bar. Others have already discussed what a hot mess that was. Jensen's performance as Michael was excellent, but it was a blink and you missed it. The title card is a joke if it's meant to represent Michael since there's no real focus there - if I know Dabb, it probably is meant to represent Lucifer. I knew that it was too good to be true that Lucifer would never darken my screen again.

I've watched this show since September, 2005 and I am literally sick to my stomach to see what he has done to it. Fuck you, Andrew Dabb.

[belbar]

6 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

This is by far THE WORST premiere in this series. Congrats, Dabb, you hit it on S14. I have NO, I repeat, NO respect for this man. He is either the lousiest writer on the face of the earth, or he is so vindictive of some comments made by Jensen concerning the fiasco that was the finale, that he has decided to stick it to him once and for all. I was actually physically ill watching what my beloved show devolved into tonight. The Sam pimping made me want to vomit - "chief" "sir" - gag me with a spoon. And honestly, IMO, Jared didn't even sell his new "leadership". The entire bunker group seemed like they were going through the motions. I've never seen anything like it. And don't get me started on the moronic scene in the bar. Others have already discussed what a hot mess that was. Jensen's performance as Michael was excellent, but it was a blink and you missed it. The title card is a joke if it's meant to represent Michael since there's no real focus there - if I know Dabb, it probably is meant to represent Lucifer. I knew that it was too good to be true that Lucifer would never darken my screen again.

I've watched this show since September, 2005 and I am literally sick to my stomach to see what he has done to it. Fuck you, Andrew Dabb.

ITA. Thank you.

[ILoveReading]

7 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

This is by far THE WORST premiere in this series. Congrats, Dabb, you hit it on S14. I have NO, I repeat, NO respect for this man. He is either the lousiest writer on the face of the earth, or he is so vindictive of some comments made by Jensen concerning the fiasco that was the finale, that he has decided to stick it to him once and for all. I was actually physically ill watching what my beloved show devolved into tonight. The Sam pimping made me want to vomit - "chief" "sir" - gag me with a spoon. And honestly, IMO, Jared didn't even sell his new "leadership". The entire bunker group seemed like they were going through the motions. I've never seen anything like it. And don't get me started on the moronic scene in the bar. Others have already discussed what a hot mess that was. Jensen's performance as Michael was excellent, but it was a blink and you missed it. The title card is a joke if it's meant to represent Michael since there's no real focus there - if I know Dabb, it probably is meant to represent Lucifer. I knew that it was too good to be true that Lucifer would never darken my screen again.

I've watched this show since September, 2005 and I am literally sick to my stomach to see what he has done to it. Fuck you, Andrew Dabb.

Can I like this a 1000 times

[Wynne88]

For the premiere of the 14th season of a show, I thought it was pretty good.  There were some continuity issues, like the magic egg, but at this point I've grown to expect them.  I thought Jared did a really good job with Sam, both with the emotional beats as well as stepping up to take charge.  Who else is there to do it?  The bit about no more king of hell seemed a bit of a reach, but I liked his delivery of the line anyway.

Jensen did a fine job with Michael, especially in the first scene.  He can do so much with just a tilt of his head or a flick of his eyes.  I'm really not convinced that they've actually come up with a viable storyline for the character which worries me a lot.  Jensen in this role is too good to waste on crap.

I was very glad the wanna-be King of hell got killed off the first episode, instead of dragging on like Colonel Sanders last year.  Sincerely dislike Mary.  I was really hoping that Dabb would take note of how many people disliked that she and Bobby were making goo-goo eyes at each other at the end of last season, and not follow through, but I think he is going there anyway.

[Myrelle]

9 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

This is by far THE WORST premiere in this series. Congrats, Dabb, you hit it on S14. I have NO, I repeat, NO respect for this man. He is either the lousiest writer on the face of the earth, or he is so vindictive of some comments made by Jensen concerning the fiasco that was the finale, that he has decided to stick it to him once and for all. I was actually physically ill watching what my beloved show devolved into tonight. The Sam pimping made me want to vomit - "chief" "sir" - gag me with a spoon. And honestly, IMO, Jared didn't even sell his new "leadership". The entire bunker group seemed like they were going through the motions. I've never seen anything like it. And don't get me started on the moronic scene in the bar. Others have already discussed what a hot mess that was. Jensen's performance as Michael was excellent, but it was a blink and you missed it. The title card is a joke if it's meant to represent Michael since there's no real focus there - if I know Dabb, it probably is meant to represent Lucifer. I knew that it was too good to be true that Lucifer would never darken my screen again.

I've watched this show since September, 2005 and I am literally sick to my stomach to see what he has done to it. Fuck you, Andrew Dabb.

I'd like to put this on a billboard outside his office window.

[Res]

10 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

This is by far THE WORST premiere in this series. Congrats, Dabb, you hit it on S14. I have NO, I repeat, NO respect for this man. He is either the lousiest writer on the face of the earth, or he is so vindictive of some comments made by Jensen concerning the fiasco that was the finale, that he has decided to stick it to him once and for all. I was actually physically ill watching what my beloved show devolved into tonight. The Sam pimping made me want to vomit - "chief" "sir" - gag me with a spoon. And honestly, IMO, Jared didn't even sell his new "leadership". The entire bunker group seemed like they were going through the motions. I've never seen anything like it. And don't get me started on the moronic scene in the bar. Others have already discussed what a hot mess that was. Jensen's performance as Michael was excellent, but it was a blink and you missed it. The title card is a joke if it's meant to represent Michael since there's no real focus there - if I know Dabb, it probably is meant to represent Lucifer. I knew that it was too good to be true that Lucifer would never darken my screen again.

I've watched this show since September, 2005 and I am literally sick to my stomach to see what he has done to it. Fuck you, Andrew Dabb.

Like I've said before, there aren't words to encapsulate the destruction that Dabb has unleashed on this once beloved show. 

4 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Can I like this a 1000 times

+10000

[gonzosgirrl]

9 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

I'd like to put this on a billboard outside his office window.

I'd contribute to that gofundme.

[Pete Martell]

1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Oh yes, and further to a discussion from earlier - Dabb, proving once again that he doesn't give one single fuck about canon, forgot that Cas had the magic egg at the end of LOTUS. So much so in fact, that he had Sam EXPLAIN to Cas what it was.

Seriously, the only thing harder than being a Dean/Jensen fan watching this episode would have to be being a Cas/Misha fan. Apparently angels can't see demon faces anymore. Or put up even a token fight against them. OMG.

I sort of half-watched the premiere, after seasons of being on a hiatus, and as I was reading your comment I was reminded of just how long the show has been on and what a mess so many of the seasons have been. The same things about not caring about canon were said about Kripke, Gamble, Carver, while the same things have been said about the show doing a terrible job with Cas and angel lore since...probably season 5.

I used to be so passionately invested in the show but maybe I was better off checking out. It's a shame, because I really do love watching Jensen and Misha and Jared. 

[ILoveReading]

3 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I'd contribute to that gofundme.

I would too. 

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This is why the show sucks.  No one will actually step up and criticize. 

This is what I feel trying to hard looks like. 

Edited October 12, 2018 by ILoveReading

[BoxManLocke]

10 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

I would too. 

This is why the show sucks.  No one will actually step up and criticize. 

This is what I feel trying to hard looks like. 

 

Notice how the writing team hasn't changed in three season (which I think never happened before) ?

 

It's clear Dabb mostly surrounded himself with yes-men. Either Dabb or BuckLeming, it's hard to tell who really has the power. Nobody wants to be challenged, they'll just kiss each other's asses every week on Twitter.

 

IMO the last one who had a shred of self-respect and really cared about the show was Thompson, and I never felt like his departure was amicable (and oh surprise, it happened right when Dabb took over).

Edited October 12, 2018 by BoxManLocke

[gonzosgirrl]

Edit - moved to BvJ. I think?

Edited October 12, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[Ninamags]

Who the hell is this Amanda person and why should we give a damn about her (clearly wrong) opinion?

[ILoveReading]

Just now, Ninamags said:

Who the hell is this Amanda person and why should we give a damn about her (clearly wrong) opinion?

She's Dabb's assistant.

[Lemuria]

 Why would the demons even remotely consider Sam for king of Hell. Sam doesn’t have any powers anymore. If he actually ended up in Hell, he’d be more of a chew toy than anything else.  In fact, if he hadn’t gotten lucky, Sam would’ve been killed in that fight. 

 I wasn’t impressed with Sam the Leader. He made a bad decision to bring Jack and Maggie (is that her name?). He seems to have his ego on display:  what’s with the “yessir” and “Chief?” ( I don’t ever see Mr. Bossy and You Suffocate Everyone Else Dean letting people call him that.)  He seemed to accept all that demonic brown-nosing without so much as an eye roll.  And he appeared to really think he gets to dictate to Hell. 

And why was he sending the bunkerites out on hunts?  What was more important than tracking Michael?  Not just for Dean but because Michael is the biggest threat around to Earth. Instead of using everyone, let’s just have four people looking for him, right?  

Instead, Sam apparently just prefers to give up after only three weeks. The writers learned nothing from season 8, IMO. 

[catrox14]

How great would it have been to leave the Alpha Vamp alive and let Michael have an encounter with him, or have the Alpha Vamp go against him or ally with him in some way. Instead of this one random vampire or whatever he is? 

LOL this tells me they don't plan that far ahead at all. 

Just now, Lemuria said:

And why was he sending the bunkerites out on hunts?  What was more important than tracking Michael?  Not just for Dean but because Michael is the biggest threat around to Earth. Instead of using everyone, let’s just have four people looking for him, right?  

Instead, Sam apparently just prefers to give up after only three weeks. The writers learned nothing from season 8, IMO. 

Unless they are setting up a story wherein Sam really is okay with Dean not being around. And I would actually find that interesting to know why

[Ninamags]

Oh, well that explains it.  

Using any sort of foreign language or being in any far away part of the world has lost its power to impress or shock or amaze.  

big whoop. 

[Wynne88]

4 minutes ago, Lemuria said:

He seems to have his ego on display:  what’s with the “yessir” and “Chief?” ( I don’t ever see Mr. Bossy and You Suffocate Everyone Else Dean letting people call him that.)  He seemed to accept all that demonic brown-nosing without so much as an eye roll.  

I just took it that he was too tired to care.  As far as having everybody out looking, exactly where should they look?  I can see your point, though.

[ZennyKenny]

Btw, did anyone else NOT get scenes from next week's episode? They announced that the preview was coming up, then showed us an ad for Supergirl instead.

[catrox14]

4 minutes ago, Wynne88 said:

I just took it that he was too tired to care.  As far as having everybody out looking, exactly where should they look?  I can see your point, though.

ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE? 

I'm not being snarky. Sam should have all of them turning over every possible book in the bunker and at libraries.  Bibles. Hell they have Ketch over in the UK looking for whatever.  It makes no sense that this isn't happening.

Just now, ZennyKenny said:

Btw, did anyone else NOT get scenes from next week's episode? They announced that the preview was coming up, then showed us an ad for Supergirl instead.

Nope. They didn't give a promo. 

[ZennyKenny]

2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Nope. They didn't give a promo. 

Okay. Well that sucks.

[catrox14]

Also, what is with that score during the bar fight? It sounds like some of the old school score but then they've made it like too modern or something.  It didn't sound like SPN music to me.

[ILoveReading]

I feel like the AU people should be putting all their efforts into finding Michael because they want him dead.

He destroyed their home and killed their friends.  But I guess that doesn't matter when you have hot showers and netflix and General Winchester telling you want to do.

[gonzosgirrl]

26 minutes ago, Wynne88 said:

As far as having everybody out looking, exactly where should they look? 

That is the same reasoning for Sam not looking for Dean in S8. He didn't know where to look, assumed he was dead and gave up. This time it only took three weeks.

It seems like being the leader of a bunker full of flunkies is this season's equivalent of a vet and a dog.

[ILoveReading]

38 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Unless they are setting up a story wherein Sam really is okay with Dean not being around. And I would actually find that interesting to know why

This is why I want a scene where Michael asks Mary and Sam want they want and calls them out on their "I want Dean back" BS.

[catrox14]

Wait, wait, wait.  Sam said that they used the egg to get Lucifer out of the President. Why didn't they say President Jeff? Because in the show currently, Trump is the president. Yes I AM nit picking that point. It's lazy.

[Res]

8 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

This is why I want a scene where Michael asks Mary and Sam want they want and calls them out on their "I want Dean back" BS.

As much as I'd love this if they were actually honest about it, they'd instead use it for some stupid BM speechify tell crap that doesn't match the show just watched so I'll just have to rely on fan fiction for that, I guess.