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Ms Blue Jay
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Everyone (Anne Hathaway is the latest) coming to Jeremy Strong's defense as if he's been burned at the cross is really making me roll my eyes.  He had a New Yorker profile written about him.  Most act

Ms Blue Jay
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There were many posts defending Jeremy besides them.  I just picked the most famous example at the time.  There are more; I didn't make them up, but I'm not going to link every single one. Here's

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I don't think the point is that it's a real threat. It's that as the writers they're the ones that create the shows people are hooked on and don't want spoiled. Too much money goes to CEOs and not the

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2 hours ago, Hera said:

It was telling to me that none of the quotes they got from people who knew him seemed especially positive about him personally.

I’m a big fan of Kundera’s work. There is a certain joylessness in Strong’s intensity, a bleakness that even Kundera avoids. 

Combining this discussion with the discussion of whether HBO would kill off the character, I think they absolutely would. Not only is he creating a difficult workplace for others, he’s an insurance liability.

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poeticlicensed

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12 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

He seems like a nightmare.

I started reading the profile and had to stop. 

One thing I noticed prior to the season starting was the nearly the entire cast was out doing publicity together and Strong was not there. It also seemed like the cast chose their words carefully when asked about Strong. 

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Lady S.

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8 hours ago, Ellaria Sand said:

Interesting analysis of the last scene in Episode 8 and what it can mean going forward.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/12/7/22822667/succession-episode-8-season-3-chiantishire-kendall-recap-dead

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In the argument against death that first shot is definitely from the finale as Shiv's wearing the same costume (a white dress at someone else's wedding! of course she would) as in the new ep stills, and that's clearly the actual wedding reception we did not see before. Although I think the further paragraphs about how drowning works, and more importantly, how the show works should be even more convincing. Despite the allusion to monarchy with the title, this show is not that much like Game of Thrones.

 

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Hera

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On 12/6/2021 at 7:48 PM, Hera said:

It was telling to me that none of the quotes they got from people who knew him seemed especially positive about him personally.

6 hours ago, Avabelle said:

Aaron Sorkin responds to the New Yorker profile defending Jeremy Strong.

I wonder if other quotes were taken out of context.

Well, I take it back—apparently people do have nice things to say about Jeremy Strong that aren't just about his dress sense. You'd never have known it from the profile. I normally think Aaron Sorkin is kind of a blowhard, but that was a thoroughly decent thing to do.

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Ms Blue Jay

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Everyone (Anne Hathaway is the latest) coming to Jeremy Strong's defense as if he's been burned at the cross is really making me roll my eyes.  He had a New Yorker profile written about him.  Most actors would kill for that publicity.  It's so over the top and ridiculous.

However, I do think it's cute that some social media accounts out there have taken it upon themselves to show Jeremy having positive interactions with the cast backstage/off filming.  

I just really don't think he's been like, persecuted.  It was one article and people need to get a grip.  Most people roll their eyes and move on to the next thing.  

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38 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Everyone (Anne Hathaway is the latest) coming to Jeremy Strong's defense as if he's been burned at the cross is really making me roll my eyes.  He had a New Yorker profile written about him.  Most actors would kill for that publicity.  It's so over the top and ridiculous.

However, I do think it's cute that some social media accounts out there have taken it upon themselves to show Jeremy having positive interactions with the cast backstage/off filming.  

I just really don't think he's been like, persecuted.  It was one article and people need to get a grip.  Most people roll their eyes and move on to the next thing.  

They all need to shut the eff up. Alec Baldwin needs to heed the same advice. 

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caitmcg

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10 hours ago, Avabelle said:

Aaron Sorkin responds to the New Yorker profile defending Jeremy Strong.

I wonder if other quotes were taken out of context.

It doesn’t sound as if it was out of context, per se. Schulman used it to illustrate how intensely Strong gets into character, to the point of sometimes being ridiculously impractical, and Sorkin's upset at the fact that he didn’t include every counterpoint his replies included. This is not the first article to discuss how “method” Jeremy Strong is, or how intense he comes off, and it’s hardly the skewering his high-profile defenders are making it out to be.

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Avabelle

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They were definitely going for an angle though which is Strong is a difficult method actor who doesn’t get on with people. To make that point they printed one answer Sorkin gave out of five. Had they included all questions it would have been obvious that his quote about the tear gas was meant with humour but as that didn’t suit the angle they left it off.

I haven’t seen anyone bar Anne Hathaway and Sorkin defend him. I can see why Sorkin did as he wanted to clarify what he said. Not sure why Anne did. 

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braziliangirl

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https://www.indiewire.com/2021/12/succession-jeremy-strong-interview-kendall-roy-drowning-1234683939/

I liked this interview. 

I think Jeremy is right.  Kendall is tragic (just like Gatsby is because he keeps pursuing something that does not exist). And even though I laugh at the series when I do it's a mashup of finding it funny and nerve-racking because they are so out of touch with reality and amoral but also full of sadness and lovelessness. Most of the characters are so unloved. 

I thought the New Yorker piece was slightly making fun of him and implying people don't like to work with him (and that's fine I guess). But I wouldn't like to see a friend whom I respected being portraited like he's sort of a joke.  It's not a flattering profile (and it doesn't have to be). So I don't see what's the big deal that some of his friends wanted to say different things about him and defend him. Especially Anne Hathaway who was made up (for a long time) to seem insufferable as opposed to Jenniffer Lawrence "relaxed attitude" about work and life in general. 

 

 

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aghst

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I don't think the writer was making fun of him so much as pointing out that his approach is so different than the rest of the cast or other actors in general that they may feel alienated from him.

And vice versa.

I remember season 1, they were saying he was so method that he had them pour ice water on him so that he couple play the hyperthermia, confused Kendall, coming out of that lake and sneaking back into the villa.

They weren't saying his approach was weird, that he was so dedicated to the character.

Turns out that's his mode all the time.

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Article on the Italian villas on which they shot the Italy episodes, S03E08 and S03E09.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/succession-filming-locations-italy-villas-season-three-1235061471/

 

La Foce is partially a public venue, where you can visit the gardens for 10 Euros.  They really didn't show an overhead of the manicured gardens.

Nearby there is an iconic winding road lined with cypresses.  Drone shots would have been stunning but I don't think they wanted to detract from the characters having their convos.

Needless to say, they got access to places which only the 1% can afford.

But it's not just the beauty of these place as there is great history, like the previous people in charge of one of these villas hiding Jews from Nazis in the gardens.

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Ms Blue Jay

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On 12/12/2021 at 11:17 AM, Avabelle said:

I haven’t seen anyone bar Anne Hathaway and Sorkin defend him. I can see why Sorkin did as he wanted to clarify what he said. Not sure why Anne did. 

There were many posts defending Jeremy besides them.  I just picked the most famous example at the time.  There are more; I didn't make them up, but I'm not going to link every single one.

Here's some:   

They are acting like someone tried to kill him.  It's ridiculous.

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braziliangirl

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10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

There were many posts defending Jeremy besides them.  I just picked the most famous example at the time.  There are more; I didn't make them up, but I'm not going to link every single one.

Here's some:   

They are acting like someone tried to kill him.  It's ridiculous.

But Rachel Shukert posted other tweets actually making fun of Aaron Sorkin being mad about being rightly quoted and said the profiler was at the top of his game. (and she's hardly A-list). So how is she acting like "someone tried to kill him"?

Maybe I didn't see that many tweets from A-list Hollywood defending him. I saw Vincent D'Onofrio, Jessica Chastain, Anne Hatawhay, Adam McCay and Sorkin. A few pieces from columnists line Anne Petersen and that's it, 

 

 

 

 

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Ms Blue Jay

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All that happened is that people lightly mocked Jeremy Strong after that profile.  There was some light mocking online about how he's a method actor.  So?  He'll live.  Having a bunch of A listers come together to passionately defend him online is an extremely disproportionate response.

"Blue check users" online have some responsibility.  They have legions of fans who will bully anyone they stand against, like the person who wrote that New Yorker profile.  Who simply wrote a New Yorker profile!  Why not use that responsibility for something important, like bringing attention to serious causes, drawing attention to serious inequalities in Hollywood, etc.  No - so many of them decided to break their silence to come together to defend Jeremy Strong for being the subject of a New Yorker profile that he willingly sat for.  Jeremy himself hasn't even complained about the profile!   Maybe he loved it!  Who cares!  It's not going to ruin him in Hollywood!  Also, every example in the article had a source and every source was cited.  It wasn't made up.

 

1 hour ago, peachmangosteen said:

It's reminding me of when they had everyone from Marvel come out and defend Chris Pratt just because he lost that 'Who is the Worst Chris?' meme thing. It's all so stupid lol.

Like somebody I follow said online, the way these people come together to defend one of their own for having a minor inconvenience.

 

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buttersister

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It was "Aaron Sorkin asked me to post this" that made me LOL. I must have read a different New Yorker profile, mine was interesting if you're interested in method acting or Jeremy Strong. Kendall Roy is an excellent performance.

I've seen/read Brian Cox complain a bit about it (reminiscent of Olivier about Hoffman in Marathon Man), but also Cox straight out has admired Strong's performances. 

For anyone unfamiliar with the MM story, Dustin Hoffman went without sleep and used other stress factors for his performance in the dentist chair. Lord Olivier's reaction was to lean in and basically ask, Why don't you just try acting?

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Ms Blue Jay

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15 hours ago, buttersister said:

It was "Aaron Sorkin asked me to post this" that made me LOL. I must have read a different New Yorker profile, mine was interesting if you're interested in method acting or Jeremy Strong. Kendall Roy is an excellent performance.

That's the thing.  It's okay for a profile to come out and for people to have different interpretations.  Some people think it's interesting, some people muse that he takes his work seriously, some people mock him (not a crime by the way), some people discuss method acting and its positives and negatives, some people don't care.

This discourse is okay.  It's okay.

Instead, the A-List Avengers decide that this is the cause they're all going to come together to get up in arms about, it's just so damn dramatic.

This is definitely one of the parts that got the most mocking online, LOL

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“Basically, in order for Jeremy to have his fantasy of meeting Al Pacino play out, he nearly bankrupted a hundred-year-old college-theatre company,” an alumnus said. “But he had one wonderful night of getting to hang out with Al Pacino.”

Also the part where he kind of implies that he's playing a fake role of the husband at home.  Among several others.

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nb360

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This is not about Succession specifically but about a Succession-like family, the Sacklers. The Sacklers have been in the news the past few years because of the family's role in Purdue Pharma, Oxycontin, and the opioid crisis.

I saw a documentary on the opioid crisis and the Sacklers, and I just wondered how much the writers/producers of the show are drawing upon what's been reported on that family, if at all...

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-are-the-sacklers-wealth-philanthropy-oxycontin-photos-2019-1

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BC4ME

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Are we allowed to say congratulations to the creators, writers, cast and crew of Succession for the best drama on TV win at the Golden Globes? And to Jeromy Strong and Sara Snook on their best actor and best supporting actress wins? I know the ceremony was not televised because of controversy, but the wins are still to be congratulated.

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Ms Blue Jay

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I wanted Kieran to win!  Oh well.

I'm finally putting it together that Comfrey on Succession / Dasha Nekrasova / Sailor Socialism are all the same person.

I won't link to the videos and articles, because they are pretty political and I'm not sure if I can, so I'll just say they're easy to find if you look.

 

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ProudMary

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Wow!

The Directors Guild of America has revealed the nominees for its 2022 awards in the TV, commercial and documentary categories.

HBO’s Succession swept the drama race, earning all five slots in the dramatic series category. 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dga-awards-2022-tv-commercial-documentary-nominations-nominees-list-1235081364/

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Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Dramatic Series

KEVIN BRAY Succession, “Retired Janitors of Idaho” (HBO)

Mr. Bray’s Directorial Team:

Unit Production Managers: Gabrielle Mahon, Scott Ferguson
First Assistant Director: John Silvestri
Second Assistant Director: Nicholas Notte
Second Second Assistant Directors: Jimmy Rosario, Nicole Payson
Location Manager: Paul Eskenazi

MARK MYLOD Succession, “All the Bells Say” (HBO)

Mr. Mylod’s Directorial Team:

Unit Production Managers: Gabrielle Mahon, Scott Ferguson
First Assistant Director: Christo Morse
Second Assistant Directors: Michelle Flevotomas, Nicholas Notte
Location Manager: Paul Eskenazi

ANDRIJ PAREKH Succession, “What It Takes” (HBO)

Mr. Parekh’s Directorial Team:

Unit Production Managers: Gabrielle Mahon, Scott Ferguson
First Assistant Director: Christo Morse
Second Assistant Director: Michelle Flevotomas
Second Second Assistant Directors: Jimmy Rosario, Nicole Payson
Location Manager: Paul Eskenazi

ROBERT PULCINI & SHARI SPRINGER BERMAN Succession, “Lion in the Meadow” (HBO)

Mr. Pulcini & Ms. Berman’s Directorial Team:

Unit Production Managers: Gabrielle Mahon, Scott Ferguson
First Assistant Director: Christo Morse
Second Assistant Director: Michelle Flevotomas
Second Second Assistant Director: Jimmy Rosario
Additional Second Assistant Director: Nicole Payson
Location Manager: Paul Eskenazi

LORENE SCAFARIA Succession, “Too Much Birthday” (HBO)

Ms. Scafaria’s Directorial Team:

Unit Production Managers: Gabrielle Mahon, Scott Ferguson
First Assistant Director: John Silvestri
Second Assistant Director: Nicholas Notte
Second Second Assistant Directors: Jimmy Rosario, Nicole Payson
Additional Second Assistant Director: Matt O’Shea
Location Manager: Paul Eskenazi

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caitmcg

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4 hours ago, ProudMary said:

Wow!

The Directors Guild of America has revealed the nominees for its 2022 awards in the TV, commercial and documentary categories.

HBO’s Succession swept the drama race, earning all five slots in the dramatic series category. 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dga-awards-2022-tv-commercial-documentary-nominations-nominees-list-1235081364/

Gee, think the show will eke out a win?

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xaxat

xaxat

Corporate Lawyer Breaks Down Succession Business Deals. A eal life version of Gerri breaks it down. 

It reminded me that the show started out acquiring a social media company to being acquired by one.

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aghst

aghst

Just started watching The Murdochs on CNN.  It’s based on a NY Times magazine article about the Murdoch family.  This covers mostly the period when the Murdoch heirs are all grown up, two brothers and a sister in their 30s.  Only one of the children are in the family business initially.

It’s uncanny how much the Roys are modeled after the Murdochs.  Rupert suffers a back injury and his wife, Jerry Hall (yes that Jerry Hall) summons them to his bedside.  Rupert recovers and boasts that he’s stronger than ever and that none of them are ready to take over.

The first episode features home movies of the kids playing games in the big backyard, just like the opening of Succession.

In 2018, Murdoch tries to buy the WSJ owned by the Bancroft family.  He studies the family to figure out how to wedge them apart.  He proposes a meeting of the families to show they can be trusted.

Now I don’t know when The NY Times article was written but this doc obviously came out after season 3 of Succession.  So maybe they decided to copy some things like the home movies from Succession.
 

Or I’m not sure how anyone got access to their home movies.

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ProudMary

ProudMary

8 hours ago, Bluesky said:

It’s always the same actors over and over.  So boring and predictable.    

Well, the article was specifically confirming returning cast members. I'm sure that there also will be guest stars, who are yet to be announced. 

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Bluesky

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On 11/1/2022 at 11:48 AM, ProudMary said:

Well, the article was specifically confirming returning cast members. I'm sure that there also will be guest stars, who are yet to be announced. 

I meant the new ones coming in.   We have good actors on this show and they had put Skarsgård in?  He’s in everything, his face is everywhere. Same with Hope Davis and the others. This show doesn’t need “guest” stars.   They are distracting. 

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Yeah I'm a little tired of Skarsgård being EVERYWHERE. Don't get me wrong, he is a good actor and great eye candy but dang, there isn't another actor available.

As for Jeremy Strong's method acting. It's funny that he gets into these hijinks but it doesn't make me not want to watch him. He can method all he wants, just please, don't assault a PA, or headbutt a colleague and I'll continue to enjoy his acting.

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ProudMary

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March 26th!!!  I figured we wouldn't get Season 4 until late summer/early fall. I'm doing the happy dance here! 💃

The trailer looks great too. Logan/Tom, Tom/Greg, the sibs together. So excited for the next season of my favorite show!

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aghst

aghst

I guess Jesse Armstrong could have come up with some B plots and add another season.

Would mean more money for everyone involved in production as well as HBO, which probably would let him do whatever he wanted.

But maybe he wanted to stick to his plan or maybe just wanted to complete the show and either take a break or work on other projects.

A sign of integrity maybe.

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