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11 minutes ago, Bastet said:

The thread itself is spoiler tagged, which means no tags in the posts within it -- here be spoilers, so enter at your own risk.

If you want another thread for non-spoiler speculation only, I guess you can just create one, and then the mods will remove it if they don't think there should be two, but it's probably better to PM a mod and ask first.

Fair enough; I'll just avoid it, or read at my own risk.   Unless anyone else is interested enough to start a new spoiler-free speculation thread.

I'm interested in hearing about non-spoiler episode-taping info, but not a big deal

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6 hours ago, Bastet said:

It's the spoiler thread.  Please share.

Ok-  please skip this post if you don’t want spoilers.   

By the second episode, Becky has had the baby.   It’s a girl and she is a preemie.   I’m assuming it’s addressed that Harris was a preemie in the first episode?  Unless that was re-written.  It’s not addressed at all here.   Also the warm-up guy said the baby is named “Bev Rose”.  The entire audience “awwwww”d at that.  I’m not sure if it’s Beverly Rose or literally just Bev Rose.  We hear DJ calling the baby “Bev” at the start of the ep.  Becky is having a terrible time-  she feels like an awful mother, she isn’t sleeping, she can’t pump any breastmilk (until she does, then promptly spills it)-  Lecy does an EXCELLENT job in this ep.   I was in tears.  I also don’t know if Bev (older Bev) is still around or not.   Dan does some great parenting with her.  John Goodman is a legend.  

Mark has had his first kiss with a classmate.  They get in trouble for pda and have a meeting with the principal (who is played by the same actress who played Mark’s teacher last year).  The other boy’s grandma is basically a homophobic bully and her grandson denies everything.  Mark is very hurt and in another emotional scene we see him taking his nail polish off and wishing he wasn’t gay.  Darlene and David do some great parenting with him (lots of great parenting in this ep!)

Which brings me to the love triangle-  yup it’s there, we all predicted it.  So I’m a bit confused bc the warm up guy said that Johnny wasn’t at last weeks taping, but I’m guessing he had filmed some scenes beforehand that they had shown to the audience, otherwise this would have come out of nowhere.   At any rate I almost pulled my sisters arm off when I saw Johnny put an altoid in his mouth bc it’s obvious why he would do that haha.  Apparently he had Darlene have been sneaking around and sleeping together, and only Jackie knows about it.  Ben doesn’t know Darlene is also with a David and David doesn’t know that she is also still with Ben, and everyone else still thinks she is just with Ben.  Ben notices her being really anxious and recommends she gets therapy.  Jackie advises her to just pick Ben, but Darlene is torn.

Since things seem to be going so well from David’s POV (getting along, great sex, great co-parenting), he wants to tell everyone that he and Darlene are back together.  In order to prevent him from doing this, she pulls out the first thing that comes to her head, which is what Ben told her (and this is the thread that got pulled from last season bc Blue mentions it too)-  she tells him first he needs therapy.   He agrees but says she needs to go too.  And Jackie is like what is wrong with you, the therapist is going to be able to tell you are seeing 2 guys, Darlene is like #crap.  Lol   

So my guess is we will definitely have a therapy ep or two in the near future.   Which is actually good bc if they are going to make it work, they need therapy.  I’m still leaning towards David and Darlene ending up together in the end, but you know they will take their sweet time in getting there.  

And Jackie?  Was SO FUNNY this entire episode.   As usual.   Laurie Metcalf is so freakin fantastic.  At one point Sara just cracked up so hard bc of her.   I love this cast so much!

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Thanks for the details.  Ben can't go away fast enough for me, and I don't want Darlene with David, either, but have to accept it's all but inevitable since Sara sees that relationship quite differently than I do, so as long as there continue to be great moments of character interaction like there were last season and nothing straight-up offensive to her or women in general, I'll roll with it in order to enjoy the family dynamic.

I don't give a shit about Becky's baby storyline on the surface, either, but her relationship with Dan has been one of the highlights of this series, so that it yields more of that will likely be its saving grace.

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We group spoilers and speculation because it can be hard to untangle them (and the best speculation comes from the tiniest of spoilers, IMO) but if the group wants an unspoiled speculation thread, I personally have no objections. 

Oops... we already have one.

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On 8/20/2019 at 5:46 AM, bobalina said:

This could be a really good way to have John Goodman out of some episodes. Dan wanted to be a musician and this could be a second chance for him.

If Katey Sagal does come back (my heart!!) then maybe she and Dan can sing something together. I will die, but that would be awesome. A number by The Two Tops or One Dog Night or something.

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So the opening episode is Becky giving birth. I'm curious about the rest of the title though. Well, the weed and infidelity parts. 

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The recently leaked title of the episode — “Preemies, Weed and Infidelity” — hinted at complications for the new arrival. And showrunner Bruce Helford is now confirming it.

https://tvline.com/2019/09/04/the-conners-season-2-episode-1-becky-gives-birth/

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11 hours ago, BeachDays said:

Infidelity I’m guessing is Darlene between Ben and David, and weed... Harris perhaps?

Or maybe Mark, just because he is so stressed and bullied.

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4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Or maybe Mark, just because he is so stressed and bullied.

I didn’t even think about Mark 😱

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The weed might be interesting if it was Dan or maybe Jackie. Illinois has medical marijuana. 

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They'll have to work hard to not undo, let alone top, "A Stash From the Past".

Among many other things, I love how the backdrop to that, and another episode, was that Darlene had (off-screen in the past) tried a few drugs as many people her age do, decided none of them were for her, and moved on; so much more refreshing than the Very Special Episode trope where experimentation is always a crisis.

So if they're going to go the teen drug use route this time, it had better be appropriately nuanced.  The handling of Harris having sex was in line with the original years, so hopefully this will be too.

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3 hours ago, Bastet said:

So if they're going to go the teen drug use route this time, it had better be appropriately nuanced.  The handling of Harris having sex was in line with the original years, so hopefully this will be too.

Yeah, I'm honestly not in the mood for a "weed is baaaaaddd" episode given that most states are at least legalizing medical marijuana so I hope it isn't that.

It's gotta be weird for the writers/cast that they're dealing with almost a full modern t.v. season after a first season of 8 episodes and a second season of 11 episodes. I think Dan will probably be absent in a few episodes given how in-demand John Goodman is. (Seriously, peep his IMDB page. Dude works a lot.)

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Emma Kenny celebrated her birthday on set on a live taping day. Katy Segal, the guy who plays Darlene’s boyfriend, Johnny Galecki, and James Pickens Jr were all in the background of the photos. So from the looks of it they will all be in the episode they just filmed. 

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Katey has a great voice. I tried to find her 1st LP way back when. She's had some since but I heard the first one back when she was Peg. It would be cool if she had a musical moment with Dan. I loved scenes from a BBQ.  

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Here are the synopsis for episodes 2x03: The Preemie Monologues  & 2x04: Landford....Landford.

2x03: The Preemie Monologues 

Harris is forced to confront Darlene about her lifestyle, while Jackie involves herself in other people’s problems to avoid confronting her own. Meanwhile, Becky is overwhelmed by the costs of raising a baby, so her family steps in to help.

The series stars John Goodman as Dan Conner, Laurie Metcalf as Jackie Harris, Sara Gilbert as Darlene Conner, Lecy Goranson as Becky Conner-Healy, Michael Fishman as D.J. Conner, Emma Kenney as Harris Conner-Healy, Ames McNamara as Mark Conner-Healy and Jayden Rey as Mary Conner.

The Conners - Episode 2.03 - The Preemie Monologues

Guest starring is Katey Sagal as Louise, James Pickens Jr. as Chuck and Dan Aykroyd as Buddy.

2x04: Landford....Landford

BAD LUCK AND POOR CHOICES ARE WHAT LANFORD LIFE IS ALL ABOUT 

Desperate for more income, Becky seeks a bartending position at Casita Bonita, causing major concern for Dan due to her struggle with alcoholism. Meanwhile, Darlene finally nears a decision between David and Ben; and Harris' new friend, Odessa, means new trouble on "The Conners," TUESDAY, OCT. 15 (8:00-8:30 p.m. EDT), on ABC. Episodes can also be viewed the next day on ABC.com, the ABC app and Hulu.

The series stars John Goodman as Dan Conner, Laurie Metcalf as Jackie Harris, Sara Gilbert as Darlene Conner, Lecy Goranson as Becky Conner-Healy, Michael Fishman as D.J. Conner, Emma Kenney as Harris Conner-Healy, Ames McNamara as Mark Conner-Healy and Jayden Rey as Mary Conner.

2x04: Landford...Landford

Guest starring is Jay R. Ferguson as Ben, Katey Sagal as Louise and Eliza Bennett as Odessa.

I'm a little confused about the spoiler of Becky wanting to work at Casita Bonita I thought she already did w/ Louise??

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Hmm... well Becky was a waitress before, but now she wants to be the bartender.   

Interesting that we will finally see one of Harris’s friends.   We have seen a few of Mark’s but that’s it.   I would love a scene of just the grandchildren alone a few times.   

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37 minutes ago, BeachDays said:

Hmm... well Becky was a waitress before, but now she wants to be the bartender.   

Interesting that we will finally see one of Harris’s friends.   We have seen a few of Mark’s but that’s it.   I would love a scene of just the grandchildren alone a few times.   

Ah so Becky was a waitress before okay now I'm not confused anymore thanks for clearing that up!

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Well, I'm still confused. We've seen Becky behind the bar serving drinks more than once, so while I believe a full-time bartending job pays more than a waitressing job, I don't know why the proximity to booze is a bigger concern now.

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33 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Well, I'm still confused. We've seen Becky behind the bar serving drinks more than once, so while I believe a full-time bartending job pays more than a waitressing job, I don't know why the proximity to booze is a bigger concern now.

That is a a good point.

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Waitresses mostly serve food and interact (at a brisk pace) with diners and the kitchen. Bartenders mix and serve drinks full-time, and spend their shifts serving drinkers, exclusively, often over hours and at close quarters. 

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37 minutes ago, Pallas said:

Waitresses mostly serve food and interact (at a brisk pace) with diners and the kitchen. Bartenders mix and serve drinks full-time, and spend their shifts serving drinkers, exclusively, often over hours and at close quarters. 

Thanks for the explanation between the two.

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More spoilers for Katey's upcoming episode.

https://tvline.com/2019/10/02/greys-anatomy-amelia-pregnant-season-16-spoilers/

Question: Excited Katey Sagal is returning to The Conners. Anything you can tease about her return? —Jeremy
Ausiello: It’s going to put Becky between a rock and a hard place, since Louise is both her boss and her father’s potential new lady friend. “It’s complicated, because she knows Louise has some kind of relationship with Dan,” Lecy Goranson explains. “And Becky and Dan are very close. [Also], Becky really needs to appeal to Louise because she really needs work. She needs shifts, she needs money. And that’s now the power gal who can give her that. Does she go through her dad to get to Louise? Or does she just approach her [directly]?”

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4 hours ago, ESS said:

More spoilers for Katey's upcoming episode(s).

https://tvline.com/2019/10/02/greys-anatomy-amelia-pregnant-season-16-spoilers/

Question: Excited Katey Sagal is returning to The Conners. Anything you can tease about her return? —Jeremy
Ausiello: It’s going to put Becky between a rock and a hard place, since Louise is both her boss and her father’s potential new lady friend. “It’s complicated, because she knows Louise has some kind of relationship with Dan,” Lecy Goranson explains. “And Becky and Dan are very close. [Also], Becky really needs to appeal to Louise because she really needs work. She needs shifts, she needs money. And that’s now the power gal who can give her that. Does she go through her dad to get to Louise? Or does she just approach her [directly]?”

Here's another article that goes into a bit more details from the spoiler above:

https://popculture.com/tv-shows/2019/10/02/the-conners-sons-of-anarchy-alum-katey-sagal-return-means-trouble-one-becky-major-character/

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On 9/8/2019 at 1:07 AM, Bastet said:

They'll have to work hard to not undo, let alone top, "A Stash From the Past".

Among many other things, I love how the backdrop to that, and another episode, was that Darlene had (off-screen in the past) tried a few drugs as many people her age do, decided none of them were for her, and moved on; so much more refreshing than the Very Special Episode trope where experimentation is always a crisis.

So if they're going to go the teen drug use route this time, it had better be appropriately nuanced.  The handling of Harris having sex was in line with the original years, so hopefully this will be too.

OMG that was one of the best episodes ever!

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Here's a new video of Katey's character and also Dan Aykroyd's as well

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11 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Oh, they're so cute together.

Yes they are!! I already shipped them from their first scenes back in season 1! I can't help it

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11 minutes ago, ESS said:

Promo Photos from 2x04 Landford....Landford

2x04: Landford...Landford

I love Becky and Dan together so much. When she was a kid, their relationship was often strained but now they seem to understand each other perfectly. It's really natural now.

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23 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I love Becky and Dan together so much. When she was a kid, their relationship was often strained but now they seem to understand each other perfectly. It's really natural now.

Yeah they seem very close now...I'm glad for that. It's so nice to see Louise in those photos too and some of her at the house that's gonna be very interesting to see. 

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I LOVE Dan and Becky’s relationship now, it’s sooooo sweet, I remember there was an episode early on about his Darlene and Dan were closer, and Becky was closer to Roseanne.  But they have had excellent moments throughout the years and it’s lovely to see how close their bond is.  

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I can't be the only one who looks at the "Lanford ... Lanford" (no D) title and hears season one Jackie in the mall groaning, "Lanford, Lanford"?  ("Cities in Illinois.")

Anyway, that logline is perfect: BAD LUCK AND POOR CHOICES ARE WHAT LANFORD LIFE IS ALL ABOUT

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Links to media reports about the show should be posted in the Media: Lanford, IL Patch topic, and may include a brief comment. Discussion and speculation around media reports belong here. Both are tagged for spoilers. Thanks!

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22 minutes ago, Pallas said:

Links to media reports about the show should be posted in the Media: Lanford, IL Patch topic, and may include a brief comment. Discussion and speculation around media reports belong here. Both are tagged for spoilers. Thanks!

Thanks for this I guess I'll have to edit my post and put the photos over into the other thread so I'll do that now.

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9 hours ago, BeachDays said:

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“David has a lot to say to you.”

Alright I can’t wait for this episode, will we finally see David with a backbone that will pretty much tell Darlene how he felt about the way she treated him then, & now.
 

I can only hope.

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11 minutes ago, RocknRollZombie said:

“David has a lot to say to you.”

Alright I can’t wait for this episode, will we finally see David with a backbone that will pretty much tell Darlene how he felt about the way she treated him then, & now.
 

I can only hope.

I hope so too.   I’m SUPER curious about what happens.   Also there is no episode the week following this one so I hope it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger haha.  

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29 minutes ago, BeachDays said:

I hope so too.   I’m SUPER curious about what happens.   Also there is no episode the week following this one so I hope it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger haha.  

That sucks there's not a new episode after this one..

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I hope Darlene saying she's been afraid to stop trying will lead to her finally acknowledging once and for all her romantic partnership with David is best left in the past, and the best thing for everyone - her, David, their kids - is to figure out the next stage of the family dynamic.  But I won't begin to hold my breath on that.

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