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1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I was disappointed that more of the couples didn't engage in the dance contest, especially Simone, who is all elbows.  That was really fun, though!  I'm glad Heavenly and Daddy won, even if Scott was better.  I wish Quad had participated just to ruffle Toya's feathers.  It's funny that Toya objects so hard to Quad coming on couples' trips when Quad wouldn't fuck with Eugene even if his dick was solid gold.  She wouldn't' even give that divorced dentist the time of day.

I literally lol’d at Heavenly and Dr Damon dancing.  They were hilarious!

I agree with folks above, I hate the couples trip nonsense. 

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1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

This was the best episode of the season so far.

First of all, there are no words for how awesome Toya's house was.  I don't give a rat's behind if there's no furniture--I'd cut a bitch to live there.  Good for them if they can afford it.

Jackie's slip show, while not a HIPAA violation, as she's not Buffie's doctor, is one of two things in my mind.  Either:

  1. she's doing this for a storyline, in which case, shame on her; or
  2. she realized how cosmically unfair it was for her to lose her fertility and she lashed out at Buffie to displace her pain, which, again isn't normal or healthy, which is apparently the way she's making it out to be

Also, I know very little about the OB-GYN community, but at what point is one officially "infertile"?  I would think it would be with menopause or if your doctor sat you down and told you that there was no chance your egg could be fertilized.  Is Buffie definitely infertile, or has it just not happened yet, despite a tremendous amount of trying?  Because I'm not a doctor, but I don't know that it was even accuarate for Jackie to say that.

I think it's weird that Buffie gets more screen time than Mariah.

Ok, I'm not a Contessa fan, and I have been vocal that I think she and Scott are at least exaggerating their marriage problems for a storyline, but what the fuck was up with "Dr Metcalfe" taking a telephone call during a therapy session with his wife? I understand that doctors are busy, but there has absolutely got to be 45 minutes to an hour per week that he can completely unplug.  And get this fuck out of here by swearing you thought it was on vibrate when Contessa asked you to turn it off.  If it's on vibrate, you're going to do the same shitty behavior of taking a call during a therapy session!  Vibrate or ring, you still know someone's calling you and you're taking it and that sucks!  Dr Littlejohn was so much more professional than the rest of the doctors try to be.  Contessa's braids looked really cute in Cabo.  

Hey, speaking of Cabo, I thought Toya and Eugene weren't counting that as their first vacation together because they were having unmarried sex!  Never change.  Anyone catch Toya saying she paid her own way?  What did she do prior to marrying?

I was disappointed that more of the couples didn't engage in the dance contest, especially Simone, who is all elbows.  That was really fun, though!  I'm glad Heavenly and Daddy won, even if Scott was better.  I wish Quad had participated just to ruffle Toya's feathers.  It's funny that Toya objects so hard to Quad coming on couples' trips when Quad wouldn't fuck with Eugene even if his dick was solid gold.  She wouldn't' even give that divorced dentist the time of day.

Although now I see what you were saying about the sedentary lifestyle  @ZaldamoWilder.  Eugene has regained all of his weight and possibly more, and maybe he was physically incapable of dancing with his wife, which kind of sucks.  In my early twenties, I would have thought that was ok, like just dance by yourself, whatever. In my late, late, late twenties, I find it a turn-off.  😉

I have dig deeper evidently...like post above...I got same ol shitty episode with stupid insights or some crapola...

swear...cable TV is ONE ☝️of the hugest monopoly games played out there today..and I’m not on good location for other choices...

every since the “New Platform” = BS....

Eff you all...

Comcast/Xfinity/Time Warner/etc......ALL the illegitimate spawns of parent company....fuck you and the horses you rode in on!

so...there’s that...one more thing I’m pissed about...🤭🤣

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In case anyone is looking for belated holiday gifts...😂     

which still makes me confused as to when the eposide was filmed.. didn't she have a book at the book signing party ? Yet BN is expecting it to be available in 2020 ?

two years notice on a 256 pg. "V" book ??

{quote from B&N}:

"In The Queen V, the beloved OB-GYN, celebrity doctor, and star of Bravo's Married to Medicine reveals the twelve principles behind a happy and healthy vagina…and other lady parts." {end-quote} 

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18 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

This was the best episode of the season so far.

First of all, there are no words for how awesome Toya's house was.  I don't give a rat's behind if there's no furniture--I'd cut a bitch to live there.  Good for them if they can afford it.

Jackie's slip show, while not a HIPAA violation, as she's not Buffie's doctor, is one of two things in my mind.  Either:

  1. she's doing this for a storyline, in which case, shame on her; or
  2. she realized how cosmically unfair it was for her to lose her fertility and she lashed out at Buffie to displace her pain, which, again isn't normal or healthy, which is apparently the way she's making it out to be

Also, I know very little about the OB-GYN community, but at what point is one officially "infertile"?  I would think it would be with menopause or if your doctor sat you down and told you that there was no chance your egg could be fertilized.  Is Buffie definitely infertile, or has it just not happened yet, despite a tremendous amount of trying?  Because I'm not a doctor, but I don't know that it was even accuarate for Jackie to say that.

I think it's weird that Buffie gets more screen time than Mariah.

Ok, I'm not a Contessa fan, and I have been vocal that I think she and Scott are at least exaggerating their marriage problems for a storyline, but what the fuck was up with "Dr Metcalfe" taking a telephone call during a therapy session with his wife? I understand that doctors are busy, but there has absolutely got to be 45 minutes to an hour per week that he can completely unplug.  And get the fuck out of here by swearing you thought it was on vibrate when Contessa asked you to turn it off.  If it's on vibrate, you're going to do the same shitty behavior of taking a call during a therapy session!  Vibrate or ring, you still know someone's calling you and you're taking it and that sucks!  Dr Littlejohn was so much more professional than the rest of the doctors try to be.  Contessa's braids looked really cute in Cabo.  

Hey, speaking of Cabo, I thought Toya and Eugene weren't counting that as their first vacation together because they were having unmarried sex!  Never change.  Anyone catch Toya saying she paid her own way?  What did she do prior to marrying?

I was disappointed that more of the couples didn't engage in the dance contest, especially Simone, who is all elbows.  That was really fun, though!  I'm glad Heavenly and Daddy won, even if Scott was better.  I wish Quad had participated just to ruffle Toya's feathers.  It's funny that Toya objects so hard to Quad coming on couples' trips when Quad wouldn't fuck with Eugene even if his dick was solid gold.  She wouldn't' even give that divorced dentist the time of day.

Although now I see what you were saying about the sedentary lifestyle  @ZaldamoWilder.  Eugene has regained all of his weight and possibly more, and maybe he was physically incapable of dancing with his wife, which kind of sucks.  In my early twenties, I would have thought that was ok, like just dance by yourself, whatever. In my late, late, late twenties, I find it a turn-off.  😉

I'm glad Heavenly and Daddy won, too.  And you seriously cracked me up with your assessments about how Quad would so not ever fuck Eugene. Nailed it!

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19 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

First of all, there are no words for how awesome Toya's house was.

The best house porn I've seen on Bravo in some time. Beautiful home!

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21 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Also, I know very little about the OB-GYN community, but at what point is one officially "infertile"?  I would think it would be with menopause or if your doctor sat you down and told you that there was no chance your egg could be fertilized.  Is Buffie definitely infertile, or has it just not happened yet, despite a tremendous amount of trying?  Because I'm not a doctor, but I don't know that it was even accuarate for Jackie to say that.

I think you are medically considered infertile if you are a sexually active woman of reproductive age and you've been trying unsuccessfully to become pregnant for two years or more. I am not sure, but I don't think fertility specialists start getting concerned until you've been trying for at least six months (and I think that varies depending on your age). I can't remember if Buffie said how long they tried but just based on the amount she said they spent ($200K), I would guess they tried for more than two years. Hell, they may still technically BE trying, if they're having unprotected sex.

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On 11/19/2019 at 2:33 PM, Mr. Miner said:

The best house porn I've seen on Bravo in some time. Beautiful home!

I still don’t understand how they can afford it when they just paid off back taxes a couple of years ago. That had to be easily a $1 mil + investment. 

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12 hours ago, laprin said:

I still don’t understand how they can afford it when they just paid off back taxes a couple of years ago. That had to be easily a $1 mil + investment. 

I started to say let's Zapruder it.  But according to whomever celebliveupdate is, now that they are out of tax debt, between Eugene's salary and hers, they cooooould pay for the architect, the plot and the mortgage in under two years.   I laughed at the description of Toya as being "committed" to the series.   Tuh! she's making $1.2M gross a year and I'm not sure she finished high school.  Sheeeiiiiiid, eva-ree-singletime Bravo called I'd answer the phone like hellohellohello! can you hear me now? 

https://celebliveupdate.com/married-to-medicine-cast-net-worth-and-salary-wiki-bio-spouse-dating-married/

On 11/18/2019 at 7:08 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

This was the best episode of the season so far.

First of all, there are no words for how awesome Toya's house was.  I don't give a rat's behind if there's no furniture--I'd cut a bitch to live there.  Good for them if they can afford it.

Jackie's slip show, while not a HIPAA violation, as she's not Buffie's doctor, is one of two things in my mind.  Either:

  1. she's doing this for a storyline, in which case, shame on her; or
  2. she realized how cosmically unfair it was for her to lose her fertility and she lashed out at Buffie to displace her pain, which, again isn't normal or healthy, which is apparently the way she's making it out to be

Also, I know very little about the OB-GYN community, but at what point is one officially "infertile"?  I would think it would be with menopause or if your doctor sat you down and told you that there was no chance your egg could be fertilized.  Is Buffie definitely infertile, or has it just not happened yet, despite a tremendous amount of trying?  Because I'm not a doctor, but I don't know that it was even accuarate for Jackie to say that.

I think it's weird that Buffie gets more screen time than Mariah.

Ok, I'm not a Contessa fan, and I have been vocal that I think she and Scott are at least exaggerating their marriage problems for a storyline, but what the fuck was up with "Dr Metcalfe" taking a telephone call during a therapy session with his wife? I understand that doctors are busy, but there has absolutely got to be 45 minutes to an hour per week that he can completely unplug.  And get the fuck out of here by swearing you thought it was on vibrate when Contessa asked you to turn it off.  If it's on vibrate, you're going to do the same shitty behavior of taking a call during a therapy session!  Vibrate or ring, you still know someone's calling you and you're taking it and that sucks!  Dr Littlejohn was so much more professional than the rest of the doctors try to be.  Contessa's braids looked really cute in Cabo.  

Hey, speaking of Cabo, I thought Toya and Eugene weren't counting that as their first vacation together because they were having unmarried sex!  Never change.  Anyone catch Toya saying she paid her own way?  What did she do prior to marrying?

I was disappointed that more of the couples didn't engage in the dance contest, especially Simone, who is all elbows.  That was really fun, though!  I'm glad Heavenly and Daddy won, even if Scott was better.  I wish Quad had participated just to ruffle Toya's feathers.  It's funny that Toya objects so hard to Quad coming on couples' trips when Quad wouldn't fuck with Eugene even if his dick was solid gold.  She wouldn't' even give that divorced dentist the time of day.

Although now I see what you were saying about the sedentary lifestyle  @ZaldamoWilder.  Eugene has regained all of his weight and possibly more, and maybe he was physically incapable of dancing with his wife, which kind of sucks.  In my early twenties, I would have thought that was ok, like just dance by yourself, whatever. In my late, late, late twenties, I find it a turn-off.  😉

3.  complete and absolute shittiness.    Jackie was the one person on this show I could say in mind, with certainty would never do/say [fill in this blank].    She was my MTM litmus.  

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The thing I love about Damon is how fun he is on the low.  But Crush Groove '19?   Bruv.  You outweigh Scott by a good 2 Butterballs and you're 50.   What good is the penthouse suite...in traction?  

So, 34?

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On 11/19/2019 at 2:33 PM, Mr. Miner said:

The best house porn I've seen on Bravo in some time. Beautiful home!

yeah... but that house is going to be a mother to cool and heat. GA Power and Ga Natural Gas must be jumping for joy. 

I would have liked to see the other living spaces..  I saw alot of space, staircases, openness... there is such a thing as functionality.... at least show rooms like a home office, guest bedroom/in-law suite (ie didn't she personally decorate each bath)... extra stuff like Heavenly has a beauty salon... pool house.. I would have been happy to see the garage & laundry room - surely that must have some kind of upgrade..

was the kids room on the bottom floor ? 

Any taking bets how long they will stay there ?  Let me know the odds...

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“This has been a long time coming; we have been waiting so many years to get where we are now,” she told Bravo Insider, adding, "When Eugene became a physician, our first house was not in the millions. Let's be clear. It was under six and some people's is under three. And so at the end of the day, when you build up the ladder and you get to a place where you can afford certain things and put certain things down and the bank actually says approved and you're at closing and you actually leave with a key, let's be clear, it's a big deal."

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Episode 11:

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"Bus-ted Cabo"

Buffie breaks her silence with Jackie for talking about her infertility, but Jackie hits back hard; Toya has a meltdown when the minibus breaks down, forcing Simone and Cecil to come up with a new couple's activity.

Airs November 24, 2019.

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I love Contessa's braids. I do not like Toya's short black talking head wig or Heavenly's locs. They look too tight on Heavenly's edges.

I liked hearing Buffie's husband in psychiatrist mode at that disastrous-ass dinner.

37 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Well, I agree with Toya - Jackie was all the way wrong.

All the way wrong! Even if you ARE friends and not "associates" (and are Buffie and Jackie even cool like that? Buffie says no. If Buffie and Simone are friends, Jackie has probably been around Buffie since Jackie and Simone have been friends for so long, but that doesn't make her and Buffie friends), that doesn't give you license to tell all their business! You have to have permission to tell people's stuff! Buffie's right that Jackie's not used to people calling her on her shit. Actually, Buffie was dead right in general.

Contessa and Scott are going through it. Yikes. 

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Jackie is still ANGRY about Mariah and she's taking it out on Buffie.  I'd still like to know the reason she decided to hone in on Buffie, although I suspect she tried it with Buffie because she didn't expect Buffie to push back on her.

Heavenly needs to sit down because Jackie blasted Buffie in public so Jackie needs to catch that smoke in public.  She was downright indignant when Buffie said she didn't like what Jackie told a group of strangers about her fertility; it was an air of "who are YOU to question what EYE do?"

Everyone in the group (besides Heavenly who is up Jackie's ass) knows Jackie was wrong; too bad none of them spoke up for Buffie at the table (although Buffie was doing just fine shutting down both Jackie and Heavenly).

It actually doesn't matter if Jackie had malicious intent in telling the book party crowd about Buffie's fertility.  When confronted about it, instead of saying "I was wrong, I wasn't thinking, I'm sorry", Jackie said:

  • Whut you say?
  • Well I was just tryna relate
  • I'm ti'ed of people talking to me any old way
  • I'm finished with this situation
  • You done met the new Jackie tonight

What was all of that?  That's a lot of defensiveness and anger about somebody you really don't know who hasn't done anything to you. And by the way, astute viewers met the "new" Jackie several seasons ago.  Mean Girl Jackie is nothing new.

25 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

Just who the hell is Buffy, BTW?? And why are she and her hubs on the couples trip?

Buffie was brought on as Simone's friend.  She owns a tax business and her husband is a psychiatrist.  The only cast member she's had a dust up with before this book party/couples trip is Toya, because Buffie's client was reading Toya about her taxes.

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On 11/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, Empress1 said:

I think you are medically considered infertile if you are a sexually active woman of reproductive age and you've been trying unsuccessfully to become pregnant for two years or more. I am not sure, but I don't think fertility specialists start getting concerned until you've been trying for at least six months (and I think that varies depending on your age). I can't remember if Buffie said how long they tried but just based on the amount she said they spent ($200K), I would guess they tried for more than two years. Hell, they may still technically BE trying, if they're having unprotected sex.

Buffie said she has become pregnant many times, she just can't carry a baby to full term so technically Jackie is wrong about her being infertile. And she's a Dr.?  Shut up, Jackie. I'm tired of her. Her misery is showing. 

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How can Jackie, as a doctor and just as a friend, think it is okay to announce to a room full of people that Buffie is infertile??? That was absolutely inappropriate and thoughtless. It is not her place to broadcast someone else's medical issues to anyone else.  I think her ego has just gotten too big and now she has the attitude that she is above reproach. She is caught up in her Dr Jackie sainthood. Is that why she took Curtis back after his cheating? To show what a saint/martyr she is? I am over her.

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Jackie must feel embarrassed and humiliated after being called out at the dinner. Imagine how Buffie felt!! Finally Jackie is exposed as the nasty, unprofessional, petty witch that she is. 

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Jackie sure showed her ass at that dinner.  She was dead wrong, and flew into a cold rage at being called out for it and having to apologize.  That wasn't much of an apology, either. Her minion Hellishly needs to shutty about Jackie's sainthood, too.  I don't follow any social media, but I hope people are dragging Jackie all over the internet.

When they were all crammed into that little bus and bitching about it, I had a FAMILY VAN!!! moment.

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46 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

Jackie must feel embarrassed and humiliated after being called out at the dinner.

And the only person who came to Jackie's defense was Heavenly.  Because everyone else at the table knew Jackie was dead wrong for calling Buffie out at the party on her infertility and acting indignant when told she was wrong for doing so.

12 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

I don't follow any social media, but I hope people are dragging Jackie all over the internet.

They have been ever since the preview clip of her calling Buffie out at the party.  She's been running around social media claiming she didn't know it would be so mortifying for Buffie and gosh she sure wishes she could turn back time but she's apologized so many times to Buffie but Buffie just won't accept her apology and she just doesn't know what to do but she prays Buffie's heart will be healed and take this as a learning experience and there's nothing more she can do *sigh*.

I personally think all the fire and smoke Jackie had for Buffie was actually for Mariah.  Jackie was sitting there thinking "Here's another bitch trying to have a storyline off of me, making a big deal out of nothing, well I'm gonna nip this bitch in the bud."  I think Jackie told Buffie all the things she wanted to say to Mariah but couldn't and it backfired on her.

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I will be honest and admit that Jackie's personality reminds me of my mother in many ways. She appears to be someone whose self concept is very dependent on being someone others admire as a highly moral and upright citizen. The upside of this is that it can prompt good decisions, gracious actions and generosity. The dark side is that it can cause one to shut down any observation that one's motivations are anything but good. 

When another person verbalizes an offence, the first reaction will be defense of the intent behind the offending action. This generally makes the other person accept the non-apology and move on. If you press further, there is reiteration of angelic intent, assertion that you know the kind of wonderful person they are and how they would never hurt you on purpose. Then, if you push again for the actual apology, there will be anger (illustrated by Jackie) or tears and martyrdom to the point your instinct is to retreat or wish you never started the conversation and sometimes even doubt your own memory/sanity. Friends and family members generally talk about this person behind their back and roll their eyes but, confrontations are rare and thus, this type of person can remain protected from criticism and self assured of their own righteousness in most situations. 

I have learned to choose my battles carefully, preplan my points, and gird my loins when I do choose confrontation. I also know going in that my goal is to stretch my own growth in the area of standing up for myself (because I couldn't as a child), possibly protect my child from emotional harm (if applicable) and an apology from her is a possible bonus. I suspect people like Jackie actually knowing they are wrong makes the reaction worse especially if they become aware of it during the course of the conversation. 

All things considered, Buffy did great. Mr. red12 commented on how supportive her husband appeared.

I also noticed how Heavenly shut her mouth when Buffy took it to her. Further proof of what a bully she is. I do think Heavenly's defeat there heightened her retaliation against Scott and poor mood concerning her husband enjoying himself. 

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1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

They have been ever since the preview clip of her calling Buffie out at the party.  She's been running around social media claiming she didn't know it would be so mortifying for Buffie and gosh she sure wishes she could turn back time but she's apologized so many times to Buffie but Buffie just won't accept her apology and she just doesn't know what to do but she prays Buffie's heart will be healed and take this as a learning experience and there's nothing more she can do *sigh*.

Sounds like Jackie, alright.  Perhaps she wouldn't need to make so many apologies if just one of them was a proper apology, without excuses, rationalizations, and condescension.

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Jackie has turned her pain into purpose, as she says - but her anger at being called out shows how fragile her carefully constructed ego trip actually is, and how much she needs to see others in the same boat. The doc could use a bit of therapy.

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I wonder if Jackie ever considered adoption? If she wanted to be a mother so badly she could have gone that route. Oh, that's right, her asshole husband said he didn't want any more kids. She could have divorced that creep and adopted on her own.  I can not understand why she ever agreed to stay in the marriage. Judging by how miserable she is this season it looks like she may have made a mistake by taking him back. I firmly believe he is the reason for the negative change in her. 

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I also think Jackie looks down on the doctors' wives, as if they are lesser beings.  She even looked down on Heavenly and Heavenly actually is a doctor.  No doubt Jackie's rage was further fueled by the thought of a doctor's wife having the nerve to try to step to HER.

Buffie's husband gave good advice at the table.  I like him.

Eugene was itching to jump in the women's business again.

Contessa and Scott: I think both of them could benefit from individual counseling before even trying to tackle marital counseling.  Contessa needs to figure out what the heck it is she wants.  She doesn't know but is mad Scott can't figure it out.  Or she does know and is mad Scott won't let her be great.  Scott could be more supportive and I do think there is a double standard as far as decision making in the household, men vs. women.  I think Contessa needs to come back inside out of the rain: Scott changing a job or career in Atlanta isn't the same as Contessa leaving her household to go to school in a different state.  As I recall, Contessa wanting Scott & the children to uproot their lives in Georgia and move with her to TN.  Obviously the program didn't mean THAT much to her if she quit it 2 months before completion.  So I need both of them to get clear on what it is they want out of life and to STOP being passive aggressive about it.  That ain't it.

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I wonder if Jackie ever considered adoption? If she wanted to be a mother so badly she could have gone that route. Oh, that's right, her asshole husband said he didn't want any more kids. She could have divorced that creep and adopted on her own. 

I wonder if adoption agencies didn't want to consider her because of her advanced age and her illness.  If that's the case, her not adopting is not Curtis' fault, so she shouldn't be blaming him for that.

Both of them had to be in accord with adoption.  Curtis didn't want to parent any more children at his age, and that's his right.  Both of them are in their late 50s/60s.  Jackie wanting them to adopt at age 50+ is basically asking Curtis to spend his remaining years on earth tooling after a child day to day and he may not have wanted to do that.

Furthermore, Jackie had the perfect "out" to kick Curtis to the curb & adopt on her own.  She didn't take it; that's not Curtis' fault.

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I firmly believe he is the reason for the negative change in her. 

Jackie's always been a smug undercover asshole; Curtis is not the reason for her slip falling.  It's just that Jackie usually slips in her digs in a calm, quiet manner and its usually against a cast member nobody likes so people let it slide.  With the Buffie incident, she wasn't undercover about it and that's why it's so shocking.

Both Curtis & Jackie are smug assholes; they complement each other.

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20 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Contessa and Scott: I think both of them could benefit from individual counseling before even trying to tackle marital counseling.  Contessa needs to figure out what the heck it is she wants.  She doesn't know but is mad Scott can't figure it out.  Or she does know and is mad Scott won't let her be great.  Scott could be more supportive and I do think there is a double standard as far as decision making in the household, men vs. women.  I think Contessa needs to come back inside out of the rain: Scott changing a job or career in Atlanta isn't the same as Contessa leaving her household to go to school in a different state.  As I recall, Contessa wanting Scott & the children to uproot their lives in Georgia and move with her to TN.  Obviously the program didn't mean THAT much to her if she quit it 2 months before completion.  So I need both of them to get clear on what it is they want out of life and to STOP being passive aggressive about it.  That ain't it.

I thought that conversation was interesting. While I don't think you should ask permission to make a major change, I do think you have to talk to that person about the change because it affects them too. You can't act like you're single when you're not. Scott and Contessa don't look like they do that. IIRC, she informed Scott that she would be quitting her job, which to me is part of a larger conversation (I think Scott said something like "I wish you'd have thought of that before we bought this house").

But we've seen Contessa make two big life changes now in not that much time. And not just life changes, but opposing life changes. She wanted to be a SAHM, and now she wants to be Surgeon General. Those are two very different paths. And from her "YOLO, baby!" comment, it seems like she's fine with going where her impulses take her, but that's hard to navigate with a family. I'm not saying she shouldn't pursue her dreams, but it sounds like she needs to talk and think through her dreams more.

(And I still say if the program is only a year, she should have just finished the damn thing. I don't understand why they didn't hire some household help. Hell, Buffie has a whole person living in and managing her household of two. You'd think Scott and Contessa could hire a housekeeper and/or a nanny. What do the kids do after school?)

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1 hour ago, drivethroo said:

Both of them had to be in accord with adoption.  Curtis didn't want to parent any more children at his age, and that's his right.  Both of them are in their late 50s/60s.  Jackie wanting them to adopt at age 50+ is basically asking Curtis to spend his remaining years on earth tooling after a child day to day and he may not have wanted to do that.

I was thinking that adoption would have been an option for Jackie and Curtis in their 40's, not now. It's more and more common to adopt later in life. Jackie has a successful life and money which goes a long way in the adoption process. Look at Hoda Kotb for example. She is  55 and recently adopted a baby and she's single.  

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37 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

But we've seen Contessa make two big life changes now in not that much time. And not just life changes, but opposing life changes. She wanted to be a SAHM, and now she wants to be Surgeon General. Those are two very different paths. And from her "YOLO, baby!" comment, it seems like she's fine with going where her impulses take her, but that's hard to navigate with a family. I'm not saying she shouldn't pursue her dreams, but it sounds like she needs to talk and think through her dreams more.

She doesn't want to be Surgeon General that badly; otherwise she would've finished the program.

Scott said something very telling at the beginning of the season, he told Contessa this was just another one of her schemes.

Contessa snapped at Heavenly for saying couples find a way to work it out & support each other.  I think Scott would be a little more supportive of Contessa if she found something and stuck to it.  She's flighty & impulsive & expects Scott and the kids to support her every whim because YOLO.  I think if Heavenly or any of the other wives wanted to make a big life change they would discuss it with their husbands and see what works.  I don't think Contessa is about that life, which is why they're having problems.

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I was thinking that adoption would have been an option for Jackie and Curtis in their 40's, not now.

Jackie was diagnosed with cancer in her 40s so adoption was not an option at that point.

Jackie could've easily kicked Curtis to the curb and adopted on her own.  She didn't do that, so she really can't blame him now for not adopting.

I don't think Jackie would be a nurturing mother.  If she had had a child with Curtis & the kid came out big & burly, she would be nitpicking them (especially if it was a girl), if the kid had not stellar grades in school, wasn't perfect, Jackie would be nitpicking and destroying that child's self esteem.  I think Jackie wants a kid as another accomplishment, she wants a child to say "I'm a Mother(tm)" instead of caring & nurturing a soul & raising them to be a good citizen.

Now she could still have residual unhappiness at Curtis cheating.  The dynamic I see between them is a puppy with his tail tucked between his legs and her lording it over him.  I'm not saying he shouldn't be contrite; he should.  I think she holds the financial & emotional power in the relationship. Curtis is going to get tired of playing the pound puppy routine and he's going to lash out again by cheating.  It's only a matter of time.

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Jackie wanted to look into adoption, but Curtis did not.

Contessa gets on my nerves. She has no sticktuitiveness and wants to blame Scott for this latest failure. She could have gone to school in Georgia, which would have inconvenienced the family but not upended it. She also could have arranged for a nanny/housekeeper to backup Scott in her absence, but she'd rather play the martyr. I don't like her at all and never have. I think she may have some issues related to her father and upbringing that she needs to resolve.

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Learned something new... I didn't know the US had a military base in Africa..

"Camp Lemonnier. Camp Lemonnier is a United States Naval Expeditionary Base, situated next to Djibouti–Ambouli International Airport in Djibouti City, and home to the Combined Joint Task Force – Horn of Africa (CJTF-HOA) of the U.S. Africa Command (USAFRICOM). It is the only permanent U.S. military base in Africa"  ( link )

Contessa - thanks for the schooling on our military presence in Africa but you're still on my list for this 1yr Master of Public health degree in Nashville dropout after 8 mths  business... still want to take off my belt, shoe, cut a switch and anything else the old school generation would have employed to set you straight...

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You wouldn't be so alone had you went to school online or in atlanta - the kids would have been with you every night next to you while you study.

Scott - call her bluff and send her back to class, so she can stop whining about not going. do what you need to do to function day-to-day the next 4 mth. 

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Jackie does a lot of good, but that makes her think she is perfect and above reproach.  While watching the dinner scene I thought she was merely embarrassed at talking out of turn, was angry at herself, and took it out on Buffy.  But the beach scene the next morning changed all that and made her look 10x worse.  How dare someone question her values and make her apologize - ugh!

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On 11/18/2019 at 5:15 PM, TexasGal said:

I literally lol’d at Heavenly and Dr Damon dancing.  They were hilarious!

I agree with folks above, I hate the couples trip nonsense. 

Couples trips and all of the OVER EXTRA...constant straight up...or undertones of “couple’s therapy”
gets old...ITA

I live for “Buddy and Daddy” dancing like nobody is watching!!!!

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oh… And Texas gal?

I love the picture of the doggie on your apple tart

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Oh my goodness I see familiar Apple carts here

I can’t wait to see all your posts about married to medicine… I’m rolling my fingers in anticipation… It was a fun episode in my opinion

I’m hoping I can post this… Give her a world

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21 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I wonder if Jackie ever considered adoption? If she wanted to be a mother so badly she could have gone that route. Oh, that's right, her asshole husband said he didn't want any more kids. She could have divorced that creep and adopted on her own.  I can not understand why she ever agreed to stay in the marriage. Judging by how miserable she is this season it looks like she may have made a mistake by taking him back. I firmly believe he is the reason for the negative change in her. 

One thing to keep in mind, Curtis was a teacher and a coach. He was literally surrounded by kids every day, all day. In an environment like that its easy to become jaded and not want to experience parenthood. And I think he may have his own kids - pre-Jackie. Jackie on the other hand only ever wanted to be a mom. My guess is had they been able to have kids, Curtis would have grudgingly gone along with a pregnancy. But once they could not, he wasn't lifting a finger to do anything to advance Jackie's desire to be a mom. And let's be real, Dr. Jackie couldn't be Dr. Jackie unless there was someone at home to feed, bathe, clothe and care for her child because she was going to be too busy delivering babies and getting recognized as the best OB-GYN in ATL. So, this whole baby thing wasn't really a reality for Jackie without Curtis, who was never going to cooperate. 

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3 hours ago, Rlb8031 said:

And I think he may have his own kids - pre-Jackie.

He does. He has an adult daughter who has been on the show at least once. I think she's in her early 20s and Jackie said she's been in the daughter's life since the daughter was 7.

It seems to me that it just wasn't in the cards for Jackie to be a mother. I think she married Curtis in her later 30s. (Google tells me she's 56 and I think she's been married to Curtis for 17 or 18 years.) She had breast cancer twice, so that probably consumed much of her 40s. Hoda Kotb adopted in her 50s and just got engaged and there are men who will start over in their 50s or 60s, but I don't think it's unreasonable not to want to deal with infants and toddlers in your 60s. I bet if she were in her 30s NOW she'd pursue single motherhood via adoption/fostering or sperm bank, but I don't know how common that was 20 years ago. 

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Did I miss something? Why is Toya putting them in to debt again? It was painful watching Eugene working out of the city and being exhausted from picking up extra shifts.

I think it's unfair to say that TOYA is the one putting them in debt again when Eugene is clearly enjoying the good life too. Both of them want to stunt, so both of them should get the blame for the debt and the taxes.

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When you can’t have your own kids for whatever reason, it is extremely personal and painful. I miscarried at 40 and was told I couldn’t take a baby to term. Doctor said it would have been that way when I was 30 also. We could have gone with donor eggs because the house was fine but the residents were useless. Hubby and I went through a difficult period and eventually didn’t even try to adopt because we knew that would take a few years (I have had chronic health problems since I was 13). 
I only posted this to say that Jackie not being able to have a child had to have been really hard and their were other options available. I don’t know what was in her heart.

Choosing not have have kids (by adoption or otherwise) doesn’t always alleviate the ache in your heart for not having had them.

All that said, I am so disappointed and disgusted by Jackie, she’s in everyone’s business but her own. What she did to Buffie was horrible and she still doesn’t seem to understand what she did was wrong - she apologized but not for what she actually did, not everyone looks at their life as clinically as Jackie does hers.

Jackie thinks she’s all that, but she’s not. 

Sorry for my rant. My brother passed away unexpectedly two months ago and today the reality that is is actually gone sunk on.

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13 hours ago, drivethroo said:

I think it's unfair to say that TOYA is the one putting them in debt again when Eugene is clearly enjoying the good life too. Both of them want to stunt, so both of them should get the blame for the debt and the taxes.

Yeah, they seemed to be on the same page about the budget. They both seem like spendy types, which is interesting because I would guess their HHI is the lowest of the group's. The other doctors are in higher-paying specialties (I think Aydin is an ER doc like Eugene but isn't he director of something?) and many of the couples are dual-income-plus-show-income couples. I don't think any of the other couples live in $2M homes - and in Atlanta you don't need to spend that much to stunt since the COL is low. But whatever, it ain't my money.

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7 hours ago, sATL said:

To quote Phaedra Parks  ( and others) ... " Fix it Jesus"...

I don't think Contessa wants to be married anymore. Probably wants to ditch Scott and the kids and then she can feed her ego and do whatever she wants. She could have easily gone to school in Atlanta and then pursued her dream to become Surgeon General. Seems like she was trying to escape her family.

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"Revenge of the Sip and Paint"

The couples' trip to Cabo continues; Contessa and Scott clash; Jackie apologizes to Buffie; when the guys and the ladies have separate nights out, Quad gets a special girls night, and Damon winds up in the doghouse with Heavenly.

Airs December 1, 2019.

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1 hour ago, Empress1 said:

Heavenly is ... something. Lord. If Damon ever did cheat, it would be a Snapped episode. 

No kidding.  Her (over)reaction makes me wonder if there is some truth to Mariah's rumors about him cheating.

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47 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

No kidding.  Her (over)reaction makes me wonder if there is some truth to Mariah's rumors about him cheating.

I don't think Damon has cheated. I think Heavenly is extremely insecure and lashes out based on her perception of her own attractiveness / ability to compete with "bitches" who might want Damon. Also, I don't think it helps that even in her telling of the history of their relationship, she "trapped" him to make sure he married her. 

Did anyone else notice how production kept putting in shots of Mariah going to town on that hamburger even when no one else was eating? Also, was the drug test her only story line this season? 

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20 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

No kidding.  Her (over)reaction makes me wonder if there is some truth to Mariah's rumors about him cheating.

Sounds like the producers sent that raggedy stripper over to see if Mariah's receipts could be tested.

If everyone else got home at 2am, how come Damon got in around 2:30?

On 11/29/2019 at 9:01 AM, Pickles said:

I don't think Contessa wants to be married anymore. Probably wants to ditch Scott and the kids and then she can feed her ego and do whatever she wants.

Because Contessa is the one who is struggling the  most, she needs individual counseling to figure herself out before bringing Scott into counseling.

Contessa does not want to be tied down with being a wife and mother and is feeling guilty because she thinks she "should" settle down.  Scott probably thought she'd get it out of her system when the kids came and she didn't, and he doesn't want to be the primary caretaker of kids.  If Contessa keeled over and died today, Scott would be remarried within 2 years to give the kids a brand new mommy.

Scott & Contessa = Greg & Quad when the kids come

Contessa's desire to be Surgeon General is just a backdoor way to get back into the service, because in order to be Surgeon General you have to be a regular member of the Regular Corps of the US Public Health Service and  many times those individuals are dispatched all over the country and the world to respond to public health issues.  A lot of those Surgeon Generals are in their 50s and 60s so there's plenty of time for her to become SG later if she wants.

I think Contessa would be fine with being a wife and mom if Scott and the kids accommodated her desire to move around.  Remember, she argued Scott should've driven the kids to Nashville to see her and felt like Scott and the kids should've packed up and moved to Nashville to accommodate her.

However, it's not that kind of party.  Scott may not want his kids moving from place to place.  Contessa likely has no problem with kids moving from place to place because many military families move from place to place.

Providing this is real and not manufactured drama for the show, I don't see Scott & Contessa lasting too much longer.  They'll suppress their true desires and natures for the time being but at some point Contessa is going to explode and leave them all behind (and then whine that it's Scott's fault).

That's my main problem with Contessa: She doesn't own anything and everything is everyone's else fault. 

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