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1 minute ago, Asp Burger said:

That's a kind of mercy. 

If anything is going to trigger a memory, "Easter bunny grave bed" might do it. That was her most notorious room. Her big thing was to do a "theme." If one of the family members had been in the military, for example, she would make curtains that looked like parachutes, and cover the furniture in camouflage fabric. Another time, she said she had an Egyptian theme in mind, and it it turned out to be the most obvious Cecil B. DeMille Egyptian references imaginable. Similar with "Indian" theme.

In general, she was cheap and tacky, and I cannot remember one good room, and I must have seen a dozen. Back in the Television Without Pity days, there was a lot of perplexity on the boards as to (1) how she got there in the first place and (2) why she was allowed to stay.

I can picture her in my mind what she looked like but not even "Easter bunny grave bed" is helpful. She must have come around during the later years. Wait...am I totally making this up or did she put a little white picket fence and fake flowers in a room once? Maybe?

That kind of thing is SO MUCH of what I hated about Ty's Extreme Makeover: Home Edition: the way over-the-top theme rooms for the kids and even the adults or older kids. You wouldn't dare tell them you liked basketball or else you'd end up with a hardwood floor made up like a court with your favorite team's logo (as would be your sheets/bedspread/pillowcases/etc) and a basketball hoop in your bedroom.

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2 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

I can picture her in my mind what she looked like but not even "Easter bunny grave bed" is helpful. She must have come around during the later years. Wait...am I totally making this up or did she put a little white picket fence and fake flowers in a room once? Maybe?

That was the Easter bunny grave bed! Yes.

She was more "middle years." She and Edward (who was usually great) shared their first episode in 2002. This stands out in my mind because during the Paige debriefing at the end, she whined, "They fought me on everything!" about her homeowners (who, in what was shown, were not oppositional at all, just not jazzed about her silly ideas). So she didn't even have a good personality.  

I never saw the Ty show. It sounds as though I'm fortunate.  

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9 minutes ago, Asp Burger said:

That was the Easter bunny grave bed! Yes.

She was more "middle years." She and Edward (who was usually great) shared their first episode in 2002. This stands out in my mind because during the Paige debriefing at the end, she whined, "They fought me on everything!" about her homeowners (who, in what was shown, were not oppositional at all, just not jazzed about her silly ideas). So she didn't even have a good personality.  

I never saw the Ty show. It sounds as though I'm fortunate.  

I remember Edward, yes. He was good for the most part. So you would rank Kia below Doug/Hildi? How would you rank all of the designers? (Perhaps we should have *that* discussion in the Classic TS thread!)

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On 4/7/2018 at 10:35 PM, Marmiarmo said:

Hello, my Polar opposite!  (Smile)  Frank and Laurie are my favorites!

I really dislike Hildi, because she rarely seems to try to please the homeowners...she's all about being outrageous. 

I seem to recall when this show aired a decade ago that there was a minimum room size, due to filming logistics.  These two rooms were tiny!!

Looking forward to better rooms to come.  And I miss Edward...does anyone know why he's not back?

I've always disliked Hildi the most out of the designers they've had. Gone back and forth on Doug over the years. I was reading the stuff about what designers were up to since TS went off the air awhile back. Apparently Hildi moved to Paris, where she lives with her husband, a French artist. Where she works as a florist and also spends time traveling. I'm hoping she doesn't have the same attitude with customers as she does with homeowners. She's always acted like the homeowners were below her and she could treat them anyway she pleased since she was never going to see them again.

I found mentions of what Edward has been up to here and here since the end of TS's original run. Can't find anything about why he didn't return though.

Seeing the neighborhood the homeowners lived in the rooms outside of the master in houses like that are usually on the smaller side. It's one of many things that annoy me the most about them. I'm living in a home like that now but luckily I live alone and the master is mine. It was my Mom's for a long time when she was still here. A few years before she died I got really sick and had to be near the bathroom so she switched rooms with me. She got sick and we never switched back. She never minded the smaller room and being her caregiver the bigger room made it easier for me to decompress when needed. (Not that anyone needed to know that last part.)
 

On 4/8/2018 at 12:30 AM, theschnauzers said:

 Ty has calmed down and pairing him and Carter as the carpenters was good. 

Ty admitted a few years ago that he has always had extreme ADHD. If you Google there are interviews he did about it online. He got arrested for DUI while hosting Extreme Makeover: HE with a blood alcohol level double what the legal one was. I've wondered since the ADHD admission if he was drinking instead of trying to get a handle on his ADHD or if he was combining alcohol with meds which made his behavior even worse during the first run of the show. In the interviews I've found online he said he has a shrink, takes meds and that the meds are working for him but he didn't mention how long he had been doing that. I was surprised at his calmer demeanor during this first episode which was a welcome change. Who knows if it will last though.

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I really wish Hildi wouldn’t have come back. Seriously asking, has any of the people on this show like ever really liked her design? She just seems to be ridiculous just to be ridiculous, and she’s rude too.

During the marathon, they showed an episode from Philadelphia where Hildi redecorated a kitchen, and while it wasn't my taste, the homeowners seemed to really like it. 

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The level of arrogance was off the charts.  I found Doug to be just as arrogant as he has been in the past. He just has a better way of disguising it. 

 

I didn't think he was doing a great job of disguising it.  To me, he seemed very dismissive of the wife's concerns about the burlap wall covering. 

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I don't remember much about Kia's rooms; I think I had stopped watching by that time.  Maybe the difference is that Kia wasn't very good or had terrible taste.  She didn't deliberately set-out to shock or horrify or show that she was the smartest person in the room.  Of course, a friend of mine says that when you turn over your house to a person you have never met before, you get what you get.  Why can't we get just a little House Porn with this show?  It's sad when we have to depend on Wayfair.  There are professional designers and carpenters onsite for crying out loud! No excuse. 

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Hildi has always looked at her room designs as some sort of Andy Warholesque performance art.  The fact that people have to live with it afterward doesn't concern her.  In her mind they can just change it.  All that matters is that her art gets captured on the show, the room itself is irrelevant.

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On 4/8/2018 at 8:22 AM, Tippi said:

I had to laugh when Hildi wrecked her bike.  So pretentious riding around in her little strappy heels. 

finally someone mentioned hildys heels!!!!   I was like why not just roll a tire across...so funny when she fell because she probably wouldn't have if she had been wearing the PROPER shoes ......and she was wearing those tall narrow heels on the scaffolding when painting the ceiling...talk about ZERO common sense....I see a hospital visit in the future if she keeps doing dumb stuff like this

oh....does anyone remember the kitchen she did..the homeowner was a priest and she covered the walls with wine bottle labels!!!!!!!!  she is contemptuous and really doesn't give a crap about the homeowners

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28 minutes ago, sue450 said:

oh....does anyone remember the kitchen she did..the homeowner was a priest and she covered the walls with wine bottle labels!!!!!!!!  she is contemptuous and really doesn't give a crap about the homeowners

Yes, I think I remember all of her insane rooms, including the giant self-portrait of her that graced the wall of one couple's room.

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The burlap on the walls looked better than I thought it would.  Hildi's graphic design, on the other hand, was seizure-inducing.  You could tell the homeowners did not like it and very struggling to find things to say that wouldn't be insulting.

On ‎04‎/‎07‎/‎2018 at 10:18 PM, MaKaM said:

Hildi's wall of mirrors was a head-scratcher. People rip those out, not put them up.

She put those up with liquid nails, so the homeowners will actually have to replace the drywall.  And that's actually a potential problem with stapling the burlap, although it would depend on how big the staples were.

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I enjoyed this episode, and I never thought I would, but I am back on the Trading Spaces train.

I liked Doug's way more than I ever expected to, it really did seem like a hotel room in Hawaii, the lamps and the little ceramic birds were right up my alley.

Also, this was filmed in the city where I live, a few miles over from my house.

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13 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

Come on, Hildi and Doug as the worst designers on the original series? I'm always stunned by how Kia skates by when people recall this show. Was it because she joined the cast a couple years into it, or was she just so over-the-top terrible that people have forgotten her as a self-protective measure? At least with Hildi and Doug, there was a chance you'd get something good.

For me, the main difference between Kia and Hildi/Doug was that Kia was just incompetent.  Good-natured, sweet, friendly, well-meaning, but clueless.  Hildi and Doug come across as snarky, arrogant, rude, dismissive, etc.  Each one is clearly capable of putting together a good room.  But even when Doug (especially) does a good room, his attitude is so off-putting that it's challenging to enjoy the final product.  I appreciated that he seemed to rein it in a little bit in this first reboot episode, but I have no faith that this will continue.

My favorite part of his room was actually the headboard.

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On ‎04‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 10:05 AM, fountain said:

Eggs are blown out to make Ukrainian eggs (which I know how to say but not how to spell).  We made lots as kids with the wax and dye and now 30 plus years later they are fine and not rotting but we did rinse them out a bit.  I didn’t really think that part was crazy as it is a pretty common thing, it is interesting to read that no one here has ever done that before, I guess being Ukrainian it is just something we did as kids. Stringing them was weird but in the bowl was kind of interesting.

I had heard of Ukrainian Easter eggs, and had they been given enough time to properly rinse them and decorate them, they could've been turned into interesting art.  But just stringing them like that was odd, and you know they didn't have time to rinse them out.

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7 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

During the marathon, they showed an episode from Philadelphia where Hildi redecorated a kitchen, and while it wasn't my taste, the homeowners seemed to really like it. 

 

 

4 hours ago, sue450 said:

oh....does anyone remember the kitchen she did..the homeowner was a priest and she covered the walls with wine bottle labels!!!!!!!!  she is contemptuous and really doesn't give a crap about the homeowners

I remember that one!! I forgot that Hildi did that!  In the reunion show,  Ty  referred to that room when discussing Hildi's designs.  Ty said that he felt so bad for the owners that he stayed to help them take off the labels!!  
I personally can't recall every liking any room that she did.  As for Doug, there were some that were really quite lovely but his attitude stinks.

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43 minutes ago, pinguina said:

I personally can't recall every liking any room that she did.  As for Doug, there were some that were really quite lovely but his attitude stinks.

Doug also comes off as so smarmy in the at-the-completion interviews. I'll just lounge here and expound on my awesomeness. A very off-putting vibe and I hope it is just for the camera. (I never liked him on his show after Trading Spaces because he seemed like an arrogant, smarmy ass on that too).

 

I think I stopped watching by the time Kia and Edward came on the show (I vaguely remember Edward but never much liked him) so Hildi and Doug are the two main villains in my mind. And yeah, anyone that ruins another person's house (or at least a room in it or the furniture in it) for their own gratification is a villain. At least the lady that got the brown room by Laurie had functioning furniture and didn't have to completely replace the drywall in the room to get rid of it.

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On 4/7/2018 at 10:43 PM, chick binewski said:

And at this point in my life putting a mirrored wall where I would have to look at it first thing in the morning just seems mean.

This!  It's a guest room for the mom, why would she want to look at those crazy walls & ceiling, made worse because they reflect in the mirror, and then have to see yourself first thing in the am.  I would sleep on the sister's couch instead.  In one of the reunion shows, someone mentioned that they design for the owners and want them to like it.  I do not believe it; they do a lot for shock value -- at least Hilde and Doug do

On 4/7/2018 at 11:35 PM, Marmiarmo said:

Doug's room was dark, and I didn't like the burlap.  I did like the pops of bright green.  And good grief, yes...close the bathroom door!!

I seem to recall when this show aired a decade ago that there was a minimum room size, due to filming logistics.  These two rooms were tiny!!

I hated the burlap.  It would look better if the walls had textured green paint.  I hate fabric on walls.  All it does is  collect dust.

Yes, there was a minimum room size.  I wanted to get my kitchen redone and tried to talk my husband and neighbors into it and gave up when I realized our kitchen was too small. 

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On 4/7/2018 at 11:54 PM, LexieLily said:

On a related note I was wondering about the scene early in the episode when she was apprehensive about the burlap Doug was going to put all over the walls and how Paige and Doug basically told her to deal with it and do it

I would make an awful contestant. I would just refuse to staple fabric on the wall.  And I probably would have grabbed a roller and just painted the ceiling one color when Hildi was away.  . . . Actually, I would probably be a great contestant.  It would add some drama.

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1 hour ago, ElleMo said:

In one of the reunion shows, someone mentioned that they design for the owners and want them to like it.  I do not believe it; they do a lot for shock value -- at least Hilde and Doug do

It definitely varies by designer. I think there are some who do want the client to be happy (I feel like Frank would feel terrible if the homeowners hated what he did)  and some who really don't give a shit. (Doug and Hildi)

What I think would be really interesting is if the homeowners got to pick which designer they wanted to do their room. Partly because each designer does seem to have a very clear aesthetic, but mostly because I'm really curious to see how many times people like Hildi (who just doesn't care what you want) and Kia (who's heart is in the right place but really isn't very good at designing rooms) get picked. 

I think I would pick either Vern or Genevieve to do my room. Preferably Vern because I think his aesthetic appeals most to me and though Gen is hit or miss with me, when I like her work I really like it. Now, which designer I would want to work with doing my neighbors room would probably be Frank. I just adore him and he seems like he'd be fun to work with. 

 

1 hour ago, ElleMo said:

I would make an awful contestant. I would just refuse to staple fabric on the wall.  And I probably would have grabbed a roller and just painted the ceiling one color when Hildi was away.  . . . Actually, I would probably be a great contestant.  It would add some drama.

I would totally watch your episode. Unfortunately, I would hope you got Hildi or Doug because I would love to see either one of them taken down a peg...or eight. Sorry to wish that on you. 

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I would make an awful contestant. I would just refuse to staple fabric on the wall.  And I probably would have grabbed a roller and just painted the ceiling one color when Hildi was away.  . . . Actually, I would probably be a great contestant.  It would add some drama.

I'm curious.  Do the participants have to sign any kind of agreement stating they will follow the dectorator's designs and plans?  The wife just looked so reluctant, but it felt like she really had no choice but to follow Doug's directions. 

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I am a weirdo as I would totally be okay with Hildi or Doug.  In Hildi’s rooms often there is a crazy element but something that is really good and better than most things on TS - like in the cardboard room the bed was really great.  I would redo the weird thing and keep the really nice piece. In the recent Hildi room I would keep the fabric blind, pillows and furniture and repaint.  I really liked the fabric. I would take down the tire track art and put something else up.

In Doug’s room I would repaint the ceiling and see if I could paint over the fabric to a slightly lighter colour.  I would keep the rest.

This episode gave me a new interest in green.  Right now my “theme” colour is teal but maybe I should make a change in my master bedroom.

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Doug is an ass as well, but he has a much better ratio of putting out higher quality designs than Hildi does. 

As others have mentioned, by pointing out various situations, Hildi comes off like this show is beneath her because of her affluent lifestyle. And it shows in her contempt of the homeowners. Has she forgotten the whole point of the show? These suburban homeowners have only have $2000 to spare to decorate one room, not $10K or more to showcase her “installation art” that is often impractical and often terribly executed. I often feel like she uses this show as a vehicle to pilot test one of her monstrosities on a smaller budget (at the expense of the homeowners) so that she can better execute them with clients with a much bigger budget and timeframe. She’s no Yoko Ono so she should really stop trolling!

Why would you force the homeowners to paint a terrible pattern on all the walls and ceilings when they can’t even get a straight line because they’re textured to start with? You don’t need to be a design school grad to know that’s just wrong. And those people have to live with it because they only had $2K to spend (I have no idea if the production crew pays to “repair” one of her disasters). 

Vern is also very cultured and affluent, but he’s an excellent designer who knows how to make a $2K budget room look like it was done for $10K, plus he’s a nice guy and listens to his clients.

In other words I was happy Hildi fell off her bike and onto her hubris, and sad the incident didn’t cause her to skip the season. 

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18 hours ago, meowmommy said:

For me, the main difference between Kia and Hildi/Doug was that Kia was just incompetent.  Good-natured, sweet, friendly, well-meaning, but clueless.  Hildi and Doug come across as snarky, arrogant, rude, dismissive, etc.  Each one is clearly capable of putting together a good room.  But even when Doug (especially) does a good room, his attitude is so off-putting that it's challenging to enjoy the final product.  I appreciated that he seemed to rein it in a little bit in this first reboot episode, but I have no faith that this will continue.

My favorite part of his room was actually the headboard.

I do know what you mean. I personally found Kia's personality grating, and she could turn into quite the unappealing whiner when stressed (or when opposed by her team, or by Paige, or when one of the carpenters told her something was just not possible). But Doug and Hildi had/have that pretentious/superior aesthete thing going on, and that combined with their apparently putting homeowner satisfaction very low on the list makes them easy for many viewers to think of as villains.  

I think you've also accounted for why Genevieve skates by. Despite having her share of poorly thought out, weirdly low-budget (where she'd spend two thirds of the allotment and act pleased with herself), incoherent, ugly, and even destructive rooms, she seems to be a fan favorite. It has to be because she's warm, sunny and down to earth. I've even seen people assign bad Genevieve rooms to Hildi in their memory, like the moss wall, and the office with the rusty filing cabinets for the Less Than Perfect actress.   

Not saying Gen didn't have her successes too. Actually, all of them did work I loved sometimes, except Kia. Frank was also really far from my taste, but he obviously connected with a lot of the homeowners.

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11 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

It definitely varies by designer. I think there are some who do want the client to be happy (I feel like Frank would feel terrible if the homeowners hated what he did)  and some who really don't give a shit. (Doug and Hildi)

And, when watching some of the earlier episodes, more than once, Vern said the completed design was not to his taste, but it was what the homeowners wanted.   To me that what makes a designer a good designer - the ability to put aside whatever your personal preferences are in order to accommodate the homeowners. 

One more little thing  - regarding the stupid bicycle art.  Paige made a point of saying they can't afford "art" on their $2000 budget.  Anyone of them visit a thrift store lately?  The one near me has beautiful framed prints, and painting on canvas and I think the most expensive I've seen is $20.  You might have to paint a frame, of course. 

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12 hours ago, Not4Me said:

As others have mentioned, by pointing out various situations, Hildi comes off like this show is beneath her because of her affluent lifestyle. And it shows in her contempt of the homeowners. Has she forgotten the whole point of the show? These suburban homeowners have only have $2000 to spare to decorate one room, not $10K or more to showcase her “installation art” that is often impractical and often terribly executed. I often feel like she uses this show as a vehicle to pilot test one of her monstrosities on a smaller budget (at the expense of the homeowners) so that she can better execute them with clients with a much bigger budget and timeframe. She’s no Yoko Ono so she should really stop trolling!

Never could stand Hildi (or her "designs"). But she was especially bitchy in this episode--the snarky comments about the homeowners not finishing their homework. And when she was discussing the murphy bed with Ty, he made a comment about her preference to use "high-end hardware" and she sneered, "Not on Trading Spaces." Honestly, if this show is so beneath you, then feel free to not participate. It's one thing to have a bad design, it is a whole other thing to actually damage people's homes, which between installing hay or feathers or silk flowers on walls or furniture on ceilings, Hildi does. I'm sure it costs those homeowners quite a bit of money to "fix" the damage she does (new drywall, for example). She likes to be outrageous for outrageous sake. I wouldn't miss her if she left the show. 

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3 hours ago, mwell345 said:

Vern said the completed design was not to his taste, but it was what the homeowners wanted.   To me that what makes a designer a good designer - the ability to put aside whatever your personal preferences are in order to accommodate the homeowners. 

I think he's the only one I would actually pay to design a room for me.

 

3 hours ago, mwell345 said:

Paige made a point of saying they can't afford "art" on their $2000 budget. 

Dude, eggs aren't cheap. For the price of that weird dangling egg sculpture she could easily have bought a piece of art at, like you say, a thrift store or tag sale, or had the home owners do something. I just saw an ep where Frank had them each make a little face of themselves. That was cute and personal. Riding a bike over a canvas is only personal if the person whose room it is likes BMX or something.

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I think I remember that Edward was a “behind the scenes” designer (did a lot of the sewing) in the early years then got promoted to an on-air designer when some of the regulars wanted less screen time. The thing I remember about him is that he said “Every room needs a touch of black” which I have tried to do in my home. Re: the dresser...they should have kept the old one and refinished it, but maybe replaced the drawers with baskets. That would have gone with the “island look” and cost less money.

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4 hours ago, pawsodoom said:

Never could stand Hildi (or her "designs"). But she was especially bitchy in this episode--the snarky comments about the homeowners not finishing their homework. 

If she wanted the homeowners to paint the ceiling as part of their homework, why did the scaffolding not appear until the second day?  They could have painted a lot faster - and safer - if the scaffolding had been there from day one . . . and they wouldn't have had to work around Ty's installation of the Murphy bed.

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17 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

If she wanted the homeowners to paint the ceiling as part of their homework, why did the scaffolding not appear until the second day?  They could have painted a lot faster - and safer - if the scaffolding had been there from day one . . . and they wouldn't have had to work around Ty's installation of the Murphy bed.

And where were the production assistants who clearly helped paint the ceiling? If the people were up til 4 am and didn't get there, quit yer bitchin' diva. The design also got simplified greatly from the first wall.

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1 hour ago, MaKaM said:

And where were the production assistants who clearly helped paint the ceiling? If the people were up til 4 am and didn't get there, quit yer bitchin' diva. The design also got simplified greatly from the first wall.

I was just thinking, what might have been cool, since they were running out of time, and the design did get simplified, is if they brought the design up into the ceiling but just around the edge and had it fade out. Most of the ceiling is left white, which was the background of the pattern anyway, and the pattern would kind of arch over onto the ceiling but not across the whole thing. It might give a sense of height because the walls would look stretched out more.

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9 hours ago, ehall1052 said:

I think I remember that Edward was a “behind the scenes” designer (did a lot of the sewing)

Oh! That's right! I totally forgot that!

 

8 hours ago, laredhead said:

I was searching around for reviews of the new version and came across a story by a writer who had spent a couple of days on the set of the old show and then when the new reboot was filmed.  It's an interesting article about the show, the production, and the designers.  Here's the link if anyone is interested:  https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/10/behind-the-scenes-trading-spaces/

Thanks, laredhead - that was a fun read!

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13 hours ago, laredhead said:

I was searching around for reviews of the new version and came across a story by a writer who had spent a couple of days on the set of the old show and then when the new reboot was filmed.  It's an interesting article about the show, the production, and the designers.  Here's the link if anyone is interested:  https://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/2015/10/behind-the-scenes-trading-spaces/

Thanks for that article.  It includes a link to a great story about the hatefully horrible Hildi hay house

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Not sure if this is the right place to comment but that woman who’s hosting the reunion shows has such bad makeup! That “blush” thing she has going on is just so distracting that I couldn’t even concentrate on what she was saying. Bad, bad for this production. They should know better.

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So this sisters show showed up with a new date, and recorded again.  Were there indeed 2 shows with "rodeo" in the title?
I think it would be more fun to show a different old show each week, a Buy Me, an In a Fix, etc.
And Aashna!  Show us reruns of Vacation Home Search.

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4 minutes ago, auntjess said:

So this sisters show showed up with a new date, and recorded again.  Were there indeed 2 shows with "rodeo" in the title?

No, same episode, just with extra footage this time around.  I forget what word/phrase was added to the title, but it was the kind of thing that turns up in bonus footage/commentary versions of previously-aired episodes of shows, so I clicked on the episode description, which mentioned extra footage.  I just had it on in the background, and then wound up getting in the shower, though, so I didn't pay enough attention to notice the new content.

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not sure if I should start a thread but  the first episode came in 2nd among the top 25 shows for saturday night!!!!  in this day and age a homeowner is bound to stand up to hildy!!!!!   who was the designer who each time she HAD to make a weird lamp???

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7 minutes ago, sue450 said:

 

not sure if I should start a thread but  the first episode came in 2nd among the top 25 shows for saturday night!!!!  in this day and age a homeowner is bound to stand up to hildy!!!!!   who was the designer who each time she HAD to make a weird lamp???

 

There’s already a Media and Ratings thread here.

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On 4/8/2018 at 12:40 AM, valdawn said:

I really wish Hildi wouldn’t have come back. Seriously asking, has any of the people on this show like ever really liked her design? She just seems to be ridiculous just to be ridiculous, and she’s rude too.

It is understandable but they just bought Hildi back for entertainment value of her awful rooms 

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I am surprised that people like Douglas’s room, it looked dark, from the 70’s, and a jungle with that green on the walls but at least the homeowners liked it but as for Hildi’s room, what a mess but I love having her back to see how awful her rooms are for entertainment 

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I hate brown so hated Doug’s room.  Burlap collects dust so...allergies. 

I get ocular migraines so Hildi’s Room is my worst nightmare.

Doug + Hildi = shock value.  So I don’t enjoy them.

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