S19.E23: Remember Me & S19.E24: Remember Me Too

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, dttruman said:

It seems like the writers (and or producers) have a very short memory. Didn't Benson criticize Cabot for breaking and manipulating the law to punish an innocent man at the time in "Sunken Cost Fallacy"?

I thought maybe this is where they were going—that Benson was going to ride off into the sunset with Cabot—that maybe MH was going to just do producing and/or directing—or even just spend time with family. But if that was the case, the gossip sites would've picked up on it by now, right?

[Norma Desmond]

I'm done with this show. Benson is a crazy bitch and i cannot stand Mariska chewing the scenery anymore. And wtf is that thing she does with her lips? She has this constant sneer. Maybe it's the botox? I don't care either way. Bye!

[preeya]

1 hour ago, Norma Desmond said:

I'm done with this show. Benson is a crazy bitch and i cannot stand Mariska chewing the scenery anymore. And wtf is that thing she does with her lips? She has this constant sneer. Maybe it's the botox? I don't care either way. Bye!

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Yep, that's it, constant sneer.

[gryphon]

Not enough Fin. 

[dttruman]

On 5/26/2018 at 9:29 AM, shapeshifter said:

I thought maybe this is where they were going—that Benson was going to ride off into the sunset with Cabot—that maybe MH was going to just do producing and/or directing—or even just spend time with family. But if that was the case, the gossip sites would've picked up on it by now, right?

Was this your prediction before the show was renewed for next season? I wonder how they plan on doing the finale when they find out it won't be renewed? Will they have some type of riding off into the sunset deal of cleaning out her desk, having her real family make an appearance on the show, or being shot dead trying to protect a rape victim from her rapist?

[CelticBlackCat]

Very disappointed in this season finale.  We had a backslide straight back into St. Olivia Benson Hour.  Lourdes is perhaps the most unsympathetic victim ever.  The torture scenes were too long and as someone else mentioned, why didn't Miguel shout at the camera what address he's being held at gunpoint?  I am really angry that they introduced Stone's sister only to have her be the shock death for the finale.

How many more times is Benson going to give up her weapon?  In real NYPD, does that even happen?

[Zoe]

On 5/26/2018 at 5:24 AM, dttruman said:

It seems like the writers (and or producers) have a very short memory. Didn't Benson criticize Cabot for breaking and manipulating the law to punish an innocent man at the time in "Sunken Cost Fallacy"?

They even aired that episode right before this one!

[millennium]

Lourdes was one of the worst actors I've seen in a long time.   Who did she know to get that part?

Edited May 28, 2018 by millennium

[Joe Hellandback]

The Good; actually I thought the whole hostage thing was quite terrifying, they didn't shy away from the reality of her torturing him, the cigarette burn especially nasty (as was clubbing the poor guy who owned the apartment) and Benson talking her down was actually pretty tense, you genuinely wondered if she'd kill him or not. Also liked the Carisi/Finn scenes, I know the show centres on a pretty grim subject matter but we should have more comedy.

The Bad; the whole thing with the phone and the live feed seems rather contrived. Benson should never have given up her pistol but radioed for back-up the moment she realised she'd hit the right apartment and then backed off rather than ditch her pistol.

 My fears are more for the next ep, I want the guy who has been taken hostage and the apartment owner to be entirely innocent and for her to be a nutball driven crazy by her experience of being raped by a Coyote. But the whole hidden camera through the dark web schtick makes me think that this will be one more SVU stumbling across a massive conspiracy cliché.  

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Joe Hellandback said:

fears are more for the next ep, I want the guy who has been taken hostage and the apartment owner to be entirely innocent and for her to be a nutball driven crazy by her experience of being raped by a Coyote. But the whole hidden camera through the dark web schtick makes me think that this will be one

Maybe you missed Miguel's eventual genuine confession about how he "owned those girls!" that he was trafficking?

 I should've tuned out way before then too.

COTW closed. 

[Joe Hellandback]

3 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Maybe you missed Miguel's eventual genuine confession about how he "owned those girls!" that he was trafficking?

 I should've tuned out way before then too.

COTW closed. 

I'm in the UK so we only got ep 23, I'm only up to the point where Benson order them both arrested on the balcony. 

[marceline]

This was atrocious. It was just too much everything. Too much torture, too much monologuing, too much Olivia acting utterly shocked  - SHOCKED - that someone might have a different interpretation. Too much shooting, too many hostage situations, too many political anvils. 

It astounds me that the show expected us to have any sympathy for Lourdes after she cracked that guy's skull. That was straight up murder.

I couldn't even keep track of who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. Stone has to treat Olivia like a hostile witness on the stand. Rollins berates Lourdes into taking a deal. Miguel manages to endure all that torture then decides to do a whole supervillain monologue. 

I can barely express how awful I find MH/Benson. The character and the actress have both become so insufferable.

[Joe Hellandback]

9 minutes ago, marceline said:

This was atrocious. It was just too much everything. Too much torture, too much monologuing, too much Olivia acting utterly shocked  - SHOCKED - that someone might have a different interpretation. Too much shooting, too many hostage situations, too many political anvils. 

It astounds me that the show expected us to have any sympathy for Lourdes after she cracked that guy's skull. That was straight up murder.

I couldn't even keep track of who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. Stone has to treat Olivia like a hostile witness on the stand. Rollins berates Lourdes into taking a deal. Miguel manages to endure all that torture then decides to do a whole supervillain monologue. 

I can barely express how awful I find MH/Benson. The character and the actress have both become so insufferable.

Has anyone ever counted up how many times Benson has been taken hostage? It reminds me of Robot Chicken's gag where Dick Tracy eventually dies of lead poisoning from being shot in the shoulder so many times. 

[Nisha]

What an absolutely stupid, godawful, unbelievable episode. Felt like a bad cross between a rotten soap and a moronic lifetime movie.  How does Benson just "feel" Lourdes is telling the truth? Why is she always the one to get stuck in a hostage situation while her squad is milling around ineffectually on the streets below like hotdog vendors? How many times did Cragen or Van Buren get caught in such dire situations? Did Lourdes take "acting" lessons from MH? Why does MH always have that "I just smelled p@@p" look on her face? Why did this episode (like so many others) have to begin and end with Benson? Was this episode a sign of a romance to come between Benson and Stone? So much more believable if Stone was attracted to Amanda. I wish this Law and Order travesty had never been renewed for another season. It's lost all credibility as a serious crime show and has become a  a mockery and an insult to the great original L&O brand. And who writes such drivel that passes for "dialogue" - "I had hope in my eyes", "I wake up shaking and panting", "In the dark , you can lose yourself".  Cheesy crap  from teenage romance paperbacks. Barf-o-rama.

And a bit of DACA/ Illegal/ dreamer buzzwords thrown in for good measure to appease the left leaning viewer base.

And...another Hargitay?? Like one is not enough...we need more from this overrated, no-talent gene pool to chew the scenery? Which one was Eddie Hargitay anyway?

Edited May 28, 2018 by Nisha

[Fellaway]

1 hour ago, Nisha said:

Which one was Eddie Hargitay anyway?

I think he was the cop with Benson who got taken hostage by Lourdes.

[dttruman]

18 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

I think he was the cop with Benson who got taken hostage by Lourdes.

I thought he was the guy at the beginning who turned in the Iphone with the video feed in the apartment of the torture?

[Jaded]

[MoistestCake]

Benson is taken hostage almost as often as Jessica Fletcher has a gun pointed at her after the murderer stupidly confesses to her, with the police nearby - maybe Benson can have the police force close by rather than go it alone. 

But what's been putting me off for ages already is her annoying whispering. Talk properly, please! 

[TV Anonymous]

IANAL, so I ask for those legally-literate. What charge did the police give to Miguel when he was arrested? He can not be arrested just because a police lieutenant feels that he needs to be arrested, can he? CMIIW, but there must be a clear and specific charge for one to be put under arrest, is there not? Whatever Miguel said he did under duress, how could that be used against him?

Victim or not Lourdes killed somebody, somebody unarmed and her life was not in danger at that time. How can a sworn law enforcement officer ask that the charge be dropped based on something that is not even yet proved?

[CelticBlackCat]

12 hours ago, Joe Hellandback said:

I'm in the UK so we only got ep 23, I'm only up to the point where Benson order them both arrested on the balcony. 

You're in the UK?  Well, cheers!

[CelticBlackCat]

The actress who played Lourdes was OTT, as well as the long, drawn-out torture scenes so we could get in all her suffering and anxiety.  She may have been raped and abused by a coyote but she had a pretty nice life where she wanted to live, in the U.S, in NYC, so why go batshit crazy over the abuser to the point of taking out an innocent bystander (well, he didn't do anything to her)?  I didn't feel any sympathy for her at all and the OTT Bensonbonanza of feeling, knowing, and understanding just what Lourdes had gone through, and that she was telling the truth from Minute 1, was just too much.

[ChristiKRN]

Benson is out of control; she has jumped the shark.  She has forgotten that her main job is to enforce the law.  She obviously thinks it is OK for someone to commit murder and take  hostages if they have been victimized in the past; maybe that fact can be taken into consideration during sentencing, but they should still be prosecuted.  I almost choked when Stone had to treat her as a hostile witness; first, she couldn't speak to the fact that a man was on the floor bleeding but when the defense attorney questioned her about PTSD, she is an authority on that subject? Stone should have reported her; unbelievable that he had to lecture her on what her job is and she still doesn't see how wrong she is.  I would bet the SWAT guy who told her to stand down not once but twice is fired because if he had just let Saint Benson speak to the cartel guy, Stone's sister would still be alive.  

I seriously wish that Lourdes had misidentified Miguel, just to prove Benson completely wrong.  I used to like Benson, but she has just become insufferable.  

The only 2 main characters that are sensible (most of the time) and watchable  are Fin and Carisi.  I think Rollins may have mental health issues like her sister; one minute, she is sympathizing with Lourdes and the next she is combative with her.  What an injustice to portray women as being unprofessional and loose cannons, especially from this show. 

[preeya]

23 minutes ago, TV Anonymous said:

IANAL, so I ask for those legally-literate. What charge did the police give to Miguel when he was arrested? He can not be arrested just because a police lieutenant feels that he needs to be arrested, can he? CMIIW, but there must be a clear and specific charge for one to be put under arrest, is there not? Whatever Miguel said he did under duress, how could that be used against him?

Victim or not Lourdes killed somebody, somebody unarmed and her life was not in danger at that time. How can a sworn law enforcement officer ask that the charge be dropped based on something that is not even yet proved?

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This is the reason or one of the reasons, this show has turned into a FARCE.

[jcbrown]

55 minutes ago, ChristiKRN said:

What an injustice to portray women as being unprofessional and loose cannons, especially from this show. 

Thank you!

[Fiero425]

On ‎5‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 10:30 PM, statsgirl said:

I thought he let her go deliberately so that he could shoot her proving to Peter that he really is the badass cartel member he said he is.

When will these people learn "street cred" isn't going to do them much good if they're dead? Leaving a "rep" of being a tough guy or "badass" can't benefit anyone much; even a legitimate heir! ;-)

Edited May 29, 2018 by Fiero425

[shapeshifter]

8 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

IANAL, so I ask for those legally-literate. What charge did the police give to Miguel when he was arrested?

Although IANAL either, I thought he was arrested because of his "confesssion," but when I looked at the transcript of the captioning, that's not it. If there had been 5 minutes less torture porn, we could have had a good ol' L&O line of "You're under arrest for…" but instead, when Miguel asks what he is under arrest for, Olivia just says that he took Lourdes to a home not his own with a "dark net" connection from a spy cam to an app on his phone.

 

 

About the the killing of the ADA's schizophrenic sister:

1 hour ago, Fiero425 said:

On May 23, 2018 at 10:30 PM, statsgirl said:

I thought he let her go deliberately so that he could shoot her proving to Peter that he really is the badass cartel member he said he is.

When will these people learn "street cred" isn't going to do them much good if they're dead? Leaving a "rep" of being a tough guy or "badass" can't benefit anyone much; even a legitimate heir! ;-)

Edited 1 hour ago by Fiero425.

My understanding is that people join gangs (and cults and political groups etc.) because they are a family substitute, so cartel dude would go out in a blaze of glory taking an ADA's sister with him for his pseudo family's street cred as well as his own (if he survived). Plus, he might have biological brothers who would get street cred from his actions too. But I have to wonder about the value of taking out a defenseless disabled person—even cartel people might find this troublesome.

[dttruman]

7 hours ago, ChristiKRN said:

Benson is out of control; she has jumped the shark.  She has forgotten that her main job is to enforce the law.  She obviously thinks it is OK for someone to commit murder and take  hostages if they have been victimized in the past; maybe that fact can be taken into consideration during sentencing, but they should still be prosecuted.  I almost choked when Stone had to treat her as a hostile witness; first, she couldn't speak to the fact that a man was on the floor bleeding but when the defense attorney questioned her about PTSD, she is an authority on that subject? Stone should have reported her; unbelievable that he had to lecture her on what her job is and she still doesn't see how wrong she is.  I would bet the SWAT guy who told her to stand down not once but twice is fired because if he had just let Saint Benson speak to the cartel guy, Stone's sister would still be alive.  

I really wonder about this episode? I wonder if even the most devoted fans of MH or of the character Olivia Benson can defend the psychotic behavior of Benson now? Either the Executive producers and writers are taking an extremist's stand which IMO is detrimental to the plight of sexual assault victims that MH has chosen to champion personally.

Or are they preparing us for next season where Benson returns from a forced "so called Sabbatical" to iron out her issues (which just happens to be the summer months) and she miraculously comes back even tempered and objective. Maybe they will make it more realistic and Benson is reprimanded and reduced back down to Sgt Benson because of her reprehensible and unprofessional behavior she showed during the investigation. This also would benefit MH, because she would be back in the main focus of the investigation.

[Nisha]

3 hours ago, dttruman said:

I really wonder about this episode? I wonder if even the most devoted fans of MH or of the character Olivia Benson can defend the psychotic behavior of Benson now? Either the Executive producers and writers are taking an extremist's stand which IMO is detrimental to the plight of sexual assault victims that MH has chosen to champion personally.

Or are they preparing us for next season where Benson returns from a forced "so called Sabbatical" to iron out her issues (which just happens to be the summer months) and she miraculously comes back even tempered and objective. Maybe they will make it more realistic and Benson is reprimanded and reduced back down to Sgt Benson because of her reprehensible and unprofessional behavior she showed during the investigation. This also would benefit MH, because she would be back in the main focus of the investigation.

I wish she gets demoted and has to report to Fin and he kicks her sorry b**utt to shape. One can dream....

[TV Diva Queen]

On 5/24/2018 at 10:17 AM, Xeliou66 said:

It’s Peter Stone, not Chris Stone, and it was Chicago Justice, not Chicago Law. Yes Ben Stone is Peter and Pamela’s dad, it was revealed Ben died shortly before The Undiscovered Country, where we saw his funeral where Jack McCoy gave the eulogy. That’s why Peter came to NYC and McCoy asked him to be the special prosecutor in Barba’s trial and after Barba resigned McCoy offered Stone his job and Stone accepted so he could be closer to his sister. I love the connection to the mothership, and it’s my favorite show ever as well. 

I’m concerned that since Stone now has no one left in NY, he will start spending more time with Benson and developing a close relationship with her like the one Barba had. I do not want to see Benson destroy yet another ADA’s objectivity and have another unprofessional relationship with them. And please do not have Benson and Stone start sleeping together, that would be nauseating. 

Maybe there's a show we don't know about with called Chicago Law starring Ben's OTHER son, Chris.  LOL.  

[Xeliou66]

5 hours ago, dttruman said:

I really wonder about this episode? I wonder if even the most devoted fans of MH or of the character Olivia Benson can defend the psychotic behavior of Benson now? Either the Executive producers and writers are taking an extremist's stand which IMO is detrimental to the plight of sexual assault victims that MH has chosen to champion personally.

Or are they preparing us for next season where Benson returns from a forced "so called Sabbatical" to iron out her issues (which just happens to be the summer months) and she miraculously comes back even tempered and objective. Maybe they will make it more realistic and Benson is reprimanded and reduced back down to Sgt Benson because of her reprehensible and unprofessional behavior she showed during the investigation. This also would benefit MH, because she would be back in the main focus of the investigation.

I don’t know if MH just doesn’t care how much of a self absorbed egomaniac she is, or if she is completely delusional and has no idea how she appears or how rabid and unhinged Benson is now, and she truly thinks she is saving sexual assault victims everywhere. Because of Mariska’s real life activism, the show has gone from an entertaining crime procedural into more of an agenda based show for MH to preach her personal views, and as a result of MH just playing herself now Benson is an activist, not a police officer, and she has no objectivity because Mariska has none either and Mariska is just playing herself. 

Where is Dodds in all of this? Stone should’ve complained to him about having to treat Benson as a hostile witness, and he would’ve berated her.

[dttruman]

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Where is Dodds in all of this? Stone should’ve complained to him about having to treat Benson as a hostile witness, and he would’ve berated her.

Great observation! That would be a great realistic move that the writers can use, if they were smart. Have most of the previous ADAs complain to McCoy about Benson interfering with the cases. McCoy complains to Dodds and the proverbial fertilizer hits the fan.

[HunterHunted]

9 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Maybe there's a show we don't know about with called Chicago Law starring Ben's OTHER son, Chris.  LOL.  

I don't know why they passed on the pilot about the Stone brothers, Peter and Chris. One is a prosecutor the other is a defense attorney. They're long estranged, but the terminal illness of their father brings them back to New York. Dad's death bed wish is for his children to reconnect as a family; this includes his sons, his daughter who is a single mom and had her own brushes with the law thanks to the father of her son, and any disreputable, difficult, or wacky extended family as needed. I thought Stone Cold Justice sounded pretty good to me.

Oh well, they decided to go with adding Peter to SVU and give him a mentally ill sister that they promptly killed off.

[TV Diva Queen]

14 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I don't know why they passed on the pilot about the Stone brothers, Peter and Chris. One is a prosecutor the other is a defense attorney. They're long estranged, but the terminal illness of their father brings them back to New York. Dad's death bed wish is for his children to reconnect as a family; this includes his sons, his daughter who is a single mom and had her own brushes with the law thanks to the father of her son, and any disreputable, difficult, or wacky extended family as needed. I thought Stone Cold Justice sounded pretty good to me.

Oh well, they decided to go with adding Peter to SVU and give him a mentally ill sister that they promptly killed off.

Hilarious - but I see it as an ABC Friday night sitcom in the 80's.  I'm penning the theme song as we speak. 

[Irate Panda]

I hated everyone in the episode except Fin and Carisi

[Xeliou66]

On 5/29/2018 at 11:58 AM, dttruman said:

Great observation! That would be a great realistic move that the writers can use, if they were smart. Have most of the previous ADAs complain to McCoy about Benson interfering with the cases. McCoy complains to Dodds and the proverbial fertilizer hits the fan.

I thought about McCoy as well, Stone would definitely consult with him about his cases and McCoy could complain to Dodds about Benson’s unprofessional behavior. Or Stone could go directly to Dodds and complain about Benson’s behavior, and Dodds would be left to clean up Benson’s mess. 

[Fiero425]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I thought about McCoy as well, Stone would definitely consult with him about his cases and McCoy could complain to Dodds about Benson’s unprofessional behavior. Or Stone could go directly to Dodds and complain about Benson’s behavior, and Dodds would be left to clean up Benson’s mess. 

Benson would not have a job IRL! She not only breaks the rules, she makes it out she's always right and "the system" has to be wrong! She feels entitled to do and say just about anything including pressuring an ADA to prosecute and a victim to testify! Someone needs to slap her face a few more times like that drugged victim of rape in a past episode! Stabler was no better with an added sweetener of being a rage-aholic! This show is getting more and more unbelievable to watch and I've been a fan since the mothership began it all 30 years ago! ;-(

[red.]

Late to the party but WTF WTF WTF.

How the episode SHOULD have gone -

• Miguel turns out to be innocent
• Liv's "intuition" and "justification for rape victims to get revenge however they want" is wrong and Stone rips her a new one
• Noah is kidnapped/killed by the cartel instead of Stone's sister
• Liv has nothing left to offer SVU or NYC, so she runs off with Cabot saving battered women. /ENDSCENE.

[shapeshifter]

14 hours ago, red. said:

• Liv has nothing left to offer SVU or NYC, so she runs off with Cabot saving battered women. /ENDSCENE

I'm still thinking this is the end of the Benson character arc.
Or the writers are holding out for a blue sky sea change IRL society as a result of the #MeToo movement in which Cabot can come in from the cold and join a resplendent Olivia because all rape kits have been processed, all institutions of rape have been shut down (coyotes; prisons; some schools, group homes, and fraternities; etc.), and true justice always prevails in the courtroom—which might have been what the writers were trying to hint at with this episode.

[dttruman]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Or the writers are holding out for a blue sky sea change IRL society as a result of the #MeToo movement

Do you think they may try to repeat stuff from the past and put Benson in a much better light without much explanation? For I.E., As the new season begins Benson is talking to a shrink and the shrink tells her she's been through therapy for 3 months, then asks her if she has control of her emotions and can perform her job with unbiased objectivity now? She says yes and the shrink lets her return to work.

[Xeliou66]

15 minutes ago, dttruman said:

Do you think they may try to repeat stuff from the past and put Benson in a much better light without much explanation? For I.E., As the new season begins Benson is talking to a shrink and the shrink tells her she's been through therapy for 3 months, then asks her if she has control of her emotions and can perform her job with unbiased objectivity now? She says yes and the shrink lets her return to work.

No, because the show will never even acknowledge Benson could possibly be wrong, that’s how large Mariska’s ego is, she can never be wrong and no matter she will always be right because the show is all about how St Olivia is single handily saving rape victims all over the world. There is such a disconnect between the show and the viewers because of MH, the viewers are fed up with her and see what an unprofessional joke Benson is, while the show continues on with her being an all knowing saint. So nothing will change because nothing needs to according to MH.

[dttruman]

On 5/28/2018 at 1:24 AM, CelticBlackCat said:

The torture scenes were too long and as someone else mentioned, why didn't Miguel shout at the camera what address he's being held at gunpoint? 

Did they ever identify who's phone that was, that led them to the apt. Was it the owner's (the guy killed) apt?

[shapeshifter]

15 minutes ago, dttruman said:

Did they ever identify who's phone that was, that led them to the apt. Was it the owner's (the guy killed) apt?

TARU traced the phone to Miguel, but then there was nobody at his address because his apartment was being painted, so he had taken Lourdes to his boss's, which TARU couldn't easily trace because the camera feed was on the "dark net." Eventually they found the location through Olivia's phone.

Edited June 3, 2018 by shapeshifter

[dttruman]

18 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

No, because the show will never even acknowledge Benson could possibly be wrong, that’s how large Mariska’s ego is, she can never be wrong and no matter she will always be right because the show is all about how St Olivia is single handily saving rape victims all over the world. There is such a disconnect between the show and the viewers because of MH, the viewers are fed up with her and see what an unprofessional joke Benson is

I wonder what the most die-hard fans (especially Benson's) of SVU had to say about that one scene when Benson tries to justify Lourdes' killing of that guy and the way she did it to Stone. It wasn't just a tap on the head and then going back to torture Miguel. That lamp (I think) looked very heavy and that 2nd wack she gave him, that was to make sure he was dead. Either, even they thought it was so ludicrous or they are just so fanatical about Benson's righteousness.

[J-Man]

The only thing that could've made this episode more ludicrous would be finding out that Miguel had an evil twin brother. 

[shapeshifter]

18 hours ago, J-Man said:

The only thing that could've made this episode more ludicrous would be finding out that Miguel had an evil twin brother. 

Hah! That would've been soap opera classic.

[dttruman]

On 6/8/2018 at 1:41 AM, J-Man said:

The only thing that could've made this episode more ludicrous would be finding out that Miguel had an evil twin brother. 

I think they will play the "Evil Twin Brother" card when MH wants the William Lewis character reintroduced. Because after all, it's all about her.

[DaynaPhile]

I am honestly shocked that Miguel really was the guy. I thought Liv was just playing along to placate Lourdes and get them out alive. When she really starting gunning for charges with Stone I was floored. I wanted her to be wrong. Because then she’s be wrong wrong wrongitty wrong. And Stone’s sister dying would be Liv’s fault and she’d totally lose her job because her crazy pants attitude finally Went Too Far. And since when is it ok to arrest someone just because another crazy person said they did something? Doesn’t there have to be, oh I don’t know, evidence or something? And the way Liv was advocating revenge and vigilante justice at the bar was laughable considering she about ripped Cabot a new one not too long ago for the exact same thing. 

[JNM5505]

I watched the finale a few days ago but am getting around to post now.

I can't believe this time slot (8-11 PM Thursdays) used to be NBC's Must See TV. Now it's Must Not See TV.

I don't know the BTS drama with MH but I absolutely hated Olivia in this episode. I never got into SVU as much as I have other shows, probably because of the sensitive topic surrounding rape; but I have caught episodes here and there throughout the years. The last time I watched was in 2013 or 2014, with the William Lewis storyline. So I have no idea who that little muppet at the beginning of the episode was, where Nick is, or the other two characters are. Yeah, I have missed a lot.

I never liked her sneer, it's that sort of "I want to gouge my eyes out so I never have to see you again, and I want to pour gasoline over you and light you on fire, and spit on your decaying, burnt form; and, with all that, post it on Youtube so the world will see the scum of the earth suffering" sneer.

Anyways, I won't be tuning in for season 20 as my crack–er, regular show to laugh at–will be premiering.