S08.E26: Access Issues

[teapot]

@configdotsys I'm sorry for your loss and thinking of you and hope everything is much better very soon.  Please keep us posted if you're able?

[MargeGunderson]

23 hours ago, BitterApple said:

It's like that saying "If the problem is always everyone else, then the problem is likely you." Summarizes Kail perfectly. 

Or, the more colorful "If you run into an asshole in the morning, he's an asshole. If you run in to assholes all day, you're the asshole." In Kail's case, perhaps it's bleached asshole; I don't think we got closure on that. 

[lezlers]

8 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

The way swamp thing #2 treated the police....not just the police A SHERRIFF was despicable! Even swamp thing #1 knew better than that! 

I don’t think the sherriff comes out when some random “haterrrrrr calls cps for a well check! How come lurch never assumes it’s his sister who very vocally worries about those kids?!?! Why is it always someone on jenelles side! You never hear Jenelle say “your sister is at it again” no it’s always jenelles fault, jenelles haters (cant possibly be from his Twitter! His “haters”) 

Even even Jenelle does the right thing and speaks with the sherriff politely she is bashed by David “hey why you talkin to the pooooohhhh-leeeeasssess, basically saying don’t go talkin to no pohhhhhh-leassseee and undermine ME the MAN of the house!

very scary, very disturbing controlling Abusive brainwashing fear mongering behavior! 

Just a small nitpick: a sheriff's deputy isn't any more powerful or higher up than a police officer.  Cities have police departments.  Counties and unincorporated areas have sheriff's deputies.  I doubt it was the actual Sheriff of the county visiting the swamp that day, I'm 99.9% sure it was a deputy.  I've been thinking about it and the fact that he was just hanging out in the driveway and didn't leave until he saw and talked with Jenelle makes me think that the welfare check could've been for her.  It just doesn't make sense that they'd be called out to check on the children and then would just leave without seeing or speaking to those children (unless he radioed in and confirmed the kids were, in fact, at daycare.) I mean, we hear horror stories somewhat frequently now about children being locked away and abused within a home, so no self respecting POE-LEASE officer would take angry David slamming the door in his face as sufficient proof that children are safe in the residence.

Edited June 28, 2018 by lezlers

[NickPappagiorgio]

David is such a punk bitch. And who are these people who talk to cops without putting a shirt on? It takes a second to not be absolute trash. Especially when you’re doughy as fuck like David. 

And is the crew really just standing there while they get high all day? The kids weren’t even there. What was the plan here? Did they call the cops to have something to shoot? 

And what is the line where the producers will choose the cops over the “talent?” If they had just killed a guy would they be hemming and hawing over answering the door?

The fact that they have a mini photo studio for their social media bullshit makes me think of a porn shoot and takes my mind to concerned/disgusted levels. 

And im sure David won’t allow a male producer, but this woman as much a fearful doormat as Janelle. And they have guns! I’m not sure there is an amount to spend my days being abused and scared and living in bumfuck. This is what you got into tv production for? What a disaster. 

Kail and her endless stream of house people, each more busted than the last.

I did like briana flat out telling the witch to shut up. More please. 

Leah continues to be garbage. It’s sad that I’m really starting to see Leah’s whore face when I see the kids.

C/C I guess this is the American dream? It looks so dull and mind-numbing, but then I didn’t get knocked up in HS so maybe it’s a mind-melding quandary in which they exist 

[vmcd88]

David/Jenelle's kitchen countertop looked like the behind the counter shelf at CVS Pharmacy.  Javi makes a big deal of asking Roxanne for Briana's hand in marriage but then mails in the proposal.  Odd.  Does Roxanne have friends or does she spend 24/7 all up in her daughter's business.  When Briana when in to see Dr. Miami I thought she was going to ask about them fixing her ass.   Nope...just a tummy tuck.  

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, lezlers said:

I know what DV calls and welfare checks are, it's my profession.  See my above post about exigent circumstances.  Police can enter a home if they have reasonable belief that someone is in danger within that home.   Under the circumstances we saw, if the kids WERE in fact home and any harm came to them, I'd hate to be the officer that took Jenelle's word for it and left.  He would have been well within his authority to investigate further.  You can't close out a welfare check call without actually seeing the person who's welfare you're allegedly checking on.   Of course, we weren't privy to what exactly the allegations were, so it's hard to speculate.

I understand exigent circumstances. I was under the impression that the cop would need to see or hear something that gave him reason to suspect exigent circumstances. The kids were not at home. I understand that people are saying that the cop didn't necessarily KNOW that. But we also don't know that he didn't call the daycare after David slammed the door in his face. 

I'm not really one to defend cops; I don't want to come off that way. I realize too many abuse situations are overlooked. But I also know of too many situations where cops overstep their bounds and violate rights that people don't even know they had.

If someone had called and reported they'd just heard fighting and screaming going on in the home and the cop left without even going inside, I'd be pissed. But we don't really know the nature of the welfare call. It was likely Nathan looking for any way to fuck with Jenelle. If Nathan is so concerned about Kaiser, he should get his fucking life together and take her to court for custody. Instead, he's too busy hitting the gym....and women. 

I think Jenelle and David are the last people on earth who should have children in their care. But CPS has apparently investigated them (several times) and closed the cases without doing anything. Sadly, I think something bad is going to have to happen before those kids get the help they need. The entire system is just a mess. 

[usernameG]

On 6/25/2018 at 6:55 PM, SuzyLee said:

Good Lord, that conversation with Briana and her mom.  I’m trying to imagine my mother just casually saying, “His dick ain’t that big” when discussing a boyfriend with me (and I am insanely close to my mom!)  Keep it classy, Roxanne.  God only knows what her poor daughter has overheard while playing nearby over the years.

Right? I think the Coven Mama is bringing her own personal issues with men out. She reminds me of this friend of mine who is my mothers age and so bitter. God help me if I become that bitter.

[heatherchandler]

21 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

 

 

That voice.  Does he talk like that at work?

 

 

HA!  It is so bad.  Like, does he know what he sounds like, especially when he amps up the baby talk?  And I had originally missed the comment to which you had replied, about the hat with a propeller on top!  I am dying.

 

14 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

I *did* think David showed some shrewdness or awareness when he refused to step outside. 

I don’t know what I would do if some police showed up banging on my door, and my initial reaction would be fear of being told about the terrible death of someone I love, but I wouldn’t be inviting anyone in for coffee, no matter what. 

I may not be making anyone coffee, but I would immediately open the door, try to find out what the problem is, and get everything resolved - show the officer around the house, etc.  But I have nothing to hide.  Well I mean... I am not perfect, but I am not abusing my kids, so I would be like - let me show you how I am not abusing them! 

The only reason to be shifty and shady is if you have something to hide.  Not in all cases having to do with police, but definitely in any case where the police are there to be sure you are not hurting kids.  

Edited June 28, 2018 by heatherchandler

[guilfoyleatpp]

Yeah, I get that, but I was raised to be wary of police. It's totally a thing. And asking people to step on the porch is a common way of taking them into custody if you don't have a warrant to enter, so that's why I get David not going out onto the porch for what was probably going to be a more private chat and not an arrest, but I wouldn't do it. If you have something to say to me, you can say it from the other side of the security door.

Now, if I'm having some kids over and a neighbor makes a noise complaint I would let them in to look around, just to show nothing nefarious is happening. But if they just show up at my door, I'm not going to be happy about it. 

I think the deputy got spooked/thrown by the cameras being there, personally. 

[zenme]

3 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Or, the more colorful "If you run into an asshole in the morning, he's an asshole. If you run in to assholes all day, you're the asshole." In Kail's case, perhaps it's bleached asshole; I don't think we got closure on that. 

This is what I always used to say about my old boss. 

I honestly don't know how she can maintain friendships. Are they just "yes" people? Well, it seems she does seem to go through relationships steadily--both male and female. Kailyn could use very intense therapy with the right doctor. She's a very damaged individual who keeps making very big life choices while damaged--kinda like driving while intoxicated.  She's also dragging along these innocent kids for the ride, not to mention innocent bystanders like Vee, Vivi, Javi's family, Lux's other family. She's a mess who's insistent that she's got it so together.

[BitterApple]

I don't know if the Sheriff's visit was staged or not, but I can see both sides of the coin. The cop was totally coming across as amateur hour. He called David "dude" and said something like "who's the parent" instead of specifically asking for them by name. When Dave asked "what's this about?" the guy gave a jumbled, vague answer. So in that sense, I can see why Lurch would be like get out of here if you don't have a warrant, but flipping out and slamming the door pretty much confirms they had something to hide. This one's a toss-up for me. 

Edited June 28, 2018 by BitterApple

[BlancheDevoreaux]

This show.  During the Jenelle crap, I was made painfully aware of just how different she is from anyone I know.  If an officer was knocking at my door, my first thought would be that someone I loved was in some sort of trouble or dead or that there was an emergency in the area I need to be made aware of.  I wouldn't leave him out there knocking on my door saying that I wasn't going to answer because "f*ck him".  First, if it was a loved one or an emergency, I'd want to know.  Second, if it was something else, I'd do what I could to not arouse or increase suspicion.  She and that thing she is married to are ridiculous.

[AirQuotes]

I don't have anything in my home to hide from the police, but I'm not letting them in my house so they can snoop around.  I'm not stepping outside either.  Everyone should be aware of their rights and know how to diplomatically exercise them.

I've had sheriff deputies show up at my house and I opened the door.  The few times it has happened, it has always been to serve subpoenas.  It was scary because I thought something happened to my husband or oldest daughter.  I would not step outside and I would not allow them to come in unless they had a warrant for my arrest or a search warrant.

My BFF's teenage son was killed in a car accident a few years ago, and the state troopers showed up at her work to tell her.  Needless to say, it was horrible.

[snarts]

7 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Aside from bitching about Adam, Chelsea doesn't have any storyline. I think that's why they're pimping her latest pregnancy before the pee stick even dried. 

She's a happily married woman with two kids on a show called Teen Mom, what should her storyline be? Should she act a fool just to make it interesting? I fail to see how her castmates storylines are so much more impressive.  Plus, the show always pimps pregnancies, at least she didn't allow herself to be filmed peeing on the stick.

[heatherchandler]

1 minute ago, snarts said:

She's a happily married woman with two kids on a show called Teen Mom, what should her storyline be? Should she act a fool just to make it interesting? I fail to see how her castmates storylines are so much more impressive.  Plus, the show always pimps pregnancies, at least she didn't allow herself to be filmed peeing on the stick.

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

[TheRealT]

3 hours ago, zenme said:

This is what I always used to say about my old boss. 

I honestly don't know how she can maintain friendships. Are they just "yes" people? Well, it seems she does seem to go through relationships steadily--both male and female. Kailyn could use very intense therapy with the right doctor. She's a very damaged individual who keeps making very big life choices while damaged--kinda like driving while intoxicated.  She's also dragging along these innocent kids for the ride, not to mention innocent bystanders like Vee, Vivi, Javi's family, Lux's other family. She's a mess who's insistent that she's got it so together.

Yes, Kail's friends/hangers-on are all "yes people." They are also dazzled by her fame and money and enjoy hanging out at her nice house, eating her food, maybe even getting to be on TV (and earn a few bucks in the process). She was so into Chris and so determined to "get him" because he didn't kiss up to her, which she took as a challenge to get him to submit to her will like everyone else in her orbit.

11 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

I think Chelsea is still on the show because it's paying her more money than she'll likely ever earn again to do very little work that she can do while being a SAHM (her real career and ultimate career aspiration). I think MTV keeps her on the show because some viewers do like her/her storyline. If nothing else, it's a palate cleanser from the toxicity of the rest of them. Personally, I find Chelsea boring/kind of annoying, but I get it.

[Maharincess]

3 hours ago, zenme said:

 

 

22 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

I am. I would much rather watch a happy family living their lives than to watch the likes of Jenelle or Karl.  Child abuse doesn't entertain me and I know I'll never have to see it with Chelsea. 

[SnarkEnthusiast]

They really need to condense the lag between filming and real life because it's just boring having a storyline built around and wasting screen time on Javi and Briana maybe getting engaged when he's already knocked up another girl irl. At this rate, Chelsea will have two more kids before next season starts airing.

[missy jo]

Omg, of course David is a survivalist. 

[lezlers]

10 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I understand exigent circumstances. I was under the impression that the cop would need to see or hear something that gave him reason to suspect exigent circumstances. The kids were not at home. I understand that people are saying that the cop didn't necessarily KNOW that. But we also don't know that he didn't call the daycare after David slammed the door in his face. 

I'm not really one to defend cops; I don't want to come off that way. I realize too many abuse situations are overlooked. But I also know of too many situations where cops overstep their bounds and violate rights that people don't even know they had.

If someone had called and reported they'd just heard fighting and screaming going on in the home and the cop left without even going inside, I'd be pissed. But we don't really know the nature of the welfare call. It was likely Nathan looking for any way to fuck with Jenelle. If Nathan is so concerned about Kaiser, he should get his fucking life together and take her to court for custody. Instead, he's too busy hitting the gym....and women. 

I think Jenelle and David are the last people on earth who should have children in their care. But CPS has apparently investigated them (several times) and closed the cases without doing anything. Sadly, I think something bad is going to have to happen before those kids get the help they need. The entire system is just a mess. 

Agree wholeheartedly!

[lezlers]

6 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

I'd venture to say having nothing going on in her life isn't Chelsea's problem.  If MTV wants to continue to pay her a six figure salary for doing nothing, I say keep cashing those checks, sweetheart. She doesn't owe anyone anything.  I actually find it hilarious that the other cast members keep popping out babies with anyone who looks at them twice and hopping from relationship to relationship to keep securing that MTV check while Chelsea is still getting paid to simply live her best life. Good for her.

Edited June 29, 2018 by lezlers

[SnarkEnthusiast]

14 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I'd venture to say having nothing going on in her life isn't Chelsea's problem.  If MTV wants to continue to pay her a six figure salary for doing nothing, I say keep cashing those checks, sweetheart. She doesn't owe anyone anything.  I actually find it hilarious that the other cast members keep popping out babies with anyone who looks at them twice and hopping from relationship to relationship to keep securing that MTV check while Chelsea is still getting paid to simply live her best life. Good for her.

Exactly! Like I know she's snoozefest and a little too into bragging and preening to the cameras/social media about her Pinterest perfect life and also smug/self-impressed that she bagged Cole after willingly giving up so many years angsting over the human dumpster fire that is Adam.........but also sorry that it's "boring" that she treats her kids well and lives a stable life? At what point does hoping for drama become however unintentionally hand-waving trauma to the kids? Unless it's snuggie-clad Roxanne weeping at Briana at 2pm in a random mall food court (HILARIOUS. So many questions.), "drama" on this show means domestic violence, emotional abuse, restraining orders, abusing the crew, intentionally putting your disabled child at constant risk of injury, animal abuse, jail (gel), police, CPS, and miserable children. This is popcorn fodder for us, but those kids will be impacted by the Daddy of the month, screaming matches, and custody fights the rest of their lives.

But hey, dumbass Chelsea let her poor sweet French bulldog puppy get mauled to death on camera by that rando neighboorhood dog because she was too fucking stupid to watch and/or carry the poor thing, so hey, even the blandest will always be negligent shitheads in some way lol. Everyone glosses over that and it still makes my stomach turn. Everyone justifiably worries about the kids, but dear God, think of those poor pets too.

For now, I say let Chelsea bore me to sleep if it means her kids are happy. Yes, her newfound Instagrammable family-fueled superiority complex is annoying, but I'll happily take it over the rest of this flaming shitshow. 

[Mkay]

I need Chelsea’s segments so that my blood pressure comes back down.  Hahaha If watching her is boring then welcome to my life. I’m sitting on the couch typing this on my phone now.  

[KittyKat133]

13 hours ago, lezlers said:

Just a small nitpick: a sheriff's deputy isn't any more powerful or higher up than a police officer.  Cities have police departments.  Counties and unincorporated areas have sheriff's deputies.  I doubt it was the actual Sheriff of the county visiting the swamp that day, I'm 99.9% sure it was a deputy.  I've been thinking about it and the fact that he was just hanging out in the driveway and didn't leave until he saw and talked with Jenelle makes me think that the welfare check could've been for her.  It just doesn't make sense that they'd be called out to check on the children and then would just leave without seeing or speaking to those children (unless he radioed in and confirmed the kids were, in fact, at daycare.) I mean, we hear horror stories somewhat frequently now about children being locked away and abused within a home, so no self respecting POE-LEASE officer would take angry David slamming the door in his face as sufficient proof that children are safe in the residence.

First thank you for clarifying that, I live on Long Island in NY. If. Sherriff comes to your door, it’s serious. Just like if you get pulled over by a state trooper as opposed to a cop. Sheriff’s hers only report to really serious matters. 

But.... you got me thinking. I wonder if the call really was for Jenelle, maybe she even knew it was for her. Maybe one of the producers called and swampies were having a knock down drag out fight in the bedroom which is why all the weirdness of Jenelle and David being locked in the room... verrrrryyyyyy interesting theory my dear, verrrrryyyyy interesting indeed!

[Mkay]

I live in the country.  If I call for help a deputy from the Sheriff’s office will show up.  If I lived in town, a city cop would come instead.  Here the Sheriff department patrols outside the city limit.  I’m also wondering if the welfare check was about Jenelle and not the kids. 

[mscav]

1 hour ago, KittyKat133 said:

you got me thinking. I wonder if the call really was for Jenelle, maybe she even knew it was for her. Maybe one of the producers called and swampies were having a knock down drag out fight in the bedroom which is why all the weirdness of Jenelle and David being locked in the room... verrrrryyyyyy interesting theory my dear, verrrrryyyyy interesting indeed!

When I was watching that it seemed to me that MTV/Kristen called and Jenelle knew this.  Kristen sounded like a middle school girl gossiping about another kid and couldn't keep the smile off her face when she was telling Jenelle about the cop outside.  She did not seem concerned or surprised at all. David immediately blamed Nathan and Jenelle started saying it could have been anyone.  I think if Jenelle really didn't know who did it then she would have been blaming Nathan too. The editing was very bad during these scenes.  My guess is that Jenelle went outside and told the police she was ok and gave them the address for the daycare or called the daycare for the officer but that was not shown.  There is no way the officer would have just hung out in the front yard until Janelle opened the door and blamed Twitter.  

[Calm81]

Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but did that awful scene with Brianna and Roxanne happen AFTER the angry tweets they had on Twitter a while back?? I can’t remember the details but I remember one of you PTV people posting screenshots of Briana and Roxanne fighting about Javi on Twitter.

[NannyBails]

I'm wondering if the sheriff visit was re-enacted for the cameras?   A "real" visit happened earlier and it was established that the kids weren't there/Jenelle was okay/whatever the real reason was,  Just a thought.

[configdotsys]

I just don't know what it is like in other places but I am continually shaking my head at that visit and, if it was re-enacted, that a deputy would allow himself to look like a bumbling fool on television by taking Jenelle's word for it. It makes zero sense for police to arrive at a scene in which someone may be hurt or in need of assistance and to have the occupants of the house say, "We're cool. Get lost," and shut the door and for the deputy's attitude to be that he's sorry, just doing his job and will leave them alone. I just don't understand what the point of airing that was? To show us how David is omnipotent and can get away with slamming the door on the authorities? 

[teapot]

8 hours ago, Mkay said:

I need Chelsea’s segments so that my blood pressure comes back down.  Hahaha If watching her is boring then welcome to my life. I’m sitting on the couch typing this on my phone now.  

She pisses me off because I almost feel like she's *not* showing her real life.  I'm positive that she probably almost never talks about Adam (why am I thinking that she once said that she didn't really believe in talking about him in front of Cole very often)

I like stupid shit like her "bachelorette party" in the cabin, or Cole taking Aubs to the father-daughter dance, I even liked the backpack drama in the car.  But I feel like all we got last season and so far this one is Chelsea sitting on a couch saying 'I can't believe Adam-uh!  Poor Aubree! Aubree, your dad sucks and I'm so sorry.  Hey look, Cole exists!  Are you excited?"

I do love Watson, though, and the way he claps especially!!

[configdotsys]

I don't think that disliking Chelsea's segments on the show means that people would rather watch child and drug abuse. 

[shinyclefable]

9 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

First thank you for clarifying that, I live on Long Island in NY. If. Sherriff comes to your door, it’s serious. Just like if you get pulled over by a state trooper as opposed to a cop. Sheriff’s hers only report to really serious matters. 

But.... you got me thinking. I wonder if the call really was for Jenelle, maybe she even knew it was for her. Maybe one of the producers called and swampies were having a knock down drag out fight in the bedroom which is why all the weirdness of Jenelle and David being locked in the room... verrrrryyyyyy interesting theory my dear, verrrrryyyyy interesting indeed!

wow i never thought of this & the whole situation seemed weird & like something was missing. this is plausible & makes sense to me. whether it was a call from outside of the house or from within it makes sense that maybe it wasn’t for the kids, but for her. if people in bad situations can call the police & 911 and ask for help without giving away to the bad person what they are doing then isn’t it possible for that cop to not tell david the welfare check is for jenelle? idk how that all works, but could it explain why the cop was stumbling over his words talking to david? i just never thought of the perspective that that call could have been to check on her, but it makes sense now that i think about it. 

[lezlers]

3 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but did that awful scene with Brianna and Roxanne happen AFTER the angry tweets they had on Twitter a while back?? I can’t remember the details but I remember one of you PTV people posting screenshots of Briana and Roxanne fighting about Javi on Twitter.

What?  I'm gonna need details, stat!  Is it in another thread?  What kind of trashy, attention whore person fights with someone they LIVE WITH on TWITTER? Good lord.  Open your bedroom door and just talk to the person.  That's like couples who live together and publicly air all of their dirty laundry (or just post back and forth with each other) on facebook. THE PERSON IS PROBABLY 10 FEET AWAY.

2 hours ago, NannyBails said:

I'm wondering if the sheriff visit was re-enacted for the cameras?   A "real" visit happened earlier and it was established that the kids weren't there/Jenelle was okay/whatever the real reason was,  Just a thought.

I can't see law enforcement agreeing to that.  Every time an officer is dispatched somewhere, it takes resources away from someone who actually needs their help as well as costing the county money.  They're not going to fake a call for a trashy MTV reality show.

2 hours ago, teapot said:

She pisses me off because I almost feel like she's *not* showing her real life.  I'm positive that she probably almost never talks about Adam (why am I thinking that she once said that she didn't really believe in talking about him in front of Cole very often)

I like stupid shit like her "bachelorette party" in the cabin, or Cole taking Aubs to the father-daughter dance, I even liked the backpack drama in the car.  But I feel like all we got last season and so far this one is Chelsea sitting on a couch saying 'I can't believe Adam-uh!  Poor Aubree! Aubree, your dad sucks and I'm so sorry.  Hey look, Cole exists!  Are you excited?"

I do love Watson, though, and the way he claps especially!!

Watson is one of the cutest damn babies I've ever seen.  No wonder she immediately got knocked up again.

[SnarkEnthusiast]

50 minutes ago, configdotsys said:

I don't think that disliking Chelsea's segments on the show means that people would rather watch child and drug abuse. 

No it doesn't, I hope my last post didn't imply that. It's just that I think we have to remember that drama on this show is never self-contained because these morons have to drag their kids into everything. Chelsea doesn't to that, to be fair, but even she seems to ask/tell Aubree a lot of vaguely leading questions about Cole and Adam. Let the girl have her own opinions!

And besides Adam, what would drama for Chelsea even look like? "oh no, I forgot to wear a shirt referencing being a mom today!" Lol she doesn't seem to talk to the other TMs (thankfully)

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

Just me, but I love the scenes with just her and the kids being silly or doing family activities. I wouldn't watch an entire hour of it, but it's a nice pallet cleanser in between the other crap. 

 

2 hours ago, NannyBails said:

I'm wondering if the sheriff visit was re-enacted for the cameras?   A "real" visit happened earlier and it was established that the kids weren't there/Jenelle was okay/whatever the real reason was,  Just a thought.

Would the cops really agree to stage a reenactment, though?

[Mr. Miner]

18 hours ago, TheRealT said:

She was so into Chris and so determined to "get him" because he didn't kiss up to her, which she took as a challenge to get him to submit to her will like everyone else in her orbit.

And Chris is ashamed that in a moment of weakness he reproduced with a Sasquatch.

[Mkay]

Could it have possibly been the crew calling for a welfare check because Jenelle was locked in her room with David and they saw the hole in the door? Just a thought. They were there to film, and J&E probably his in their room for hours. 

[teapot]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

And Chris is ashamed that in a moment of weakness he reproduced with a Sasquatch.

I can't help it, I love Lux!  if he were my kid I'd always be picking him up & trying to get him to smile! 

 

3 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Could it have possibly been the crew calling for a welfare check because Jenelle was locked in her room with David and they saw the hole in the door? Just a thought. They were there to film, and J&E probably his in their room for hours. 

It's absolutely horrible how unprofessional they all are

[zenme]

29 minutes ago, Mkay said:

Could it have possibly been the crew calling for a welfare check because Jenelle was locked in her room with David and they saw the hole in the door? Just a thought. They were there to film, and J&E probably his in their room for hours. 

I believe the hole in the door has been there. 

I don't think the crew called the cops because they were communicating through the door.

[DangerousMinds]

20 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

And much of this is exploiting Aubree, IMO. She is nearing the age where she may choose to seek out old Teen Mom footage and see little but her mom and others bashing her dad.

3 hours ago, configdotsys said:

I don't think that disliking Chelsea's segments on the show means that people would rather watch child and drug abuse. 

Yes, kind of a ridiculous assumption imo.

15 hours ago, lezlers said:

I'd venture to say having nothing going on in her life isn't Chelsea's problem.  If MTV wants to continue to pay her a six figure salary for doing nothing, I say keep cashing those checks, sweetheart. She doesn't owe anyone anything.  I actually find it hilarious that the other cast members keep popping out babies with anyone who looks at them twice and hopping from relationship to relationship to keep securing that MTV check while Chelsea is still getting paid to simply live her best life. Good for her.

She owes her daughter - doesn’t seem like a great idea to keep filming her for millions of strangers in this world to me. Allow your children some privacy.

[TheRealT]

2 hours ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

No it doesn't, I hope my last post didn't imply that. It's just that I think we have to remember that drama on this show is never self-contained because these morons have to drag their kids into everything. Chelsea doesn't to that, to be fair, but even she seems to ask/tell Aubree a lot of vaguely leading questions about Cole and Adam. Let the girl have her own opinions!

And besides Adam, what would drama for Chelsea even look like? "oh no, I forgot to wear a shirt referencing being a mom today!" Lol she doesn't seem to talk to the other TMs (thankfully)

 

5 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

And much of this is exploiting Aubree, IMO. She is nearing the age where she may choose to seek out old Teen Mom footage and see little but her mom and others bashing her dad.

I agree that the show isn't good for Aubree. She's already old enough to access TM episodes and/or news/SM about her family on her own. I would think that there's a high likelihood that friends, friends' older siblings, etc., etc., even the interactions with Chelsea that we've seen on the show, have given her the idea that there's a "there there," something she's not supposed to know. It really doesn't matter if Chelsea doesn't badmouth Adam in front of Aubree if Aubree can watch actual footage of her doing so; that's actually kind of worse. Aubree will suffer enough having Adam as a bio dad and having the additional burden of so much of her private family business being publicly available just makes that worse.

[heatherchandler]

4 hours ago, configdotsys said:

I don't think that disliking Chelsea's segments on the show means that people would rather watch child and drug abuse. 

Thank you!  I do not like child abuse, I do not want to watch it.  I am not entertained by it.  I do not like Chelsea, and I am not entertained by her.  These are all true things, and they don't have anything to do with one another.

 

 

24 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

And much of this is exploiting Aubree, IMO. She is nearing the age where she may choose to seek out old Teen Mom footage and see little but her mom and others bashing her dad.

Yes, kind of a ridiculous assumption imo.

She owes her daughter - doesn’t seem like a great idea to keep filming her for millions of strangers in this world to me. Allow your children some privacy.

^This is all what I have been wanting to say, but could not put into words.

Aubree's loves her dad very much.  He is not father of the year... but he is her dad and she does care about him.  

[Calm81]

3 hours ago, lezlers said:

What?  I'm gonna need details, stat!  Is it in another thread?  What kind of trashy, attention whore person fights with someone they LIVE WITH on TWITTER? Good lord.  Open your bedroom door and just talk to the person.  That's like couples who live together and publicly air all of their dirty laundry (or just post back and forth with each other) on facebook. THE PERSON IS PROBABLY 10 FEET AWAY.

I can't see law enforcement agreeing to that.  Every time an officer is dispatched somewhere, it takes resources away from someone who actually needs their help as well as costing the county money.  They're not going to fake a call for a trashy MTV reality show.

Watson is one of the cutest damn babies I've ever seen.  No wonder she immediately got knocked up again.

I believe it happened while Briana was in deleware visiting Javi and Roxanne knew that Javi was trying to propose and “keep Briana from her”. I will research after work ... break about over

[Abmis]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Just me, but I love the scenes with just her and the kids being silly or doing family activities. I wouldn't watch an entire hour of it, but it's a nice pallet cleanser in between the other crap. 

 

Would the cops really agree to stage a reenactment, though?

I think MTV hired  somebody local to play the cop and that's why the whole thing was so weird.  

[FlickerInTheNight]

1 hour ago, TheRealT said:

 

I agree that the show isn't good for Aubree. She's already old enough to access TM episodes and/or news/SM about her family on her own. I would think that there's a high likelihood that friends, friends' older siblings, etc., etc., even the interactions with Chelsea that we've seen on the show, have given her the idea that there's a "there there," something she's not supposed to know. It really doesn't matter if Chelsea doesn't badmouth Adam in front of Aubree if Aubree can watch actual footage of her doing so; that's actually kind of worse. Aubree will suffer enough having Adam as a bio dad and having the additional burden of so much of her private family business being publicly available just makes that worse.

I know I'm in the minority on this and I'm ok with it...but I don't really think it's that detrimental for Aubree to know her parents had a rough go of it and don't much like each other.  I also don't think it's bad for her to know her father is useless.  I think she should know these things.  I'm not saying Chelsea should break out the youtube links and start discussing it...but if she finds them...ok.  Chelsea's response at that point should be to explain to her that sometimes adults don't make great choices.  Sometimes adults don't like each other.  Sometimes adults screw up.  Give Aubree a foundation for the understanding that you can love someone WITHOUT needing their validation in return.  Aubree is now old enough to understand her parents are fallible.  She can love her dad, but she's not responsible for his choices.  She can love her dad but she can also say she doesn't agree with how he lives his life and the choices he makes so she can choose NOT to be a part of it.  

My parents didn't get along growing up.  And they were married.  If you think you're keeping anything from them just because you don't discuss it when a kid is in the room, you're so very wrong.  I grew up hoping and praying that they would divorce just so they would shutup.  I grew up with the understanding that adults aren't perfect and sometimes people make shitty decisions.  I also grew up with an aversion to being emotionally manipulated because I was so exposed to it growing up.  

My point is that I've never been a proponent of keeping the truth from kids.  Don't cart it out in front of them, but if they find out...they find out.  Then explain it to them.  In my experience, keeping them in the dark is more for the parent than it is for the kid.  Chelsea does a pretty good job explaining the fact that Adam has issues, she would be able to handle those conversations.  I don't see her being on this show as detrimental.  She seems like a pretty happy go lucky kid despite the fact that her father is a douchebag.  

[missy jo]

I'm coming around to thinking the welfare check was about Jenelle too. The cop was way too blase about the kids. 

[DangerousMinds]

8 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but did that awful scene with Brianna and Roxanne happen AFTER the angry tweets they had on Twitter a while back?? I can’t remember the details but I remember one of you PTV people posting screenshots of Briana and Roxanne fighting about Javi on Twitter.

They were fighting on Twitter when they live in the same apartment? I will never understand this.

[alexa]

23 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Then why is she on tv?  I am not saying all tv is riveting, but seriously - all she does is sit on her couch, or drive around, and complain about Adam.  There has been nothing else, and I am not even exaggerating.  Are there people entertained by this?  

I would probably still be watching the show if it was Chelsea like material versus all of the other stuff. But since I would have to watch Jenelle, Kail, etc I am no longer watching. They have become too much for me. So yes I am entertained by Chelsea’s calm lifestyle. 

[Bblack3]

Is David that great of an actor to do a re-enactment? He seemed like he just woke up and I honestly don’t believe he’s sitting there agreeing to reenact what the crew wants. Especially when it isn’t about his perfect life. Or they’re all fantastic at their “jobs” and pulling one over on all of us!

[lezlers]

5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

And much of this is exploiting Aubree, IMO. She is nearing the age where she may choose to seek out old Teen Mom footage and see little but her mom and others bashing her dad.

Yes, kind of a ridiculous assumption imo.

She owes her daughter - doesn’t seem like a great idea to keep filming her for millions of strangers in this world to me. Allow your children some privacy.

I agree, but Chelsea shouldn't be singled out for that.   All of the moms are guilty of this.  And we're guilty of giving it an audience and keeping it going.