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Personally I think the show would have been a lot better if they hadn't started treating a murderous Nephilim who brainwashed his own mother into giving birth to him, even though it would kill her and brainwashed Cas into letting it happen, like some sort of poor little gigantic toddler and then treating Dean like the bad guy for calling it out for the screwed up way of thinking it was and constantly trying to gaslight the character by acting like HE was the one being unreasonable, into being said murderous toddler's "parent" including after he murdered Dean's own mother.

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4 hours ago, tessathereaper said:

Personally I think the show would have been a lot better if they hadn't started treating a murderous Nephilim who brainwashed his own mother into giving birth to him even though it would kill her

I've never understood this line of thinking.  If he's a sentient being, of course he's going to want to live.  And I don't recall any brainwashing until after she had killed herself and he brought her back.  Killing herself also killed her and he had nothing to do with that. I feel like the bigger problem is the LOL power fluctuations that are so prevalent with this show. If had the power to bring her back to life while still in the womb, surely he still had that power a month later.

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5 hours ago, NougatJack said:

My unpopular opinion is: 

Episodes can be good even if they don´t contain any Dean worshipping. 

I'd settle for episodes that don't blatantly disrespect him.

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So I guess Dabb's 30% was made up of the Sam/JP fans,  the bronlies, and the wincesters then.

Sounds about right. 

Also, maybe it's just me but Misha Collins sat on his hands while one of his best friend's reputation was ripped to shreds by his delusional fanbase, but the minute they attack the network that might possibly offer him employment, he speaks up and out to them to set the record straight. 🙄

I'll say it again Jensen, with friends like these...

Thank God it's finally over.

 

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2 hours ago, Myrelle said:

So I guess Dabb's 30% was made up of the Sam/JP fans,  the bronlies, and the wincesters then.

Sounds about right. 

Also, maybe it's just me but Misha Collins sat on his hands while one of his best friend's reputation was ripped to shreds by his delusional fanbase, but the minute they attack the network that might possibly offer him employment, he speaks up and out to them to set the record straight. 🙄

I'll say it again Jensen, with friends like these...

Thank God it's finally over.

 

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This will be an unpopular opinion amongst many here. I have been watching SM explode about the final the most rabid people seem to be Destiel shippers with some extreme Dean fans contributing as well. I watched Misha's instagram/fb etc message and it makes me sad that all this hate is being sent out. I have watched this show for the brothers, it is and has always been in my opinion about the brothers and their love for each other – not talking romatic love here. There have been 327 episodes of which Castiel has been in 148 – that is not even half the series. So although he was a big presence in the show and an important part of the story there was absolutely no reason IMO why he should be in the final episode unless it was to satisfy the Destiel shippers. I think people for whom Castiel was their favourite character built his importance up far too much. I hated that Dean was killed off far too early – I struggle with the concept that we were supposed to think they had lived for several years before he died, it just did not come across if that is what they meant but I can at least take a small comfort in Sam and Dean, Dean and Sam being together at the end even though I hated Dean being killed off.

I sympathise with Dean fans concerning his death but I can't and don't sympathise with those that wanted Dean to confirm his love for Cas in the final and for Cas to be there at the end with Sam and Dean. I really felt he got a better ending than Dean and I am surprised that Cas fans hated it so much as they certainly got more than I ever expected would be shown.

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18 minutes ago, Icarus said:

I sympathise with Dean fans concerning his death but I can't and don't sympathise with those that wanted Dean to confirm his love for Cas in the final and for Cas to be there at the end with Sam and Dean. I really felt he got a better ending than Dean and I am surprised that Cas fans hated it so much as they certainly got more than I ever expected would be shown.

I have no clue who these extreme Dean fans are you're talking about, because I follow only Dean fans on SM, and no one - literally not a single one - is wanting canon Destiel. And that includes fans who used to be or are still FANON ONLY Destielers. There are a lot of fans on SM who use a Dean or Jensen icon on these boards on twitter or wherever who aren't actually Dean fans at all, and they're real easy to snuff out. But for some reason they like using his pretty face as their icon, or they're trying to pretend to be something they're not.

I will agree that Cas certainly got a better and more heroic death than Dean. Dean/Jensen fans were once again screwed over.

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21 minutes ago, Icarus said:

 I struggle with the concept that we were supposed to think they had lived for several years before he died, it just did not come across if that is what they meant

IMO noone has said years, a couple weeks at best. This was probably the very first hunt post-Chuck. Which sends an ugly message. 

What bothers me most is all the glowing "Dean HAD to die, otherwise Sam couldn`t have had his long, fulfilled life with a family". And Dean got exactly the bestest happiest ending ever by being killed off immediately and then just waiting around for just Sam because even in heaven he is not free or allowed to pursue anything beyond Sam. 

Like wow, was the character ever in the way apparently. And apparently very few people wanted a good life for him. 

Noone but Sam was shown mourning him on the show, no eulogy, no acknowledgment of any legay he leaves behind, not even a small heroic death and his entire death scene was made to be about Sam also. He bascially wasn`t even a character in that episode, he was every cliché of the fridged girlfriend.

I would have been fine with death but at least death with some dignity. 

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No one got the ending they wanted. For me it was depressing and hollow. The way the episode was structured was that one of the brothers needed to die in order for the other one to move on. What kind of message is that? Dean wasn't truly happy until he went to heaven?  Sam mourned his brothers death and wasn't truly happy until he died and went to heaven? As I said before it wasn't a very complicated script. Dabb couldn't have spent more than 30 minutes writing it and it showed.

Misha and Berens created the unfortunate mess all the actors find themselves in.   I don't think Misha fully realized how egging these "fans" on for the last 11 years was going to backfire in such a spectacular way. And I don't know why they thought throwing a bone to a very "excitable" crowd wasn't going to create a feeding frenzy.

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19 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

Noone but Sam was shown mourning him on the show, no eulogy, no acknowledgment....

I think a lot of characters were supposed to be in the finale originally (like JDM, Samantha, Kim, Brianna etc.) but it would have meant quarantine for 2 weeks for just one scene. No one could logistically commit to that.  Most of them have families and other projects going on. I understood that but the whole premise of the episode was just awful.

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1 minute ago, Casseiopeia said:

I think a lot of characters were supposed to be in the finale originally (like JDM, Samantha, Kim, Brianna etc.) but it would have meant quarantine for 2 weeks for just one scene. No one could logistically commit to that.  Most of them have families and other projects going on. I understood that but the whole premise of the episode was just awful.

Then at least edit them in - pick a scene of each with a somber face - while Sam delivers a eulogy. Same for populating heaven, you can use stock footage even easier there. 

 

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1 minute ago, Casseiopeia said:

I think a lot of characters were supposed to be in the finale originally (like JDM, Samantha, Kim, Brianna etc.) but it would have meant quarantine for 2 weeks for just one scene. No one could logistically commit to that.  Most of them have families and other projects going on. I understood that but the whole premise of the episode was just awful.

I rewatched What is and What Should Never Be recently, and they manage to get the message across that hey yeah these guys DO save a bunch of people, and in this dream land actually a hellof a lot of people are dead -all in less than a minute, with Deans face and a couple of newspaper clippings. So to me, they had plenty of time to switch it up, and maybe instead of a massive wake they should have found ways to showcase all the people they have helped over the years, even if it would have been just another clipshow (its not like the ep wasn't one montage after the other anyway)

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1 minute ago, Aeryn13 said:

Then at least edit them in - pick a scene of each with a somber face - while Sam delivers a eulogy. Same for populating heaven, you can use stock footage even easier there. 

 

I agree it could have been handled a lot better than just Sam and a dog.

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1 minute ago, PinkChicken said:

I rewatched What is and What Should Never Be recently, and they manage to get the message across that hey yeah these guys DO save a bunch of people, and in this dream land actually a hellof a lot of people are dead -all in less than a minute, with Deans face and a couple of newspaper clippings. So to me, they had plenty of time to switch it up, and maybe instead of a massive wake they should have found ways to showcase all the people they have helped over the years, even if it would have been just another clipshow (its not like the ep wasn't one montage after the other anyway)

WIAWSNB was written by Raelle Tucker. Dabb couldn't tie her shoe's.

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Sam texts Jody:

"Jody, I need to talk to you. It's.. Dean."

Sam's phone rings 10 seconds later.

Do not tell me they couldn't have even worked a phone call with Jody or Donna into things.

But at the very, VERY least they could have had Sam say something.

I can't recall - did the series end without Sam ever having said the words 'I love you' to his brother? Ironic that Dean gets painted as the emotionally stunted one.

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5 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Sam texts Jody:

"Jody, I need to talk to you. It's.. Dean."

Sam's phone rings 10 seconds later.

Do not tell me they couldn't have even worked a phone call with Jody or Donna into things.

But at the very, VERY least they could have had Sam say something.

I can't recall - did the series end without Sam ever having said the words 'I love you' to his brother? Ironic that Dean gets painted as the emotionally stunted one.

Cas said Dean's love changes everyone. So it made Sam a spoiled,, self-entitled manchild.

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24 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

I think a lot of characters were supposed to be in the finale originally (like JDM, Samantha, Kim, Brianna etc.) but it would have meant quarantine for 2 weeks for just one scene. No one could logistically commit to that.  Most of them have families and other projects going on. I understood that but the whole premise of the episode was just awful.

They could have used an old reaction shot and then cut to Sam listening to them talk about what Dean meant to them. Or they could have sent videos for a virtual hunters funeral. A good writer that actually cared would have done it. This is the guy that wanted WS to be about rubber suit monsters.

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8 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Sam texts Jody:

"Jody, I need to talk to you. It's.. Dean."

Sam's phone rings 10 seconds later.

Do not tell me they couldn't have even worked a phone call with Jody or Donna into things.

But at the very, VERY least they could have had Sam say something.

I can't recall - did the series end without Sam ever having said the words 'I love you' to his brother? Ironic that Dean gets painted as the emotionally stunted one.

That was kind of weird. Sam didn't have any other lines other than "Me too" to Miracle. Like I said Dabb doesn't have a lot of imagination.

I never thought of Dean as emotionally stunted. It's funny he gets painted that way.  Maybe Dean thought he was but his emotions were all over his face. He was the one that initiated most of the hugs. He felt the most pain over the suffering of his family and friends.

I think the directors just turned on camera's and let Jensen do his thing.

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They could have used an old reaction shot and then cut to Sam listening to them talk about what Dean meant to them. Or they could have sent videos for a virtual hunters funeral. A good writer that actually cared would have done it. This is the guy that wanted WS to be about rubber suit monsters.

I can't argue with that. Dabb wrote a very pedestrian script that pretty much fizzled out 15 seasons of Supernatural

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On 11/23/2020 at 4:06 AM, NougatJack said:

Yeah, but that´s not an unpopular opinion here I think? And this is the "unpopular opinion"-thread, so... 

The show would have been great if Jack would have stayed dead. He is a throwaway character that was given a main character's storyline and purpose. This is why the ratings tanked. This is why there is no longer a show. This is one of the fundamentals reasons that the writing was atrocious.

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4 hours ago, Myrelle said:

So I guess Dabb's 30% was made up of the Sam/JP fans,  the bronlies, and the wincesters then.

Sounds about right. 

Also, maybe it's just me but Misha Collins sat on his hands while one of his best friend's reputation was ripped to shreds by his delusional fanbase, but the minute they attack the network that might possibly offer him employment, he speaks up and out to them to set the record straight. 🙄

I'll say it again Jensen, with friends like these...

Thank God it's finally over.

 

Misha just posted a video on FB chastising his fanbase. It may not be everything that needs to be said but he told them what he thought. He doesn't discuss JA/Dean really just Cas. He definitely thought it was romantic IMO.

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2 hours ago, Castiels Cat said:

Misha just posted a video on FB chastising his fanbase. It may not be everything that needs to be said but he told them what he thought. He doesn't discuss JA/Dean really just Cas. He definitely thought it was romantic IMO.

His fans are saying the network is forcing him to say something (i.e. lie) to quiet all the misplaced outrage.  They want to spread venom and no one not even Misha (or the truth) is going to stop them.

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9 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

His fans are saying the network is forcing him to say something (i.e. lie) to quiet all the misplaced outrage.  They want to spread venom and no one not even Misha (or the truth) is going to stop them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the network asked him to say something, but I think the problem is that now he's telling the truth, without innuendo.

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Supernatural is trending. Do they care how? This is why I do not fathom how they let Dabb throw Dean under the bus. Maybe the answer is that Jensen wanted out and didn't fight it.

 

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12 hours ago, Castiels Cat said:

They could have used an old reaction shot and then cut to Sam listening to them talk about what Dean meant to them. Or they could have sent videos for a virtual hunters funeral. A good writer that actually cared would have done it. This is the guy that wanted WS to be about rubber suit monsters.

The thing is, they spent seasons developing and finally resolving this whole elaborate plot revolving around God and his sister, his children and his grandson. Seasons. As if this whole family was what the show was about instead of the Winchesters. From what I gather from this forum Sam and Dean were barely involved in this whole story. 

So they only had Sam and Dean's fate be resolved in the very last episode almost as an afterthought. 

Their ending could have happened without anything that happened over the last 15 years. Any stupid soap opera could have had one character dying from a freak work accident and showing the two reunited in heaven decades later.

And no matter how many people you show mourning that one person's death or how many people you show greeting them in heaven, it doesn't make the blatant lack of interest in those characters any less disrespectful.

Feel free to disagree.

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4 hours ago, juppschmitz said:

The thing is, they spent seasons developing and finally resolving this whole elaborate plot revolving around God and his sister, his children and his grandson. Seasons. As if this whole family was what the show was about instead of the Winchesters. From what I gather from this forum Sam and Dean were barely involved in this whole story. 

So they only had Sam and Dean's fate be resolved in the very last episode almost as an afterthought. 

Their ending could have happened without anything that happened over the last 15 years. Any stupid soap opera could have had one character dying from a freak work accident and showing the two reunited in heaven decades later.

And no matter how many people you show mourning that one person's death or how many people you show greeting them in heaven, it doesn't make the blatant lack of interest in those characters any less disrespectful.

Feel free to disagree.

You nailed it.

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I’ve always felt it was taboo to criticize Dean or Jensen in the very beginning of the series about acting, appearance, or much of anything and that hasn’t changed too much for the duration of the show.

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38 minutes ago, BornToDie said:

I’ve always felt it was taboo to criticize Dean or Jensen in the very beginning of the series about acting, appearance, or much of anything and that hasn’t changed too much for the duration of the show.

 I don't know what transpired at the beginning of the show but IMO it's not currently taboo on twitter, tumblr or on this forum. There is plenty of criticism of Jensen and tons of criticism towards Dean as well. 

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7 hours ago, DeeDee79 said:

 I don't know what transpired at the beginning of the show but IMO it's not currently taboo on twitter, tumblr or on this forum. There is plenty of criticism of Jensen and tons of criticism towards Dean as well. 

Back when IMDB had commenting, if you even just said something nice about Sam, you would get attacked as a Dean hater.  there was one person who was quite rabid about it.  And heaven help the person who actually said something critical about Dean (or Jensen).  I think there are some pretty rabid fans out there (for both of them).  And, you just need to find reasonable communities where it's OK to voice any (reasonable*) opinion.

By reasonable, I mean non-violent, non-personally hate-filled etc.  i.e., It's OK to hate a character, the writing, or the acting, but not OK to wish death or harm upon an actor, writer, or director or a poster.

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1 hour ago, Katy M said:

Back when IMDB had commenting, if you even just said something nice about Sam, you would get attacked as a Dean hater.  there was one person who was quite rabid about it.  And heaven help the person who actually said something critical about Dean (or Jensen).  I think there are some pretty rabid fans out there (for both of them).  And, you just need to find reasonable communities where it's OK to voice any (reasonable*) opinion.

By reasonable, I mean non-violent, non-personally hate-filled etc.  i.e., It's OK to hate a character, the writing, or the acting, but not OK to wish death or harm upon an actor, writer, or director or a poster.

And see, what I always found interesting is that on "open" forums like IMDB - which I agree had some  quite toxic  fans of all stripes - and this one,  that are independently run, tendencies seem to lean toward Dean/Jensen, whlie on the private/fan run boards, saying anything negative about Sam/Jared would get you censored, if not banned outright. Often not even Sam-negative but merely Dean-positive worked the same. I guess what I'm saying is if sentiments seem to run pro-Dean/Jensen here, it's because we can. Seems reasonable to me. 

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37 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And see, what I always found interesting is that on "open" forums like IMDB - which I agree had some  quite toxic  fans of all stripes - and this one,  that are independently run, tendencies seem to lean toward Dean/Jensen, whlie on the private/fan run boards, saying anything negative about Sam/Jared would get you censored, if not banned outright. Often not even Sam-negative but merely Dean-positive worked the same. I guess what I'm saying is sentiments seem to run pro-Dean/Jensen here, it's because we can. Seems reasonable to me. 

I remember the waning days of TWOP where pretty much 90-95% of Dean fans just left about a year or so before the whole site finally shut down because there was no point in staying. It got so you weren't allowed to say anything positive about Dean or Jensen even in the Dean/Jensen thread. I remember we all stopped posting at one point in the Dean/Jensen thread and one of the mods finally came in and said something like "why did you stop posting - don't stop posting." Talk about tone deaf. Of course, once Dean/Jensen fans stopped posting, the board started dying. D'oh.

In fact, years before that, before the final Dean-fan purge, at least one poster created a forum just for Dean/Jensen fans because of the crap that was always happening to Dean fans on TWOP. So it's not like we weren't always targeted there.

If you're that interested in Dean/Jensen hate, just go to twitter or tumblr.

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35 minutes ago, PAForrest said:

 

If you're that interested in Dean/Jensen hate, just go to twitter or tumblr.

Or one can watch all the Dabb Season, especially the Series Finale. If that one doesn't satisfy the hate quota, I don’t know what would.

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1 minute ago, Aeryn13 said:

Or one can watch all the Dabb Season, especially the Series Finale. If that one doesn't satisfy the hate quota, I don’t know what would.

Seriously. How much more Dean hate could you possibly want than that? 😡

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Yeah I can't say I found the IMDB boards biased in particular, it's just that it was one of the few places Dean fans weren't pushed out or silenced simply for existing.  I remember on one board(can't remember the name anymore but it was one of the most popular independent SPN boards of the time and had tens of thousands of posts) the mods actually used to delete threads and posts on the Dean and Jensen boards so it wouldn't look like he was getting more posts than Sam and Jared.  But tumblr and twitter is the place to be for the hate if that's what you want.

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I sometimes feel bad for AWESOME on this board. She must feel like a lone voice sometimes, nevertheless she clearly states her case to explain and support Sam  and is always polite and respectful.

 

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Please keep in mind that this is a thread for discussing your unpopular opinions about the show. Kindly keep the discussion about this and not the opinions of other online forums (TWOP, Twitter, etc...). And, as always, it is ok to criticize the show & its actors; it is never ok to criticize other posters.

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