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19 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

This is the perfect show to discuss the concept of “born vs bred” when it comes to Vanya.  Was she just born bad?   Or with a caring father and siblings that treated her as an equal would she have grown out of whatever darker impulses she had.   All children are selfish brats.  Some more then others.    Compassion is actually a learned skill.   If you are denied it how are you ever supposed to learn it?   It might be interesting if all the other kids remember what Vanya did and some want to destroy her before she grows into her power while others want to try and save her.   Plus as Pogo who genuinely loved her and a father who feared her it makes an interesting study.   

My problem with Vanya was that she was just so bland. Even though it was supposed to be that way I just felt like they could've just added a bit more personality to the character and be done with it. 


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What her adopted father did wasn't okay but I can understand why he would do that. Vanya ended up killing a lot of her caretakers before Mother came but what Hargrave should've done was to steer her into a better person. I think what happened to Vanya was a mixed of born (born with superpowers that were hard to control. Mixed that with strong emotions = disaster) and breed. The way she grew up caused her to seek out someone that would give her attention (that she did need. She didn't needed to be treated like she didn't exist) and also nurture her natural abilities instead of suppressing them and I don't know if its being in lockdown for about a month or so but I think Vanya and Elsa from Frozen has a similar path. But one was able to find a way to better used her powers. 

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On 2/17/2019 at 7:39 PM, Garden Wafers said:

e.g. telling someone that they love her, using it to advance her career

I swear S2 is going to reveal that she used it on Luthor. I don't really buy this true love/eternal devotion story. Especially since it's seems so one sided. Luther remained Celibate until his 30s while Allison left, got married, had a child and, then gets jealous because Luther finally got laid?!

This show is way too dark and fucked up not to explore that.

I loved the Vanya storyline and can easily believe how she would cling to and, be manipulated by Leonard.  The show highlighted how fucked up her family treated her. Yes, it, was ultimately the dad that set the example but, they all treated Vanya like she was less/unimportant by themselves. 

I agree this show/comic is basically what if Professor X was a dick to his students. They're all effed up in their own way. 

I am happy to say, that I don't hate a single character on this show. Usually there are characters i love and others (that I'm supposed to love) that I find annoying or hate but, I enjoyed all of them.

I think Klaus and Five were the standouts. They did a wonderful job casting 5 because that's a tough role. He was to play and old man trapped in a 13 year old body. Most kid actors would come off as just whiny/bitchy/snotty but, he manages to pull it off wonderfully.

So glad I finally got around to watching S1. Can't wait for S2

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All this speculation about the significance of their numbers. 
I just presumed that they were numbered in the order in which Hargreaves located/adopted them. So he found Luthor first and Vanya last. 

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On 6/28/2020 at 2:11 PM, Ceindreadh said:

All this speculation about the significance of their numbers. 
I just presumed that they were numbered in the order in which Hargreaves located/adopted them. So he found Luthor first and Vanya last. 

This is the way I figured they got their numbers.

 

In anticipation of season 2 my family started a rewatch of season 1 tonight. I still adore Klaus and love Five and Ben. And I'd forgotten just good the music is. Can't wait to see what songs are in season 2

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One thing I thought was interesting is that when Klaus and Diego go to the VFW, they're kicked out because they're too young to have been in any big war. So in this universe Vietnam happened, but Iraq/Aghanistan did not, and there aren't any young American veterans. I found that pretty interesting because in our timeline/universe there's always a war for each new generation. Millennials had the War on Terror, Gen Xers had the Persian Gulf, Baby Boomers had Vietnam, Silent Gens had Korea, World War II for the GI generation, World War I for The Lost Generation, so on and so forth. I wonder if the Umbrella Academy played into a reason why the War on Terror didn't happen there.

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Excited to see that Season 2 is coming July 31, and I'll probably try to rewatch Season 1 first since I've forgotten a lot. This Season 1 recap is helpful for those who don't have time to rewatch: https://www.tvguide.com/news/umbrella-academy-season-1-recap/

This explanation of the ending (which doesn't really explain everything but has some speculation) is interesting: https://www.looper.com/148579/the-umbrella-academy-season-1-ending-explained/ 

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2 hours ago, MisterGlass said:

I was thinking the other day that the most unexpectedly relevant scene (and my favorite) of the first season is everyone dancing alone together.

I just rewatched that episode and found it more moving and sad than the first time I saw it, when I was more focused on enjoying the music and the way it got people dancing.

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Just rewatched the "Mom" episode (I don't know the actual title, but it's the one where the siblings have to decide what to do about her). Although I enjoy the comic book and sci-fi elements of the series, this episode made the story more believable because of the focus on the family dynamics. The flashbacks to how Mom interacted with the children showed how important she was in their lives, and especially for Diego. I had to wipe away a few tears in Diego's final scene with her.  

 

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Just finished the first season. Looking forward to the second. 

Vanya and Allison were my favourite characters. The guys (maybe not Ben, who was barely onscreen), I could do without. Klaus and Five, in particular, are the type of characters that I generally have no use for, and are the reason I tend to avoid those ironic, ultra violent type of movies. 

I like Vanya as a character because she was so depressed and morose. You just don't see it that often, and have it played over episodes for such a prolonged time. I don't mind the lack of humour in that character. I am over snarky characters. 

The death I'm saddest about is Patch. Interestingly, that death is the one glossed over most (a reason I could never forigve Cha Cha or Hazel). Maybe due to the time travel aspect of it, but I found his relationship with the war vet not at all interesting. 

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Just discovered this show! If Number 5 didn’t reset the day, would the apocalypse have happened? Vanya discovered that Leonard had the book, that her father was responsible for everything, and she probably would have gone to her siblings for help....and the events wouldn’t have happened that caused the apocalypse. We saw apocalypse scenario #2. The apocalypse that Number 5 saw was different. Wonder what the chain of events was that made that happen? On to season 2!

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On 8/18/2020 at 9:27 PM, chitowngirl said:

Just discovered this show! If Number 5 didn’t reset the day, would the apocalypse have happened? Vanya discovered that Leonard had the book, that her father was responsible for everything, and she probably would have gone to her siblings for help....and the events wouldn’t have happened that caused the apocalypse. We saw apocalypse scenario #2. The apocalypse that Number 5 saw was different. Wonder what the chain of events was that made that happen? On to season 2!

now there's an interesting question that I bet has been answered in fanfiction *fighting the urge to go look and fall down a rabbit hole I can't find my way back out of*

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Just finished season one. Well that wasn’t really an ending at all! 😡 The whole thing felt like a story that stopped in the middle. It kind of put me off wanting to watch the second season, since they may just do the same thing and not answer questions/leave the main plot unresolved.

Luther’s an idiot, Vanya’s turn into Destroyer of The World could have been prevented multiple times if he had just listened to Allison.

Why did Cha Cha turn into such a nasty bitch towards Hazel & Agnes? Were we supposed to think she was in love with him and was jealous?

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Rewatching because I'm obsessed 😂

I didn't notice the first time watching that when Five returns he makes a peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich, which is what Vanya used to leave out for him when she hoped he would come home. 

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