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The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin'

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11 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

If I didn't know any better I would think that you are talking about Boytrons music teacher.

Well, if you live close to Montreal...

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7 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Well, if you live close to Montreal...

No Colorado 

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On 7/4/2019 at 11:42 PM, Portia said:

I've been really surprised to see both Lauren and Jill use the hashtag #angelbabies in response to Joy's tragic stillbirth. To me that term conjures the image of a child who has died and become an angel, and that concept is most decidedly counter to Evangelical theology. Angels in scripture are created beings, not dead people. I'm guessing "angel baby" is a popular term among parents who've lost a young child, and of course it is completely harmless and may provide comfort for those in that awful situation...but as narrow and uptight as the Duggars are about their faith and lifestyle, it surprises me that they'd use language that perpetuates what they probably consider an unbiblical teaching. 

I presume they mean their child is in heaven not an actual angel, who knows. 

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I'd guess it's another situation of cherry picking. #angelbaby might go against their theological positions but it's trendy and more catchy than #unbornsoulinheaven or #clumpofcellsthatdidntstick

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Hey Duggar family today is your favorite free food holiday Dress like a cow and get free food. Now hurry up which I know is impossible on Duggar time, get dressed up in your favorite cow attire and get to your local  Chick-fil-A trough.

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On 6/26/2019 at 10:54 PM, Zella said:

One of the fundie families I know that I talk about on here--when the mother found out I worked at a library, she got right up in my face with this crazed look in her eyes and informed me she didn't like her kids going into libraries because you had no idea what other people were up to!

She was furious about everyone's activity not being policed. I backed out of that conversation as fast as possible because she was super unhinged, but I found it hypocritical and weirdly hilarious coming from someone who was always whining about people's personal rights being infringed and controlled by the government. Guess it only counts when they're people she agrees with. 

Is it possible she had one of those experiences where the kids went in, and some library patron(s) were watching porn on the library computers?  

(Former library assistant here)

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On 7/14/2019 at 8:48 AM, queenanne said:

Is it possible she had one of those experiences where the kids went in, and some library patron(s) were watching porn on the library computers?  

(Former library assistant here)

Yes, libraries are wonderful, but like any public space there is a chance of running into unsavory characters who are doing socially inappropriate or illegal things (public masturbation, watching porn, drug use etc). I also know many homeless persons use the library bathrooms (especially if they are single stall) to wash up and stay clean- which I understand and don’t blame them, but that’s not the intended purpose of the library restroom. 

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On ‎7‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 9:48 AM, queenanne said:

Is it possible she had one of those experiences where the kids went in, and some library patron(s) were watching porn on the library computers?  

(Former library assistant here)

I think it is possible that the kids went to the library and she discovered that books like Heather has 2 Mommies, Harry Potter and the Wizard of Oz were on the shelves in the children's section and she was livid when the librarian refused to remove them.

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Since this is all referring to an anecdote I posted a few weeks ago: this lady was offended by anything that disagreed with her. I know from working at a library that patrons viewing porn is an issue and is something that is actually a violation of library policies just about anywhere, but she never mentioned that.  Her objections had nothing to do with what a reasonable person or parent would object to.

She just basically hated the idea that her kids could roam around and see books she disapproved of or videos she disliked, and that if she complained about books she considered "bad," nobody would agree with her. Like, completely inoffensive books, movies, and Youtube videos to her were the work of satan. Someone's watching a mainstream music video that features dancing she doesn't like (with headphones on, so she's not even hearing the words)? That's what she was objecting to.

I think that's one of the hallmarks of fundamentalists. They can't just disagree with something. They can't even interact with it on a healthy level whatsoever. There's a brew of arrogance, fear, and control freakishness about their surroundings that is a truly toxic mix. They live in a self-imposed vacuum where only the likeminded are allowed in. 

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It's completely antithetical to everything a library stands for, so it is perhaps no surprise that they're not library supporters.

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10 hours ago, Zella said:

Since this is all referring to an anecdote I posted a few weeks ago: this lady was offended by anything that disagreed with her. I know from working at a library that patrons viewing porn is an issue and is something that is actually a violation of library policies just about anywhere, but she never mentioned that.  Her objections had nothing to do with what a reasonable person or parent would object to.

She just basically hated the idea that her kids could roam around and see books she disapproved of or videos she disliked, and that if she complained about books she considered "bad," nobody would agree with her. Like, completely inoffensive books, movies, and Youtube videos to her were the work of satan. Someone's watching a mainstream music video that features dancing she doesn't like (with headphones on, so she's not even hearing the words)? That's what she was objecting to.

I think that's one of the hallmarks of fundamentalists. They can't just disagree with something. They can't even interact with it on a healthy level whatsoever. There's a brew of arrogance, fear, and control freakishness about their surroundings that is a truly toxic mix. They live in a self-imposed vacuum where only the likeminded are allowed in. 

I thought public libraries were forbidden from blocking (legal) porn on constitutional grounds. 

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9 minutes ago, kokapetl said:

I thought public libraries were forbidden from blocking (legal) porn on constitutional grounds. 

My understanding is it may technically be legal, but the library can still consider it a violation of their usage policy. My library hands out a 1 year suspension if you're caught viewing porn on our computers.

Will clarify that other libraries may be more lenient on the issue than I had understood, but it is not permitted by any library I know in our area.

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6 hours ago, kokapetl said:

I thought public libraries were forbidden from blocking (legal) porn on constitutional grounds. 

In theory yes, but the American government passed a law called CIPA--Children's Internet Protection Act--that requires libraries to have internet filters on our computers in order to qualify for discounted internet.  Some libraries do decline that specific discount and do not have filters.  These are usually located in larger cities where there are more internet providers and the libraries can negotiate their rate.  For many of us, we live in semi-rural to rural areas with only one or two providers.  That discount is a lifesaver and allows us more money for our other expenses.  

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I know some people who are  suspicious about and hostile to the idea of their kids being exposed to *anything* they don't personally endorse, just as described above. It makes me sad and a little mad. I really wonder if they think that just by controlling their kids' lives to the nth degree, they are protecting them from evil. Or they're so fear-driven they convince themselves that's the case? I still remember reading interviews in which Boob and Michelle rattled on about how they were keeping their kids from being exposed to music with a backbeat that would be bad for them, etc. 

I don't know what's worse: that they never set foot into a public library, or that they go in and pitch a hissy fit when they see anything they don't approve of. Sigh.

About porn: I used to volunteer at our public library's central branch in the technology center - where there are 120+ computers set up available for library patrons to use (for up to 2 hours per day each). The PCs are set up at several round tables out in the middle of a large area, with the staff desk in the center. Obviously we didn't monitor all usage all the time but if we saw - or got a complaint about - a patron viewing porn, we alerted the staff and they took care of it. It happened occasionally. The library's policy is no porn on its public computers (the policy sez there's a limited number of computers where "adult" content can be viewed but I know they aren't out in the general open area). 

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3 hours ago, Jeeves said:

I know some people who are  suspicious about and hostile to the idea of their kids being exposed to *anything* they don't personally endorse, just as described above. It makes me sad and a little mad. I really wonder if they think that just by controlling their kids' lives to the nth degree, they are protecting them from evil. Or they're so fear-driven they convince themselves that's the case? I still remember reading interviews in which Boob and Michelle rattled on about how they were keeping their kids from being exposed to music with a backbeat that would be bad for them, etc. 

I don't know what's worse: that they never set foot into a public library, or that they go in and pitch a hissy fit when they see anything they don't approve of. Sigh.

About porn: I used to volunteer at our public library's central branch in the technology center - where there are 120+ computers set up available for library patrons to use (for up to 2 hours per day each). The PCs are set up at several round tables out in the middle of a large area, with the staff desk in the center. Obviously we didn't monitor all usage all the time but if we saw - or got a complaint about - a patron viewing porn, we alerted the staff and they took care of it. It happened occasionally. The library's policy is no porn on its public computers (the policy sez there's a limited number of computers where "adult" content can be viewed but I know they aren't out in the general open area). 

This sounds like the main Denver library setup.

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