S03.E02 A Philadelphia Story

[Lady Calypso]

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The Pearsons gather to support Kevin at his movie premiere. The teenage Big Three make college decisions.

Original Airdate: October 2nd 2018

[Lady Calypso]

This Is Us: "The Pearsons gather to support Kevin at his movie premiere."

Me: Wait, so does that mean that they'll be at his event the entire time and half the Pearsons won't disappear to deal with their own drama? 

TIU: Well...yeah....

Me: Great!

TIU:...but the event won't happen until the end of the episode, Kate, Rebecca, and Toby will be distracted by her fertility issues with Kate saying that Kevin's future kids won't look like Jack (thanks, Kate!) and Randall will have decided to save the world yet again with some obligatory William flashbacks, since our Jack flashbacks will be light this episode! 

Me: .....progress? 

TIU: And also we're setting up some Randall/Kate tension?

Me:....ok, SOLD. 

[Spartan Girl]

Not cool, Kate. Not cool. 

I kind of liked Toby calling out Rebecca criticizing their choice to do in-vitro, even if he was harsh. Also, I loved his "I'm a heroin addict" quip when she and Miguel found the injections. Better enjoy Toby's lighter moments while you can because it'll go downhill pretty soon... 

Edited October 3, 2018 by Spartan Girl

[Guest]

Eloise and Plaza. I laughed hard.

That’s all I have for now.

[emjohnson03]

So Randall's arc this season will be his identity...

I enjoy the teenager timeline alot. I think Mandy Moore does the best work in that time, maybe because of the emotional tug she has to play but they all really do well dealing with Jack and his death, without making it extreme. The kids always bring it too and every time I watch it, I'm amazed how much they nail their older selves, especially Kate. 

This felt more filler but I did like the Toby smackdown, as out of character it was, he really was right. I do not like harpy Rebecca, as much as I understand it, and I really don't buy Mandy as that old. It does take me out sometimes.

It's the little things the show does well and I like that. Every little story means something.

Edited October 3, 2018 by emjohnson03

[mtlchick]

This was a lot more about William, not so much about Jack, and you have a movie premiere without one shot of Rocky or Ritchie Cunningham. 

Wasn't a fan of Kate said, even I knew what she was getting at.  And as much as Toby still grates now without the anti depressants, he was right.  Rebecca will always find a way to make it about Kate's weight.  She's 38.  I would think she knew the risks she was taking at this stage. 

And yes, I actually DO want to know how Mario Lopez has not aged since Saved By The Bell. 

Edited October 3, 2018 by mtlchick

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, deaja said:

Eloise and Plaza. I laughed hard.

That’s all I have for now.

I loved Miguel throwing shade at Rebecca but not really wanting to get in it as Kate isn’t his daughter. Very true to life. 

[bettername2come]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Kate saying that Kevin's future kids won't look like Jack (thanks, Kate!) 

In fairness to Kate, I think her point was Kevin seems unlikely to settle down and have kids. Not that she wasn't rude about it.

I just feel like I need a follow-up to Randall's reaction to that reveal. Randall seemed more upset than I expected from that comment.

Teen Kevin really seemed to be channeling Adult Kevin when trying to get Randall to !eave Kate alone about not sending the tape. Same for Teen Randall in his confrontation with Rebecca. Suddenly his speech patterns sounded very similar to Sterling K Brown.

[Bean421]

So if Kate gets her miracle child, is she going to demand special treatment over the other grandkids because her baby is, a piece of Jack? Trust me, as an infertility warrior I get wanting to get pregnant, but that was a pretty messed up statement considering her family make-up. This may belong in another thread but we've dealt with that on a smaller scale in our home. We have one biological bean and one bean who was adopted. One day I heard Bio Bean telling his brother that he wasn't a "real" member of our family. I shut that shit down so fast. We rarely yell but I honestly put the fear of God in that kid.

Kate is just my least favorite character. Where is her standalone therapy session episode?

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bean421
typing fast = many mistakes

[CleoCaesar]

Why do these 38-year-old adults seem so much like teenagers? Well-adjusted adults aren't this whiny, self-absorbed, childish, and overdramatic. How Rebecca hasn't murdered all of them is beyond me.

Randall's minute-long silence at the very end provoked like ten eyerolls from me. He's not Jack's biological son. Get over it, Randall. Why is this some massive deal? Why does a man pushing 40 have this drama queen reaction?

[ams1001]

Toby, the Lyft driver doesn't want to hear that.

"I'm adopted." "Well, then, lemme get right on fixing up that rec center for ya'!" Adoption is magic, y'all.

All right, Rebecca. Time and place. On the way to your son's big movie premiere is not it.

What time did Randall leave Philly? Wasn't it dark out? Did he have a change of clothes and go directly to NYC or did he go home first? Still at least 2-3 hours depending on whether he went home or drove direct (I assume he drove because he apparently doesn't do NJ Transit). What time did the premiere start? Midnight?

I know Toby's outburst was supposed to hint at anti-depressant withdrawal symptoms (irritability, mood swings) but I cheered a little when he told Rebecca to stop talking.

[WhosThatGirl]

Kind of underwhelmed again this week.

Anyways. We all knew Kate wasn’t going to apply to Berkeley after Jacks death and we all called Randall deferring college for a year. 

And wow. Tension between randall and Kate. That will be interesting. It seems like the tension has always been Randall and Kevin and Kate has always been allowed to be a netrual party and be the go between the two and neither has had any issues. 

I don’t know how I feel about the ivf story. I feel like everyone has their points, even Toby despite this being his big rant because he is off his meds. Also sadly show.. none of

this is making me like Kate anymore than I already don’t. The way she reacted to Kevin was kind of mean. 

[ShortyMac]

5 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

Why do these 38-year-old adults seem so much like teenagers? Well-adjusted adults aren't this whiny, self-absorbed, childish, and overdramatic. How Rebecca hasn't murdered all of them is beyond me.

Randall's minute-long silence at the very end provoked like ten eyerolls from me. He's not Jack's biological son. Get over it, Randall. Why is this some massive deal? Why does a man pushing 40 have this drama queen reaction?

Arrested development?

***

Toby's BS with going off his meds cold turkey and keeping Kate in the dark makes me so mad.

I always enjoy seeing The Big Three as teens, as painful as life after Jack is. The actors nail it.

Kate is so selfish with Kevin and Randall when it comes to their dad - she loved him more, grieved the most after he died, she's the only one who will have kids that look anything like Jack...last I checked, the same 25% of Jack's DNA would mold Kevin's children, too.

And everything comes back to Kate being hurt about her weight being a factor in a situation...water is wet. Her IVF situation wouldn't be so high-risk otherwise.

I always love Deja slowing Randall's roll, eg. the froyo: "don't make this a thing." Heh.

[SimoneS]

I wish that Kevin hadn't told Randall what Kate said about her being the only one to pass on a bit of dad. Ugh. She didn't mean to be horrible, but it hits at Randall's insecurities.

I wasn't surprised that Randall decided not to go to Howard given Rebecca's depression and his siblings being a mess. He is a fixer. He tries to fix everything for everyone which doesn't always end well.

Edited October 3, 2018 by SimoneS

[ByaNose]

I love Toby. He told it like it was. Rebecca STFU! Kate sorta had a point. An obnoxious point but Kevin ain’t gonna have kids if he can avoid it and Randall isn’t Jack’s biological kid. It’s true. Wrong to say but true.  I still like Randall for trying to please everyone. He’s a little self righteous but he really does try much to his detriment. All in all, a good episode but not enough Jack. 

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, ShortyMac said:

I always love Deja slowing Randall's roll, eg. the froyo: "don't make this a thing." Heh.

I think that was my favorite line.

[Conotocarious]

Kate was saying Kevin isn’t likely to ever have kids. Not sure why that didn’t come across to some, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

[JudyObscure]

Rebecca should have waited until the next day  to talk to Kate, but I can't fault a mother for being worried when her daughter is volunteering to have a life threatening procedure.  Sure, it's ultimately Kate and Toby's decision, but I don't see anything wrong with Rebecca expressing her concern and making sure Kate knows the risks.  There's no special birthday where you quit loving your kids.

[balmz]

ok episode, i loved toby telling them to shut up, won points for me from him

the basil comment annoyed me, as a gardener i know that you can very easily grow basil in  a small pot

the randall plot was interesting but chichi's comment at the end annoyed me, like someone is trying to help you and make life easier for you, having lived in poverty myself i would have been grateful if anyone took the time to help me, also it's just as well they didn't go to texas, it's pretty racist against blacks

kate annoyed me as usual especially the comment at the end about being able to carry a piece of jack

[Dreamboat Annie]

Oh, Randall, Randall, Randall.  And all this time I've been thinking it's Kate who needs to get her head out of her ass (and she probably still does).

Although, I am loving teen Randall right now.  Wondering if he takes a year off to uh.. help at home?  Help at home = Win Beth.  Rebecca could be of some help here, since at some point she obviously chose Jack over anyone else - and they showed him again this episode.  And he may not have been just anyone.  I think it was very predictable that someone like Rebecca would not have been completely unattached when she and Jack met.  It almost looks like she was in the midst of a breakup, since she told Jack that she didn't know "he" was going to show up. 

[jmonique]

I loved season 1 and 2, but I've grown really weary of the siblings shitting on one another's moments. 
This was supposed to be about Kevin's premiere, but Kate & Co. throw down in his living room, and then Randall has Identity Issue #702. I get it, he's adopted and just as much part of the family and can carry on Jack's spirit, but dude, get off the cross. He knows what Kate meant. 

Also, Kate would be a mediocre mother at best. 

They're all way too self-involved, and I find it entertaining that Kevin is the only one who realizes that in himself and accepts it.

Also, I was over Deja a year ago. Does Randall realize he has two other kids, as well?

[ams1001]

3 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Rebecca should have waited until the next day  to talk to Kate, but I can't fault a mother for being worried when her daughter is volunteering to have a life threatening procedure.  Sure, it's ultimately Kate and Toby's decision, but I don't see anything wrong with Rebecca expressing her concern and making sure Kate knows the risks.  There's no special birthday where you quit loving your kids.

I don't blame her for saying something; she just picks the worst times to have big conversations (though her kids all seem to have inherited that trait). You're supposed to be celebrating your other kid's big movie break. Put it on hold for a night.

 

2 minutes ago, balmz said:

the basil comment annoyed me, as a gardener i know that you can very easily grow basil in  a small pot

My parents have a planter/table thing about the size of a Foosball table and about 8 inches deep on their deck and they practically grow a whole salad in there (there's red and green lettuces, basil, and a few other things). 

[DearEvette]

I get that Kate's comment meant biologically.  But you pass on more than just DNA from your parents.   I felt bad for Randall in that moment. It may not have been as bad if he hadb't already been told he wasn't part of William's world.  Now to hear something like that from Kate of all people had to hurt.

I am loving Randall and Kevin's relationship evolution.

One again Beth looked fab!

I agree that I really enjoy the teenage crew. 

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah.. Kevin is becoming my favorite character. Yes he can be self absorbed but I’m liking him more than Kate or Randall. Who literally go through their same issues each week. 

[CleoCaesar]

jmonique, I want to marry your entire post.

Randall's obsession with Deja is starting to really make me uncomfortable. It's too intense. It's bordering on creepy at this point. Annie and Tess, who are adorable and wonderful, are being neglected and Deja is being smothered. I'm half-expecting a storyline where he and Deja get too close, if you catch my drift.

[AllThatJazz91]

3 minutes ago, jmonique said:

I loved season 1 and 2, but I've grown really weary of the siblings shitting on one another's moments. 
This was supposed to be about Kevin's premiere, but Kate & Co. throw down in his living room, and then Randall has Identity Issue #702. I get it, he's adopted and just as much part of the family and can carry on Jack's spirit, but dude, get off the cross. He knows what Kate meant. 

Also, Kate would be a mediocre mother at best. 

They're all way too self-involved, and I find it entertaining that Kevin is the only one who realizes that in himself and accepts it.

Also, I was over Deja a year ago. Does Randall realize he has two other kids, as well?

It is getting annoying how Kevin can never have his moment. But we've seen since he was a kid, he was the forgotten one. So I'm sure he's use to it. Of course that doesn't make it right. But that's just how it is in the Pearson family. 

I'll admit I do like Deja and her dynamic with Randall. But it would be nice to see her with their adoptive sisters. Or we get to learn more about Tess and Annie in general. 

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, Conotocarious said:

Kate was saying Kevin isn’t likely to ever have kids. Not sure why that didn’t come across to some, seemed pretty straightforward to me.

That isn't what she said initially; she had to explain what she meant afterward, which is fine, but it still came across very harsh. 

I gotta be honest; I'm really growing tired of Randall and his problems. I just want something new for Randall but it feels like he's going through very similar plots for the last three seasons. He has issues with his identity because he's adopted. Ok, great. Is there anything else to him besides that? And it's odd since it's not like it's been the same exact story, but it feels very paint-by-numbers. I can't fully explain it, I guess. Can this season be Randall learning to be selfless like Teen Randall? I love Teen Randall because he hadn't hit that narcissism part of himself like Adult Randall has. 

Speaking of similar stories, Kate's story centers around her weight yet again. At least we got a very nice Kate/Rebecca scene, where both stopped being judgmental pricks and talked things out. But still, I'm also a little tired of Kate focusing so much on her weight. 

Toby's blowup was my favourite part of the episode. Stupid cliche lying trope aside, I enjoyed seeing Toby completely snap at Rebecca, and it was well deserved. 

Kevin's at least self aware of his flaws and he continues to grow bit by bit. I didn't mind him being taken aback by Kate's snide comment, but she did apologize and I think he knows, better than anyone, how reactive Kate was and how she snapped under pressure. He's done that many a times so it was nice for him to move on from the comment.

William is my least favourite character on this show. It's not that he's a bad guy or a bad character, but I have never been able to really like him much and that's 100% on the way the show treats William and how the show pretends that William's extreme mistakes were just mistakes. Nobody ever got mad at William, besides Randall briefly in the pilot and Beth briefly a couple of episodes after that.

And now Randall is...what, gonna save the community center? I'm not quite sure where that plotline is going, though I have some ideas.

The flashbacks of a grieving Pearson family was well done. 

[Dreamboat Annie]

I daresay I do believe the beautiful daughter of William's friend has caught Randall's eye.  Do I smell trouble in the Randall and Beth paradise?  Not only that, but I think she's challenged him.  What - he says?  I'm not one of you?  Well, now that I've heard I'm not passing down any of Jack, I'm setting out to prove I am one of you.  As if Deja wasn't enough of a challenge.  Memo to Randall - get your butt back into that job with that nice corner office with those spectacular views!

[jmonique]

3 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

I get that Kate's comment meant biologically.  But you pass on more than just DNA from your parents.   I felt bad for Randall in that moment. It may not have been as bad if he hadb't already been told he wasn't part of William's world.  Now to hear something like that from Kate of all people had to hurt.

As someone of mixed heritage, I get Randall's confusion, to an extent. But he's also 38 and hands down the most brilliant person in the family. Intellectually, he should have realized what Kate meant, put it aside and supported his brother. Instead, he did the Randall "OH MY GOD, I LOOK LIKE I JUST GOT KICKED IN THE FACE BY A GOAT" look that he gets when his soul is in crisis, and I just wish he had a storyline outside of the same thing we've seen for two years, and his growing obsession/over-identification with Deja.

[mommalib]

19 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

Why do these 38-year-old adults seem so much like teenagers? Well-adjusted adults aren't this whiny, self-absorbed, childish, and overdramatic. How Rebecca hasn't murdered all of them is beyond me.

Randall's minute-long silence at the very end provoked like ten eyerolls from me. He's not Jack's biological son. Get over it, Randall. Why is this some massive deal? Why does a man pushing 40 have this drama queen reaction?

Jack was Randall's father and there is more than one way to pass on a piece of Jack, what Kate said was hurtful and dismissive no matter how you slice it. I felt for Randall this whole episode. The man tries and tries and tries to help and fix only to get told your not one of us. He feels like he doesn't rally belong anywhere I can only imagine that kind of loneliness. Then I think about how he sacrificed going to Howard so he could look out for family and then I jump to Kate's comment, If I was Randall I would be pissed too. The ironic thing is Randall passes on more of Jack than either of the twins ever could.

8 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

jmonique, I want to marry your entire post.

Randall's obsession with Deja is starting to really make me uncomfortable. It's too intense. It's bordering on creepy at this point. Annie and Tess, who are adorable and wonderful, are being neglected and Deja is being smothered. I'm half-expecting a storyline where he and Deja get too close, if you catch my drift.

Randall's kids seem pretty well adjusted , Deja is the one that needs the attention right now. Nothing creepy just a sweet man trying to help a young girl who's parents abandoned her.

[ams1001]

Aren't Tess and Annie like 10/11 and 7/8? Wouldn't they have to have some kind of parental permission for after-school clubs? I didn't just announce to my parents when they came to pick me up after the first day of school (not just because I took the bus) that I have a club meeting (and clubs never met on the first day of school, either) and if I had they wouldn't have just said, "okay, see ya'." 

3 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

And now Randall is...what, gonna save the community center? I'm not quite sure where that plotline is going, though I have some ideas.

I think Beth was channeling the entire audience when she asked if he was gonna buy it.

[mommalib]

Some you people's divisiveness about Randall's feelings is weird.  

[memememe76]

Rebecca is such a tragic character. Withdrawn Rebecca reminds me so much of an aunt I had, who never fully came back to life after my uncle passed, even though my special needs cousin was still alive and needed attention. Rebecca has a new life with Miguel, but I wonder if we will ever see Rebecca be as free and happy as when she was with Jack. 

I am less concerned about whether Mandy can pass certain ages, but I buy her emotional well being in the various Rebecca's she had to play tonight.

[tennisgurl]

Whats really ironic about what Kate said about her being the one to carry on Jacks legacy is that Randal is by far the most like him of the three kids. Big gestures, devoted parent, loves adoption, etc. He might be adopted, by he is definitely a lot like Jack personality wise, and is very much his fathers son. And, while I do get tired of his adoption angst all the time, I can get why that really stung, especially after hearing how he could never really be a part of Williams world. 

I love how Deja always has Randall's number, but him consonantly putting all his adoption issues on her is just getting weird, especially as he seems to be spending so much time with her, that he hardly spends him with Tess and Annie. Even after last year and the stuff with Tess running off in Kevin's car, he still doesn't realize this is going to be Kevin all over again!

[mommalib]

13 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

That isn't what she said initially; she had to explain what she meant afterward, which is fine, but it still came across very harsh. 

I gotta be honest; I'm really growing tired of Randall and his problems. I just want something new for Randall but it feels like he's going through very similar plots for the last three seasons. He has issues with his identity because he's adopted. Ok, great. Is there anything else to him besides that? And it's odd since it's not like it's been the same exact story, but it feels very paint-by-numbers. I can't fully explain it, I guess. Can this season be Randall learning to be selfless like Teen Randall? I love Teen Randall because he hadn't hit that narcissism part of himself like Adult Randall has. 

Speaking of similar stories, Kate's story centers around her weight yet again. At least we got a very nice Kate/Rebecca scene, where both stopped being judgmental pricks and talked things out. But still, I'm also a little tired of Kate focusing so much on her weight. 

Toby's blowup was my favourite part of the episode. Stupid cliche lying trope aside, I enjoyed seeing Toby completely snap at Rebecca, and it was well deserved. 

Kevin's at least self aware of his flaws and he continues to grow bit by bit. I didn't mind him being taken aback by Kate's snide comment, but she did apologize and I think he knows, better than anyone, how reactive Kate was and how she snapped under pressure. He's done that many a times so it was nice for him to move on from the comment.

William is my least favourite character on this show. It's not that he's a bad guy or a bad character, but I have never been able to really like him much and that's 100% on the way the show treats William and how the show pretends that William's extreme mistakes were just mistakes. Nobody ever got mad at William, besides Randall briefly in the pilot and Beth briefly a couple of episodes after that.

And now Randall is...what, gonna save the community center? I'm not quite sure where that plotline is going, though I have some ideas.

The flashbacks of a grieving Pearson family was well done. 

Let me ask you something if you sick of Randall's problems are you sick of Kate's?, Rebecca's? or Kevin's? Because they all have issues that's a defining part of who they are.

[Rowan]

So, Rebecca’s not saying anything, cause she knows it will not be what Kate and Toby want to hear, but Kate can’t have that, so she pushes until she gets what she wants, and that is to go ahead and start the fight about it. She wanted it. She got it. Sure, she wishes her Mom would just be like, “Oh, Kate, I hope this works out! I know it might carry risks, but it will be worth it!”, but she knows good and damn well that was not what her mother was feeling, so instead of letting her choke all the negativity down for at least Kevin’s movie premiere, she pushes. ‘Cause she craves the negativity. Kate is my least fav. 

Adult Randall is not half as endearing as kid Randall or teenage Randall. 

I so hope to meet teenage Beth. 

[ByaNose]

2 minutes ago, Rowan said:

So, Rebecca’s not saying anything, cause she knows it will not be what Kate and Toby want to hear, but Kate can’t have that, so she pushes until she gets what she wants, and that is to go ahead and start the fight about it. She wanted it. She got it. Sure, she wishes her Mom would just be like, “Oh, Kate, I hope this works out! I know it might carry risks, but it will be worth it!”, but she knows good and damn well that was not what her mother was feeling, so instead of letting her choke all the negativity down for at least Kevin’s movie premiere, she pushes. ‘Cause she craves the negativity. Kate is my least fav. 

Adult Randall is not half as endearing as kid Randall or teenage Randall. 

I so hope to meet teenage Beth. 

I almost thought teenage Randall was going to meet Beth at the party. Unfortunately, it was just the host parents dancing. Has it been told exactly when Randall & Beth met?

[Dejana]

24 minutes ago, Dreamboat Annie said:

I daresay I do believe the beautiful daughter of William's friend has caught Randall's eye.  Do I smell trouble in the Randall and Beth paradise?  Not only that, but I think she's challenged him.  What - he says?  I'm not one of you?  Well, now that I've heard I'm not passing down any of Jack, I'm setting out to prove I am one of you.  As if Deja wasn't enough of a challenge.  Memo to Randall - get your butt back into that job with that nice corner office with those spectacular views!

I admit that crossed my mind...in real life attractive people cross paths without it a leading to anything romantic, but this is TV show, if Randall isn't going to be even tempted at some point, someone far less good looking would have been cast in that role.

I get Rebecca's concerns, but not the time. Plus, she knows bringing up Kate's weight with her in any way is just a sore subject. The flashbacks showed that Rebecca has a way of choking down her concerns about the kids in the name of keeping the peace, so maybe she just couldn't anymore in the present. Kate is in a better place with her mom, but old patterns are hard to break.

Eloise isn't bad on its own but with Plaza? Oh dear.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Dejana

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, mommalib said:

Let me ask you something if you sick of Randall's problems are you sick of Kate's?, Rebecca's? or Kevin's? Because they all have issues that's a defining part of who they are.

As I mentioned in my post, yeah, I'm sick of Kate's problems. We're not seeing enough of Rebecca's, at least in the present day. I was tired of Kevin's issues until he started to show actual growth, and I can admit that I'm not really invested in his relationship with Zoe like I thought I would be; but I think I actually like Kevin best when he's single. I like Teen Randall and Kid Randall. They're my favourite versions of him. Adult Randall is annoying to watch. Adult Kate is annoying to watch. 

For Randall, I'd much rather stop hearing about himself and start watching him focus on his kids. I want him to take charge of his life and not get bottled down by his adoption issues, because he's very clearly still defined by that part of his life. They have so many potential stories for Randall but they keep bogging him down with similar ones. 

I actually prefer Beth to Randall at this point. I get annoyed with Beth, but nowhere near the level of annoyance I've gotten with Randall since last season.

[Rowan]

1 minute ago, ByaNose said:

I almost thought teenage Randall was going to meet Beth at the party. Unfortunately, it was just the host parents dancing. Has it been told exactly when Randall & Beth met?

I thought that, too, and I was disappointed for a second, then it segued into his flashback of seeing his parents together and it hitting him how alone she must feel, and I was like, I love young Randall. It’s adult Randall who is always so extra that it mutes some of his innate charm. 

[mojoween]

I thought Randall mentioned in season one that he met Beth in college?

Gigi is stunning.  I could spend an hour just watching her throw shade at Randall.  And also smiling.  Her smile could stop traffic.

Gigi is William’s friend, Skye is the daughter William held and who was showing Deja how to step.

Miguel says they have to get going to the premiere, but apparently Kevin can wait because Miguel spotted caramel creme pudding.  That made me laugh.

[DoItToIt]

3 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Gigi is stunning.  

I thought I was hearing him say "Chichi," a pretty common nickname in Igbo language.

Edited October 3, 2018 by DoItToIt

[Amethyst]

I would also like to see Randall interacting with Tess and Annie more.  Or Beth with her daughters.  Oh, hell, anything with Beth.  As usual, Randall means well, but he is pushing his adoption and identity issues onto Deja.  It's his nature to give 100% whenever something is going on, but he needs to just let her be.  Deja's not trying to run away, she wants to be there.  

Speaking of which, I'm really not into this community center thing.  They already bought an entire apartment building, now Randall wants to tackle the neighborhood?  Being landlords is enough, slow down.  I wonder how all that is going considering that Randall is still unemployed.  I'm guessing rent from the tenants is supplanting his lost income?  And I'm sure he got a great severance package, but if Beth is the only one bringing in money, it could be why she's so stressed.  It's been a year since William passed.

Although Rebecca did deserve the dressing down from Toby, I still feel like she gets shit on more than anyone else in that family.  

 

23 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Has it been told exactly when Randall & Beth met?

I thought it was at a college party.  Kevin gave Randall some pick up lines so he could talk to Beth.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Amethyst

[Ms Blue Jay]

I found this episode dull.  When I tweeted that, two people iMMEDIATELY responded to me like "WHAAAT?!  HOW COULD YOU?"  I found that funny.  I'm glad some viewers really enjoyed it.

The casting of Kevin and Kate as teenagers is brilliant, looks-wise.  They do a good job acting wise too. I don't think teenage Randall looks at all like Sterling, but hey, the kid's a good actor and I guess I like his always-scared energy.  

I'm not good at the simple math that the fact checkers here seem to be, but if that time period when the kids are teens is supposed to be the 90s then Mandy Moore's hair looks kinda Rachel Greeny so that's awesome.  But before Jack dies - um.  I don't think anyone's hair looked like Rebecca's in the 80s.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  It looks way too stylized with like 2000s highlights and straightened with a flip at the end.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[RickyB]

Did Jack and Rebecca go to an open house in the house Randal eventually buys to raise his family? It looked like it. 

[AmandaPanda]

1 hour ago, CleoCaesar said:

Why do these 38-year-old adults seem so much like teenagers? Well-adjusted adults aren't this whiny, self-absorbed, childish, and overdramatic. How Rebecca hasn't murdered all of them is beyond me.

Randall's minute-long silence at the very end provoked like ten eyerolls from me. He's not Jack's biological son. Get over it, Randall. Why is this some massive deal? Why does a man pushing 40 have this drama queen reaction?

I felt for Randall. I feel like he has always been othered by his siblings. Kate's comment was extremely hurtful for both Kevin and Randall. The fact that she didn't immediately realize that upon seeing Kevin's reaction shows she has very little regard for other people's feelings. For Randall, all he hears from that is "Well, you're not Jack's real son." His children may not look like Jack, but his entire parenting style is straight-up from his dad. He carries on Jack's legacy in his children every single day. 

31 minutes ago, mommalib said:

Let me ask you something if you sick of Randall's problems are you sick of Kate's?, Rebecca's? or Kevin's? Because they all have issues that's a defining part of who they are.

I find Randall's problems to be more complex than the others, so I'm not as tired of his. I would like to see more emphasis on his relationship with Tess and Annie, particularly with how Deja being there affects them. I'm 1000% tired of Kate's problems. She has become so grating and insufferable. I keep trying to find something redeeming about her and I really can't. 

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5 minutes ago, RickyB said:

Did Jack and Rebecca go to an open house in the house Randal eventually buys to raise his family? It looked like it. 

I was trying to determine the same thing.  I had the same thought.

[Lady Calypso]

9 minutes ago, RickyB said:

Did Jack and Rebecca go to an open house in the house Randal eventually buys to raise his family? It looked like it. 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't, but I don't know for sure. It felt like a different layout, besides the stairs being by the front door and the living room to the left.

[Amethyst]

3 minutes ago, AmandaPanda said:

The fact that she didn't immediately realize that upon seeing Kevin's reaction shows she has very little regard for other people's feelings. For Randall, all he hears from that is "Well, you're not Jack's real son." His children may not look like Jack, but his entire parenting style is straight-up from his dad. He carries on Jack's legacy in his children every single day. 

It really was a thoughtless, cruel thing for Kate to say about her brothers, hormones be damned.  In Randall's case, that's twisting the knife deeper.  Just how long has Kate felt this way?  Does have any influence on her not wanting to adopt?  Insecurities or not, I understand why Randall would be upset, and probably overthink this.