The Crazed Spruce May 2, 2018 Share May 2, 2018 Quote The town's mayoral race between Fred and Hermoine heats up; Hiram sets his sights on a new ally, Sheriff Minetta; Betty turns to Cheryl for help when she has a suspicion about the Black Hood; a mysterious message causes tension. Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 And we’re back! I’m hoping I enjoy this episode more than last weeks. Also yeah.. this episode is pretty absent for all the ships, except Varchie. Which I knew it would be going in, I just find it interesting in an odd way how many episodes are heavy on the Varchie relationship as if we should be wondering/worried about how they end the finale and awaiting doom for them. Just wondering. So Archie is door to dooring as a means to find a Black Hood and not to help Fred. Of course he is. I love Veronica putting makeup on Archie to hide his bruises. Also Veronica’s whole “mafia princess” about the suitors coming to see her and just that she calls herself that just proves to me that she has no problem with whatever her parents do. She loves it! No Hiram! We don’t need or want the black circle or the red circle back. No one wants this. Also.. damn, now there’s an another adult in the form of the police officer who wants to cause ruckus with teenagers? Aw. A Bughead moment. Where Betty doesn’t tell Jughead anything. I guess this was our Bughead moment for the episode? Also yay Betty and Cheryl teaming up! And scenes together. I know people think Betty was evil for blackmailing Cheryl with the video tape of Jason and her father but.. Cheryl is no saint. Anyone remember season one? I know the writers forget, but I don’t. Cheryl fat shamed Betty and said some cruel things about Polly daily. But whatever.. yay more scenes together! Hee,I love Cheryl’s explanation o why hAl couldn’t be the Black Hood and I kind of love Cheryl’s whole wanting to look into it. Also maybe he wouldn’t hurt you really betty, but then what the hell was he doing to you for weeks? That was hurting you Betty. I think Hermione May have started to realize her husband was a nut job when he started talking about Archie and his red circle. Serpents vs the bull dogs. Again. Also great, the goalies are back. Because we really wanted them back? Also shouldn’t there still be some of them around Riverdale High? Considering there were quite a few when Jughead was at Southside High and giving him crap, I don’t understand how we haven’t had any mention of them since before now. Whatever. So Fangs and midge were having a thing? I thought we were told he was gay. Didn’t they make it a point to... I don’t know imply that? Many times? Veronica in glasses dealing with Hiram’s new business prospects? Seriously, I still have no idea what Hiram’s business actually is. Still. We’re at the tail end of the season and I still have no idea what he does. Except for encouraging teenagers to stop serial killers and all that. “And this is the other one” OH Hiram, is such a teenage girl. Cheryl and Betty solving crimes. And now I don’t know.. Hal could be the black Hood. I think it’s awful to do that for Betty and also lazy and now it seems incredibly easy for It to be hal with what Betty is finding with Hal’s planner. I kind of love that Jughead thought he could ask for the video back. This season they really dumbed him down. So the Black Hood is sending Fred notes again? I don’t know: something about that note felt faux or off when Fred showed it. It just didn’t feel the same as when Betty got them at the start of this season. Oh Fred I love you but you should cancel the debate. It’s at this point that I think the Lodges sent a faux note to scare off Fred. Ugh. The body wasn’t chic. And watching Betty cry, no Betty, it’s fine, chic probably isn’t dead. If the show isn’t showing us a body, that means he’s still alive. And Betty decided dinner time is the time to tell her parents of the Black Hood and what she did. Also.. god damn if I never hear the word “darkness” again it’ll be all too soon! This show has ruined that word for me. Also was Hal’s admission of his darkness an admission of his actions? I think we were supposed to be think yes. The new sheriff is corrupt or he likes money and the Lodges paid Him off to release that video. Also hey look Toni got a scene where she got to talk. Veronica tried to make a deal and her dad said no. I don’t care. Oh good, we’re back to the beginning of season 2. Archie is standing guard with a bat. Hey look the red circle is going into a biker gang bar. In the real world, they would be killed. They set a dumpster on fire and slashed tires. Wait, Mayor McCoy is a lawyer? Why didn’t we know this? So Mr.Lodge is paying teenagers to cause riots? Okay seriously, Hiram is stuck as a teenager. So is Veronica going to start a casino? Cheryl is great. Loved when she and Betty were in Hal’s apartment “what are we looking for? Trophy’s from his victims?” I’m unsure of how to feel, all the evidence is pointing to them finding out Hal is the Black Hood but it feels real lazy. I know we should feel bad that Veronica is getting shut down by her ideas for Hiram’s new business but she is like 16 and hardly knows anything about business so eh. So urging the debate.. Hermione using the dark circle was kind of a low blow and also I wonder if she knew that Hiram was financially helping them out and just using it to goad Fred or if she didn’t know Hiram was doing this. And then the shooter.. I never thought it was the Black Hood. One the show is trying hard to make us believe it could be Hal. Seriously it’s probably him, I’m still going it isn’t but at this point they’ve just said who it is. Two it was looking like to me that the person who was shooting wasn’t in the black hooded outfit. My guess was it was a Southside. But then I was like “why are they shooting at Fred? He kind of likes the Southside”. Seriously. Also Fred being snipey with new sheriff, Fred Rules. Also Hiram being like “take this teenager along with you to fight the Black hood”. Uh, what? Veronica making sense about Hermione dropping out might be good for her. Oh Veronica, I love you lately, even this episode, I don’t get what you’re doing but your awesome. Also.. Hiram taking her money and putting it in a trust is kind of messed up but again.. I honestly don’t know what the writers are doing. It seems like it’s becoming too easy for Betty to be finding all these clues that make Hal the Black Hood, but also it’s being bad if she really is believing all these things are coincidence. Hey Joaquin. Something from last season of Riverdale? How are you? Just out for a guest appearance. Hiram has a new boyfriend named Reggie. And he’s telling him it’s time to attack some serpents. Veronica is now on team andrews. Also Varchie sexytimes, just because? Yeah.. I really don’t know what to make of Bettys call to her dad. I mean as I said the show is doing everything to be like “it’s Hal!” that it’s almost laughable at this point. And then it’s kind of like “really?” I don’t know. Also holy crap.. Reggie and the gun and he shot Someone! And killed them? Wow. Also let’s just slow clap for Hiram’s great plan! And the Black Hood is there for Cheryl! So I guess it is Hal? He now knows she was working with Betty to find out about him! I liked this episode better than last week 1 Link to comment
SeanC May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Given how we know that Archie and Betty's windows are right across from each other, I wonder if she ever gets a good look at the Archie/Veronica action (his window rarely seems to have the blinds drawn). Anyway, I thought that was a really good episode. The show at its best is very effective at building tension. Betty and Cheryl working together was a really fun dynamic. More of that, please. Though, sigh, Cheryl, you really do have the worst luck. 13 Link to comment
Advance35 May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 I like Hiram as a villain but it is REALLY low, how he's playing on the trauma of a minor. There was a point I wondered if Hiram was going to begin to regard Archie as a surrogate son, but last week and now this week has shown that outside of his potential uses to the Lodge's, Archie mean's very little to Hiram. He's Veronica's stud horse and the son of two people he hates (Fred and Mary). It's also clear he's growing tired of Veronica trying to rock the status quo in terms of how He and Hermione do things. Before the Blossom's set him up, Hiram is painted as having been a prominent member of High New York society. The Lodges motto is definitely "clean hands." They like to let others (seemingly) take the lead and the fall when it comes to their schemes. Hermione used Cheryl as the root of the Anti-Sheriff Keller movement and now Hiram plays Reggie Mantle like a cheap harmonica. Veronica.......lol.......You just KNOW she loved being the star of her own bachelorette. Kidding aside, the last few episodes have shown that Veronica Lodge is a little girl trying to tackle big girl problems. In over her head with her whole life. Commendable that she wants to slide her family into a more honest way of doing things but Hiram isn't interested in doing things differently. Veronica deciding to help Fred Andrews is only going to antagonize Hiram and we've seen, he is VERY vicious when antagonized. The Black Hood's appearance was very well placed at the end of the episode, accept it's Cheryl, arguably, the most popular character on the show. Nothing REALLY bad is going to happen to her. I had know idea Fangs was Bi. I do think he is the hottest serpent aesthetically. 8 Link to comment
tennisgurl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) Cheryl must have been excited to have to deal with someone elses crazy family for once! I liked her and Betty teaming up, that was a lot of fun. I also want to start using "hence fore" more often in casual conversation the way Cheryl does. Hiram certainly does like screwing with an manipulating teenagers, doesn't he? I did kind of love him throwing so much shade at Jughead to the new Sheriff. "Heres Archie, who created the Black Circle, and heres Jughead, who is the worst". Hal almost seems too obvious now. And, as Cheryl says, Hal is basically a middle aged dad, does he really have the energy for all the running the Black hood does? I mean, the old janitor was thought to be the killer at fist, but he certainly wasn't. The scene with Archie and Jughead holding back their respective sides and looking at each other looked like a scene from West Side Story. I thought they were about to start singing about their star crossed love. Well, as with most things in Riverdale, that escalated quickly. Reggie just totally shot him! Edited May 3, 2018 by tennisgurl 8 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) Yeah.. if it is Hal at this point, they really are underestimating their viewers. This episode really was just missing a random person walking by each and every scene with a sign saying “yup, the Black Hood is Hal”, like the dream episode of Buffy and the guy with the cheese who showed up in everyone’s dreams. Yeah.. it’s hard to even like Reggie now. How are they going to rework this? Is Archie going to take the fall for Reggie? And why? Also I’m really curious about Veronica pre Riverdale right now. Only because this seems like the first time she’s even stood up to Hiram. And maybe perhaps living in Riverdale being around her new friends has shown her something but it’s just interesting to me. I know this may be the first time she’s been introduced into his world and his work(whatever the hell that is, I honestly have no idea, I guess he just makes property’s? And businesses?) because I remember when he first arrived in season 2 and she made a speech about how she’s older now shad she wants in. But still. I guess she just sat at the dinner table and never spoke about anything? Edited May 3, 2018 by WhosThatGirl 1 Link to comment
Snookums May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Okay, what the hell? This was two thirds a great Riverdale episode filled to the brim with crazy and one third "two teams of writers not reading each other's drafts." Quote I know we should feel bad that Veronica is getting shut down by her ideas for Hiram’s new business but she is like 16 and hardly knows anything about business so eh. Let's start here, shall we? So, the other families were impressed by a sixteen year old girl turning the tables on a sixteen year old rapist/wannbe killer? I mean okay, I guess, they aren't exactly Lutheran potluck throwers here, fine. And I'm sure none of them thought of Nick St. Clair as anything more than an embarrassment who got what he deserved, and sooooo....the Dreadful Hs announce that she's supposed to meet up with all the various sons who showed enough brains to not kidnap her boyfriend for; courting? Networking? The hell? Hiram and Hermione INSISTED on these meetings. Really underlined how important they were. For a bunch of teenagers to generate the next wave of business opportunities. Okay! So Vee does just that! That exact thing! Takes meetings, does interviews, decides on the casino guy (who was really only there to drag that Papa Poutine idiocy out of its grave but whatever) as the best bet, runs to her dad to share that she's done what asked her to do: And Hiram shuts her down. Tells her she doesn't know what she's doing, the casinos are a front, concentrate on the debate, yadda yadda yadda. Well if that's true, Mafia Genius, why in the holy hell did you have her do all this in the first damn place? WHY? All he did was drive Ronnie off in a one eighty towards Archie and Fred (and the whole "we all almost became a row of tin ducks but YOU'RE NOT DROPPING OUT OF THE RACE, WIFE OF MINE" thing didn't help a bit) and who can blame her? Seriously, Hiram is really as dumb as Archie. He spends all his time snarking on, betraying, and recruiting teenagers to do all his dirty work. You think Reggie and the rest of that band of morons won't yap their heads off about how Hiram paid them to damage property and most likely gave Reg that gun in the first place? If Ronnie can get that casino license more power to her, frankly. And over here, Betty and the Black Hood thing! I didn't mind most of this story line--she and Cheryl as a teen detecting duo are terrific and they did a good job setting up the tension (which is why she and Jug had ONE scene together; together they tend to actually figure things out) but. Okay, at the debate, it is very clearly underlined, in thick black ink, that the BH is not Hal. He's sitting there in the auditorium when the shooting starts and he and Betty are crouched front and center as the bullets ricochet (and by the by, how bad a shot is this guy? That's a rifle! He had targets that seemed literally impossible to miss and yet apparently not one person was even grazed [also, the podiums are made of vibrainium or something because those high powered bullets didn't pierce them even once]. But the sheriff's men were aiming right back at HIM and missed as well, so maybe it's a curse that only the Blossoms can hit what they fire at.) ANYWAY. So they seem to make a very big point that Hal is NOT the BH, and further highlight this with the convo she has with him later about the Nancy Drew book. So why, thirty seconds later, does she pull out that other hood, call Hal, and tell him to meet her at the auditorium (that isn't a crime scene, I guess: not a cop or trace of police tape anywhere) to "continue their conversation?" Seriously, what's going on? Does she think Hal hired somebody to shoot up town hall? That he's partners with somebody? What? But a Black Hood is now threatening Cheryl so I really, truly cannot grasp what's happening here. Meanwhile Betty's true love is unaware of any of this because he's trying to keep a teenager from getting killed while the new corrupt sheriff has no problem publicly putting said teenager outside with a steak around his neck and whistling for the dogs. They never spoke this entire time except right at the beginning, but that's okay because he and Archie now exist on the same plane again, not that it's going to do anybody any damn good since the entire town is going up in flames. I'm starting to wonder if Hiram's plan is actually to burn everything to the ground because of the platinum mine under town hall or whatever. 13 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Snookums said: Okay, what the hell? This was two thirds a great Riverdale episode filled to the brim with crazy and one third "two teams of writers not reading each other's drafts." Let's start here, shall we? So, the other families were impressed by a sixteen year old girl turning the tables on a sixteen year old rapist/wannbe killer? I mean okay, I guess, they aren't exactly Lutheran potluck throwers here, fine. And I'm sure none of them thought of Nick St. Clair as anything more than an embarrassment who got what he deserved, and sooooo....the Dreadful Hs announce that she's supposed to meet up with all the various sons who showed enough brains to not kidnap her boyfriend for; courting? Networking? The hell? Hiram and Hermione INSISTED on these meetings. Really underlined how important they were. For a bunch of teenagers to generate the next wave of business opportunities. Okay! So Vee does just that! That exact thing! Takes meetings, does interviews, decides on the casino guy (who was really only there to drag that Papa Poutine idiocy out of its grave but whatever) as the best bet, runs to her dad to share that she's done what asked her to do: And Hiram shuts her down. Tells her she doesn't know what she's doing, the casinos are a front, concentrate on the debate, yadda yadda yadda. Well if that's true, Mafia Genius, why in the holy hell did you have her do all this in the first damn place? WHY? All he did was drive Ronnie off in a one eighty towards Archie and Fred (and the whole "we all almost became a row of tin ducks but YOU'RE NOT DROPPING OUT OF THE RACE, WIFE OF MINE" thing didn't help a bit) and who can blame her? Seriously, Hiram is really as dumb as Archie. He spends all his time snarking on, betraying, and recruiting teenagers to do all his dirty work. You think Reggie and the rest of that band of morons won't yap their heads off about how Hiram paid them to damage property and most likely gave Reg that gun in the first place? If Ronnie can get that casino license more power to her, frankly. And over here, Betty and the Black Hood thing! I didn't mind most of this story line--she and Cheryl as a teen detecting duo are terrific and they did a good job setting up the tension (which is why she and Jug had ONE scene together; together they tend to actually figure things out) but. Okay, at the debate, it is very clearly underlined, in thick black ink, that the BH is not Hal. He's sitting there in the auditorium when the shooting starts and he and Betty are crouched front and center as the bullets ricochet (and by the by, how bad a shot is this guy? That's a rifle! He had targets that seemed literally impossible to miss and yet apparently not one person was even grazed [also, the podiums are made of vibrainium or something because those high powered bullets didn't pierce them even once]. But the sheriff's men were aiming right back at HIM and missed as well, so maybe it's a curse that only the Blossoms can hit what they fire at.) ANYWAY. So they seem to make a very big point that Hal is NOT the BH, and further highlight this with the convo she has with him later about the Nancy Drew book. So why, thirty seconds later, does she pull out that other hood, call Hal, and tell him to meet her at the auditorium (that isn't a crime scene, I guess: not a cop or trace of police tape anywhere) to "continue their conversation?" Seriously, what's going on? Does she think Hal hired somebody to shoot up town hall? That he's partners with somebody? What? But a Black Hood is now threatening Cheryl so I really, truly cannot grasp what's happening here. Meanwhile Betty's true love is unaware of any of this because he's trying to keep a teenager from getting killed while the new corrupt sheriff has no problem publicly putting said teenager outside with a steak around his neck and whistling for the dogs. They never spoke this entire time except right at the beginning, but that's okay because he and Archie now exist on the same plane again, not that it's going to do anybody any damn good since the entire town is going up in flames. I'm starting to wonder if Hiram's plan is actually to burn everything to the ground because of the platinum mine under town hall or whatever. Yeah.. there were parts I didn’t understand about this episode but the show seems to be going back and forth on everything. Hal is the Black Hood because all the evidence is indicating he is.. then again all the evidence is indicating he is! It’s too easy for this to be the case, right? As I said the writing is really lazy or they really think us viewers aren’t smart to pick this up? That it’s way too easy and early for Betty to be finding context clues that indicate that hal is the blackhood. But I don’t know. The writers probably at this point realize the black hood story was more than they could chew and were like “we just need to wrap this up” and don’t care anymore about how stupid they’re making it. Hell.. at this point they really just want to write about gang riots and stuff and as much as I dislike the gang story, I can’t blame them for wanting to write that instead of this stupid Black hood corner they’ve dropped the show into. 2 Link to comment
twoods May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 What the hell, Hiram. Practically making Reggie take justice into his own hands? Why is he making teenagers do his dirty work? And don’t those idiots know that the Black Hood is a middle aged guy, not Fangs? Idiots. But poor Fangs! So Hal is the Black Hood, but then he’s not. I’m so confused, but at least it’s a good mystery. I’m surprised Betty came clean about Black Hood and Chic. Poor Cheryl. We know that she isn’t going to die. More crocodile tears and pouty lips next week. 5 Link to comment
Cranberry May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Gosh, I just love Cheryl. "Dear cousin, you look harrowed." "Wherefore comes this accusation?" It's even better because nobody responds to her using the same language, so it's like someone spliced together scenes from a Shakespeare adaptation and a typical CW teen show every time she's part of a conversation. 14 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 I think Hiram not only set up the debate shooter but that he also sent Fred a faux black Hood note. That note felt off to me and I’m sure he knows all about the Black hood notes from his fire place chats with Archie. 1 Link to comment
HunterHunted May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) Hiram's dumb plans are dumb. You would think he was Cesare Borgia trying to stitch the country of Italy together from a collection of city states with the amount of scheming Hiram does. He's opening a freaking prison. There's no need to have a newspaper, sheriff, and mayor in his pocket. I keep thinking his real plans have to bigger than this dumb prison because no one go to this amount of effort over a private prison. I'd like to think he's ruining the town so that he can buy the property cheaply because it's sitting on a massive petroleum deposit. Veronica is 16. She can't step foot onto a gaming floor let alone own a casino. How on Earth is Riverdale not calling for the new sheriff's head? Midge is killed. He can't catch the Black Hood nor does he conclusively prove Fangs did it. He lets a crowd build to a riot like lather until Fangs is shot and an actual riot breaks out. Keller kind of sucked, but things never got that bad when he was on the job. The Serpents were going to smuggle Fangs to San Junipero. Ha. Edited May 3, 2018 by HunterHunted 11 Link to comment
NicoleQueen May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, HunterHunted said: Veronica is 16. She can't step foot onto a gaming floor let alone own a casino. Remember when Veronica was also a legal officer of Lodge Industries and Hermione had to actually ask her to sign a motion? But I guess in Riverdale there really is no such thing as law. Fangs' newfound het/bi sexuality aside, why did they took him out when everyone knew the timing of his release? Couldn't they wait for a couple of hours until some of that crowd dispersed? And I don't think I saw that many Serpents present which I found weird considering people were ready to lynch one of their own. Edited May 3, 2018 by NicoleQueen 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Yeah, it was kind of odd that it mostly seemed like the teen serpents (and FP) trying to get fangs out. Also my guess is no one in town is going to care about a Southside teenager getting shot except for the other southsiders so I think the new sheriff will probably be fine. Link to comment
Al D May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 I just can't with how petty Hiram is. He really is a 16 year old girl stuck in a grown mans body. And now he's got a new boyfriend, how sweet. Apparently the boys of Riverdale are really easily manipulated? Now that Ronnie has decided she no longer wants part of her Dad's ?plans? I'm really hoping it's not long before Hermione follows suit because I loved their relationship together at the start of season 1. 12 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said: Wait, Mayor McCoy is a lawyer? Why didn’t we know this? They did mention it a while back when she first reigned as Mayor and she was going to be Alice's lawyer at the Blossom will reading. There's way too many clues pointing to Hal to make him the BH. The Town Hall shooter could of been hired to be a fake BH but I really hope not. I still think it has something to do with Hiram. Could Hiram be paying Hal even? Hal seemed more than happy to sell the Register to him. I guess we'll have to wait and see where the story goes from here. I really really hope that it wasn't Reggie's gun that shot Fangs, I hope Archie stopped him in time and that it was actually someone else but Reggie is still going to get the blame. Either way, I can't see the new Sheriff who is being paid off by Hiram actually arresting Reggie, maybe he'll arrest/try to pin it on Archie since he's now backed off from Hiram? Also I really hope Fangs doesn't actually die. And they're obviously no going to kill Cheryl off. Since her mother still clearly lives at Thistle House I think the BH will be there for her, and who would even be upset by that really? (Where's Claudius disappeared off to by the way? Last we saw he was looking over Nana Rose when she was on the phone and haven't seen him since). 2 Link to comment
HunterHunted May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, NicoleQueen said: Remember when Veronica was also a legal officer of Lodge Industries and Hermione had to actually ask her to sign a motion? But I guess in Riverdale there really is no such thing as law. While corporations often own and operate casinos, gaming boards need actual individuals to hold gaming licenses. These individuals are fingerprinted and have their backgrounds investigated. Hiram with his history of fraud and financial crimes would never qualify for that license. Veronica wouldn't qualify either because of her age. Hermione would. However, this show's understanding of money and business is worse than Arrow's. 2 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said: Yeah, it was kind of odd that it mostly seemed like the teen serpents (and FP) trying to get fangs out. Also my guess is no one in town is going to care about a Southside teenager getting shot except for the other southsiders so I think the new sheriff will probably be fine. I think regardless of whether any of the northsiders care if Fangs is killed, no one likes violence and the possibility of being shot. They have 2 high profile shootings: the Black Hood shooting at the mayoral candidates and Reggie shooting Fangs. All of which gives the impression that Riverdale isn't that safe. 1 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, HunterHunted said: While corporations often own and operate casinos, gaming boards need actual individuals to hold gaming licenses. These individuals are fingerprinted and have their backgrounds investigated. Hiram with his history of fraud and financial crimes would never qualify for that license. Veronica wouldn't qualify either because of her age. Hermione would. However, this show's understanding of money and business is worse than Arrow's. I think regardless of whether any of the northsiders care if Fangs is killed, no one likes violence and the possibility of being shot. They have 2 high profile shootings: the Black Hood shooting at the mayoral candidates and Reggie shooting Fangs. All of which gives the impression that Riverdale isn't that safe. I never know with this show and what the townspeople are going to be like. It’s obvious that the new sheriff is clearly corrupt and working under Hiram and his money, so who knows. Also I still think the note Fred got was faux and also I think the shooting at the debate was fake. I think Hiram wanted to scare Fred from wanting to be mayor. But it is obvious Hermione knows nothing of his plans, the way she was drinking in her last scene. Also again.. Hiram is doing all this for a Prison?!?? Let’s remember, this is his end goal. At least from what we are being told. There’s more right? Because it’s becoming ridiculous. I don’t want Fangs to die. And also yeah I’m thinking Reggie won’t be the shooter but again he went there with a gun and wanted to hurt someone. So regardless he isn’t that great of a character right now. 1 Link to comment
TaylorBruh25 May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) Lol, POOR FANGS! No, but seriously, we doubled down on our craziness from last week, this felt as much suspenseful as it was at the start of this season. Good job, Riverdale. 1. I’ve mentioned I love the comic book stuff so I love that the Dark/Red Circle stuff is around for now at least, but It. Is. So. Rushed. 2. Let me try to explain my main problem with season 2. It’s doing what shows like The Originals and The Flash did in their second Seasons. It’s burning through too much story too fast. The Black Hood should be this seasons main villain, we still could’ve had the fake out, and had the Penny Peabody/Chic stuff in the middle. The Black Hood hasn’t even interacted with Jughead or Veronica. Or almost any other character besides really Betty, Archie seen him once as far as we know. Hiram, Archie being against Hiram, then joining Hiram, then REALLY joining Hiram over everyone else, then the mob stuff, is completely packed for another whole season easy. Same thing can be said for The Ghoulies. Jughead/Serpents vs Ghoulies, all that stuff is too much for even 22 episodes. I’m only so frustrated because I would love for these storylines to get the meat they deserve, but the show just wants everyone to be like “OMG CHAOS EVERYWHERE” which I mean, yeah that’s how it is but still. So, I loved the episode, Jughead and Archie on a team is what I always need, I need more of their brotherly stuff from S1 though. Completely did not care and was not surprised Hiram doesn’t take the women in his life serious, he’s obviously a sociopath, every word he’s said every thought he’s had in the series so far has been strategic for himself. Like I said, poor fangs is everyone seriously stupid enough to believe he’s the Black Hood? Reggie Super bro is you know, the bad jock to foil Archie’s good jock, which the dynamic is cool but like Archie said, he’s an idiot. I don’t remember Cheryl investigating her father at all, I know she was suspicious, but wasn’t anywhere near sure until Betty called her. But their scenes didn’t suck. Call off the debate Fred, dumbass. Yeah Archie is my favorite in the show, he was literally going door to door looking for the Black Hood, yeah brave is mostly dumb I will never applaud the brave. Like Betty, who is trying to trap her father! lol I love this show. Oh yeah, Archie better be involved in taking the BH down! We’ve been building this all season it better not be like Betty just saving Cheryl and stopping him with that damn revolver. On the topic of the BH, it’s either Hal or the Scream double killers thing, which is Chic and Charles. Or Hal and Chic. Weren’t promised a surprise regarding his identity? Oh and I called that whole Archie/Hiram thing being about Archie feeing weak at diner, Damn it Fred it took this long to see your son trying to be Batman and Superman (Red/Dark Circle) to realize he just wants to be strong? It took Hiram a minute after meeting him and he manipulated him 10 ways from Sunday. What else? Uh didn’t care for the bacchelrotte stuff now, probably be a fun episode on its own. Is Kevin part of the Dark Circle? And wheres Josie? Oh and new sheriff isn’t any better than Keller if a serial killer is attacking the mayoral race and you’ve let a teenager die in one night. P. S. My ideal version of taking down The Black Hood is just A,J, B, & V jumping him in a room or something. Edited May 3, 2018 by TaylorBruh25 3 Link to comment
HunterHunted May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said: Also again.. Hiram is doing all this for a Prison?!?? Let’s remember, this is his end goal. At least from what we are being told. There’s more right? Because it’s becoming ridiculous. I would love if the prison was a cover and that Hiram was actually after a petroleum deposit or rhodium or platinum under the town. While no one loves a prison, the type of environmental damage you can do while drilling for oil, fracking, or mining is permanent and irrevocable. And if Hiram manages to run everyone out of town, it will be much easier for him to demonstrate that his mine or oil drilling has minimal impact on human health and welfare because no one lives in Riverdale. But a prison...nah. This is too much effort for a prison. 4 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, HunterHunted said: I would love if the prison was a cover and that Hiram was actually after a petroleum deposit or rhodium or platinum under the town. While no one loves a prison, the type of environmental damage you can do while drilling for oil, fracking, or mining is permanent and irrevocable. And if Hiram manages to run everyone out of town, it will be much easier for him to demonstrate that his mine or oil drilling has minimal impact on human health and welfare because no one lives in Riverdale. But a prison...nah. This is too much effort for a prison. Right? It’s becoming really ridiculous and like not a fun ridiculous. Like why is he putting so much effort into this? Eta; Also I need to mention there was no Chic last night and I can’t help but think there’s a correlation to why my favorite episodes in the back half of this season have little Chic or none at all. Don’t bring him back show, please don’t! Edited May 3, 2018 by WhosThatGirl 2 Link to comment
Ruby Red May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) Ohh, I actually quite liked this episode but at the same time I am laughing at all the sloppy writing. The problem with this season is, it has all the themes that are interesting! Privilege, classism, power, poverty and wealth and there is so much you could do with all these characters. If this was a well written show, they would be talking about mental health issues and you have all these characters who have all the potential to be complex characters and given way more depth and if there was more consistent characterization and motives. It has all the material to have a great story, world building and characters. I will probably repeat this again when 2x22 airs but this season had way too many plots that could have been going on for two seasons had everything been developed properly and executed well. They had enough material for maybe even 3 seasons. As someone said before, it is obvious that the writers had no idea who the Black Hood was from the start and now they are trying to just wrap up everything in a neat bow tie and meanwhile, the Southsiders and Northsiders are starting a riot in the town and there is also Hiram's plans for the town and he is evil. Not sure if this is working well, I think it is badly planned. They could have just finished up the BH story in 2A. There is something that I do find important that the writers have sacrificed in favour of plot, plot, plot and the quick pacing. The relationships between the characters. I am not talking only about romance, but also the friendships and even enemies becoming friends and characters finding common ground, Along with characters having room to breathe and responding with normal human emotions. None of these characters are even really communicating. Some thoughts: 1. I really did enjoy the Cheryl and Betty scenes, they work well together and I have always wanted them to be friends. But the blackmailing thing has tainted things a little, also Cheryl treated Betty like crap at the stand it could have used more build up than a sudden 180 degrees and Cheryl calling Betty "cousin" so many times. I do think Lili and Madelaine have a nice chemistry together and they both are talented young women. That Betty and Cheryl scene with Betty crying really was well acted by Lili! And of course Madelaine also has her subtle and strong moments 2. Betty's behaviour was inconsistent when it came to Hal and her suspicion, and she did not make many good moves... But let's remember, she is also traumatized and has gone through a lot.. If Hal really is the Black Hood, I just hope he was not the one behind the phone calls because some of those were really creepy, he got to have people working for him. Like the shooter at the school. 3. That Veronica plot was so random and the writers did not know what they could do with Veronica this episode? But she is now taking the side of the Andrews. Writers, give her a storyline of her own next season! 4. I loved Jughead in this episode, he cares so much and would do anything for the people he cares about. Fangs was also so soft and the actor was pretty good. I do think it would have had more of an impact if Jughead's friendship with Fangs had been been developed more because we never saw any of it. He mostly build up a friendship with Toni. But still, I really felt for them! It was a sweet moment with Jughead, Fangs, Toni and Sweet Pea! I do think Fangs will survive and wow that whole scene when he got shot! I felt so bad for him through the episode. 5. And yeah... I don't like Betty and Jughead not communicating, not telling each other all the hell that is going on in their lives. The separate storylines does not bother me, they don't have to be attached to the hip 24/7. Was I bothered by Jughead not taking Betty seriously when she said maybe Hal is the Black Hood? A little, but he can't read her mind and Jughead was talking about how things could not be worse than Chic and Betty said in a soft voice, "What if my dad is the Black Hood?" so I get why he took it as a joke. Was I bothered by Jughead not checking up on Betty when she calle dhim about the shooting at the school, while Fangs was just sitting there in his jail cell and nothing was really happening? A little. But since we did not see the phone call, Betty probably assured him that she was doing good and there was nothing else he could do and that she had her parents comforting her. While Jughead was also dealing with the stuff with his friend. This time Jughead has a better excuse because his friends really needed him and Betty has not told him anything, so I can't blame him. This is not like in 2A. And maybe Betty wants to protect Jughead and not drag him into another mess as he willingly helped covering up a murder. Did I think all of this was in-character? Not really. If Betty and Jughead had talked to each other about their problems, it would have been more difficult to manage the two different plots so they had to force them to do things that felt rather OOC, at least after the developments of 2x12 and 2x13. I would have liked some short sweet moments though, I don't see the problem with 1 second of a kiss on the cheek or a quick line of, "Calle me if you need me." or something like that just to show their strong connection. They don't need a big moment every episode, but small ones would be nice as well. But I do hope 2x21 and 2x22 will have some good moments. 6. So, did Archie and Jughead made up of all the sudden? They had conflict a few episodes ago and did not resolve anything and now they are cool? They have to stop dropping plots and I am saying again, have these characters communicate. I do like their friendship. 7. I am not sure what to think of Reggie. Clearly he did not shot Fangs. But what is wrong with him? Why does he dislike the Serpents so much? He talked to Hiram and brought a gun with him. Now that Charles is a regular, how are they going to write Reggie next season? His worldview on the Southside hopefully will change. ALso, the way he talks about women, ew. The ending, oh no Cheryl! I am sure she will be fine though. I am looking forward to what the next two episodes will bring. Edited May 3, 2018 by Ruby Red 5 Link to comment
Snookums May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Quote How on Earth is Riverdale not calling for the new sheriff's head? Midge is killed. He can't catch the Black Hood nor does he conclusively prove Fangs did it. He lets a crowd build to a riot like lather until Fangs is shot and an actual riot breaks out. Keller kind of sucked, but things never got that bad when he was on the job. And the Lodges have been out and proud about this! Hermione announced it during the minute and a half of the debate! It's not like they're hiding who they are, at all. I'm half expecting them to hold a Mafia Days celebration in the park with Veronica and the Miraculously Recovered From The Void Pussycats singing. As to the prison, it MUST be a cover for something. Nobody goes to this much damn effort for a for-profit prison unless they're building it over a uranium mine or Elder Gods storage pit or something. Perhaps the evil plan is to have giant metal plated door over the pit and use the prisoners as slave labor? That would at least be the grandiose level of evil that requires this much brouhaha and fussing. 1 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Ruby Red said: Ohh, I actually quite liked this episode but at the same time I am laughing at all the sloppy writing. The problem with this season is, it has all the themes that are interesting! Privilege, classism, power, poverty and wealth and there is so much you could do with all these characters. If this was a well written show, they would be talking about mental health issues and you have all these characters who have all the potential to be complex characters and given way more depth and if there was more consistent characterization and motives. It has all the material to have a great story, world building and characters. I will probably repeat this again when 2x22 airs but this season had way too many plots that could have been going on for two seasons had everything been developed properly and executed well. They had enough material for maybe even 3 seasons. As someone said before, it is obvious that the writers had no idea who the Black Hood was from the start and now they are trying to just wrap up everything in a neat bow tie and meanwhile, the Southsiders and Northsiders are starting a riot in the town and there is also Hiram's plans for the town and he is evil. Not sure if this is working well, I think it is badly planned. They could have just finished up the BH story in 2A. There is something that I do find important that the writers have sacrificed in favour of plot, plot, plot and the quick pacing. The relationships between the characters. I am not talking only about romance, but also the friendships and even enemies becoming friends and characters finding common ground, Along with characters having room to breathe and responding with normal human emotions. None of these characters are even really communicating. Some thoughts: 1. I really did enjoy the Cheryl and Betty scenes, they work well together and I have always wanted them to be friends. But the blackmailing thing has tainted things a little, also Cheryl treated Betty like crap at the stand it could have used more build up than a sudden 180 degrees and Cheryl calling Betty "cousin" so many times. I do think Lili and Madelaine have a nice chemistry together and they both are talented young women. That Betty and Cheryl scene with Betty crying really was well acted by Lili! And of course Madelaine also has her subtle and strong moments 2. Betty's behaviour was inconsistent when it came to Hal and her suspicion, and she did not make many good moves... But let's remember, she is also traumatized and has gone through a lot.. If Hal really is the Black Hood, I just hope he was not the one behind the phone calls because some of those were really creepy, he got to have people working for him. Like the shooter at the school. 3. That Veronica plot was so random and the writers did not know what they could do with Veronica this episode? But she is now taking the side of the Andrews. Writers, give her a storyline of her own next season! 4. I loved Jughead in this episode, he cares so much and would do anything for the people he cares about. Fangs was also so soft and the actor was pretty good. I do think it would have had more of an impact if Jughead's friendship with Fangs had been been developed more because we never saw any of it. He mostly build up a friendship with Toni. But still, I really felt for them! It was a sweet moment with Jughead, Fangs, Toni and Sweet Pea! I do think Fangs will survive and wow that whole scene when he got shot! I felt so bad for him through the episode. 5. And yeah... I don't like Betty and Jughead not communicating, not telling each other all the hell that is going on in their lives. The separate storylines does not bother me, they don't have to be attached to the hip 24/7. Was I bothered by Jughead not taking Betty seriously when she said maybe Hal is the Black Hood? A little, but he can't read her mind and Jughead was talking about how things could not be worse than Chic and Betty said in a soft voice, "What if my dad is the Black Hood?" so I get why he took it as a joke. Was I bothered by Jughead not checking up on Betty when she calle dhim about the shooting at the school, while Fangs was just sitting there in his jail cell and nothing was really happening? A little. But since we did not see the phone call, Betty probably assured him that she was doing good and there was nothing else he could do and that she had her parents comforting her. While Jughead was also dealing with the stuff with his friend. This time Jughead has a better excuse because his friends really needed him and Betty has not told him anything, so I can't blame him. This is not like in 2A. And maybe Betty wants to protect Jughead and not drag him into another mess as he willingly helped covering up a murder. Did I think all of this was in-character? Not really. If Betty and Jughead had talked to each other about their problems, it would have been more difficult to manage the two different plots so they had to force them to do things that felt rather OOC, at least after the developments of 2x12 and 2x13. I would have liked some short sweet moments though, I don't see the problem with 1 second of a kiss on the cheek or a quick line of, "Calle me if you need me." or something like that just to show their strong connection. But I do hope 2x21 and 2x22 will have some good moments. 6. So, did Archie and Jughead made up of all the sudden? They had conflict a few episodes ago and did not resolve anything and now they are cool? They have to stop dropping plots and I am saying again, have these characters communicate. I do like their friendship. 7. I am not sure what to think of Reggie. Clearly he did not shot Fangs. But what is wrong with him? Why does he dislike the Serpents so much? He talked to Hiram and brought a gun with him. Now that Charles is a regular, how are they going to write Reggie next season? His worldview on the Southside hopefully will change. The ending, oh no Cheryl! I am sure she will be fine though. I am looking forward to what the next two episodes will bring. I’m a person who has said from the start that I honestly don’t think the writers ever had a real plan for the Black hood. I think they had some ideas kind of, But I think they changed their minds. And then they for some stupid reason made it a random janitor to throw people off for like eight episodes and make us think it was over. I don’t understand. It also doesn’t help that the Black hood should have been Archie’s big story and even how it’s supposed to at times but for me it’s still mostly Bettys story. And it has pretty much separated her from a lot of the characters. They didn’t have a plan for this story. Eta to add more thoughts: if it ends up being Hal, it’s bad. Not only story wise but also because then this episode is such lazy writing. Like really? And then I will be proven right that the writers are just trying to wrap this story up because they don’t give a damn really about how they end it. Which is sad. This would have been a great idea, had they known what they wanted it to be but I honestly don’t think they ever did. I really honestly think they kept changing their minds. Edited May 3, 2018 by WhosThatGirl Link to comment
funandfitpt May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 I love how this show can be so cheesy one minute and then so good the next. Cheesy - Papa Poutine and Small Fry, earn your bones (do people really talk like that?), the lamest mafia ever. Let's make deals over chocolate milkshakes. Also, why does Betty have the lollipop ringtone for the BH? Is it only set up for his number? Why that one? Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, funandfitpt said: I love how this show can be so cheesy one minute and then so good the next. Cheesy - Papa Poutine and Small Fry, earn your bones (do people really talk like that?), the lamest mafia ever. Let's make deals over chocolate milkshakes. Also, why does Betty have the lollipop ringtone for the BH? Is it only set up for his number? Why that one? I assume that’s her ringtone for unknown numbers. I doubt she has the Black hood saved in her phone, he probably calls from an unlisted number anyway. 1 Link to comment
rogvortex58 May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Hiram is definitely the worst. Pitting Archie and Fred against each other over a car is one thing. But this is going too far. Exploiting Midge’s death and setting up Fangs as a suspect just to cause civil unrest, that gets an innocent kid shot. It’s like he doesn’t even care what happens to anyone else in town. As long as he gets what he wants. Clifford might have been evil. But he was a coward who hid the truth and framed FP. Hiram operates on a different level of villain by manipulating people to do his dirty work, and making life worse for everyone else in town. He’s a sociopath. 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, rogvortex58 said: Hiram is definitely the worst. Pitting Archie and Fred against each other over a car is one thing. But this is going too far. Exploiting Midge’s death and setting up Fangs as a suspect just to cause civil unrest, that gets an innocent kid shot. It’s like he doesn’t even care what happens to anyone else in town. As long as he gets what he wants. Clifford might have been evil. But he was a coward who hid the truth and framed FP. Hiram operates on a different level of villain by manipulating people to do his dirty work, and making life worse for everyone else in town. He’s a sociopath. Also Hiram is using teenagers. Clifford used Jughead as a pawn but Hiram is activity encouraging teenagers to use violence. He was encouraging Reggie to do something when Fangs got released. But who knows where that’s going. Also he appears to be gaslighting his female family members. Veronica isn’t standing for that but as I said I’m like 99% sure he set up the faux note to Fred and the shooter during the campaign and we see how Hermione is (not) handling this situation. And yeah she’s shaken up because she has no idea what’s going on but I’m sure Hiram set it all up. 2 Link to comment
AdorkableSars May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 13 hours ago, Cranberry said: Gosh, I just love Cheryl. "Dear cousin, you look harrowed." "Wherefore comes this accusation?" It's even better because nobody responds to her using the same language, so it's like someone spliced together scenes from a Shakespeare adaptation and a typical CW teen show every time she's part of a conversation. Cheryl is so extra, and I absolutely love it. Props to Madelaine's line deliveries! 5 hours ago, Al D said: There's way too many clues pointing to Hal to make him the BH. The Town Hall shooter could of been hired to be a fake BH but I really hope not. I still think it has something to do with Hiram. Could Hiram be paying Hal even? Hal seemed more than happy to sell the Register to him. I guess we'll have to wait and see where the story goes from here. I will honestly be pissed if Hal is the Black Hood. It just seems too obvious. And also, I think this is probably a hugely unpopular opinion, but I actually like Hal. And I want the Coopers to regain some normalcy once all of this Black Hood shit is done. And I want that to include Hal, and Polly and her twins. 4 hours ago, TaylorBruh25 said: 2. Let me try to explain my main problem with season 2. It’s doing what shows like The Originals and The Flash did in their second Seasons. It’s burning through too much story too fast. The Black Hood should be this seasons main villain, we still could’ve had the fake out, and had the Penny Peabody/Chic stuff in the middle. The Black Hood hasn’t even interacted with Jughead or Veronica. Or almost any other character besides really Betty, Archie seen him once as far as we know. Hiram, Archie being against Hiram, then joining Hiram, then REALLY joining Hiram over everyone else, then the mob stuff, is completely packed for another whole season easy. Same thing can be said for The Ghoulies. Jughead/Serpents vs Ghoulies, all that stuff is too much for even 22 episodes. I’m only so frustrated because I would love for these storylines to get the meat they deserve, but the show just wants everyone to be like “OMG CHAOS EVERYWHERE” which I mean, yeah that’s how it is but still. So, I loved the episode, Jughead and Archie on a team is what I always need, I need more of their brotherly stuff from S1 though. Completely did not care and was not surprised Hiram doesn’t take the women in his life serious, he’s obviously a sociopath, every word he’s said every thought he’s had in the series so far has been strategic for himself. P. S. My ideal version of taking down The Black Hood is just A,J, B, & V jumping him in a room or something. Also loved the Jughead/Archie this episode. Gimme more of that, please. And I'd like to cosign on your P.S., but also add Cheryl in there... 1 hour ago, Ruby Red said: The problem with this season is, it has all the themes that are interesting! Privilege, classism, power, poverty and wealth and there is so much you could do with all these characters. If this was a well written show, they would be talking about mental health issues and you have all these characters who have all the potential to be complex characters and given way more depth and if there was more consistent characterization and motives. It has all the material to have a great story, world building and characters. I will probably repeat this again when 2x22 airs but this season had way too many plots that could have been going on for two seasons had everything been developed properly and executed well. They had enough material for maybe even 3 seasons. As someone said before, it is obvious that the writers had no idea who the Black Hood was from the start and now they are trying to just wrap up everything in a neat bow tie and meanwhile, the Southsiders and Northsiders are starting a riot in the town and there is also Hiram's plans for the town and he is evil. Not sure if this is working well, I think it is badly planned. They could have just finished up the BH story in 2A. Some thoughts: 1. I really did enjoy the Cheryl and Betty scenes, they work well together and I have always wanted them to be friends. But the blackmailing thing has tainted things a little, also Cheryl treated Betty like crap at the stand it could have used more build up than a sudden 180 degrees and Cheryl calling Betty "cousin" so many times. I do think Lili and Madelaine have a nice chemistry together and they both are talented young women. That Betty and Cheryl scene with Betty crying really was well acted by Lili! And of course Madelaine also has her subtle and strong moments 4. I loved Jughead in this episode, he cares so much and would do anything for the people he cares about. Fangs was also so soft and the actor was pretty good. I do think it would have had more of an impact if Jughead's friendship with Fangs had been been developed more because we never saw any of it. He mostly build up a friendship with Toni. But still, I really felt for them! It was a sweet moment with Jughead, Fangs, Toni and Sweet Pea! I do think Fangs will survive and wow that whole scene when he got shot! I felt so bad for him through the episode. I am looking forward to what the next two episodes will bring. This is my big problem with season 2 as well. It is wayyyy too many plots and storylines and characters and villains. Like you said, they could've had half of the content this season, and really fleshed things out. We could've seen character and relationship development and growth, and the storylines and characters motivations could've made a lot more sense. But alas, here we are. Really hoping that season 3 will be better in this respect. That the writers have learned how to allocate storylines and screetime to multiple characters, but still have it make sense. I really adored the Cheryl/Betty scenes this episode. They made quite a good team. Like you said, Lili and Madelaine have a great chemistry. This cast is so close in real life, I think there would be chemistry to be mined from any combination of characters onscreen. I want to see more of Cheryl with all of the Core Four. And yes, Lili crushed it acting-wise this episode. I loved the Serpent scenes this episode. But the four of them at the police station after Fangs was released from his cell, before they went to face the angry mob. especially punched me in the feels. My heart broke for Fangs, and I just loved the friendship and support that Jughead, Sweet Pea and Toni provided him. I hope Fangs isn't dead. I want to see this friendship quadrant explored a lot more going forward. It was also nice to finally see some Jughead/Toni scenes this episode. I've missed their friendship. Look...I fucking love Mark Consuelos. But I fucking HATE Hiram Lodge. With a passion only rivaled by that of Ms. Grundy perving on Archie. This is a hella conundrum. I was hoping that he would somehow get shot at the debate or the riot at the end. There is no redemption for this character at all at this point, I think. And I know that villains are needed particularly on shows like this. But they usually have some kind of humanity to them. Hiram is just a straight up monster. I was SO proud of Veronica for pledging her allegiance to Fred at the end. I hope Hermonie has a similar epiphany. Is anyone else kind of happy that Midge was hooking up with Fangs before her unfortunate demise? He’s hot, and its not like her boyfriend wasn’t fucking around behind her back, right? (But also, cheating on your significant other is bad. And people should not do it.) Papa Poutine’s son is Small Fry?!?! I have never been happier about anything in my life before this moment. Is there another son named Crinkle Cut? Please let there be another son named Crinkle Cut... The last 5 minutes of this episode...holy. SHIT. So intense and good. The acting, music, direction, cinematography, everything. I’m gonna need some recovery time on this one, y’all. I'm so excited for the last two episodes of the season. Bring it on... 7 Link to comment
Snookums May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 Quote And I want the Coopers to regain some normalcy once all of this Black Hood shit is done. And I want that to include Hal, and Polly and her twins. Polly! Remember her? NOBODY talks about her or the twins despite the fact that said twins were a price above rubies last season! Penelope, who was most obsessive of all, hasn't breathed one word, nor has "enjoy this gigantic and terrifying infant pram from a Charles Addams book" Cheryl. When Betty found the family photo in her dad's room, I was half expecting her to turn to Cheryl and say "Look! Who's this strange woman standing with us?" Quote Papa Poutine’s son is Small Fry?!?! I have never been happier about anything in my life before this moment. Is there another son named Crinkle Cut? Please let there be another son named Crinkle Cut... Another set of twins, maybe? Crinkle Cut and Tater Tot! 6 Link to comment
PeekaBoo May 3, 2018 Share May 3, 2018 What a freaky episode! Wow! So much stuff happening! The whole thing with betty was awkward and just plain freaky, is she on a deep psychosis? Affected by ptsd? I understand that she was trying hard to trap her dad and all but she was really into it... And lying to jughead again, sigh... I know it probably won't mean anything in the end, meaning that they'll get over it but it's just sad... Ok, bughead had their moment, it's ok... But I just get so frustrated by the wishy/washy writing! I mean, we had Jughead freaking out at the end of the musical episode, running to find his girlfriend and here we have this shooting at the town hall and major rioting in the middle of town and still no words shared?!?!? Come on show! Really?!?!? The same with Betty being at the town hall at the end of the episode, wouldn't it be surrounded with people/police due to the rioting?!?! And the whole blackhood thing... Ok, there might be THE blackhood that is after betty and then the "blackhood" at the town hall debate was probably some jerkoff goon hired by hiram to scare either fred or Hermione and the blackhooded man at thisthle house, that might be Claudius (or Clifford who knows!). So three potential blackhoods... I won't go into the whole riot stuff because come one, evenSherriff Keller and Sheriff Bought-by-Hiram working together wouldn't do a better job than them nasty meddling kids, lol.... It was sad to see Fangsy getting show... And wow, he's bi? I did not see that happening.. God I hope he doesn't die... And Jaoquin's back!?!?! woohoo!!! It was nice to see him again. He'll probably heartbroken to see KEvin being the douche that he is! Loved the CHeryl/Betty smash up even though it sorta came out of the blue. And oh my ffff god, small fry?!?!?! Really?!?!!? Mwahahahaha.... And for the once, I was so proud of veronica!!! I really was! I mean, FINALLY she saw the light!! Even ARchie started to get real! My babies are growing up! Jarchie together again?!?! No discussion, no sorries?!?! hummmm..... And CGI-ing the green in Hal's eyes??? Hmmm... Does someone think Hiram has these homo-erotic dreams of teen boys since he's overly concerned about them? lol, bad joke, sorry! Weird and tragic how Betty admits to what eht blackhood's made her do in the past and that her parents didn't really tackle the issue? Veronica becoming a business woman at 16??? I was still struggling with basics maths and trying to understand how to have a budget at the time... A great episode, next one seems even more promising... I have no idea how on earth can we have that bughead touchy/teary moment with all the stuff that's happening.... ARchie on the roof of pops with som eflames on his hand? Sweet!! lol! and malachi coming back in his cool outfit, haahhahahahaha.... 1 Link to comment
notcreative enough May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 This might be why out there put I think the debate shooter was FP or another serpent. I think he wanted to get the heat off Fangs. Joaquin just happens to be there to help sneak Fangs away. No one was actually hit and I feel like the real BH would make the first shot count. Or it could be Rick from TWD. I can't see Hiram wanting to make his new special appointed sheriff to look bad in his first week. Besides Veronica being you know a child a million dollars would not be enough to start a casino. Did she just leave a duffel full of money in her closet. And why do all these mafia families let their teenage children discuss business ideas/deals. But I died at Small Fry so that kinda makes it worth it. Betty and Cheryl all day they are great together. Next time add Veronica and it will be perfection. I wanted Archie to be honest with Fred. "So dad I started a gang but shit got a little to real for me so I quit. I thought I disbanded the group but Hiram Lodge is paying a bunch of kids to commit crimes." That way during the debate Fred could shut Hermione down and show what the Lodges are all about. 5 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, notcreative enough said: This might be why out there put I think the debate shooter was FP or another serpent. I think he wanted to get the heat off Fangs. Joaquin just happens to be there to help sneak Fangs away. No one was actually hit and I feel like the real BH would make the first shot count. Or it could be Rick from TWD. I can't see Hiram wanting to make his new special appointed sheriff to look bad in his first week. Besides Veronica being you know a child a million dollars would not be enough to start a casino. Did she just leave a duffel full of money in her closet. And why do all these mafia families let their teenage children discuss business ideas/deals. But I died at Small Fry so that kinda makes it worth it. Betty and Cheryl all day they are great together. Next time add Veronica and it will be perfection. I wanted Archie to be honest with Fred. "So dad I started a gang but shit got a little to real for me so I quit. I thought I disbanded the group but Hiram Lodge is paying a bunch of kids to commit crimes." That way during the debate Fred could shut Hermione down and show what the Lodges are all about. I thought it may have been the serpents as well but then something about Hiram in the scene where Hermione was struggling to take a drink and him being adamant about her not quitting makes me think he’s setting something up. And I still stand by that he sent Fred a fake Bh note. 3 Link to comment
SourK May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 The biggest issue I have with this episode is that everybody seems to think it's cool for somebody to moderate a political debate and then report on it as a journalist. Or for the moderator to be a person who's employed at a business owned by one of the candidates. Why? I don't get the plot with Veronica at all. If they wanted her to turn against her dad, her dad's betrayal of both Archie and her mom should be enough to spur that decision. I 100% agree that the casino idea is stupid, that a million dollars wouldn't fund it, etc, etc, but I also don't understand what the point of those meetings actually was? Like, even if we believe that Hiram knew Archie had outlived his usefulness and wanted to get Veronica with someone else, why was this weird speed dating event the method he used? And why did everyone else go along with it? Finally, I have a theory that maybe the only adult Serpent other than FP was Tall Boy, and now that Tall Boy's gone, it's just FP and some teens, much like the mafia is just Hiram and some teens. If I lived in the universe this story takes place in, I bet I could make a lot of money writing an investigative piece about the small, weird town where a couple of adults fight a never ending battle using local youth. 7 Link to comment
secnarf May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 33 minutes ago, notcreative enough said: This might be why out there put I think the debate shooter was FP or another serpent. I think he wanted to get the heat off Fangs. Joaquin just happens to be there to help sneak Fangs away. No one was actually hit and I feel like the real BH would make the first shot count. Or it could be Rick from TWD. I can't see Hiram wanting to make his new special appointed sheriff to look bad in his first week. Wasn't Fangs hit? Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, secnarf said: Wasn't Fangs hit? I think the poster meant the debate shooting. No one was shot there 1 Link to comment
Mabinogia May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 11 hours ago, SourK said: I don't get the plot with Veronica at all. If they wanted her to turn against her dad, her dad's betrayal of both Archie and her mom should be enough to spur that decision Yeah, she should have switched sides when she realized he wasn't willing to save Archie. I am happy to see both her and Archie coming to their senses though, and supporting Fred, who actually cares about his town. I also enjoy seeing Hiram losing his grip on the children he's attempting to manipulate. Too bad he has a rabid pack of morons now willing to kill for him. Ugh. I did enjoy Betty and Cheryl together. I like the sleuthing side of the show way more than the gangs and mobsters side. Honestly, I would rather get more Black Hood than the Lodge mob crap or gangs of people fighting in the streets. For that, I hated most of this episode. I don't need to see gang violence, thanks anyway show. You were supposed to be my whacked out, pretty, escapism show. Not a commentary on how horrible human beings can be. 3 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mabinogia said: Yeah, she should have switched sides when she realized he wasn't willing to save Archie. I am happy to see both her and Archie coming to their senses though, and supporting Fred, who actually cares about his town. I also enjoy seeing Hiram losing his grip on the children he's attempting to manipulate. Too bad he has a rabid pack of morons now willing to kill for him. Ugh. I did enjoy Betty and Cheryl together. I like the sleuthing side of the show way more than the gangs and mobsters side. Honestly, I would rather get more Black Hood than the Lodge mob crap or gangs of people fighting in the streets. For that, I hated most of this episode. I don't need to see gang violence, thanks anyway show. You were supposed to be my whacked out, pretty, escapism show. Not a commentary on how horrible human beings can be. If the Black Hood had been some better I would enjoy it more but as I’ve been saying it’s random and all over the place and if it ends up being Hal, how lame is that? This episodes Black hood plot was terrible because it seemed like the writers were writing it as if the viewers are three year olds who couldn’t figure out the end. If it is Hal, it’s only Hal because the writers wrote themselves into a corner they can’t get out of. I do co-sign on Veronica and Archie finally realizing Hiram sucks. They really should have done that last week when Archie was being beaten by Nick and Archie was like “it’s cool” to Hiram and Veronica seemed to care but then was over it? It’s time like this when I don’t think we’re supposed to remember anything that happened before the episode were watching, it’s like every episode of this show is a stand alone, it’s best to not have any prior knowledge of things that came before. Edited May 4, 2018 by WhosThatGirl Link to comment
Mabinogia May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 2 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said: If the Black Hood had been some better I would enjoy it more but as I’ve been saying it’s random and all over the place and if it ends up being Hal, how lame is that? I'm not saying black hood is well thought out or even good. That would be a gross exaggeration. I think it will be a hilariously fitting bad ending to have it be Hal so I almost wish it is, just for how silly it is. But I'd still take it over the Riverdale Mafia storyline. UGH. At least Black Hood had the gang doing investigations ala Scooby Doo. The best thing the mafia has going for it is Papa Poutine and Small Fry. I really hope Tater Tot is out there too. Along with Uncle Russet Potato. The whole Spud family can rain down vengeance against Hiram and I would cheer them on. 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, Mabinogia said: I'm not saying black hood is well thought out or even good. That would be a gross exaggeration. I think it will be a hilariously fitting bad ending to have it be Hal so I almost wish it is, just for how silly it is. But I'd still take it over the Riverdale Mafia storyline. UGH. At least Black Hood had the gang doing investigations ala Scooby Doo. The best thing the mafia has going for it is Papa Poutine and Small Fry. I really hope Tater Tot is out there too. Along with Uncle Russet Potato. The whole Spud family can rain down vengeance against Hiram and I would cheer them on. Honestly though, nothing this season worked. It really didn’t. I know we still have two episodes to go but nothing really worked. At least to me. I know the show still has fans that are eating it up but I’m not one of them. 1 Link to comment
Mabinogia May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 1 hour ago, WhosThatGirl said: Honestly though, nothing this season worked. It really didn’t. I know we still have two episodes to go but nothing really worked. At least to me. I know the show still has fans that are eating it up but I’m not one of them. You just wait! In the next two episodes everything is going to fall into place and the whole season will suddenly make sense and we will all be kicking ourselves for not seeing it sooner...or, it will be more of the same. I just hope it gets less violent. I don't mind the stupid storylines that don't make sense and the countless red herrings and plots that go nowhere, but personally, I do not like how violent this season was. We all look for different things in our shows. What I found in Riverdale was good Pretty Little Liars replacement show with pretty people doing stupid things in a hyper stylized environment. I liked the quirkiness of kids with cell phones dressed like they stepped out of the 50s. I liked that none of it seemed real but did feel like a comic book. But now it's a violent comic book and I hate those. 3 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, Mabinogia said: You just wait! In the next two episodes everything is going to fall into place and the whole season will suddenly make sense and we will all be kicking ourselves for not seeing it sooner...or, it will be more of the same. I just hope it gets less violent. I don't mind the stupid storylines that don't make sense and the countless red herrings and plots that go nowhere, but personally, I do not like how violent this season was. We all look for different things in our shows. What I found in Riverdale was good Pretty Little Liars replacement show with pretty people doing stupid things in a hyper stylized environment. I liked the quirkiness of kids with cell phones dressed like they stepped out of the 50s. I liked that none of it seemed real but did feel like a comic book. But now it's a violent comic book and I hate those. Yeah.. and I can deal with the crazy. I stuck with OtH and that was some crazy! Like hilariously. But they had a season where it got really violent for no reason, it was one of the later seasons when like the first half was really dark and didn’t make sense. i want Riverdale to be fun crazy. However it seems like they might be sticking with the dark stuff. Which ugh. 1 Link to comment
PeekaBoo May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said: Yeah.. and I can deal with the crazy. I stuck with OtH and that was some crazy! Like hilariously. But they had a season where it got really violent for no reason, it was one of the later seasons when like the first half was really dark and didn’t make sense. i want Riverdale to be fun crazy. However it seems like they might be sticking with the dark stuff. Which ugh. I can deal with some craziness but this is too much for me, at least. I liked the simpler format of s1. Hey, I'm even missing archie playing his dumbass songs.... S2 had its potentials but took too many wrong turns... But yes, in the end stuff will make sense.... cant wait and hope i can exhale after the last scene lol... Edited May 4, 2018 by PeekaBoo 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PeekaBoo said: I can deal with some craziness but this is too much for me, at least. I liked the simpler format of s1. Hey, I'm even missing archie playing his dumbass songs.... S2 had its potentials but took too many wrong turns... But yes, in the end stuff will make sense.... cant wait and hope i can exhale after the last scene lol... I don’t think it will make sense at the end of this season honestly. But that’s just me. 4 Link to comment
Maximum Taco May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 (edited) On 5/3/2018 at 1:20 AM, WhosThatGirl said: I think Hiram not only set up the debate shooter but that he also sent Fred a faux black Hood note. That note felt off to me and I’m sure he knows all about the Black hood notes from his fire place chats with Archie. I actually thought that too, but it doesn't make any sense. He went to so much trouble to start the Black Circle going again so Hermione could sting Fred with it at the debate. Why would he threaten Fred and then try to get him to call off the debate? I mean if he thought Hermione was going to get blown up at the debate that might make a bit of sense, but they held all the cards to ruin Fred. Also, Hiram and Hermione wanted to push the fact that they had made the town safer by getting the new sheriff and locking up Fangs, but organizing a shooter just proves Fred's point that they didn't make the town safer and that Fangs probably isn't the killer. Unless it was all just a ridiculous Batman Gambit to get Fangs released and then spark a war between the North and South Side by instigating his murder. But even then he'd have to know that a) Fred would push for the debate to continue b) The town would still think that Fangs was guilty even after the shooting c) The sheriff would decline to prosecute (this maybe makes sense, cause the sheriff is in his pocket, he could just tell him to not press charges) d) Reggie would have absolutely no problem killing a guy and also would still think Fangs was guilty after the shooting It seems horribly convoluted for very little payoff. It's not even really a conspiracy, it's just random crap. Edited May 4, 2018 by Maximum Taco 2 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 I still think it’s possible Hiram set it all up, he’s crazy. And I don’t think Hermione knows how deep he is in with the red circle and mob of teenage boys. I doubt she knows he’s paying them now. And why is he adamant she keeps running for mayor when she’s clearly having a panic attack? Plus Freds Black hood note was fake. It really was. It just looked and felt off when fred showed it. 1 Link to comment
Maximum Taco May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 1 minute ago, WhosThatGirl said: I still think it’s possible Hiram set it all up, he’s crazy. And I don’t think Hermione knows how deep he is in with the red circle and mob of teenage boys. I doubt she knows he’s paying them now. And why is he adamant she keeps running for mayor when she’s clearly having a panic attack? Plus Freds Black hood note was fake. It really was. It just looked and felt off when fred showed it. Oh I'm not saying it isn't possible. This show makes no freaking sense, anything is possible. But if he's doing it, why? Most of it seems counter intuitive to what he wants. All this stuff (trying to get Fred to cancel the debate, setting up a shooter, undermining the credibility of the sheriff he hand picked to replace Keller, starting a gang war in the streets) will not make it easier for Hermione to get elected Mayor, and yet he doesn't want her to drop out of the race. What's his freaking end game? I mean I almost hope that there is oil under the town or something and he's just trying to get everyone to leave as he slowly acquires all the land. 3 Link to comment
WhosThatGirl May 4, 2018 Share May 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Maximum Taco said: Oh I'm not saying it isn't possible. This show makes no freaking sense, anything is possible. But if he's doing it, why? Most of it seems counter intuitive to what he wants. All this stuff (trying to get Fred to cancel the debate, setting up a shooter, undermining the credibility of the sheriff he hand picked to replace Keller, starting a gang war in the streets) will not make it easier for Hermione to get elected Mayor, and yet he doesn't want her to drop out of the race. What's his freaking end game? I mean I almost hope that there is oil under the town or something and he's just trying to get everyone to leave as he slowly acquires all the land. The prison!!! It’s all about the prison!!!!! Seriously. I agree with you, it’s ridiculous. It makes no sense. But nothing does on this anymore. 1 Link to comment
Cthulhudrew May 5, 2018 Share May 5, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 7:01 PM, notcreative enough said: This might be why out there put I think the debate shooter was FP or another serpent. I think he wanted to get the heat off Fangs. Joaquin just happens to be there to help sneak Fangs away. That was my first thought when Jughead walked in on FP and Joaquin up to some shenanigans- it was one of the two of them trying to give an alibi to Fangs to get him released. 1 Link to comment
thuganomics85 May 5, 2018 Share May 5, 2018 Veronica: "Hey, Fred! At long last, I finally figured out that my dad is the devil, so I'm going to support your bid for mayor now!" Fred: "Sweet! Sure, you can't vote or anything, but every little bit helps, I guess!" Veronica: "Awesome! Now, if you will excuse me, I'm going to go bang your son upstairs!" Fred: "Well, I guess you have to do what you got to do, in order to please your supporters! Can you at least do a slow striptease first in order to give me time to grab some earplugs, at least?" So, not only has Hiram pretty much taken the Black Circle from Archie and making them commit acts of vandalism, but he basically talked silly, dumb Reggie into taking the "law into his own hands." Hiram's need to have teenagers to his evil, dirty work is.... something, to say the least. But he really is short-sighted, huh? He's basically managed to turn both Archie and Veronica against him, and while normally that shouldn't be a big deal, for this show, that's bound to bite him on the ass. But I guess I really should expect much from a wannabe gangster, who thought it was a great idea to make Archie a capo in the first place. So, thanks to some snooping with Cheryl, Betty really thinks Hal is the Black Hood now, which makes me think that it is more likely he isn't. Meanwhile, everyone but Jughead and the Serpents think Fang killed Midge, but even after the Black Hood (or someone dressed like him, at least) opened fire at the debate, it still caused riots and Fang getting shot. Couldn't tell if the gunshot came from Archie and Reggie struggling with the gun, or did it come from somewhere else? Man, at this point, Sierra McCoy has had a bigger role this season than poor Josie. Episode ends with the Black Hood showing up at Cheryl's door. Complete with Madelaine Petsch awesomely giving her best "lead in a horror film" scream. I love her so much. 1 Link to comment
Mabinogia May 5, 2018 Share May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: Veronica: "Hey, Fred! At long last, I finally figured out that my dad is the devil, so I'm going to support your bid for mayor now!" Fred: "Sweet! Sure, you can't vote or anything, but every little bit helps, I guess!" Veronica: "Awesome! Now, if you will excuse me, I'm going to go bang your son upstairs!" Fred: "Well, I guess you have to do what you got to do, in order to please your supporters! Can you at least do a slow striptease first in order to give me time to grab some earplugs, at least?" haha, yeah, I was all, um, Fred's okay with her staying the night? Guess he really needs the votes. Speaking of, (I finally got to see the beginning of the ep, missed it due to social engagement) and I loved that one old guy all "I'm voting for Hiram Lodge". Archie's all "don't you mean Hermione?" Archie, dear, Hermione is only running because Hiram told her to because he figures she'd get more votes than him. Don't for a second think she's not his puppet, just like you were and now the Silly Circle is. A vote for Hermione IS a vote for Hiram, who probably either bought the vote or threatened it out of the guy anyway. 2 Link to comment
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