S05.E10: Family Ties 2018.06.07

[SimonSeymour]

28 minutes ago, zenme said:

SimonSeymour! You've got a lot of time on your hands...(I say this in jest!) 

You are not wrong. Lol. but in my defense, I went to college in the mid 90s at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, where Jimmy John’s originated. I’m basically an expert at all things Jimmy John, yet strongly dislike him as a person (reason: he hunts big game in Africa, and I just cannot ever be okay with shooting lions and elephants). 

[breezy424]

Well, heck, I'll always give Chelsea props for coming in third on Survivor.  That's an accomplishment. 

Leave the kids alone.  The argument may be that, well, they're on the show but that doesn't make them fair game.  It's not their choice.  I don't have a problem with showing the kids but leave the speculation alone.  They don't deserve that.  Just because they may still having a bottle or look a certain way doesn't mean squat.  Not all children fall into what someone may think is what they 'should' be.  Unless you're a perfect parent with perfect kids.

Did Kathryn overdress?  Yeah.  But this birthday party was huge for her.  She tried very hard to make it nice.  And she did. 

I can't criticize anyone coming home after day surgery.  It still surprises me that in many instances that the patient is being sent home the same day.  I laughed out loud when I saw Shep coming out of the day clinic.  It was nice to see Kathryn take him and then take him home.  On a side note, did Shep drain the soup?  What was with that?  I did laugh when Kathryn indicated that it actually wasn't her grandma's special recipe.

[jumper sage]

1 minute ago, breezy424 said:

Well, heck, I'll always give Chelsea props for coming in third on Survivor.  That's an accomplishment. 

I have watched Survivor every season.  Just goes to show that once a season is over I have no idea who anyone is.

Shep post-surgery - hilarious.  The drugs are the best part of surgery, good times.

[Jextella]

57 minutes ago, SimonSeymour said:

You are not wrong. Lol. but in my defense, I went to college in the mid 90s at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, where Jimmy John’s originated. I’m basically an expert at all things Jimmy John, yet strongly dislike him as a person (reason: he hunts big game in Africa, and I just cannot ever be okay with shooting lions and elephants). 

Ugh.  I will no longer eat at Jimmy John's.

[yourmomiseasy]

Did they really set up cameras and possibly lights just to film Austen picking up take-away?  Pickings must be slim when it comes to things to film.

[scrb]

2 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Did they really set up cameras and possibly lights just to film Austen picking up take-away?  Pickings must be slim when it comes to things to film.

Hey but at least he must have paid.

It's more than he did for Chelsea.

[Brishen]

2 hours ago, SimonSeymour said:

Not really important, but a Jimmy John’s number three is a tuna sandwich. They clearly showed Thomas eating a Vito, aka a number five, as it had salami. Why would get that wrong?!!  Lol

Ashley had the #3, Thomas his "regular." My attention to detail for this show is shameful.

[walnutqueen]

2 hours ago, albarino said:

Ya know, if their parents didn't want random comments about their children, they wouldn't put them on tv, right?  You must understand that.  And I think you do.  And I stand by my comments.  A two year old is way too old for a bottle.  Talk about tooth rot.....

Ya know, children have no say about their parents' decision to put them on TeeVee, or random comments about them, right?  You "MUST" understand that.  And I think you do.  And I stand by my comment about FAS speculation/memes. 

Bottles for 2 year olds and the dreaded tooth rot?  Not much of an outrage for me. Baby teeth fall out no matter what a toddler sucks in their very early years.  Now, if he's still sucking on the tit like Robyn Arryn (GoT) as an adolescent, I'll revisit the issue.  ;-)

[SimonSeymour]

35 minutes ago, Brishen said:

Ashley had the #3, Thomas his "regular." My attention to detail for this show is shameful.

Woah. You’re correct. I just rewatched to check and I have been proved wrong! The number three WAS, in fact, Ashley’s sandwich. 

[yourmomiseasy]

On 6/7/2018 at 9:05 PM, Gem 10 said:

I just read this to my husband and we’re cracking up.  I had a procedure done Memorial Day and was acting nuts on the way home.   I blamed the anesthesia.  Haha.  That cap is charming btw and I wore the surgical socks to bed.

I think it's a known thing that coming off of anesthesia makes you crazy and it seems to me that it is common that it makes you want to buy things.  After one of my mom's mastectomies she gave me her credit card and told me to go buy various pieces of furniture and then was really confused when it was all delivered to the house the following week.  I talked my mom into taking me to Target on the way home from shoulder surgery because I needed TV trays faster than Amazon could bring them and then being Target and me being high AF, who knows what else I bought.

 

14 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Ya know, children have no say about their parents' decision to put them on TeeVee, or random comments about them, right?  You "MUST" understand that.  And I think you do.  And I stand by my comment about FAS speculation/memes. 

Bottles for 2 year olds and the dreaded tooth rot?  Not much of an outrage for me. Baby teeth fall out no matter what a toddler sucks in their very early years.  Now, if he's still sucking on the tit like Robyn Arryn (GoT) as an adolescent, I'll revisit the issue.  ;-)

Maybe he's like Lala from VPR and just needs a bubbie when he's feeling anxious.

[scrb]

1 hour ago, Jextella said:

Ugh.  I will no longer eat at Jimmy John's.

They don't have that chain in my area.

How do they compare to Togo's or Subway?

[Jextella]

1 minute ago, scrb said:

They don't have that chain in my area.

How do they compare to Togo's or Subway?

I don't have Togo's in my area so I'm not sure about that.  I've only been to JJ a few times.  I didn't care for the bread as much as Subway.  

[walnutqueen]

12 minutes ago, yourmomiseasy said:

I think it's a known thing that coming off of anesthesia makes you crazy and it seems to me that it is common that it makes you want to buy things.  After one of my mom's mastectomies she gave me her credit card and told me to go buy various pieces of furniture and then was really confused when it was all delivered to the house the following week.  I talked my mom into taking me to Target on the way home from shoulder surgery because I needed TV trays faster than Amazon could bring them and then being Target and me being high AF, who knows what else I bought.

 

Maybe he's like Lala from VPR and just needs a bubbie when he's feeling anxious.

I've never had a problem coming off anesthesia (mostly dental & driving my own self home); but eons ago I had bilateral arthroscopic TMJ surgery, and they sent me straight to PT with ice packs on both sides of my face.  I kept wondering why everyone on the freeway was staring at me, until I saw myself in the PT office mirror and realized those ice packs looked like two Kotex maxi pads slapped upside my face,  Humiliation complete ...

Suck on a baba like VPR LaLa, but none of that bottle cap lip pumping crap, 'Kay?!

[TheFinalRose]

2 hours ago, SimonSeymour said:

Lol. but in my defense, I went to college in the mid 90s at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, where Jimmy John’s originated.

Just cleared out my daughter's apartment in Champaign the other day as she graduated and it was probably my last time there. I'm going to miss going down there. Fun place. I didn't know Jimmy Johns originated in Champaign. 

 

1 hour ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Did they really set up cameras and possibly lights just to film Austen picking up take-away?  Pickings must be slim when it comes to things to film.

 

1 hour ago, scrb said:

Hey but at least he must have paid.

Seriously. That's his character growth I guess.  Although I did see on the preview for next week that he paid his $400 and got his beer made. But I was very distracted and somewhat concerned with the overly-large garbage can fire that was seen in the background.  

[ozzy]

10 hours ago, b2H said:

But Kathryn, due to her own choices, will always, always, always be under a microscope.  No one will ever give her credit for anything and will look for any slight reason to chastise her.

As I wrote earlier, I am rooting for her to succeed.  The best revenge is success.

Amen you are good people, that's the way to be. I want Everyone to win. Sadly there are TRIFLING haters out there that thrive on negative speculation. Keep on keeping on with that good attitude!

[Kiki777]

17 hours ago, Neurochick said:

Ah, the confederacy.  So basically he's named after someone on the losing side?  Someone who probably didn't want to be part of the US and probably believed in slavery?  Um, no.

For real, I just have trouble understanding certain aspects of 'southern pride' - I remember an episode from season 1 when Cameran was dabbling in real estate and shadowing an agent as she showed a house.  The agent stroked the mantle over the fireplace and smilingly bragged (!) that it had been built by slaves.  I don't recall Cam's reaction but the client was awed and impressed.  Yuck.

[yourmomiseasy]

7 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

I've never had a problem coming off anesthesia (mostly dental & driving my own self home); but eons ago I had bilateral arthroscopic TMJ surgery, and they sent me straight to PT with ice packs on both sides of my face.  I kept wondering why everyone on the freeway was staring at me, until I saw myself in the PT office mirror and realized those ice packs looked like two Kotex maxi pads slapped upside my face,  Humiliation complete ...

Suck on a baba like VPR LaLa, but none of that bottle cap lip pumping crap, 'Kay?!

Is dental surgery the same type of anesthesia though?  I don't think you're allowed to drive yourself home from most surgery surgeries -- you're usually loopy enough that you'd be a danger to yourself and others if driving.  

 

I do find it hilarious that Saint is getting as much grief for sucking a bottle as 27(?) year old Lala did.  They probably are both too old for bottles, but at least Saint isn't the oldest person on Bravo drinking out of one.  This episode focused too much on Thomas and Kathryn's kids for my liking.  They are cute kids, but I think about their life and I just get sad.  And I'm not the type of person who's like "think of the children" at all and I'm not really that empathetic either.  I guess at least they seem happy and well adjusted overall.  Thomas and Kathryn were great at the party.  Hopefully they can keep it up and stop being train wrecks for the sake of the kids.  Maybe they'll be like Frances Bean, she seems to have turned out okay -- not that I'm up to date on what she's up to, so maybe she's done something lame, but she could have been a real mess.

[Giselle]

On ‎6‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 6:54 PM, Neurochick said:

Did Kanye name his son, Saint?

I think Kathryn might be over Thomas...I hope so, if not she should get dragged on Twitter.  She needs to concentrate on her kids and not that zero.

I don't like Kathryn, to me, she's just a glorified babymama.  However, she and Thom-ass have two kids, and if they try to make the best out of a fucked up situation, then it's all good. 

I don't like the dragging of Ashley on this board, but if she can't see that even though Thom-ass and Kathryn have a fucked up situation and are trying to make the best of it, then she needs to step aside. 

Did someone say, "that's in British?"  I didn't know British was another language, thanks for that.

Kathryn, stay away from Shep, he's just a younger version of Thom-ass.

 

 

Isn't spoken British english actually ancient Roman. It's all you ever hear in the movies. ;-)

Shep's mom using a pizza peel as a cutting board? With all that mail box money you think they could afford one.

Katherine looked like an oompa loompa walking out of her apartment with her kids.

Thomas is a pig but I love that he stuck up for his family and you could see that not only did Assley realize that she stepped in it she went all in and kept going. Loved how when she said she would leave he went back to his sandwich.

Edited June 10, 2018 by Giselle
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[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, yourmomiseasy said:

Is dental surgery the same type of anesthesia though?  I don't think you're allowed to drive yourself home from most surgery surgeries -- you're usually loopy enough that you'd be a danger to yourself and others if driving.  

I've had dental surgeries and "surgery surgeries" - the anesthesia with both left me lucid thereafter.  But then, I'm the one who had "laughing gas" during several root canals in my youth - one time the equipment failed, and while my dentist & his nurse were discussing how to move me to another room, I got up (gas mask firmly held against my mouth & nose) and walked into that other room under my own steam - pulling the gas machine behind me.  (Why yes, I AM a beast - we all have a special talent!).  ;-)

 

1 hour ago, Giselle said:

Thomas is a pig but I love that he stuck up for his family and you could see that not only did Assley realize that she stepped in it she went all in and kept going. Loved how when she said she would leave he went back to his sandwich.

One of my favorite moments.  He was ALL about the sandwich, and when she threatened to stay in Santa Barbara, he nonchalantly said "Go ahead".  Bye, Felicia!

[ProudMary]

Speaking of Thomas' and Ashley's sandwiches, in Dustin Waters' Charleston City Paper episode recap linked above, he mentions big continuity issues with the sandwiches.  I had to take a call midway through watching the ep, so now I definitely have to do a rewatch!

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The best part of this whole scene is that Thomas and Ashley punctuate their heated exchange by biting into comically large Jimmy John's sandwiches. Also, the sandwiches create super obvious continuity errors. You can see how their conversation was edited and rearranged by how much of the sandwich Thomas has eaten. He goes from a full sub, to the last quarter, right back to a full sandwich by the end of the scene. Some script supervisor owes me their paycheck over that one. I’ll let you know next week if I win a prize.

[escatefromny]

On 6/8/2018 at 1:58 AM, itsadryheat said:

Listened to Heather McDonalds Juicy Scoop podcast today - she had an interesting take/comment/listeners scoop regarding Ashley; connection to Ashley and Landon. Hard to believe, but definitely Juicy.

Thanks for the tip on the podcast ITSADRYHEAT.

For those that didn’t get a chance to listen:

The gossip item said that Landon has worked as an “escort” in LA and met her husband and Ashley through that service (or whatever).  Ashley has apparently been a gold digger for ages, she’s had several much older, weathy “boyfriends.” Landon apparently made the introduction to Thomas and they made some kind of arrangement.  However, when Thomas didn’t sign his contract to be on the show Ashley threatened him (with exposure?).  Following the allegations against Thomas, she is basically blackmailing him to keep her around under threat of spilling all the tea.

Not sure what to make of this.  If she allegedly has the power, why allow yourself to be shown as a desperate, psycho, doormat?

[walnutqueen]

21 minutes ago, escatefromny said:

Thanks for the tip on the podcast ITSADRYHEAT.

For those that didn’t get a chance to listen:

The gossip item said that Landon has worked as an “escort” in LA and met her husband and Ashley through that service (or whatever).  Ashley has apparently been a gold digger for ages, she’s had several much older, weathy “boyfriends.” Landon apparently made the introduction to Thomas and they made some kind of arrangement.  However, when Thomas didn’t sign his contract to be on the show Ashley threatened him (with exposure?).  Following the allegations against Thomas, she is basically blackmailing him to keep her around under threat of spilling all the tea.

Not sure what to make of this.  If she allegedly has the power, why allow yourself to be shown as a desperate, psycho, doormat?

Bless you for this JUICY nugget - I'm hangry enough to bite at the gossip , but too darned lazy to go looking for it myself!   

Apparently, Assley & Thomas are quite adept at fucking themselves over, without the assistance of editing monkeys.

[Gem 10]

11 hours ago, SimonSeymour said:

Woah. You’re correct. I just rewatched to check and I have been proved wrong! The number three WAS, in fact, Ashley’s sandwich. 

Looks like a Thomas had #13.  I saw the salami, haha.  After watching that, husband went out and bought 2 heroes.

[itsadryheat]

4 hours ago, escatefromny said:

Thanks for the tip on the podcast ITSADRYHEAT.

For those that didn’t get a chance to listen:

The gossip item said that Landon has worked as an “escort” in LA and met her husband and Ashley through that service (or whatever).  Ashley has apparently been a gold digger for ages, she’s had several much older, weathy “boyfriends.” Landon apparently made the introduction to Thomas and they made some kind of arrangement.  However, when Thomas didn’t sign his contract to be on the show Ashley threatened him (with exposure?).  Following the allegations against Thomas, she is basically blackmailing him to keep her around under threat of spilling all the tea.

Not sure what to make of this.  If she allegedly has the power, why allow yourself to be shown as a desperate, psycho, doormat?

Thanks for the Recap Escatefromny!  I didn't include because I wanted to listen again for accuracy as I was walking my dogs when I heard it first time.  Since I took notes I'll share the first scoop. A woman who is from Santa Barbara (where Ashley is from) shared that she is a known local golddigger, reminded everyone as  Anna Nicole Smith, always flirty and with very old men as boyfriends. One a restaurant owner and one a nightclub owner-both much older and very wealthy.

Hard to imagine Landon as an escort - but loving everything about this Thomas/Ashley "romance" and this so juicy Ashley scoop. Looks like old long faced Thomas is receiving a big dose of Karma.

Highly recommend Juicy Scoop podcast (twice a week) but agree with heatherchandler that the live episodes aren't as enjoyable. The Hot Dirt on Ashley episode is # 242 Live From Philly.

[PrincessPurrsALot]

Charmers,

A friendly reminder - Snark the show, not each other.  This is a board about a television show.  Therefore people are free to comment on the people (and animals and locations and events and actions) shown on the television show.  If you find someone's opinions objectionable, look away or use the Ignore Feature.  Remember, Be Civil is the prime objective at PTV.

As always, if you feel someone has gone over the line, report the post.  The Mods will review it.

Thanks.  Now let's get back to talking about continuity errors in sandwich scenes!  

[albarino]

My problem with Saint still on the bottle:

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The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommends starting weaning from the bottle by 12 months of age and for bottles to be completely phased out by 18 months (source). However, the earlier they are phased out, the better.

 

If they are being raised by nannies, they should know this and be all over this.  Heck, Ashley, as a nurse should have her general concerns.  WRT tooth decay, dentists don't let the teeth just rot away, they fill the cavities.  Adults don't even like going to the dentist......

[HunterHunted]

6 hours ago, escatefromny said:

Thanks for the tip on the podcast ITSADRYHEAT.

For those that didn’t get a chance to listen:

The gossip item said that Landon has worked as an “escort” in LA and met her husband and Ashley through that service (or whatever).  Ashley has apparently been a gold digger for ages, she’s had several much older, weathy “boyfriends.” Landon apparently made the introduction to Thomas and they made some kind of arrangement.  However, when Thomas didn’t sign his contract to be on the show Ashley threatened him (with exposure?).  Following the allegations against Thomas, she is basically blackmailing him to keep her around under threat of spilling all the tea.

Not sure what to make of this.  If she allegedly has the power, why allow yourself to be shown as a desperate, psycho, doormat?

Landon's ex, James Maby, sure knows how pick 'em. When he got together with Stacey Dash, she was flat broke and he was her only means of support. They then had a kid together and broke up. He married Landon after that. Thomas also had a kid with a broke loon who seemed to more interested in fame than anything eise. Thomas tried to get with Landon too. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but the similarities are weirding me out. Are Stacey Dash and Kathryn that similar? I wouldn't have thought so until now. Are James Maby and Thomas that similar? Thomas seems very smitten by Ashley who has all of Kathryn's crazy and all of Landon's smug passive agression. Hopefully, James Maby never meets Ashley. It would be pistols at dawn as Thomas and James duel over Ashley, who combines the worst traits of the women they've been involved with.

[halkatla]

Craig is my everything (on tv), and I could sustain on him just making cat-pilllows and telling his therapist that he´s a fantastic manipulator who constantly lies (he´s so cute). But in reality, I almost forget Craig when it comes to Ashley and Thomas. They are like a scary movie, a scary movie that I would feel compelled to go on imdb to vote up.

I think if a spirit was to visit Thomas and ask him if he wished he could get together with Kathryn as a family and Ashley never happened, he would say yes. Their kids are great and they certainly share their mother´s looks.

[Lollo22]

8 hours ago, escatefromny said:

Thanks for the tip on the podcast ITSADRYHEAT.

For those that didn’t get a chance to listen:

The gossip item said that Landon has worked as an “escort” in LA and met her husband and Ashley through that service (or whatever).  Ashley has apparently been a gold digger for ages, she’s had several much older, weathy “boyfriends.” Landon apparently made the introduction to Thomas and they made some kind of arrangement.  However, when Thomas didn’t sign his contract to be on the show Ashley threatened him (with exposure?).  Following the allegations against Thomas, she is basically blackmailing him to keep her around under threat of spilling all the tea.

Not sure what to make of this.  If she allegedly has the power, why allow yourself to be shown as a desperate, psycho, doormat?

I can believe this story. Tamara Tattles has also reported on this a long time ago.

As for Ashley acting desperate, the show was filmed some time ago, before the allegations came up. I think she was turning up for the cameras and she seemed high. 

[Hockey Addict]

Hockey Addict loves this tea being spilt about Trav and Ashley *grabs cup*. More?

[KittyKat133]

I want to apologize if I offended anyone by asking if there was something wrong with st. 

It was my first time posting on this forum and I wasn’t sure if it was something that was openly discussed by Katherine and Thomas or not. I am the mother of a 3 year old and 8 month old and am around kids a the time. I don’t speculate that it was anything caused by the parents. That was not my intention, but it would be a shame if they have all that money and if there is something wrong to not get him the help he deserves. 

All kids are different, I gotta day I don’t see anything “wrong” with him per Se, some kids just act different. Plus I was not asking with mail intent but legitimate concern. 

What I was really asking about were what looked liked scratches all over his face at the party. I thought maybe I missed something. 

Tbats all, just wanted to clear it up. 

Mal- intent 

[lezlers]

On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 7:14 AM, Rlb8031 said:

I thought that the kids' connection to Kathryn felt right for someone they see once a week or so for a few hours. I don't get the "no connection" vibe that a lot of people cite here. Kathryn seems to be very attentive and focused on the kids and they seem comfortable and at ease with her.

What I find to be more interesting is the kids relationship with Thomas. As the custodial parent who is with them more than any other adult, the kids don't seem to be bonded to him much more than they are to Kathryn. When he approached the car at the party Kensie basically ignored him. Neither of the two kids seem to be attached to him in the way that I've seen with other men who are primary caregivers. I'm used to kids running to their dad to share stuff or trying to drag them into play or even simply engaging with them in conversation. I haven't seen examples where the kids initiate any contact with Thomas, which is what I would expect would happen when they are so young.

I totally agree.  I guess I'm just not seeing what everyone else is with the lack of bond.   I think she adores them and it shows and vice versa.  I think she's got them a lot more than once a week now, they've been shown spending the night at her house this season.  And with all that's going down in TRav's world, it's fixin' to be a lot more soon, I think!

I think Katheryn appears obviously WAY more hands on with the kids than TRav.   When they're at his house, they're with nannies 90% of the time, I'd guess.  Hell, he'd previously had them living in a separate HOUSE with nannies!  He doesn't give a shit about the kids, he just wants to control Kathryn.

And her flat affect is from the psych meds.  It's a very common side effect.

[KittyKat133]

3 hours ago, lezlers said:

I totally agree.  I guess I'm just not seeing what everyone else is with the lack of bond.   I think she adores them and it shows and vice versa.  I think she's got them a lot more than once a week now, they've been shown spending the night at her house this season.  And with all that's going down in TRav's world, it's fixin' to be a lot more soon, I think!

I think Katheryn appears obviously WAY more hands on with the kids than TRav.   When they're at his house, they're with nannies 90% of the time, I'd guess.  Hell, he'd previously had them living in a separate HOUSE with nannies!  He doesn't give a shit about the kids, he just wants to control Kathryn.

And her flat affect is from the psych meds.  It's a very common side effect.

I agree, I think it seems like she really loves those kids. I think she was very hands on with them. Really ignoring her guests to play with her kids. 

[yourmomiseasy]

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

I totally agree.  I guess I'm just not seeing what everyone else is with the lack of bond.   I think she adores them and it shows and vice versa.  I think she's got them a lot more than once a week now, they've been shown spending the night at her house this season.  And with all that's going down in TRav's world, it's fixin' to be a lot more soon, I think!

I think Katheryn appears obviously WAY more hands on with the kids than TRav.   When they're at his house, they're with nannies 90% of the time, I'd guess.  Hell, he'd previously had them living in a separate HOUSE with nannies!  He doesn't give a shit about the kids, he just wants to control Kathryn.

And her flat affect is from the psych meds.  It's a very common side effect.

It's been said that Thomas was actually sleeping in the guest house with them and just used the main house for filming.  He then sold that amazing house to buy something more kid friendly.  If he was happily going about his business with the kids exiled to the guest house, why bother selling and moving?

[Major Bigtime]

On 6/9/2018 at 12:37 AM, jumper sage said:

I have watched Survivor every season.  Just goes to show that once a season is over I have no idea who anyone is.

It was the season when Kim won, if that’s any help.

Kathryn and Shep are being set up by production to have a fling next season. Thomas and Ashley will be shown the door, due to his criminal activities.

Ashley has no concept of how to get a man to want her. Play hard to get, don’t harp on him constantly. Realizing this is all made up for TV as I type....

Kathryn and her children need to get off the show, and start building a relationship, a family. She really has no clue how to be a mother on a day-to-day basis. Cam can help her with that, and her friends can jump in to babysit when she needs them.

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, Major Bigtime said:

It was the season when Kim won, if that’s any help.

Nope!  I am always into the show while it's running but afterwards not so much.

[Sage47]

13 hours ago, lezlers said:

I totally agree.  I guess I'm just not seeing what everyone else is with the lack of bond.   I think she adores them and it shows and vice versa.  I think she's got them a lot more than once a week now, they've been shown spending the night at her house this season.  And with all that's going down in TRav's world, it's fixin' to be a lot more soon, I think!

I think Katheryn appears obviously WAY more hands on with the kids than TRav.   When they're at his house, they're with nannies 90% of the time, I'd guess.  Hell, he'd previously had them living in a separate HOUSE with nannies!  He doesn't give a shit about the kids, he just wants to control Kathryn.

And her flat affect is from the psych meds.  It's a very common side effect.

Kathryn is doing good this season and I wish her well but she has never been a warm, maternal type. I’m fact, I have seen downright coldness in her a few times, pre and post kids. Like being indifferent to Jennifer’s crying over her sick baby. 

She used to shop online while she let her nanny do all of the hands on work with Kensie. I saw Thomas doing plenty for his kids-baths, etc. I have seen a few of Kathryn’s interactions with her kids that left me with a worried feeling. Kathryn just isn’t anyone I would put up on a pedestal. There is something missing deep down inside her. 

I actually believe that she never visited Saint in the hospital. And why the hell would Thomas tell her to stay away? BS. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by Sage47

[lezlers]

On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 10:38 PM, Brishen said:

Ashley had the #3, Thomas his "regular." My attention to detail for this show is shameful.

I was cracking up at her fake "bite" of her sandwich.   I see you and your anorexic ass, Ashley.   I never understood people who would gladly ruin their reputation and strive to be hated by hundreds of thousands of people for some fame and money.  She's trying to play it off like she was just acting for the show but that kind of makes me dislike her even MORE.  So you're screwing with people and saying things to hurt the mother of your boyfriend's children on national television for shits and giggles?  Any way you slice it, she's just a bad person.

Edited June 10, 2018 by lezlers

[lezlers]

2 hours ago, Sage47 said:

Kathryn is doing good this season and I wish her well but she has never been a warm, maternal type. I’m fact, I have seen downright coldness in her a few times, pre and post kids. Like being indifferent to Jennifer’s crying over her sick baby. 

She used to shop online while she let her nannydo all of the hands on work with Kensie. I saw Thomas doing plenty for his kids-baths, etc. I have seen a few of Kathryn’s interactions with her kids that left me with a worried feeling. Kathryn just isn’t anyone I would put on a pedestal. There is something missing deep down inside her. 

I actually believe that she never visited Saint in the hospital. And why the hell would Thomas tell her to stay away? BS. 

Was any of that this season?  This is my first season watching.  Isn't this her first season clean and sober?  That would certainly explain a lot.   I'm basing my opinions on what we're seeing now, this season, when she's clean. 

Of course she never visited Saint in the hospital, she said that herself.  She said she wasn't allowed and still seemed angry about it.  I don't see any reason to disbelieve her when she said she wasn't allowed to be there per the custody agreement.

[AntAnn]

3 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

Kathryn and Shep are being set up by production to have a fling next season.

Oh, I hope not. I just can’t see them together romantically, even if it’s just a producer driven story line. 

[Gam2]

Let’s all remember that we see what the producers allow us to see. We have absolutely no idea what happens off camera. And that can be a dangerous road to go down when we make assumptions about what is NOT shown.

[slowpoked]

On 6/8/2018 at 8:04 PM, RHJunkie said:

For some reason, I thought Chelsea and Victoria's 'friendship' was more like casual acquaintances, not actual friends. I don't know how I missed all of the references of their friendship and seeing the old pictures of the two hanging out - it's hard for me to believe that Victoria didn't know that Chelsea and Austen were a thing or had some semblance of the fact that Chelsea was really into him. She seems like a shitty friend. Chelsea should cut her losses with both of them. Of course be civil, but don't give Austen all of that attention. 

No, of course she knew. That's why I think she's a crappy friend. I can buy Austen's "excuse" of not knowing that Victoria and Chelsea were friends when he first got involved with her. But there's no excuse on Victoria's part.

And she knew what it meant if she gets involved with Austen *hint hint* she can be in the show if they last enough during filming. She may be looking to cash in too. She made her private Instagram public recently and welcomed all of the barrage of new followers. Maybe angling hard to get that sponsorship from Diff Sunglasses.

Plus, she seems to be a stealthy bitch. Word around town is that she was saying she was a better match for Austen because she's an optometrist while Chelsea is "just" a hairstylist. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I'm not a Kathryn fan at all, but, I do appreciate a child's birthday party that is in line with child's interest and abilities. I'm not convinced that Kathryn came up with the idea, but, I thought it was nice.  The over the top shenanigans that parents dream up to feed their own ego is just ridiculous. The activities should be about the child's amusement and not too over the top for a toddler. And, I was impressed that she dressed the children nicely and like children. It was refreshing. (Enough already of babies dressed like 20 year-old rag-a-muffins. Not on this show, but, in society in general.)

Can someone comment on Chelsie's story regarding her upbringing?  She got so emotional when she went to her old house. She said she was 5 when they left and that her mom had to work 3 jobs as they struggled....so, did they continue to live in Hilton Head?  Did her mom pay for those riding lessons and horse competitions?  Just curious.  

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, slowpoked said:

No, of course she knew. That's why I think she's a crappy friend. I can buy Austen's "excuse" of not knowing that Victoria and Chelsea were friends when he first got involved with her. But there's no excuse on Victoria's part.

And she knew what it meant if she gets involved with Austen *hint hint* she can be in the show if they last enough during filming. She may be looking to cash in too. She made her private Instagram public recently and welcomed all of the barrage of new followers. Maybe angling hard to get that sponsorship from Diff Sunglasses.

Plus, she seems to be a stealthy bitch. Word around town is that she was saying she was a better match for Austen because she's an optometrist while Chelsea is "just" a hairstylist. 

Yeah, and is why I don't feel sorry for her one bit. Austen was in fact seeing both women at the same time. The onus was on Victoria to tell Austen that she and Chelsea are friends and then ask Chelsea what the status of their relationship was. Some people are fine with friends dating their exes and I won't judge that, but Victoria was all around shady and her insecurities about Austen and Chelsea hanging out together are well deserved because she ain't no friend and she should be worried about karma. It also pisses me off that Austen is so damn immature. He basically admitted that he's trying with Victoria because Chelsea isn't asking him to choose her. He gets along really well with Chelsea. Their vibe and attraction seems easy and natural but he doesn't think a relationship with her is worth acting like an adult and learning how to be with someone in the most mundane and simplest of ways. He complains about her liking to be home and in bed early but maybe if you're willing to spend more nights in enjoying each other's company, she'll decide to spend more nights out to do things you like. Maybe instead of complaining that she's not romantic, consider that she realizes you're an immature idiot and she doesn't want to make herself completely vulnerable to you because you've given her no reason to think you deserve that.

With friends like Victoria, you don't need enemies.

[RHJunkie]

36 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm not a Kathryn fan at all, but, I do appreciate a child's birthday party that is in line with child's interest and abilities. I'm not convinced that Kathryn came up with the idea, but, I thought it was nice.  The over the top shenanigans that parents dream up to feed their own ego is just ridiculous. The activities should be about the child's amusement and not too over the top for a toddler. And, I was impressed that she dressed the children nicely and like children. It was refreshing. (Enough already of babies dressed like 20 year-old rag-a-muffins. Not on this show, but, in society in general.)

Can someone comment on Chelsie's story regarding her upbringing?  She got so emotional when she went to her old house. She said she was 5 when they left and that her mom had to work 3 jobs as they struggled....so, did they continue to live in Hilton Head?  Did her mom pay for those riding lessons and horse competitions?  Just curious.  

If I remember correctly, Chelsea's mother remarried and they moved to the home that we saw in Hilton Head. Her stepfather died when she was 8 and because her mother wasn't legally married to her stepfather, they lost everything. So they had to move into a really small home and her mother worked 3 jobs to get by. I don't know if the duplex was also in Hilton Head but I get the impression that it was more humble than the home she was living in with her stepfather.

As far as the money for riding lessons and competitions, maybe her father sent money to them that went toward those expenses, or maybe her mother worked those 3 jobs so that she could afford to continue supporting her children's passions. I can't say the latter is what her situation is, but generally speaking, I think it's believe that a parent would make that kind of sacrifice in order to keep some sort of normalcy in their children's lives when it's being disrupted with chaos and/or changes that can be traumatic.

[DrSparkles]

On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 2:02 PM, yourmomiseasy said:

It's been said that Thomas was actually sleeping in the guest house with them and just used the main house for filming.  He then sold that amazing house to buy something more kid friendly.  If he was happily going about his business with the kids exiled to the guest house, why bother selling and moving?

Appearances? (not paid-type appearances, but re: how it LOOKS to people, which is all-important to these people)

[Rlb8031]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm not a Kathryn fan at all, but, I do appreciate a child's birthday party that is in line with child's interest and abilities. I'm not convinced that Kathryn came up with the idea, but, I thought it was nice.  The over the top shenanigans that parents dream up to feed their own ego is just ridiculous. The activities should be about the child's amusement and not too over the top for a toddler. And, I was impressed that she dressed the children nicely and like children. It was refreshing. (Enough already of babies dressed like 20 year-old rag-a-muffins. Not on this show, but, in society in general.)

Can someone comment on Chelsie's story regarding her upbringing?  She got so emotional when she went to her old house. She said she was 5 when they left and that her mom had to work 3 jobs as they struggled....so, did they continue to live in Hilton Head?  Did her mom pay for those riding lessons and horse competitions?  Just curious.  

As tired as I am of this, I find Whitney's dressing like an 11-year old boy all the time to be equally exhausting. The trucker hats and his "cool" hipster/rocker outfits are ludicrous on a 50+ guy. All of his clothes feel highly curated, like they are fresh out of a stylist trunk, and not clothing he actually owns and wears regularly.

[nexxie]

On 6/7/2018 at 10:11 PM, Bronzedog said:

I hope all the bunnies around Charleston are still alive and well.  I worry about them.

I’m not sure how to explain it, but, Kathryn never seems all that maternal with her kids.  She somehow doesn’t seem like their mother.

True - she seems more like an aunt who truly loves them but doesn’t know much about kids and tries too hard around them.

[Natalie68]

On 6/7/2018 at 10:58 PM, itsadryheat said:

Pretty Please Bravo - Keep Thomas the (alleged) Rapist and Ashley the (alleged) Bunny Boiler. Thay deserve each other and it will be fun to watch both get what they deserve.

Listened to Heather McDonalds Juicy Scoop podcast today - she had an interesting take/comment/listeners scoop regarding Ashley; connection to Ashley and Landon. Hard to believe, but definitely Juicy.

Any hints about what she said?

[Natalie68]

On 6/8/2018 at 6:57 AM, TexasGal said:

I have a hard time feeling any kind of bad for Victoria if she really is/was Chelsea's friend and then started dating her ex.  

Between this and the sleep s'more eating, I think whatever she'd taking to help stay calm and not medicate with (non-prescription) drugs or alcohol is having side effects.

Ambien and other sleep aids have caused people to sleep eat.