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19 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

My intention is to never offend.  I try to keep any sharing of theology to the very basics. 

TPTB decided to make the character "God" in the fashion of the Episcopalian Church - the church of Miles' Dad.  This is very much unlike Lucifer, by way of example, where "God" was decidedly not of any standard faith.  

Cheers to all.

I’m not offended. I just can’t  join in the conversation about the character ‘God’ in this show. But happy  to discuss and snark on the other characters. 

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53 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

TPTB decided to make the character "God" in the fashion of the Episcopalian Church - the church of Miles' Dad.

Thanks, I missed the Episcopalian connection. Of course, if the show has legs, I imagine the gød personna potentially branching out into Budhist, Muslim, and other cultures. But maybe the writers don't share that vision. 

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On 10/29/2018 at 4:11 PM, MissLucas said:

'Atheist guardian' was a great moniker.

Now I want to be a Guardian Atheist!

On 10/29/2018 at 9:01 PM, Yeah No said:

I did feel it was strange that after all that he didn't come to at least suspect that the account was really God, but I suppose that it wouldn't be the first time as a believer that I have been similarly frustrated with an atheist.  I'm like, "Dude, it's right there in front of your face!"  I think it's still going to be some time before Miles puts all of this together.

This atheist thinks that this episode shows that it doesn't matter whether it's really God behind the "God account".  Helping people is the right thing to do, a proper calling, regardles of whether you're doing it for God, or just because it's the "right" thing to do.

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7 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I’m willing to discuss fictional people as if they are real people because we usually know real people who behave like the fictional people.. so we can assume and extrapolate.  I can’t bring myself to discuss a fictional God as if he is a real God. God is portrayed on this show as the writers imagine he would be.  But that’s not a quantifiable, provable theory.  I feel We have no way to really know what God would mean by unfriending someone.   In fact, it’s foreign to my reality because we are taught that God ‘friends’ everyone no matter how late they show up to the party.

But more than happy to discuss the rest of it. Interesting to see that some stereotypes were being brought out for discussion ... the extreme helicopter  parents,  the  extreme demands that the offspring must all be doctors or professors or extremely successful.  

I realize that kind of discussion is not for everyone, but it's something I do and have been doing my whole life - to find symbolism in things.  Of course it's not provable or quantifiable, but that's the realm of Theology for you.  This show does involve a bit of "artistic license" for me in that a consistent God would friend everyone the same as Miles, but that doesn't mean I can't find some universal truth in the story.  Like the way I can find universal meaning in the Book of Job even though it's a very personal story between Job and God.  What I think is my opinion and I certainly don't expect everyone to think my way.

5 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

TPTB decided to make the character "God" in the fashion of the Episcopalian Church - the church of Miles' Dad.  This is very much unlike Lucifer, by way of example, where "God" was decidedly not of any standard faith.  

Cheers to all.

I agree with you, and perhaps that's one reason why I feel I can relate to it so well as I am an Episcopalian.

1 hour ago, jhlipton said:

Now I want to be a Guardian Atheist!

This atheist thinks that this episode shows that it doesn't matter whether it's really God behind the "God account".  Helping people is the right thing to do, a proper calling, regardles of whether you're doing it for God, or just because it's the "right" thing to do.

Whether or not one believes in God, helping people is always the right thing to do and is its own reward.

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10 hours ago, Yeah No said:

a) I can find universal meaning in the Book of Job even though it's a very personal story between Job and God. 

b) I agree with you, and perhaps that's one reason why I feel I can relate to it so well as I am an Episcopalian.

c) Whether or not one believes in God, helping people is always the right thing to do and is its own reward.

a) It's a personal story between Job and God, sandwiched between and odd encounter between God and Satan (which was written much later, I believe)

b) If I were to become a Christian (which, not going to happen), I would be an Episcopalian (or possibly a Methodist).  They are by far the most progressive Christian churches.

c) And so say all of us, regardless of religion or lack thereof.

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Late to catch up this week, and not much to add, but I thought this was another good episode, and I think they are doing a good job so far of not having every "mission" be cookie cutter similar. It was nice that Miles accepted his 'calling' to help people.

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I've fallen a bit behind the last couple of episodes but am catching up on what I've missed.

I do like this series a lot. I enjoy that Miles' mission was really pushing him to look into these connections on his own, rather than doing it just because God told him to. Unlike the pilot, where the God account relentlessly hacked Miles until he gave in, the account disappeared long enough for Miles to make the step to finding Rachel Blake because he was curious. I actually thought it was a good way to do it. Typically, I'd complain about God unfriending Miles so early in the series, but I think it actually was beneficial to do it now, when he's still very much skeptical and still learning the lessons being taught to him. Also, it taught Miles a little bit about selflessness and how he should want to help people, rather than him feeling like he has to help people. Maybe, there will be an episode where the God account doesn't suggest anyone and Miles has to find someone on his own merit, maybe even through one of the accounts of someone he's helped. 

In terms of Cara's ex, I'm not rooting for him to be a bad guy, but I'm ultimately hoping that him reappearing actually links him to one of Miles' friend requests somehow. I'd much prefer Eli be a person that Miles and Cara and Rakesh need to help, since I know Eli/Cara isn't a long-term couple. But I also like Kyle Harris after his stint on the pretty abysmal show Stitchers so I wouldn't mind seeing him hang around here for a bit and not be a plot device for Cara/Miles, which wasn't even needed in the first place. 

Also, moving to Rakesh and Jaya, as much as I want to like Rakesh and can relate to him somewhat, I need him to really start to grow as a person instead of overreacting with Jaya and letting his anxiety and paranoia take over. He's a real immature jerk sometimes, such as him confronting Jaya in front of their parents after discovering she's going to work at the Mayo Clinic. I do like Jaya, though, and like how she's willing to help. 

Otherwise, I do like how we get glimpses of previous people he's helped through their Facebook accounts. It's a nice touch of continuity.

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I didn't see the pilot, but caught this. Hall is great, but this show is not really my thing. I thought The Mayor was a much better show, and would have preferred watching that.

At the same time, it is nice to just watch something occasionally that is pleasant and good natured, which this show is. So I could see myself watching the occasional ep for escapism.

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Navid Negahban, who played the recommended friend and father of the daughter, was acting rings around the younger actors.

Did Miles ever friend him on Facebook? Or did he just "help" him?

So Uncle Malik Yoba is in trouble.

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I liked this episode..although I couldn't help but notice the woman Miles' Dad wanted to ask out looks a lot younger...I don't have a problem with older men dating younger women but it's such a Hollywood thing now that it's overly cliche.

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Miles is forced to face uncomfortable truths about his family when the “God” account points him toward his Uncle Terrance. Also, Cara’s father pays her a visit, and he discovers that she’s reconnected with her mom, who left them when she was a child.

Airs Sunday, 11/11/18.

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I enjoy the show, but found this episode to be extremely formulaic. It was way too obvious that the tour guide was Jim Smith, that Jim Smith was gay, and that Fliss (my next cat's name) was going to end up moving to NYC. But I totally want an "easy comet easy go" tee. 

I hate that we have to hear from all & sundry how Miles & Cara are the perfect couple (see also, Lucy & Wyatt on "Timeless" + 1,000,000 other examples). And then of course she runs into the ex who got away who is never - NEVER! -  in that neighborhood. Again, shades of Lucy & Wyatt, whose wife was dead in another timeline but who appears just after L+W sleep together. My eyes rolled so far back I checked out my own ass. Now the (when) will they/won't they begins. Joy. The actors have really great chemistry, so let's just let things happen organically, please. 

Sure wish I could come & go from work like Miles & Rakesh can. 

On 10/22/2018 at 12:09 AM, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Miles should have spent his luck on a billion dollar lotto ticket in lieu of seeing his Dad at the precise moment dude walked out of the music store.  Great casting of Erica Gimpel as the owner.  I bet she will be a recurring cast member.

I really like her, so I hope so!

On 10/24/2018 at 1:09 PM, MoreCoffeePlease said:

Has anyone noticed that Cara always has a purse on her? Even when she is just standing around, she doesn't put it down. I'm obsessed with it. Let's see if she does it in the next episode.

I hadn't noticed, but funny you should mention this, because I love the red purse she carried during this episode. 

On 10/30/2018 at 5:11 PM, jhlipton said:

As little as possible?

LOL! 

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Erica Gimpel (music store lady) is 54; Joe Morton (Miles' dad) is 71 — not 61, as I had first typed — but at least she's not 44?

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39 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Erica Gimpel (music store lady) is 54; Joe Morton (Miles' dad) is 61.

typo alert, he is 71

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Disappointed in this ep.  

The circular, if not dishonest, talk Miles had with Hasan at the Mosque doesn't sit well with me.  The Dad begins by righteously challenging Miles' assumption that Islam was a major reason for his objections to the marriage.  Then, in full, but polite, umbrage he forcefully declares that it was about BELIEF!  He goes on to explain that her unbelief would be an automatic tearing of any familial relationship.  She would be, essentially, ex-communicating herself from him and her family.  An apostate.  But, heaven forfend, this wasn't about Islam.  The basic assumption is that the groom's father would be the very same.  

I get that the show has to be coy as to the specific parameters of "God."  But, it makes it difficult to accept anything as actual if logic can't apply.

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This one donkey punched me in the feels... I was surprised I reacted so strongly.. But Navid really brought it.. 

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1 hour ago, UNOSEZ said:

This one donkey punched me in the feels... I was surprised I reacted so strongly.. But Navid really brought it.. 

The song that was playing during the confrontation at City Hall is "Scars" by My Brother and I. I first discovered it on Queen Sugar and downloaded it. It's one of those songs that just hits me, so when I heard it I knew it was going to have Feelings.

I thought Joe Morton asking out the music store lady was very cute. Looks like Miles is getting a new love interest too.

I'm always happy to see Malik Yoba.

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6 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

I'm always happy to see Malik Yoba

Some of my faintest early memories( and this might be colored by my moms recollections)  are of seeing malik on Thursdays on NY under cover while my mom was finishing law school.. Back before she could hide her Guyanese accent she would talk about how nice it was to see a west Indian on tv.. Even if he was a Jamaican 

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Just now, UNOSEZ said:

Some of my faintest early memories( and this might be colored by my moms recollections)  are of seeing malik on Thursdays on NY under cover while my mom was finishing law school.. Back before she could hide her Guyanese accent she would talk about how nice it was to see a west Indian on tv.. Even if he was a Jamaican 

I had crushes on both Malik Yoba and Michael DeLorenzo when that show was on. (I had to sneak it at first because my parents thought it was too violent.) Malik Yoba has aged well.

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11 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

Disappointed in this ep.  

The circular, if not dishonest, talk Miles had with Hasan at the Mosque doesn't sit well with me.  The Dad begins by righteously challenging Miles' assumption that Islam was a major reason for his objections to the marriage.  Then, in full, but polite, umbrage he forcefully declares that it was about BELIEF!  He goes on to explain that her unbelief would be an automatic tearing of any familial relationship.  She would be, essentially, ex-communicating herself from him and her family.  An apostate.  But, heaven forfend, this wasn't about Islam.  The basic assumption is that the groom's father would be the very same.  

I get that the show has to be coy as to the specific parameters of "God."  But, it makes it difficult to accept anything as actual if logic can't apply.

I didn’t see it as totally circular. I took it as meaning that a great portion of family/holiday time involved religious celebrations. Celebrations that her spouse and children, and possibly her, would or could not attend: so the family bonds would be endangered. Just as a parent might object to offspring moving out of state. 

That doesnt mean he was in the right to be in control of his  adult offsprings lives the way he wanted. They are adults and they all chose to come to this country. Both our laws and customs mean that adult children can’t be forced into the decisions their parents  want for them. Whether it’s possession of a cell phone, moving out of state or marriage. 

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I feel like the purpose of the episode was that Miles just wants to help people, and the God Account, no matter what it actually is or who is behind it, is helping him do that. I dont think Miles is really behind the whole "an all powerful deity is sending me friend requests* thing, but he loves to help people, so he choose to keep it up. Which I think was the real point of the God Account unfriended him. He was kind of forced into it at first,  but now, he has chosen to keep up with it. Its actually pretty consistent with a lot of prophet stories from the bible, where God is pretty forceful in calling the person to service, but the choice has to be their own, as free will is a pretty big thing. So I liked how this played out. 

I also liked seeing that things are going well with the previous people that Miles and company helped, and checking on them a little bit. I hope that we can continue getting little updates on previous characters from time to time. 

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I thought this was an interesting episode, and I loved seeing Navid Negahban as the friend pf the week. He really sold the emotions all throughout, especially in the big reconciliation scene on the train. As much as I oppose the idea of telling your kids they cant see a person because of religion or background or some such thing, he did actually explain himself well, and I could at least see where he was coming from beyond just being closed minded or something. He was afraid that she would be separated from their whole community, and their culture, not even getting into what the kids would be raised as, especially in a religion that has a lot of rituals and religious celebration as family bonding. But, I do love that he accepted the marriage, and apparently the grooms family has come around as well. 

Joe and music lady were cute, and I am really glad that she came back. Now everyone gets a new love interest! Looks like Miles uncle is having some struggles. 

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I'm glad that the Hasan came around (predictable, though), but it was unrealistic for it to happen over the 2 days that they showed. But I know it's only an hour-long show.

I'm intrigued by the new possible (oh, who am I kidding!) love interest for Miles. And we still don't know as much about Cara and Eli, so I'm neutral about whether them getting back together is good or bad. Wow, Jaya was really unnecessary.

Uh oh, trouble with Miles' uncle?

Shallow notes: I'm really liking the costume/wardrobe decisions on this show. Everyone looks good. Cara's dresses look great, but sometimes I wish she'd wear a jacket or sweater, just because it's Fall (even though I know they shot this over the summer)!

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This episode didn't feel 100% realistic to me.  I agree that Hasan came around too fast, plus he seemed too reasonable about it.  It was realistic for him to be angry at Miles, but to have a reasonable conversation with him so soon afterward didn't feel right.  It would be a big jump for him to make on so little.  In previous episodes I could buy the transformation of the week even if it involved some suspension of disbelief, but not so much here.

Also, it's starting to bug me that in spite of so many coincidences linking the characters in this show Miles isn't starting to wonder how that could be possible.  He tells Cara not to even talk about it at the end of the episode, so it has to be working on him to some degree.  I guess that was to show he's not ready to admit it.

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Still catching up, but I'm glad I read the discussion for this episode.  I really didn't get the point of God unfriending Miles and disappearing.  It seemed to me just a way to shake things up a bit, so that the weekly formula isn't quite so... formulaic.  But the parallels to true calling and how God worked through the prophets all makes sense, and now I see why they did it.  It was a test.  Everything's a test.

I kinda like Jaya, but it seems like we're getting a few too many characters on this show, and this was their way of writing her out.  She's off to Minnysota (ha ha, I like that spelling).  I mean, Miles is obviously the main guy, Cara the main sidekick, and Rakesh the main guy's best friend.  Standard formula there.  But the main guy's best friend's not-girlfriend and all the drama that comes with that?  It seemed one degree too far removed for me to really care about.  And yeah, the standard drama when the parents meet and reveal their pride/disappointments with their kids... bleah.  I care even less about the main guy's best friend's not-girlfriend's parents.

So Emma actually pulled Rachel from the wreck.  They did finally state it plainly for those of us with minimal attention spans, but it seemed like it wasn't quite as big of a deal as it should've been.  I don't know.  I wouldn't want it beaten to death, but Miles telling Rachel that Emma's last act was an act of love, not of hate, was good but it seemed like there should've been just a bit more follow-up on that and how it affected Rachel and her feelings regarding her sister's final moments, other than her deciding to go back to AA.

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On 11/4/2018 at 10:58 PM, shapeshifter said:

Erica Gimpel (music store lady) is 54; Joe Morton (Miles' dad) is 71 — not 61, as I had first typed — but at least she's not 44?

To be fair, even if he's 71, he's likely not playing a character that old.  Clearly Miles is in his late 20s or possibly early 30s, and they've given no indication that this family had kids late. In fact, given the religious background, and the way they described the Dad's earlier life, it's more implied they had kids early.

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1 hour ago, Kromm said:

To be fair, even if he's 71, he's likely not playing a character that old.  Clearly Miles is in his late 20s or possibly early 30s, and they've given no indication that this family had kids late. In fact, given the religious background, and the way they described the Dad's earlier life, it's more implied they had kids early.

I agree.  Since when does the age of the actor always dictate the age of the character they play?  I would never have thought he was that old.  I might have imagined the music store lady was 10 years younger at most.

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I want Ali's patchwork print blouse.

I'm glad Miles and Ali were smiling stand-ins for Uncle T at the end, because when Miles' dad was saying he couldn't imagine giving a sermon without Uncle T sitting there smiling, I thought: Seriously? What if he dies tomorrow?

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Very good episode. I like how Miles and Cara both found out that people they put on a pedestal are human and flawed, It's like they both grew up. 

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The conceits in this ep were enormous. 

"I am not going to put him in prison."  Well, Reverend, that is not your call.  Nor do you have that power.

"It was MY right to know I was contacted."  Nope.  You were incapable of understanding the dangers of an alcoholic parent and the overwhelming odds against her being truly "sober."   Not your call then, sweetie.

"I needed the money."   Yes.  Yes, you did, Terrence.

I don't much care what happened when the Board went into special session.  My DVR cut off at that point.  I do care about Lena's loss.  SO many like her who invested everything only to have that trust blown up.  Tragic.

The overwhelming bright white light in most every scene is becoming ridiculous.  We get it.  God is at work.   The settings are hurting your point, TPTB.  You are creating a new world, not depicting this one.  I want this show to lead folks to good choices and faith.  That is more difficult when NYC is a veritable Shangri-La.

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38 minutes ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

. . . That is more difficult when NYC is a veritable Shangri-La.

All true^, @Lonesome Rhodes, but then I can't recall any NYC-set shows where even the newcomer characters mention the stench of urine or have to step over human feces.

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Well, I was afraid the show was biting off too much with this plot - they somehow managed pull it off without choking hazard but it was a narrow escape. As others have pointed out Hasan coming around happened too fast, I was also bugged that by the fact that we were never given more insight into David's family or you know what the mother of the bride was thinking - did she even have a name? That's a whole other can of worms that remained untouched. And as usual with plots about inter-faith marriages nobody asks about the faith of future kids. But yeah, unraveling the complicated dynamics between religion and cultural identity can't really be done in 40 minutes - so I'll take the good feels.

I actually like it that Miles still isn't willing to accept that God is behind the god account. 

Bit meh, about that last scene. It was too much painting/writing by numbers: let's meet the love interest/main-ship-stumbling block for Miles.

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11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I want Ali's patchwork print blouse.

I'm glad Miles and Ali were smiling stand-ins for Uncle T at the end, because when Miles' dad was saying he couldn't imagine giving a sermon without Uncle T sitting there smiling, I thought: Seriously? What if he dies tomorrow?

I want Cara's cherry earrings!

Agree, both Miles and Cara showed some growth this episode.

I felt for what Lena is going through because of Terrance.  

Just because someone might die, doesn't mean it's possible to imagine that person never being there again.  None of us are promised tomorrow, doesn't mean we can imagine what happens after.  

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9 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

The conceits in this ep were enormous. 

"I am not going to put him in prison."  Well, Reverend, that is not your call.  Nor do you have that power.

"It was MY right to know I was contacted."  Nope.  You were incapable of understanding the dangers of an alcoholic parent and the overwhelming odds against her being truly "sober."   Not your call then, sweetie.

"I needed the money."   Yes.  Yes, you did, Terrence.

I don't much care what happened when the Board went into special session.  My DVR cut off at that point.  I do care about Lena's loss.  SO many like her who invested everything only to have that trust blown up.  Tragic.

The overwhelming bright white light in most every scene is becoming ridiculous.  We get it.  God is at work.   The settings are hurting your point, TPTB.  You are creating a new world, not depicting this one.  I want this show to lead folks to good choices and faith.  That is more difficult when NYC is a veritable Shangri-La.

In my opinion your trying too hard to be negative about a show that there isn't much to be negative about. I love this show.

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9 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

"It was MY right to know I was contacted."  Nope.  You were incapable of understanding the dangers of an alcoholic parent and the overwhelming odds against her being truly "sober."   Not your call then, sweetie.

This was my thought, too.  I wish someone had told her "You were 14!" 

Aside from that, I liked it.  This is my feel good show.  I don't care if some things are predictable, I still like it,

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12 hours ago, Lonesome Rhodes said:

"I am not going to put him in prison."  Well, Reverend, that is not your call.  Nor do you have that power.

Actually, I heard over the weekend here in below-freezing temps of a guy who offered to take a homeless guy home for a hot shower, but on the way, Homeless Guy (probably with mental health issues, IMO, but not in the report) stabbed the good Samaritan and drove off in his SUV, wrecking it.
Since Good Samaritan "didn’t want to sign complaints," Homeless Guy was only "charged with several misdemeanor and traffic offenses" (chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-homeless-stabbing-20181110-story.html ).

Plus, churches are known for covering up stuff for various reasons. I attended a non-denominational neighborhood church in the 90s in which some people "cased the joint" during the service, then came back and stole the (expensive) music equipment. For reasons I'm not getting into here, the perps were forgiven and became church members.

So they likely could have kept him out of prison, but, yeah, I have to agree, to watch this show you really do have to be willing to walk a pretty high wire/rope of suspension of disbelief regarding the "real life" parts of the scripts. IMO, a more well-written show would handle that better.

I finally watched an episode of The Good Place, which seems better that way.

 

 

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2 hours ago, mommalib said:

"It was MY right to know I was contacted."  Nope.  You were incapable of understanding the dangers of an alcoholic parent and the overwhelming odds against her being truly "sober."   Not your call then, sweetie.

Plus: Isn't Cara old enough to realize this now??

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4 hours ago, dcinmb said:

What the heck happened to Michael Vartan? I barely recognized him, he's so gaunt now.

I Googled “Is Michael Vartan sick?” after watching. He looks really bad  

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4 hours ago, dcinmb said:

What the heck happened to Michael Vartan? I barely recognized him, he's so gaunt now.

I don't know, but I felt really old when I saw he was playing Cara's father.

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While I did like seeing more of Cara and Miles' families, this episode didn't really engage me that much. This is the first one where I felt it was slightly below average. I think it might have been some of the actors' performances.

I did like Miles showing up at his father's church at the end, though.

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So uncle T can embezzle money from the church twice and it’s all good  because he said ‘Sorry’? $600,000?  Well, strike 3 is on its way.  This storyline irks me.  I live in a very small village and our clerk embezzled $100,000. In fact, several small towns around here have had it happen.  Several businesses in the area have had employees steal from them. 

Why should Lena forgive him? She’s got a life to live, bills to pay, and old age to save for.  What kind of husband is he to her?  But, oh, he’s a  nice guy.  

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6 hours ago, dcinmb said:

What the heck happened to Michael Vartan? I barely recognized him, he's so gaunt now.

Time. I'd still hit that. That smile still makes me feel all giddy when I see it.

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13 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
15 hours ago, mommalib said:

"It was MY right to know I was contacted."  Nope.  You were incapable of understanding the dangers of an alcoholic parent and the overwhelming odds against her being truly "sober."   Not your call then, sweetie.

Plus: Isn't Cara old enough to realize this now??

At first, this is what Mr. Yeah No said, but I chalked it up to her youth and immaturity.  I'm old enough to realize it, but I don't know if I would have been at her age, and even if I did my emotions might have taken over anyway.  The actress that plays Cara is only 22.  14 wasn't that long ago.

14 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Plus, churches are known for covering up stuff for various reasons. I attended a non-denominational neighborhood church in the 90s in which some people "cased the joint" during the service, then came back and stole the (expensive) music equipment. For reasons I'm not getting into here, the perps were forgiven and became church members.

So they likely could have kept him out of prison, but, yeah, I have to agree, to watch this show you really do have to be willing to walk a pretty high wire/rope of suspension of disbelief regarding the "real life" parts of the scripts. IMO, a more well-written show would handle that better.

I agree.  Speaking of suspension of disbelief, even some of the relatively small stuff irks me on this show.  I'm a lifelong Episcopalian and there were a few glaring issues in this episode:

First of all, an Episcopal church would never be named after the area.  There would never be a "Harlem Episcopal Church".  Other denominations do that, but not this one.

Secondly, The "board" of an Episcopal church is called the "vestry".  I was a vestry member for years.  It's never called a board.

Thirdly, when Miles' dad burst out with wanting to sell "the house", they were clearly in a rectory house done in a similar style to the church, which is what an Episcopal priest would live in, and which would be part of the church property, not his possession to sell.

Now, I know most shows don't get stuff like this right, but a show that is filmed in an Episcopal church and is all ABOUT this stuff SHOULD.

That said, I still like this show a lot despite its flaws.

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1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

Thirdly, when Miles' dad burst out with wanting to sell "the house", they were clearly in a rectory house done in a similar style to the church, which is what an Episcopal priest would live in, and which would be part of the church property, not his possession to sell.

That's what I thought too, but there was also the line shortly after that implying that the "board" had to agree:

  • [Miles] You're gonna sell the house? No. No, you can't do that. There has to be another way.
  • [Dad] There isn't. And I won't send your uncle to prison. Let's just hope the board feels the same way. I've got to get down there.

—which does imply it's not Miles' Dad's house to sell. It's just that the prison line was wedged into the middle of it, which doesn't fit. And Miles' lines made it sound like it was his Dad's to sell, since he hadn't asked the "board" yet, so "you" didn't seem to be referring to the governing body of the church. It's like someone pointed out all the problems with the script that you noticed, @Yeah No, but then that person didn't get to read the re-write or something.

 I also thought (at another point) that it was highly unlikely that a priest or pastor would yell angrily at a family member in public. I thought maybe Joe Morton was auditioning for a different role, heh. But then I figured it was supposed to be like those TV private conversations that characters have 2 feet away from everyone else that nobody else can hear even though they're speaking at a regular volume.

This show isn't worse than most; that's just not saying very much.

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8 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

That's what I thought too, but there was also the line shortly after that implying that the "board" had to agree:

  • [Miles] You're gonna sell the house? No. No, you can't do that. There has to be another way.
  • [Dad] There isn't. And I won't send your uncle to prison. Let's just hope the board feels the same way. I've got to get down there.

—which does imply it's not Miles' Dad's house to sell. It's just that the prison line was wedged into the middle of it, which doesn't fit. And Miles' lines made it sound like it was his Dad's to sell, since he hadn't asked the "board" yet, so "you" didn't seem to be referring to the governing body of the church. It's like someone pointed out all the problems with the script that you noticed, @Yeah No, but then that person didn't get to read the re-write or something.

There was also one other thing that they got wrong, I can't remember the exact line but Dad also made some mention about the congregation or something like that being involved in the decision.  It it would actually be the Episcopal diocese that would decide whether or not to sell the rectory house, not even the vestry.

I'm actually living through something similar right now.  My husband and I sometimes go to a church in another town, and even though the vestry tried to prevent it, the diocese decided to sell the church and vacate the property.  Neither of us is on the vestry and we aren't in on all the details, but this decision seemed strange to us because there was never any mention of financial hardship on the part of the church to the congregation.  But it's the diocese's decision in the end, and it's very sad.  The congregation right now doesn't even know what's going to become of the more than 100 year old property.  It has a beautiful organ, too.

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I guess this is just Alternative-Universe Episcopalian. I generally hate it when posters call writers "lazy," but it does kind of feel that way when we can imagine the writers sitting around a table saying to each other: This is a show in which God is literally in the machine. Why bother Googling how the Episcopal Church works? Now who wants pizza?

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4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I guess this is just Alternative-Universe Episcopalian. I generally hate it when posters call writers "lazy," but it does kind of feel that way when we can imagine the writers sitting around a table saying to each other: This is a show in which God is literally in the machine. Why bother Googling how the Episcopal Church works? Now who wants pizza?

Especially when they're literally filming the show IN an Episcopal church.  It's not like they couldn't ask a few questions while there!

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