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On 4/27/2021 at 11:06 PM, TrininisaScorp said:

  As a South Asian woman who has been called "exotic" and "pretty" (you hear the quotes...trust me) by white men and women, I felt Gaby's words about what that means.  I also hear it for the underlined putdown that it kind of is. 

 

Really?  That is interesting and sad.  I have no idea what your experience is, but I thought that was a weird comment by her.  I would have thought Emily meant it sincerely.  Blue eyed blondes are a dime a dozen, so that would have never occurred to me that it was accurate.  Thanks for another perspective.

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Still catching up, on ep 6, but this season seems both more professionally done and more conventional and predictable. Totally saw EZ being attacked, though I expected a car from the side.

At first glance I liked the new opening, but after watching it I don’t get it. Are we saying all these fuck ups and poor decision makers and criminals are the result of institutionalized discriminaton? No. Just no. 
 
I don’t mind Gaby. It’s like watching a new Gemma in training. 

I still can’t stand Emily.

Late add: Also? It appears “I got you” is the new “I get that.” Kind of ironic that the clueless characters are constantly noting they “get” things.

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Holy fuck, this episode was insane!!!!!!!!! Miguel drugs Emily, drowns her, and brings her back!

What the fuck, Steve?? RIP!

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Seriously.  Right back to the darkness of the first episode of the season. 

Coco is out (has anyone even checked on their "brother"?!).  Steve is in, but then can't take it and kills himself (wow).  EZ is saying he's out (but he isn't). Adelita seems to be on a suicide mission. Miguel almost takes out Emily (that was shocking).  Alvarez is a a damn spot b/c of Nestor.  

I'm concerned that we may be at the end of Coco's road.  I hope not, but Torture Coco tv doesn't sound good to me at all.

Angel and Nails are engaged with the ring that he proposed to Adelita not a week before.  Certainly, this is going to end badly.  Poor, sweet Hank.

Palo at Laura's house was worrying.  Nothing good can come of this. 

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It’s crazy to say this, but the Steve suicide scene was as well-shot as anything I’ve seen on this show or it’s predecessor.

So now I have to root for the guy who killed John Denver just because Galindo is a 9,000% piece of garbage? Or maybe not because Adelita is going to finish that job…

Vaya con DIOS Chucky!

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The ex-governor, RIP, could have used a lot better security.  Glazed eyed kids wandering through the meeting room?  How did they even get in?  And they didn't secure the bathroom before her speech, either.  This is after open threats against her. 

Adelita deserves a horrible death for brainwashing those kids.

16 hours ago, ShortyMac said:

Miguel drugs Emily, drowns her, and brings her back!

I had to laugh at those strategically place rose petals when he pulled her out of the tub.

I'm kind of surprised that Bishop would call an ambulance for Steve.  Brotherhood and all, but a point blank gunshot to the head is a done deal, and the ambulance would call for the cops, and now you've got cops swarming all over the clubhouse.  A lot can go wrong there.  In real life, the patch ceremony may have been quite accurate.  I read a book by an undercover cop who infiltrated a SoCal chapter of the Mongols.  He started out as a prospect, of course, but details in the book how they had a big party and the President of the Mongols showed up and gave him his patches.  He also details his conflicted response as he was obviously ecstatic to become a full member of the club, but he's still a cop trying to bust them.

To paraphrase Goose from a long time ago, "Coco, you died because you were stupid."  Plan?  What's a plan?  I don't need no stinking plan.  Letty stands a way better chance on her own.

Well, Hank, it looks like just two plates for dinner next Thursday.

So, what's El Banquero's role in all this?  Is he looking to become the boss of all bosses in the heroin trade?

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Seriously, what the fuck Steve

Too soon? Holy shit that was a whirlwind of an episode, shit going down left and right. Coco is out of the club (has anyone given him a call?) Steve is in, but then Steve cant handle that he killed someone and killed himself, Angel and Nails are engaged using the ring he proposed to Adelita with, Gabby understandably heads for the hills but EZ wants to go with him, Adelita's creepy child army kills the governor, and, oh yeah, Miguel tries to murder Emily but changes his mind at the last minute and brings her back. No wonder this episode was so long. 

Poor Steve, this was really not the life for him. And poor Hank, he is about the nicest outlaw biker in the world, and he really likes Nails so much. I feel bad for her too, she really seems to be into Angel but she is just his rebound/baby mamma who he just saw as a friend with benefits and Adelita placeholder. 

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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Gabby understandably heads for the hills but EZ wants to go with him,

I know what you meant, but....Lodi?  The hills?  Disclaimer:   I live in the San Joaquin Valley.

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Hey Miguel, instead of just taking one person's word about your wife killing your precious mother and then assuming it was EZ (which it was), those tracks could have been there before your precious mother was there.  You and Nestor are not detectives and instead of trying to kill your wife in a 24 hour time span,  why don't you do a little more digging.

Damn Steve. I knew he was going to pull the gun and shoot himself. 

Coco, here I thought they were going to set him on fire.

I'm sorry but Nails is not attractive to me. I know she was a rebound and I know it isn't going to give Angel the happy little family he thinks it will.

Hank, I love you. You can come cuddle with me anytime. I'll love you long time.

I was wishing that Gaby had already left. EZ you made your choice last season. You knew what the club was about and you still went all in even after you weren't an informant any longer. 

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2 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I know what you meant, but....Lodi?  The hills?  Disclaimer:   I live in the San Joaquin Valley.

I think tennisgurl meant Gaby heads for the Valley and EZ wants to go with her.  But I knew what she meant too.

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Mayans finally has a wild ride!  No boring filler here.  So much to unpack.

Bish already told Gillly that if Coco wasn't at the next Templo he was out.  Why Gillly wasn't calling and checking on him in the meantime I don't know.  I don't like or want Coco torture porn either.  Now I am so sad for Coco's future, and his very life.

I thought Miguel was going to throw a plugged-in electronic device (radio, hairdryer) in the bathtub but instead he drugged Emily's wine.  Then I was expecting her to make a miraculous awakening and gasp for air.  Very good scene with surprise twists all around.  I was just getting used to Emily being dead and me being wrong about the show not getting rid of her!  Miguel never said anything about what he knows before he was going to kill his wife.  Does this mean Miguel really does love Emily?

I did not see Steve's suicide coming.  He just got fast tracked into the club but his demons got the best of him.  RIP Steve.

Poor Hank and his broken heart.  I don't see Nails and Angel lasting, and maybe not even the pregnancy.

Adelita can go off to hell now.  Hopefully the baby will resurface someday and Angel will find out he's not dead and he can get him.

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3 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I know what you meant, but....Lodi?  The hills?  Disclaimer:   I live in the San Joaquin Valley.

Yeah I meant it more in the figure out speech way, as in when something bad is happening people leave the danger as soon as possible, like Gabby leaving town and EZ now that things are getting violent. I wasn't referencing any hills in particular! I sadly do not know the geography of that area very well so I cant say if she is near any hills or valleys! I do kind of wonder about Gabby saying how she wants to avoid violence and crime though. She knows who EZ is and what his club does, the violence in his life cannot be that much of a shocker. EZ is generally pretty chill for an outlaw biker, but he IS still an outlaw biker. 

I really question the detective abilities and life choices of Miguel, he was just going to kill his wife based on the word of one or two guys? He never even brought up the whole mom murder thing to her before he tried to poison and drown her? Between this show and SoA there is a real theme of "mother in laws lower your life expectancy" going on. 

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1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Yeah I meant it more in the figure out speech way,

That's why I put the SJV note in there.  I live about 100 miles south of Lodi, and it's in the middle of the valley too.  It's just that I laughed at the figure of speech. 

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And if Meth Head Mnt dude doesn't stfu he is going to turn into Negan for me. Talking all this shit, just get to the point already mf.

And Nestor despite being Miguel's little snitch was looking good with his braids again. 

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3 hours ago, toodywoody said:

And if Meth Head Mnt dude doesn't stfu he is going to turn into Negan for me. Talking all this shit, just get to the point already mf.

And Nestor despite being Miguel's little snitch was looking good with his braids again. 

Yeah, Senior Methhead talks in nursery rhymes and that other dude at El Banquero's said he didn't come down for Sesame Street stories!  Ha!

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Ok if Manson Family Negan doesn't stfu I'm going to fast forward through his scenes. Does he just keep all his people high all the time then send them out like the Manson girls to get new people to get the drugs or what? Am I missing something here? Like I get it but does he pimp out the girls to get the guys to come with the drugs? I guess ai just don't get it.

Then Adelita, just hurry up and either die or go crawling back to Angel to fuck up his perfect family because your revenge didn't work out and leaving her cult of kids is fucked up. Her and Manson Family Negan need to get together since they like to fuck up people's lives. I don't understand how she thinks she is better when she kills and makes kids do her killing for her and then leaves them. At least Manson Family Negan sticks around for his people.

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On 5/6/2021 at 10:16 AM, toodywoody said:

Ok if Manson Family Negan doesn't stfu I'm going to fast forward through his scenes. Does he just keep all his people high all the time then send them out like the Manson girls to get new people to get the drugs or what? Am I missing something here? Like I get it but does he pimp out the girls to get the guys to come with the drugs? I guess ai just don't get it.

He is pretty annoying. I'm hoping someone can kill his ass. Maybe Letty goes to the club for help and they can go there to bust Coco out. My heart broke for poor Letty when she was begging Coco not to choose Hope over her.

Poor Hank! I just wanted to give him a hug.

I had a feeling Steve was going to do something like that.

I LOLed at EZ telling Angel to stop knocking people up.

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GREAT NEWS! MAYANS MC got renew for the fourth season next year. Next year will be up 14 episode, not 10 because it crazy pandemic scheduling.  So enjoy season finale on Tuesday Night at 10pm.

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This is excellent news!  While the tone varies and can sometimes be heavier than I would like, I have to say, I look forward to this show a great deal.  I'm personally loving the touch that Elgin James has put on the show with full control, and think these actors are fantastic.  This show is better, IMO, than it has any right to be. 

Let's see what the finale brings (already!), but my wishlist is:  More brother scenes (b/c Clayton Cardenas and JD Pardo shine).  Better pacing.  Better integration of storylines.  More even storylines (I'm over Adelita and Miguel/Emily).  A little less darkness and a little more fun.

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Yay for the renewal! 

I just got caught up on the last two episodes, and yikes it went dark. Poor Steve, that one hurt. And for his final words and presence to be right at EZ...have some extra PTSD, EZ. 

Caring less and less about Adelita and her child cult. 

Same with Emily. The last seasons she had a plot line, but she's barely left her rich prison so far this season. I am curious as to the next scenes between her and Galindo and what she remembers.

Poor Hank, with the loss of both Steve and Nails. He and his mom are so cute. "What's her name? Hammer? Wrench?" 

Oh EZ, you should have left the club and Santo Padre a long time ago. It's not happening now. I really liked Gaby these episodes...dropping some wisdom on EZ. I can understand her clinging to the good things in life with what she's been through. She needs to run fast and far though.

I can barely watch the Coco scenes. What a tragic story. 

I love the show but mixing a little more lightness in here and there would balance it a bit. Maybe next season when they have a few more episodes to play with. I can't believe it's the finale already!

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2 hours ago, CrazyDog said:

Yay for the renewal! 

I just got caught up on the last two episodes, and yikes it went dark. Poor Steve, that one hurt. And for his final words and presence to be right at EZ...have some extra PTSD, EZ. 

Caring less and less about Adelita and her child cult. 

Same with Emily. The last seasons she had a plot line, but she's barely left her rich prison so far this season. I am curious as to the next scenes between her and Galindo and what she remembers.

Poor Hank, with the loss of both Steve and Nails. He and his mom are so cute. "What's her name? Hammer? Wrench?" 

Oh EZ, you should have left the club and Santo Padre a long time ago. It's not happening now. I really liked Gaby these episodes...dropping some wisdom on EZ. I can understand her clinging to the good things in life with what she's been through. She needs to run fast and far though.

I can barely watch the Coco scenes. What a tragic story. 

I love the show but mixing a little more lightness in here and there would balance it a bit. Maybe next season when they have a few more episodes to play with. I can't believe it's the finale already!

Yeah, we need Coco back in action, saying "My bad."  😀

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Poor Hank.

I'm sorry the upcoming ep is the finale, I will miss it til S4. But some things did not click for me this week. Steve was doing his best Full Metal Jacket impersonation. I understand these guys aren't gonna engage in a heart-to-heart but Steve's unravelling was too obvious to miss. And Danny Pino did a great job with that scene on the bed, realizing he didn't want to kill his wife. But a calm OD/drowning seemed way out of character. He's always demanded confrontation, answers and punishment - even if he wanted to make Emily's death plausible it wasn't what Miquel would do. 

I'll try to keep my Gaby-related complaint brief: I have a real issue believing the lead character is so captivated by Mary Sue. She's super-wise and has been through hell but is shocked! by the fact her boyfriend who is part of a murderous MC couldn't control himself in an ice cream parlor? The scenes are terribly written and it completely takes me out of the show when they're together. 

spoilered for guesses that I have no actual knowledge about:

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At some point during the last episode I had a feeling they were setting up Gaby to be the Mayans' Donna. No offense to the actress and I don't really like rooting for a character's death (unless it's Meth Manson) but I don't want them to give the character that much importance. I really need to get over how much I hate this storyline.

I really wish I knew where the show was going with Coco and Adelita. 

I am glad they're bringing up Marcus' SOA history. It doesn't really fit with the character we see now but Emilio Rivera can sell it, so I'm hoping he's still around for S4.

Because it can't be said enough? POOR HANK.

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What the fuck?

So Ibarra and his ridiculous mustache are dead, the rest of the Mayans are gunning for Bishop and Santo Padre, Galindo doesn't take the basic step of putting the wine glass in the sink and rinsing it out before Emily wakes up (if nothing else, you'd want to get a delicate wine glass away from where you might step on it), and EZ is out of the MC, then back in, then in the crosshairs of rampaging mob.

Alvarez and what's-his-face are either heading back to the MC or becoming independent guns for hire or something.

Potter may or may not be dead. One or more members of his family may or may not be dead (but at least one probably is).

Meth Manson may or may not be dead.

Manson Family 2.0 is gunning for Coco. Unless they aren't.

Taza's dead. Or maybe he isn't. Or maybe Bishop ate his gun. Or he shot it into the ceiling. Whatevs.

Felipe scatters his wife's ashes in Mexico for...some reason.

Thanks a lot for settling absolutely nothing, show. Cliffhangers can be effective when done properly, but you don't need to make literally every storyline into one. A season finale (especially one that might have been a series finale had FX not renewed the show) should wrap up at least some of the storylines, no?

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This was clearly a place holder season because of the pandemic because nothing was permanently settled. Frustratingly so.

Well, I hope Meth Manson is a goner with his blood spurting out of his neck like that.

For once I had an ounce of respect for Emily with deciding on the spot not to dump her problems on EZ when she realized he was leaving with Gaby.  And then actually leaving Galindo.  Galindo is all alone for now. He of course deserves so much worse.

If there was ever much doubt I think this season solidified that EZ is never going to leave this show alive.

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9 hours ago, magdalene said:

For once I had an ounce of respect for Emily with deciding on the spot not to dump her problems on EZ when she realized he was leaving with Gaby.  And then actually leaving Galindo.  Galindo is all alone for now. He of course deserves so much worse.

If there was ever much doubt I think this season solidified that EZ is never going this show alive.

YES!!  Not a big Emily fan, but when shit hits the fan, she's no shrinking violet.  EZ is a goner.  That was probably decided before the show even aired :(  There will be no happy endings here.

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Potter is alive and well and speaking his terrible American-accented Spanish, alive for now, anyway.  If Adelita has any sense, she'll realize her baby really is alive and want to, demand to get him back.  Before she goes all brutal on Potter or his family, if they're still both alive to begin with.

As a non-Emily fan, I say:  Yay!  You go, girl!  I like how she realized that EZ should go with his girlfriend and didn't tell what happened with Miguel trying to kill her, and left.

Miguel is out in the cold now!

I'm glad Felipe is still alive and that his little talk with Gaby talked sense into her.  Bye Mary Sue!  Good luck in Lodi Nursing School.

I don't think EZ staying with the Mayans after all means he'll get killed off next season.

Remember, we all thought Coco was a goner and couldn't come back from the brink.  Meth Manson is dead, I hope, with Hope gone from his Spahn Ranch setup.  Yay Gilly!

Every loose end was left loose.  I can't wait for next season!

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Yes, Meth Manson is hopefully dead.

And Coco isn't dead. And thank goodness Letty came and screamed some sense into Gilly.

Good for Emily for growing some balls.

Good for the nurse getting the fuck out.

Taza Dead? The other Mayans about to break in? Nestor and Alvarez just chilling? Potter family? Adelita not killing Potter? 

Season 5 needs to hurry up. Just like Yellowstone too many fucking questions need answered 

I already know Adelita will show up with kid right when Nails and Angel will be at the alter. So come on bring it.

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12 hours ago, magdalene said:

This was clearly a place holder season because of the pandemic because nothing was permanently settled. Frustratingly so.

Well, I hope Meth Manson is a goner with his blood spurting out of his neck like that.

For once I had an ounce of respect for Emily with deciding on the spot not to dump her problems on EZ when she realized he was leaving with Gaby.  And then actually leaving Galindo.  Galindo is all alone for now. He of course deserves so much worse.

While I found many of the episodes pretty compelling to watch this season (including the finale) I was pretty disappointed with how they ending things last night. And some things did feel tacked-on due to the pandemic, like Potter's reappearance. So Adelita took them at her word that her baby was dead? OK. 

As problematic as Emily is her character works when she's somewhat in the mix with EZ. I liked Sarah Bolger a lot in that scene. 

I have to make an eye appointment bc I didn't even realize it was Canche who shot Beard Braids. 

All my S3 guesses have been wrong but that won't stop me from making my first S4 prediction: pregnant Gaby.

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I feel some shades of Jax Teller with where EZ is now. I don't see him finishing the series alive. This idea that he is full of something dangerous like his father will be his Shakespearean fate, IMO. One of my favorite TV characters of all time is Dean Winchester, and as a fan, I always knew his end had to be in the midst of action bc even if he was more (and he was), he was committed to this thing. EZ feels similar.

That said, even though he was a prick about it, Pops wasn't wrong. Gaby is certainly safer far away from EZ. Girl, bye. Go be safer and sane in Lodi. 

I loved the conversation between the brothers on the stairs. For all his gruff and poor coping, I have always contended that Angel's heart was good. I really enjoyed their discussion. Those actors bring out the best in each other. 

So glad Gilly went all Rambo and got Coco out. Annoyed that he brought Hope with them. Whatever, Martha. 

I actually really appreciated Emily this episode! Her convo with EZ felt like a proper end to their weird relationship, and I'm glad she left Galindo. Be alone, you bitch ass motherfucker. 

I know Taza fucked up from killing Riz onwards, but I just want to support his bravery in coming out to Bish even though that isn't part of their motorcycle culture. I hope Taza isn't shot and that they find a way past this. The actor who plays Taza is fab. 

Tacking on the FBI dude and Adelita believing him and all of that felt unnecessary. I am good with never seeing Adelita again even though the actress is good. 

Good to see Alvarez taking a stand. Nestor, get your shit together. Mikey left you to run. 

At the end, EZ vs a ton of angry bikers and no one else coming made no sense to me. It felt really indicative of a weird season they had go work around the Rona. Hopefully, 4 gets us something a bit more cohesive. That said, I wasn't mad about this season. 

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Taza is my favorite, so, I hope he’s not dead. I’ll be bummed. 

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2 hours ago, ShortyMac said:

Taza is my favorite, so, I hope he’s not dead. I’ll be bummed. 

Coco and Taza are my favorites.  I read somewhere (here? Reddit?) that Bishop would have had to have a vote on killing Taza; you don't just kill a patched-in brother member of your M.C. on your own.  Violation of the laws or rules have to be dealt with via trial, or in the case of M.C.'s, at the table, templo, church, whatever they call it.  I'm hoping it's a fake out gunshot we heard because I like both Taza and Bishop.

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Happy to hear about the renewal, especially with this season basically ending on about thirty different cliffhangers. So much going down in just one episode, so much set up for next season. I hope that this really is the end of Meth Manson and the rest of Meth Mountain, I am so not going to miss them and their terrible jamboree sessions. This season in general was very subplot heavy, with tons of characters in totally different plots hardly interacting with each other, so next season I am hoping to keep more of a consistent major story, but I still really liked the season and I am happy we are getting more. I really like this show, the atmosphere is great as is the acting, and I enjoy the bits of humor they slip in to break up the dark stories. 

It sucks for EZ that Gabby left, but I'm glad for her. She just needs to cut herself off from that life if that isn't what she wants. I can see why he's not thrilled with his dad, and obviously he wasn't really going to go off with her, he probably needs to be around the club if he's the main character, but ouch. It did lead to some nice stuff between him and Angel, even though I don't think things will be as storybook with him, Nails, and their baby as he wants it to be. He's still hung up on Adelita obviously. 

I am glad that Emily left. I don't much care for her, but Miguel has totally lost it and she and her kid should not be anywhere near him. I can also respect the drama of sending him her wedding rings and the leftover murder pills. 

Taza has really fucked things up, but I am impressed that he came clean about everything. 

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100% Taza is not dead for the sole reason that on a show like this unless you actually see a character die on screen, and see their dead body, they are never dead. It is always misdirection.

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Adelita and the bloody knife is probably misdirection too.  Remember the girlfriend/wife was seen cutting up a big chunk of raw meat.  Adelita wants Potter to think the worst. And that rat bastard deserves to believe the worst.

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Adelita was all bloody when she confronted FBI lady at the restaurant so I didn’t necessarily think she did anything to Potters family. Plus, not that her word counts for anything, but she did tell him she wouldn’t leave a child fatherless. I still don’t know why she and even the FBI lady thought the baby was dead. We saw him at the end of last season. Likely he is in foster care or somewhere Potter can keep track of him. Unfortunately this is probably a case where he is better off without his bio parents in his life. Adelita can miss me with all her outrage. She’s a killer herself, and trains children to kill. Angel, I really like him and he has a good heart. He’s definitely the more sensitive brother, but his life isn’t exactly conducive for children. I like Nails and that Angel is trying to make a go of it with her, but it’s probably doomed as well. 

Thank God someone finally got through to Gabi. She didn’t go through hell trying to get back to her family (I guess they crossed the border before her for some reason?) only to get sucked into a criminal gang. I only wish she would take Letty with her. 

I’m glad Nestor decided to side with Alvarez. Were he and Miguel childhood friends?  He said Miguel was his family. That’s gotta be a tough thing to let go of. I’m glad Miguel ended up alone in the end. That was pretty awesome of Emily leaving her wedding rings and a handful of pills. I hope he chokes on them. 

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This definitely felt more like a mid-season finale, than the actual season finale, but still a good episode.

I like Gabby, and am glad she left, but since we saw her in the car tearing up, I don't think we've seen the last of her. She needs to stay far, far away, and be the anti-Tara. 

I am really liking the take of this series, with the brother with the potentially brighter future, being the one who is now fitting the easiest into the Mayans life. It's tragic, but interesting. EZ and his smarts, had he not made that one fateful decision, could have left Santo Padre and had a life with potential. But now he's the brother who's able to kill, and is apparently the most like Felipe, while Angel has the emotion and heart of their mother (though he can kill as well, if needed). 

His story won't end well, or he'll end up full on running the club by the end of the series, his life completely enmeshed with the Mayans.

I really dislike Adelita at this point, mainly because of her cult of children, but she has been so traumatized, both as a child, and by Potter. I felt for her with Potter at the end, but I really hope his family is OK. We don't know his wife / gf, but the child certainly doesn't deserve to pay for Potter's actions. As menacing as Potter is, I find the actor entertaining to watch. 

I hated Taza for killing Riz, but I love the backstory they've given him. The scene with Bishop...wow.

Thank you Gilly, for rambo-ing your way through Meth Mountain and saving Coco. I really am curious as to what Coco will do next year. His bridges are burned.

Seeing Alvarez turn on Galindo was incredibly satisfying. His scenes with his wife were also touching, and he at least possesses some self-awareness of what he's done in his life.

Can't wait for a longer season next year!

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