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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

So ... yeah.  Saddiq got Carl killed over his freeing walker souls nonsense,

Nah, Coral got Coral killed by being a dick, by not using the years of experience that should have kept himself well away from any shuffling, shambling corpse.

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

So Dante likely didn't show up at Alexandria until sometime after that, when everybody should have been on lockdown and incredibly wary of anyone they didn't know.

I guess they didn't show his entrance because they couldn't think of a way to do it that made any sense at all, not that that has ever stopped anyone.

At the gate: "Howdy all! I'm Dr. Dante, at your service! I was just passing through and thought this looked like a nice friendly place. Anyone want to get a room?"

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6 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

. Did she get sick from the Fish!?

Evidence points to "yes." 🤔

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Since I don't find Siddiq "hot" I don't care what happens to him. I have not yet personally seen him do much of anything that could be construed as helpful.

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From TSDF Army: S10.E07 "Open Your Eyes"

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1. We see Siddiq is really deep in trauma and hallucinations. Do we see the beheadings from his point of view?

Kind of but not all the way. These are all heavily edited shots with blood spatters, blood spilling on the floor, Siddiq being forced to watch, Alpha moving in to decapitate DJ.

2. So Dante kills Siddiq. How does this all go down?

After having another breakdown, Siddiq jumps in the water, Rosita jumps in after to get him out, and they have a proper conversation where Rosita actually pushes him to tell her what's been bothering him all this time. He talks about how he was forced to watch everything, doing nothing to help. Then he starts talking about how there is no common denominator among the sick people, except… At this point, he has some sort of an epiphany and realizes that it's the water. He goes to the water system and switches the handle from DRINKABLE to UNDRINKABLE. After this, it's nighttime and he's back at his house looking out the window when Dante comes in from behind with another one of his pep-talks. After he says a bunch of motivational bullshit and specifically mentions "pulling his weight WITH THE WATER while Eugene is gone," he clicks his tongue. At this point, Siddiq has another flashback of the Whisperer who was physically forcing him to keep his eyes open also clicking his tongue. He realizes it was Dante. He turns around, there are a few tense seconds where he looks around for apparently something to attack him with, Dante also realizes that he's onto him, and a fight ensues. Dante overpowers him, starts choking him and says "I didn't want this! Not you! Not like this!" Then he tells him to close his eyes, and we see Siddiq's arm fall to his side, motionless. This is the final shot of the episode.

3. Do the others find out that Dante killed Siddiq and that Dante is a Whisperer? If so, what do they do with him?

Since this happens at the very end of the episode, no.

4. Do we know why Lydia doesn’t recognize Dante, but she recognizes the captured Whisperer?

There is no information on this, unfortunately.

5. What happens with the illness breakout in Alexandria? Does it get worse? Does Dante have anything to do with it?

There is no specific information on this, I can only say that people do seem to be getting worse. But this is still very much only Siddiq's problem with no general interest and certainly nothing from Aaron about the creek being contaminated. We also don't see any specific involvement on Dante's part, except the final comment he makes that I mentioned in Q2.

6. What information do Carol and Daryl get out of the Whisperer they captured?

The most important thing that he tells them is that the Whisperers all think that Alpha killed Lydia. He tells them that he will never betray Alpha, that she sacrificed her daughter for them, and that he's willing to give his life for her. There's also a bunch of lecturing on how they are all lying to one another and to themselves, concerning their lifestyle. "You fight for what? Sandwiches?"

7. There's a promo picture with stuff all over Carol's face. What is it?

In order to kill him with kindness, she offers the captured Whisperer bread and jam. He puts the whole thing in his mouth, visibly shaken, crying while eating, only to spit it right back all over Carol's face.

8. What is going on in the promo picture showing Carol with a bloody hand. Did she punch the Whisperer dude? Do we know why she’s wearing her wedding ring from Ezekiel?

After the jam incident, they decide to resort to violence. So Carol puts on the ring and punches the Whisperer a bunch of times. Again, to no avail.

9. What's going on with Gamma and Aaron?

This is a two part situation:

- First, they are having a friendly-ish banter, it's daytime. Aaron offers her bread and shows her a drawing his daughter made. Gamma asks if there are more children in their community, apparently thinking about her sister's child. Aaron tells her that he knows she's trying to get intel, and that maybe he should do the same, but what's the point? He tells her that maybe they should just talk about stuff that are not worth reporting, and just basically chit-chat instead. Gamma kind of flees mid-sentence. I can say that she's visibly intrigued by everything Aaron did and said.

- I will get into the second part on Q12.

10. What boundaries is Carol pushing with Daryl?

After hearing that the Whisperers think that Lydia is dead, Carol rushes to get Lydia to prove the captured Whisperer otherwise. They have an argument where Daryl tells her that the she is not going to get Lydia involved in this and that the kid's been through enough.

11. What do Carol and Lydia talk about on the balcony?

Carol asks Lydia what she knows about the Whisperer they captured. Lydia talks a bit about how her mother twists people, gets them to do what she wants, making them think that it's what they want, giving them no choice. She basically tells Carol to kill him with kindness, show him what they have at Alexandria and that a place like that can survive. She says that an idea like that is dangerous, that it can spread, and that there's nothing her mom can do to stop it.

12. Why are Lydia and Carol out by themselves? Does Daryl or anyone else know what they are off doing?

- The Whisperer they captured actually dies, and very quickly, apparently because of a herb that was wrongly administered by Dante. When Siddiq tells Dante that he killed him, Dante quickly puts the blame on Siddiq, saying that he was the one who packed the medicine bag, and that he had no way of knowing that the red stuff Siddiq packed was not X (the healing one) but Y (the deadly one). I'm pretty sure this was a ploy by Dante, designed to kill the Whisperer to keep him from talking.

- The Whisperer's death happens mere moments before Carol can bring Lydia to show him that she's alive.

- In the meantime, Alpha meets Gamma to get more information on Aaron, and seeing that she's hesitant, she whips her and reminds her to stay strong against the temptations. Gamma goes back to meet Aaron with a visible change in attitude, holding him at knife-point this time to get actual, substantial information. That's when Carol arrives with Lydia. Gamma is absolutely shocked at the sight of Lydia. She runs off and starts crying hysterically.

- But this has one more consequence: This time, Lydia feels betrayed, she says that Carol used her and that she's "just like her". She also runs off, alone. Aaron and Carol are unable to stop her.

- Daryl or anyone else don't know anything about any of this.

13. Is Alexandria the only community that we see?

Yes.

14. Do we get more daddy Daryl scenes with Lydia?

No one-on-one scenes, only him vigorously telling Carol to keep Lydia out of it.

15. Does anything else interesting happen in this episode?

A topless Daryl has a really nice cuddling scene with Dog that is definitely worth mentioning. Also, Rosita and Siddiq have a lot of dialogue; about parenting first, and about Siddiq's problems later. I guess we can say too little too late, unfortunately.

16. Does anyone else besides Siddiq die?

Besides the Whisperer, Yes, Cheryl dies too. And Gamma kills a walker. That's all.

EDIT: *UPDATE*

They don’t show Lydia and Carol leaving Alexandria. We see them on horseback with Lydia guessing correctly that “they aren’t going hunting.” Carol asks her if she still wants to help. Lydia says yes. It’s a short scene. Later at night is when they run into Gamma and Aaron.

Earlier in the episode Carol tells Lydia that she should choose a side and she should want to prove to everyone that she belongs. Then later after encountering Gamma, Lydia tells Carol that she told her to choose a side, “I’m choosing mine” and runs off.


After watching the episode again, the source has come to a different conclusion about the water situation and explained:

So apparently, handles pointing upwards means DRINKABLE, downwards means UNDRINKABLE. They are supposed to be rotated sideways, clockwise and counter-clockwise for each option. At the beginning of the episode, apparently first thing in the morning, we see Siddiq going to the system and turning all handles upwards, pointing towards DRINKABLE, and filling up a big bottle to bring water to the infirmary.

Later on, when he realizes that the water might be the source of the sickness, he goes back to inspect the system, and it turns out that one handle, the one controlling the tap that he used to get the water for the infirmary, was deliberately bent and folded upon itself to actually point in the opposite direction. And since it was left that way, it means that ever since it was bent, that handle naturally always pointed in the opposite direction of the chosen preference, the whole time. So everytime Siddiq turned it to point upwards for DRINKABLE to get drinkable water, it actually gave out undrinkable water, which must mean the cancellation of some filtering process. I came to the conclusion that this was also Dante's doing, to get them to collect unfiltered water instead, thinking it's drinkable.


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On 11/12/2019 at 2:50 PM, OoohMaggie said:

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Bread & Jam? Really, I suppose it tallies with the bloody hand, she would have smacked him in the mouth after that but why no B&J on her clothes? 

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I mean, sure, let's have Carol go all Krystle or Alexis Carrington smacking a guy around with a diamond ring.  She's old enough to have watched original recipe Dynasty.

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why they even bothered showing us the Whisperer contaminating the creek with walker guts (which sparked plenty of its own head scratching and speculation here) when it was going to turn out to be asshole medical guy tampering with the water filtration.  Yeah, I know.  Don't think too hard about it.

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Oh let.me guess the Lydia thing causes tension with Daryl and Carol because? That's so fucking stupid

 I'd get it, if Lydia was a KID but JFC she's a late teen at best (16/17) and her fucking mother killed a boy she cared about but, no it's all Evil Carol's fault for expecting a girl who "claims" she wabted to help to actually do something. 

Seriously, show I need my Carol/Negan team up. 

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Awwww, Siddiq.  Having him as an important member of the community made Carl's death a tiny bit easier to bear.  Now it's all thrown away.  For the fucking Whisperers.

I'm no fan of Carol (for real!), but if it's a choice between the people in the communities dying and Lydia having a bad day, I'm Team Carol all the way.  Lydia is Henry in a dress and Alexandria doesn't need ANOTHER snotty teen to angst all over the place. 

They need to take Lydia to a hill over the Whisperers camp, maybe the next time they have a barbecue, and show them all that Lydia is alive and well.  Then leave to let Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Negan sort it all out among themselves.

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6 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I'd get it, if Lydia was a KID but JFC she's a late teen at best (16/17) and her fucking mother killed a boy she cared about but, no it's all Evil Carol's fault for expecting a girl who "claims" she wabted to help to actually do something. 

Yep.  Lydia's not a scared 6-year-old.  She's almost grown.  Her fucking mother has already killed a bunch of people and made it clear she'll be just fine with killing a bunch more if they don't follow all of her arbitrary "rules."  These communities have repeatedly incurred her wrath for taking Lydia in and trying to help her.  If Lydia can be of any use to them so no one else has to die then she either needs to do that or she doesn't really want to help and in that case, she needs to move it on along and best of luck to you, kid.  I'm just completely out of patience with teenage snits being sad "choosing her own side" because big mean Carol won't coddle her when Carol is busy being proactive at least trying to figure out a way out of this mess.

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Clip of Daryl and Dog, I enjoyed. Daryl is turned off by the doggie breath? Really? Not sure how he'd even notice it over the stench of his own unwashed body with "Eau de Walker Guts" lingering.

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Those sirens reminded me of Silent Hill, that was a scary arse film, 😱

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So I stopped the preview clip just in time to see a close up of the USA sailboat and a lady with long dark hair is on it with a guy. Is that Maggie? (at 12-13 second mark in clip above). No, it actually looks like Michonne and the guy Judith takes down later in the clip.

ALso, Daryl is punching Dante. So the jig is up for him. I figured based on that clip where Rosita goes to Siddiq's and Dante is there and Siddiq turns while they are talking so she'll know he killed him. Later in clip, Dante is in the jail with Gabriel. Roh ruh, Dante, you done pissed off Gabe bringing out his dark sided Father Evil.

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The Dante clip goes to some lengths to explain HOW he got into Alexandria, which I know is something we were all wondering about given that a major plot point last season was how distrustful of outsiders they had been and that their guard really should have been up after Pikefest.  (But no, let's take in a whole 'nother group of people right now while we know this other group of people just snuck in and killed a bunch of us.)  It still gives us nothing to make sense of WHY Dante would do this.  Alpha says Lydia doesn't know him, which suggests he's probably fairly new.  So it's not like he's been roaming with these whackadoos for awhile and is all in on the lifestyle.  He's certainly seemed to enjoy all the perks of civilization while living at Alexandria.  So he does this and his big reward is going to be ... to get to go back and sleep in the woods and eat worms?

As with much about the Whisperers themselves, it all falls apart when you have to think about the WHY of any of it.

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3 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

The Dante clip goes to some lengths to explain HOW he got into Alexandria, which I know is something we were all wondering about given that a major plot point last season was how distrustful of outsiders they had been and that their guard really should have been up after Pikefest.  (But no, let's take in a whole 'nother group of people right now while we know this other group of people just snuck in and killed a bunch of us.)  It still gives us nothing to make sense of WHY Dante would do this.  Alpha says Lydia doesn't know him, which suggests he's probably fairly new.  So it's not like he's been roaming with these whackadoos for awhile and is all in on the lifestyle.  He's certainly seemed to enjoy all the perks of civilization while living at Alexandria.  So he does this and his big reward is going to be ... to get to go back and sleep in the woods and eat worms?

As with much about the Whisperers themselves, it all falls apart when you have to think about the WHY of any of it.

The only why I can think of is that Alpha secretly wants to take over and live in a community with all those perks. And run it dictator (Negan) style. She is using her whisperers to get there. 

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1 hour ago, Lamima said:

it actually looks like Michonne and the guy Judith takes down later in the clip.

His name’s Virgil, I don’t read the comics so have no idea as to what he’s about, Michonne has to have a reason for her forthcoming actions, maybe he’s it.

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1 hour ago, Lamima said:

The only why I can think of is that Alpha secretly wants to take over and live in a community with all those perks. And run it dictator (Negan) style.

I think she’s traveled too far down the Looney Tune highway to about turn and live a ‘normal’ life.

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Press release,

”Tension begins to mount in Oceanside in the wake of a fight as the Alexandrians embark on a high-stakes mission.”
 

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On 11/18/2019 at 11:11 AM, OoohMaggie said:

His name’s Virgil, I don’t read the comics so have no idea as to what he’s about, Michonne has to have a reason for her forthcoming actions, maybe he’s it.

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I hope Virgil stays the fuck away from Carol.  She's worse than prostate cancer to a Black man and I'm sick of seeing brothers fall for Carol's sake.

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On 11/18/2019 at 10:05 AM, nodorothyparker said:

So it's not like he's been roaming with these whackadoos for awhile and is all in on the lifestyle.  He's certainly seemed to enjoy all the perks of civilization while living at Alexandria.  So he does this and his big reward is going to be ... to get to go back and sleep in the woods and eat worms?

No kidding. He's certainly old enough to well remember living like a person with all kinds of amenities like running water, no lice, and beds with pillows. There's even an opening now in Rosita's little stable and seeing the above clip he may have thought of that as well. He's willing to let it all go, for the glory of making that dirty little loon proud of him?

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No full write up yet from the folks over at TSDF Army for the midseason finale, but they did drop these nuggets:

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- Rosita has to kill walker Siddiq.

- Dante is found out and interrogated.

- Gabriel kills Dante very abruptly.

- Michonne sails away with newcomer Virgil to an island where they supposedly have enough weapons to take out Alpha and the horde. This is the motivation for leaving, to get help.

- Luke has a close call, but doesn’t die thanks to Virgil saving his life.

- Gamma tells Aaron that her real name is Mary and that the baby they took in is her nephew, this all seems to be very sincere, and she apparently tells him where the horde is, but when they get to the spot, it's no longer there.

- They see Alpha when they get there and Carol takes off after her. The others (Daryl, Connie, Kelly, Jerry, Aaron, and Magna) follow. They all fall in a cave. Nobody is hurt. The ending is the revelation of hundreds or maybe thousands of zombies inside the cave.

So the ending is Our Heroes in a giant hole, part 2.  Seriously.

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The others (Daryl, Connie, Kelly, Jerry, Aaron, and Magna) follow. They all fall in a cave.

TPTB seem to be really trying to get into the comedy racket.

2 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

So the ending is Our Heroes in a giant hole, part 2.  Seriously.

You'd think Daryl at least would be more wary of falling in holes since he knows nothing good comes of it.

2 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Connie, Kelly, Jerry, Aaron, and Magna

They ALL fall in the hole? No shit? Well, live and learn, I guess. I suppose this means more eps in total darkness.

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14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Rosita has to kill walker Siddiq.

Obviously, Coco, daddy’s got to go see Maggie now, coochy coo 🧟‍♂️

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Dante is found out and interrogated.

I hope Daryl starts with those teeth 🦷

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Gabriel kills Dante very abruptly.

Abruptly? I can’t wait, tell me more tell me more 😛

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Michonne sails away with newcomer Virgil to an island where they supposedly have enough weapons to take out Alpha and the horde. This is the motivation for leaving, to get help.

Where is this island, Oahu? I suppose the show’s tried a little harder than “Someplace far” 🤔

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Luke has a close call, but doesn’t die thanks to Virgil saving his life.

I hate this new guy already 😡

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Gamma tells Aaron that her real name is Mary and that the baby they took in is her nephew, this all seems to be very sincere, and she apparently tells him where the horde is, but when they get to the spot, it's no longer there.

Aaahh, that’s my Mother’s name, you only have to snap a twig to become surrounded with Walkers, now they can’t see, smell or hear a horde! 🙄

14 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

- They see Alpha when they get there and Carol takes off after her. The others (Daryl, Connie, Kelly, Jerry, Aaron, and Magna) follow. They all fall in a cave. Nobody is hurt. The ending is the revelation of hundreds or maybe thousands of zombies inside the cave.

I suppose the undead beat Tarantulas (Tarzan) or rapidly approaching Lava (also Tarzan). Let’s see how they ramp up the tension with that one, and explain how six people manage to ‘fall’ into a cave already full of Walkers, I’m not sure if it’s that, or FG acting Abruptly that’s making me drool. 🤤

At what point does a hole in the ground become a cave?

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8 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

They ALL fall in the hole? No shit? Well, live and learn, I guess. I suppose this means more eps in total darkness.

I hope this at least provides Aaron the opportunity to use his ‘Bat’ utility arm, did he bring the hole escape attachment?

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They're apparently in the part of Virginia that had a swamp somewhere between the communities that Daryl, Dwight, and Tara got lost in a season or two ago and then was never mentioned again.  It's close enough to the ocean for Oceanside to exist and and now an island somewhere far over there.  It's flat and fertile enough to support an old plantation like Hilltop, and now we learn it also has caves big enough to hide a megaherd.  Sure, why not?

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42 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

and now an island somewhere far over there.

Maybe they’ll wash up on ‘The Land That Time Forgot’, we’ll see Michonne battling T-Rex and watch Virgil being fed to a nest of baby Pterodactyls, now that I would pay to see! 🦖

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's flat and fertile enough to support an old plantation like Hilltop, and now we learn it also has caves big enough to hide a megaherd.  Sure, why not?

Luray Caverns?

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25 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Luray Caverns?

Is that within walking distance? Hard to say, since distance and time is so fluid and ever-changing on this show. Maybe they can make a side-trip to the "Dukes of Hazzard Museum" on the way.

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20 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Michonne sails away with newcomer Virgil to an island where they supposedly have enough weapons to take out Alpha and the horde. This is the motivation for leaving, to get help.

So let’s leave the big arsed fishing boat behind, we’ll take the toy boat with enough room for a catapult and a few pebbles! Hawaii here we come!

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14 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

So let’s leave the big arsed fishing boat behind, we’ll take the toy boat with enough room for a catapult and a few pebbles! Hawaii here we come!

OMG! Does this mean she’s left the brat behind? A whole season of listening to her, Aaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh 🔪🔫

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We've had to watch one character or another literally or figuratively lug Judith around for seven seasons.  We'd never get rid of her that easy. You know damn well cuddly Uncle Negan is going to end up raising both of the Grimes spawn before this is all over with so he can check that box off on his big redemption tour too.

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1 hour ago, OoohMaggie said:

So let’s leave the big arsed fishing boat behind, we’ll take the toy boat with enough room for a catapult and a few pebbles! Hawaii here we come!

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Is this from the show? A boat with all those pristine, white, impeccable sails?

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Okay, so spoilers from TSDF Army after all.

Q&A for S10.E08, "The World Before" or alternatively The One Where Our Gang Ends the Half Season Falling Down a Giant Hole Full of Walkers and All Those Other Side Plots Didn't Add Up to Crap

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1. What happens with walker Siddiq?

Rosita showing up at Siddiq's door, right before Dante stabs dead Siddiq in the head is the opening scene of the episode. While they are talking at the door, Rosita seems to hear growls coming from the inside and becomes suspicious. When Dante picks up on that, he reveals that he has a knife. Rosita puts baby Coco in a bathtub, and they get into a fight. Dante overpowers Rosita at first, but she manages to stab him, goes to kill walker Siddiq just in time before he reaches baby Coco in the bathtub, comes back to knock Dante out cold.

2. How is Dante dealt with? What prompts Daryl to punch him? How does he die?

Daryl's punch is the opening scene of the aftermath of Q1. Since the punch is the very first shot, we don't see why Daryl throws it. He then says, "I hope that hurts." Dante tells them how the plan was to encourage their paranoia about the Whisperers. He is shown to be responsible for the Silence The Whispers graffiti, the undrinkable water, and Cheryl's death (he suffocated her with a pillow). Later on, Gabriel goes to his cell, gives him a whole speech on how people maybe don't deserve a second chance but sometimes get one anyway, and very unexpectedly stabs him, many many times to death.

3. What happened to Lydia? Does she return to Alexandria or her mother?

We don't see Lydia in this episode.

4. Does Daryl know what happened with Carol & Lydia? What is his reaction?

Daryl is incredibly supportive of Carol. I found it interesting that Daryl is the one telling Carol how Lydia's being there protects them, and Carol is the one telling Daryl that that shouldn't be Lydia's only function to them. There is no specific mention of what happened with Carol going against Daryl's wishes.

5. Does Aaron say anything to anyone about Gamma/Mary?

Yes, he does tell the group that they have been meeting, that the baby Connie saved is her nephew, and he takes them to where Mary says the horde is.

6. What prompts the group of Daryl, Carol, Aaron, Connie, Jerry, Kelly and Magna to be out and about?

First, to go and check out where Gamma says the horde is. Second, to look for Lydia. But they can't get to the latter due to unforeseen circumstances.

7. Why are Rosita and Eugene outside the walls fighting walkers?

Rosita hears one walker banging its head against the walls and goes out to kill a few of them to blow off steam, apparently. But when a walker approaches her from behind, she has flashbacks of Dante attacking her, Coco crying and Walker Siddiq being all zombified, so she has a hard time getting rid of the walker. Eugene, who happens to be passing by, helps her. It is revealed that he intends to make Hilltop his home now. He kindly says condolences to Rosita, but he leaves a bit abruptly without offering her much else, seemingly leaving Rosita disappointed.

8. Does Eugene have anymore contact with his new radio gal pal?

No.

9. What do Carol and Ezekiel talk about?

Siddiq's death and the mission to find Alpha's horde. When Carol asks him if everything else is okay, he pauses and simply says "good luck." That's it.

10. We see Daryl hugging Carol in the trailer. What are the circumstances surrounding that?

Daryl being unhappy with Carol putting herself in danger over how much she wants Alpha dead. He tells her that she needs to try and talk to him about things, and to not let Alpha take away their future too.

11. What's Alpha doing?

Alpha shows herself to Carol and lures her towards what seems to be a cave. When everyone else follows her, they all fall inside to see a whole bunch of zombies in a sunken area, with no way out in sight. Whether Gamma led them there on purpose or not is not revealed, but there is someone watching them from behind the trees when they go to where she said the horde would be and argue over false information, with Aaron telling them that he still believes that Gamma told him the truth.

12. Do we see Negan at all?

Nope.

13. What's happening at Oceanside?

Apparently, there is someone who has been messing with the security system. This turns out to be Virgil trying to steal a boat to get back to his wife and children after having left his home looking for supplies.

14. What is Virgil’s story?

When Luke, Michonne, Scott and Judith are on their way to Oceanside, Judith reveals that she has been writing down an account of everything that's happening in their lives, and Luke suggests that they stop at a library on the way to get some reference books for Judith. While at the library, he's attacked by two walkers and saved by a stranger. When they get to Oceanside, it turns out that this was Virgil, actually causing problems over there while saving Luke's life. Michonne questions him on where he lives, he tells her that he lives on an island two days away and that maybe they can help each other.

15. Why does Michonne leave on a boat?

It turns out that Virgil lives on a naval base, and he offers Michonne use of the weapons there in exchange for her taking him back home. Michonne tells him that the weapons will cover the damage he caused at Oceanside, and she has to take him home and bring the boat back to them. She explains to Judith that the weapons they have over there might be big enough to take out Alpha's horde once and for all and end the war. Judith agrees, and Michonne and Virgil take off.

16. Is Beta in this episode?

No.

17. Who all dies?

Dante and some walkers.

18. Does anything else interesting happen?

A few things:

- We see how Alpha puts Dante up to the task of infiltrating Alexandria four months ago. We find out that he had a son who was killed by walkers. Alpha also specifically states that Lydia doesn't know Dante.

- Gamma tells Aaron that the baby they rescued is her nephew. She tells him where she thinks the horde is with hopes of seeing the child in return for the intel.

- Aaron and Gracie have a nice scene where Aaron tells her about some of his past experiences.

- Dog isn't seen in this episode.

- Judith has a bunch of scenes, and she actually stops Virgil from running away, earning a compliment from him on how good she is with the sword.

- Rosita and Holy G have a bit of an argument that can be interpreted in two different ways: I think some will say that Gabriel is being dismissive (which is what Rosita thinks), and some will say that Rosita is overreacting to her encounter with the walkers by underestimating herself too much (which is what Gabriel thinks). But my opinion is that there is an explicit effort with the writing to make him come off as dismissive, and this combined with Eugene's sort-of-dismissal of Rosita makes me wonder if they are planning on taking the now-triangle of love in a different direction.

19. How does the episode end?

With the revelation of a whole damn zombie apocalypse of its own inside the cave.

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14 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

The One Where Our Gang Ends the Half Season Falling Down a Giant Hole Full of Walkers

I'm actually looking forward to seeing this 😆

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1 minute ago, raven said:

I'm actually looking forward to seeing this 😆

Is it wrong that I'm dearly hoping there's some kind of rock chute or slide involved?

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2 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

Is it wrong that I'm dearly hoping there's some kind of rock chute or slide involved?

No, because it would be awesome and hilarious!

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52 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

Is it wrong that I'm dearly hoping there's some kind of rock chute or slide involved?

Ooh, we need something like what happens in wild adventure movies, as in they're all standing there, leaning over and asking each other, "Is that a cave?" and Beta sneaks up behind them and shoves a log along the ground that sweeps them all off their feet so they're straddling the log and they all fly down the chute, screaming like riders on a roller coaster. I'm in for that.

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1 hour ago, nodorothyparker said:

- Aaron and Gracie have a nice scene where Aaron tells her about some of his past experiences.

"So, Sweetie, want to hear about how Daddy got lost in the woods and got all dehydrated? Or you want to hear how I fell in the patch of giant hog weed right after I poured out my innermost feelings to Uncle Negan? Or even the time our Great Mythical Leader, RickyG, punched me right in my face and made me eat a spoonful of yucky, icky applesauce?"

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9 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

Gabriel goes to his cell, gives him a whole speech on how people maybe don't deserve a second chance but sometimes get one anyway, and very unexpectedly stabs him, many many times to death.

I hope we’re getting BadAss FG back, Amen to that!

9 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

We find out that he had a son who was killed by walkers

Well that explains his desire to become one then, glad they cleared that up 🤔

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