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2 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

While Natalie Portman has always been the "prestige actress" and Christina Ricci became the girl they hired when Natalie didn't want the job, the one strength that Christina always seem to have over Natalie was the ability to generate chemistry, whether it was friendship or romantic. When I think about my favorite early 90s teen couples, she is usually half the pairing (Casper, Now and Then, Addam Family Values). I like Natalie, but find Christina to be the more open actress.

It's funny because that's exactly how I feel about the Mara sisters.  Rooney is known as the more "prestige" one (she certainly gets better roles, no argument on that) but there is something about her that just reads bland to me.  On the other hand I find Kate more interesting to watch.  

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2 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

This reminds me of my forever unpopular opinion: generating chemistry, especially the romantic kind, is an acting skill just like any other and is not some magical, cannot be explained, thing.

Having suffered through enough straight men uncomfortably doing gay romance on screen, I have to disagree with that one. 

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On 4/13/2021 at 3:49 PM, scarynikki12 said:

This reminds me of my forever unpopular opinion: generating chemistry, especially the romantic kind, is an acting skill just like any other and is not some magical, cannot be explained, thing.

I hear actors saying this as well, and can imagine how unromantic the setting actually is.  On the other hand, Hitchcock said that, without exception,  he never filmed a love scene that wasn't continued on "after hours".  This seemed to delight and amuse him to no end.

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41 minutes ago, Razzberry said:

I hear actors saying this as well, and can imagine how unromantic the setting actually is.

My husband used to work in the movie industry and did a movie with Luke Perry once.  I was onset one day chatting with both of them when they got called in to start filming the love scene.  Luke sighed and said "I'd rather have a root canal".  The comment wasn't about his costar--it was the process of filming the scene itself. 

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4 hours ago, Shannon L. said:

Luke sighed and said "I'd rather have a root canal".  The comment wasn't about his costar--it was the process of filming the scene itself. 

Oh yeah actors hate filming love scenes as a general rule. It's always cold in the studio, they have to starve themselves ahead of time, and the actual filming of the scene can get uncomfortable and awkward. And that's when everything runs smoothly and all parties present behave professionally!

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I remember Ewan McGregor saying love scenes are also embarrassing because even with all the technical stuff that makes it awful, a man’s body can still react as if it is a real encounter so now you are horrified and apologizing between takes because there is no way she doesn’t feel it.  It all sounds not fun to me.

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On 4/11/2021 at 2:00 AM, Irlandesa said:

I think time has perhaps dulled its allure but there were definitely fans of the "sexier" adaptation at the time.  I remember seeing swooning online over it.  It also probably reached a new group of people who may not have seen an adaptation before.  There's something inherently more accessible about a two hour movie compared to a six hour mini-series for a lot of people.

But as time goes on, other things have come out to swoon over and nothing in the movie has had quite the staying power of Firth's Darcy coming out of the pond wet.  My local PBS station just reran that miniseries--a 25-year-old mini-series- in the Sunday prime time slot where they usually run new shows.

 

Sexier?!?!  People actually thought 2005 P&P was sexier than the 1995 version?  Does not compute.  Even if you take out Colin Firth coming out of the pond, I find Jennifer Ehle to bring a lot more sex appeal to the role of Elizabeth Bennet than Keira Knightley did.  And the heat generated in the look Firth and Ehle exchange during the scene where Georgiana's playing the piano at Pemberley is greater than just about everything in the 2005 version.

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On 4/14/2021 at 12:20 AM, kiddo82 said:

It's funny because that's exactly how I feel about the Mara sisters.  Rooney is known as the more "prestige" one (she certainly gets better roles, no argument on that) but there is something about her that just reads bland to me.  On the other hand I find Kate more interesting to watch.  

I like Kate Mara a lot.She's got bags of screen presence and personality. I honestly couldn't tell you without looking at IMDB whether I've even seen Rooney Mara in anything.

52 minutes ago, wallflower75 said:

Sexier?!?!  People actually thought 2005 P&P was sexier than the 1995 version?  Does not compute.  Even if you take out Colin Firth coming out of the pond, I find Jennifer Ehle to bring a lot more sex appeal to the role of Elizabeth Bennet than Keira Knightley did.  And the heat generated in the look Firth and Ehle exchange during the scene where Georgiana's playing the piano at Pemberley is greater than just about everything in the 2005 version.

As a fourteen year old boy in 1995, I can vouch for Jennifer Ehle's sex appeal. I still have a crush on her thanks to that role. It was always baffling to me that Jane was supposed to be the most obviously attractive sister.

I've only seen the 2005 version once and it just seems very shallow and rushed, which isn't surprising when it's a two hour movie rather than a six hour series.

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On 4/15/2021 at 10:34 PM, Crs97 said:

I remember Ewan McGregor saying love scenes are also embarrassing because even with all the technical stuff that makes it awful, a man’s body can still react as if it is a real encounter so now you are horrified and apologizing between takes because there is no way she doesn’t feel it.  It all sounds not fun to me.

It sounds almost like  royal wedding nighst in which   newlywed couples would be escorted to their chambers for the express purpose of consummating their marriage- but knowing that  their every sound before, after ... and DURING was being intently listened to by the entire court  on the other side of the door- and the future of the kingdom depended on whether the groom was ready for the occasion even under intense glare and whether the bride was still a virgin (remarried widows excepted). 

So with the whole production depending on the couple's onscreen chemistry (regardless of whether they are crazy about  , loathing or indifferent to each other offcamera), it's not radically different except that the entire crew is literally watching every move. 

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On 4/17/2021 at 5:57 AM, wallflower75 said:

Sexier?!?!  People actually thought 2005 P&P was sexier than the 1995 version?  Does not compute.

While I agree with you, I think it's the fact that there's some sort of rain kiss and they show them in their pajamas at the end of the movie or something which is supposed to make it "sexier." 

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I think its more of an unpopular opinion to like the Kiera Knightly version of Pride of Prejudice. I recall a lot of fans of the book and mini series disliking the 2005 version when it came out. I actually really like it. 

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I absolutely love it too.  I cannot say how much I love it.  

I agree that loving the Firth version is certainly a popular opinion.  The entire Bridget Jones book series was inspired by it.

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On 4/11/2021 at 3:00 AM, Irlandesa said:

But as time goes on, other things have come out to swoon over and nothing in the movie has had quite the staying power of Firth's Darcy coming out of the pond wet. 

Hell, I don't even like Colin Firth that way, and I agree with this.  I have a friend who is an Austenite and is very knowledgeable about the clothing of the period, and she tore the 2005 adaptation apart in quite a ruthless, but hilarious way.

 

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So it's Oscar season and that leads me to probably one of my biggest UO's.  I hate--HATE--It Happened One Night.  Let me paint you a picture:  I was just scrolling my phone and see a link for EW's top 25 Best Best Actors of all time.  So I click the link and I'm scrolling and scrolling and I see Jamie Foxx and Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins and I get to number 13...Clark Gable.  And I literally started fake retching like a 5 year old who has been given a plate of broccoli.  I don't know why this movie elicits such a visceral response for me.  It's harmless enough and I've really, really tried to appreciate it.  I think I just find both Gable and Colbert (who made EW's list of top 25 Best Best Actresses) so unlikable in it that it's hard to care.  And I get its place in history but I think the Thin Man, which came out the same year, has a lot of similar traits and is far superior.  

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3 hours ago, kiddo82 said:

So it's Oscar season and that leads me to probably one of my biggest UO's.  I hate--HATE--It Happened One Night.  Let me paint you a picture:  I was just scrolling my phone and see a link for EW's top 25 Best Best Actors of all time.  So I click the link and I'm scrolling and scrolling and I see Jamie Foxx and Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins and I get to number 13...Clark Gable.  And I literally started fake retching like a 5 year old who has been given a plate of broccoli.  I don't know why this movie elicits such a visceral response for me.  It's harmless enough and I've really, really tried to appreciate it.  I think I just find both Gable and Colbert (who made EW's list of top 25 Best Best Actresses) so unlikable in it that it's hard to care.  And I get it's place in history but I think the Thin Man, which came out the same year, has a lot of similar traits and is far superior.  

If it makes you feel any better Miss Colbert hated the movie,too, and told at least one friend 'I just finished making the worst movie I've ever made' when it was over! 

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I may have already mentioned this, but since I saw an article claiming that it Oscars overlooked it, I'll say it again:  I didn't particularly like Palm Springs. It was...cute.

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When viewing Matilda one hears the very sympathetic and supportive narration of Danny DeVito rooting for the protagonist and her allies- in sharp contrast to the very sarcastic and oblivious male anti-intellectual parent of the same who happens to be played by Danny DeVito. In viewing the movie, I have the feeling that these could represent two extremes of Mr. DeVito's offcamera personality. 

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On 4/22/2021 at 10:18 PM, kiddo82 said:

And I get it's place in history but I think the Thin Man, which came out the same year, has a lot of similar traits and is far superior.  

I don't hate It Happened One Night, but hell yes The Thin Man is far superior! The Thin Man is one of my all time favorite movies. I just worship the relationship between Nick and Nora Charles. 

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On 4/24/2021 at 7:21 PM, Mabinogia said:

I don't hate It Happened One Night, but hell yes The Thin Man is far superior! The Thin Man is one of my all time favorite movies. I just worship the relationship between Nick and Nora Charles. 

I would watch The Thin Man movies a million times over It Happened One Night which I just found tiresome.  

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I will always be grateful The Shape of Water won the Best Picture Oscar over 3 Billboards. The former wasn't perfect, but at least it wasn't pretentious, ponderous, insulting, award-baiting trash like the latter. 

I like Frances McDormand a lot, but, like @Spartan Girl, I question if she really needs 3 Oscars. Furthermore, as iconic and great as McDormand was in Fargo... it would not have broken my heart if Emily Watson had won for Breaking the Waves

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I liked 3 Billboards and thought it was a fine addition to Frances' collection of angry, rigid, self-righteous roles,  but no more than that.

 

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On 2/3/2021 at 1:40 AM, Danny Franks said:

What do you mean? He cries a bit at the end of the film, so he was obviously a misunderstood sweetheart who just wanted to help people! Except for all the people he murdered in cold blood - including his own girlfriend - of course.

Another case of "the actor is hot so I think the character must be sympathetic."

I actually wanted his female team member to be his mother who had finally been released from prison. Then when he'd shoot her, it would be abundantly clear that he was a full on nihilist with no real larger plans for the betterment of others.

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On 4/11/2021 at 1:11 PM, Razzberry said:

Rebel Without a Cause is overrated, benefiting from the death of James Dean right before it opened.  There, I said it.  The kids are cliche, the parents cardboard cutouts with no depth.   Director Nicholas Ray partly based these troubled youths on a "gang" of ex child actors from Hollywood High who neither smoked nor drank but allegedly had a lot of "teen angst". 

Right off the bat I had issues identifying with or caring about them, starting with Plato the Puppy Killer.  If he had shown some remorse or even interest in the question, I may have cared.  But he doesn't, so I don't.

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Jimmy looks like he's been held back a few grades in school, but blames his parents for everything.  There's not a tear in his eye in this scene, so how torn up could he really be?

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We learn that Jimmy is so troubled that his family is on the move constantly, presumably whenever Jimmy gets overly dramatic.  Something to do with his Dad wearing an apron.

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Look under 'H' for Hamilton, Alexander and Son.

Meanwhile, Natalie Wood is creeping out her father, who's emotionally distant.  News At 11:00.

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According to Nicholas Ray's biography, the almost 50 year old director was banging the underage Wood at the time.  Dennis Hopper was grossed out and had words with him about it, to no avail.  You'd think if Dennis Hopper is concerned about your behavior, perhaps it's time to dial it back, but no.

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Totally agree with this.  I recently rewatched. 

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Some movies that I consider to be very overrated:

Godfather - It has some quality in how it was shot, but the story is horrible. I hate when movies/TV attempt to portray mobsters in any positive light. They are some of the worst scum that prey on people's fears and I can only stomach seeing them as obvious villains that are defeated in the end (not realistic, I know). 

Citizen Kane - I watched it recently and was bored to tears. I don't understand why people consider it good even today.

It's a Wonderful Life - Same as above, but I admit that I was mostly bored because I saw many versions of it before. If I saw this first, I would probably be more interested.

 

I like both versions of Pride and Prejudice (1995 and 2005) a lot. I didn't realize there was so much negative reaction to the 2005 version. 

 

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On 4/22/2021 at 10:18 PM, kiddo82 said:

So it's Oscar season and that leads me to probably one of my biggest UO's.  I hate--HATE--It Happened One Night.  Let me paint you a picture:  I was just scrolling my phone and see a link for EW's top 25 Best Best Actors of all time.  So I click the link and I'm scrolling and scrolling and I see Jamie Foxx and Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins and I get to number 13...Clark Gable.  And I literally started fake retching like a 5 year old who has been given a plate of broccoli.  I don't know why this movie elicits such a visceral response for me.  It's harmless enough and I've really, really tried to appreciate it.  I think I just find both Gable and Colbert (who made EW's list of top 25 Best Best Actresses) so unlikable in it that it's hard to care.  And I get its place in history but I think the Thin Man, which came out the same year, has a lot of similar traits and is far superior.  

I remember enjoying it when I saw it about a decade or so ago, but who knows how I'd feel watching it now.

Clark Gable was a good actor, but he definitely had a type he usually played.

On 4/27/2021 at 7:15 AM, Wiendish Fitch said:

I like Frances McDormand a lot, but, like @Spartan Girl, I question if she really needs 3 Oscars. Furthermore, as iconic and great as McDormand was in Fargo... it would not have broken my heart if Emily Watson had won for Breaking the Waves

I liked McDormand in Fargo, and was fine with her winning the Oscar, but I've found I'm not crazy about her overall.  Maybe this is why:

On 4/27/2021 at 6:38 PM, Razzberry said:

I liked 3 Billboards and thought it was a fine addition to Frances' collection of angry, rigid, self-righteous roles,  but no more than that.

 

On 5/4/2021 at 6:58 AM, JustHereForFood said:

Citizen Kane - I watched it recently and was bored to tears. I don't understand why people consider it good even today.

A lot of that has to do with how groundbreaking much of the film was at the time.  I appreciated it for that reason, but I don't feel any great need to watch it again.

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43 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

A lot of that has to do with how groundbreaking much of the film was at the time.  I appreciated it for that reason, but I don't feel any great need to watch it again.

Same here. Citizen Kane was pretty technically amazing at the time. I saw it in a college film course which gave me a greater appreciation for it than if I'd watched it just as a regular movie. As a movie it's a bit okay but it's got an interesting backstory (about it being a very thinly (if at all) veiled take on William Randolph Hurst and it is more of an important part of film history than just a good movie one enjoys watching over and over. 

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Vertigo is often cited as one of the best movies ever, but I beg to differ.

Noteworthy for being the only movie where Jimmy Stewart annoys and creeps me out, yes, but I didn't care for the convoluted plot or the characters.

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1 hour ago, proserpina65 said:

lot of that has to do with how groundbreaking much of the film was at the time.  I appreciated it for that reason, but I don't feel any great need to watch it again.

When I was in my 20's I lived one and had no cable, so I rented a ton of classic movies. My goal was to get the background on as many Simpsons movie references as possible. I watched Citizen Kane and at first didn't get it. Then I watched the DVD commentary with I think Roger Ebert and he explained a lot of that technical stuff and how it was the first movie to a bunch of things that millions of movies copied.

54 minutes ago, Razzberry said:

Vertigo is often cited as one of the best movies ever, but I beg to differ.

I also watched a ton of Hitchcock movies in that time. Vertigo was one of those movies that I couldn't really get into. It looked good but was kind of boring. At the time it probably wasn't bin my top 5 Hitchcock movies. I watched it again last year and found that my opinion hadn't changed.

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21 hours ago, Razzberry said:

Vertigo is often cited as one of the best movies ever, but I beg to differ.

Noteworthy for being the only movie where Jimmy Stewart annoys and creeps me out, yes, but I didn't care for the convoluted plot or the characters.

That's another one where I get why critics think it's so terrific, but it's far from my favorite Hitchcock film.  Which is North By Northwest.

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If I had my way, Singin' in the Rain would be considered the Greatest Film of All Time.

But it ain't up to me, so....

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21 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

When I was in my 20's I lived one and had no cable, so I rented a ton of classic movies. My goal was to get the background on as many Simpsons movie references as possible. I watched Citizen Kane and at first didn't get it. Then I watched the DVD commentary with I think Roger Ebert and he explained a lot of that technical stuff and how it was the first movie to a bunch of things that millions of movies copied.

 

When you grow up watching the imitators, it can be hard to recognize the genius of the originator.  I had the same reaction to Some Like it Hot.  I had to take a step back to realize how groundbreaking the ending was.  It will never be the funniest movie ever made for me, but I can appreciate it for what it was in the 60s.

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I’m learning this is unpopular.

I love every moment of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I think it’s absolutely brilliant and I’ve seen it multiple times. It is one of the three films I will watch every single time it’s on, other two being Gandhi and The Exorcist.

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Gwyneth Paltrow's Oscar for her performance in "Shakespeare in Love" isn't some horrible, egregious mistake.

Thought she brought a special radiance to the role.

Wow, I feel better now.

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11 hours ago, caracas1914 said:

Gwyneth Paltrow's Oscar for her performance in "Shakespeare in Love" isn't some horrible, egregious mistake.

Thought she brought a special radiance to the role.

Wow, I feel better now.

Nor was Marissa Tomei's for My Cousin Vinny.  She made that movie.  

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16 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Nor was Marissa Tomei's for My Cousin Vinny.  She made that movie.  

 

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Nor was Marissa Tomei's for My Cousin Vinny.  She made that movie.  

I will forever defend Marissa Tomei's Oscar for that movie. People forget that comedy can be as difficult to nail as drama.  

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There was a WatchMojo once where they listed the most "underwhelming" actress winners and Marisa Tomei made the list.  The voice over was basically that she beat out heftier actresses in heftier roles and that to me is mule muffins.*  People downplay comedic performances so much and it's not inherently lesser because you're not thrashing and chewing scenery.  I know the Academy has no way of knowing this at the time, but everyone remembers what Tomei did in My Cousin Vinny and if you offered me a billion dollars I couldn't tell you what Vanessa Redgrave was even nominated for without Googling it.  Tomei gives a great performance and it was the exact, right call.  

*full disclosure is I basically said the same thing about why I wanted anyone but Frances Mcdormand to win this year so I guess I'm a hypocrite but I'm owning it.

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Garbo. Why is she such a legend?  To find out I watched a few of her movies.  Yes, she's pretty and a good actress, but so were many women. A few things annoyed me, such as always thrusting neck back and staring off into the distance - perhaps the result of being paired with so many old geezers.  

Garbo in Mysterious Lady

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Garbo in Ninotchka

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In Queen Christina

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In Wild Orchids

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Yeck!  No wonder she vanted to be alone.

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I will forever defend Marissa Tomei's Oscar for that movie. People forget that comedy can be as difficult to nail as drama.

And her other nominations show she wasn't a one-trick-pony either.

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 Yes, she's pretty and a good actress, but so were many women.

Very pretty and a very good actress, I would say. Something about her and the camera, she was just had this electricity when the camera was on her. Definitely in my Top 5 Old School Hollywood Actresses list (the others being both Hepburns, Better Davis, and Ingrid Bergman).

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If the Judy Garland biography Get Happy is to be believed, Garland felt woefully inadequate and unattractive compared to her frenemy, Lana Turner.

It pisses me off that no one pulled Garland aside and said, "Judy, not only do you dwarf Lana Turner in terms of class and talent, but you put that average-looking dullard to shame in the beauty department!

I'm sorry, but Turner was at best marginally attractive, and just barely made the grade as an actress. And what's with this ongoing narrative about Judy Garland not being beautiful?! Before drugs and alcohol destroyed her looks, she was gorgeous!

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24 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

If the Judy Garland biography Get Happy is to be believed, Garland felt woefully inadequate and unattractive compared to her frenemy, Lana Turner.

It pisses me off that no one pulled Garland aside and said, "Judy, not only do you dwarf Lana Turner in terms of class and talent, but you put that average-looking dullard to shame in the beauty department!

I'm sorry, but Turner was at best marginally attractive, and just barely made the grade as an actress. And what's with this ongoing narrative about Judy Garland not being beautiful?! Before drugs and alcohol destroyed her looks, she was gorgeous!

Judy was S T U N N I N G and I will fight over anyone who says otherwise!

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Judy was one of those rare breeds who could be both stunning and girl next door.  Just flat out beautiful.

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I'd say they were both beautiful, in their own way. Though Garland was definitely the more talented one overall. Ironically, there are also stories about Turner being envious of Judy's talent.

One of my favorite roles of Garland's was in Judgement at Nuremberg. A small role, but very memorable. And she deservedly walked away with an Oscar nomination for it.

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One of my favorite Lana Turner stories was that she was asked about being nicknamed “Sweater Girl” and she supposedly said something along the lines of “I wasn’t wearing a bra, and when you’re young they bounce.”  I didn’t get the feeling she took herself too seriously, though she certainly acquitted herself fairly well in her acting career. 
 

Judy was terrific in Judgment.  Then again, she was terrific in most of the stuff she did.

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2 hours ago, Crs97 said:

 
 

Judy was terrific in Judgment.  Then again, she was terrific in most of the stuff she did.

Yes, she was!  It can't have been easy for Miss Garland to have played someone who had felt compelled to get into a sordid relationship to try to save her and her family's lives when she was younger- then to try to downplay its ugliness when attempting to save her former acquaintance from prison time and/or execution years later.  I couldn't help but wonder if she may have channeled her understandably mixed feelings re her MGM studio boss Louis B. Mayer re getting into that character's skin. Of course, at the time, his role in having been a contributing factor re so many issues in her life wouldn't come to light outside the Hollywood clique for some time.  Yet, I'd like to think that the role may have been somewhat cathartic for her (and there wasn't the slightest bit of humor much less any singing or dancing involved). 

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18 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

If the Judy Garland biography Get Happy is to be believed, Garland felt woefully inadequate and unattractive compared to her frenemy, Lana Turner.

It pisses me off that no one pulled Garland aside and said, "Judy, not only do you dwarf Lana Turner in terms of class and talent, but you put that average-looking dullard to shame in the beauty department!

I'm sorry, but Turner was at best marginally attractive, and just barely made the grade as an actress. And what's with this ongoing narrative about Judy Garland not being beautiful?! Before drugs and alcohol destroyed her looks, she was gorgeous!

Read that Garland had a crush on band leader Artie Shaw and was devastated when he eloped and married Lana Turner.   Could not have helped her self esteem.

In defense of Lana Turner, most of Judy Garland's  issues can be laid on the toxic environment she grew up at MGM.   There the male brass, from Louis B. Mayer on down, reinforced to Garland that she was too fat and not pretty enough.   It was bad enough in memos, but they literally would tell the impressionable adolescent that she looked like a pig.   Capping her teeth and inserting rubber discs in her nose to change the shape (yes, she WAS naturally pretty but all those glamour shots had no connection to reality and with lights, camera angles / shading and those rubber discs even altered her appearance) 

Add an acquiescent mother who complicitly allowed the studio to put her on a starvation diet for years (and hired spies reporting back if she ate or drank more) and the MGM ploy of giving her amphetamines and barbiturates to keep her awake or go to sleep on brutally long filming schedules,  It was almost the perfect storm of a defenseless minor at the whims of the so called guardian adults around her.  

Who wouldn't have come out of that with major self esteem, addiction and health issues?  

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I don’t know if this is an UO or not, but my current relationship with the MCU is…complicated. I am still eager for the new stuff with Thor, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Spider-Man, and the Guardians, etc.

But Endgame ruined Steve Rogers for me, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier made it worse (not Sam and Bucky, they’re still awesome).

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1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

I don’t know if this is an UO or not, but my current relationship with the MCU is…complicated. I am still eager for the new stuff with Thor, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Spider-Man, and the Guardians, etc.

But Endgame ruined Steve Rogers for me, and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier made it worse (not Sam and Bucky, they’re still awesome).

Yeah. I was trying to be ok with it, to justify it, but the more I think about it, the more bothered I am. It makes me sad, because I liked all of them,  but that damn ending made it too hard to like Steve. I was kind of wishing that he'd come back as an old man in FATWS for a chat. One that would put those of us who were upset a little more at ease. So, I hear you and I understand FATWS making it worse. No one else should have been put in Sam's or John's position. But, I am happy for Sam. He'll carry that mantle well.

I still love the series, though,  and am looking forward to the next phase.

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I am still annoyed that the explanation TPTB gave for the ending was Tony finally was selfless while Steve was finally selfish.  I guess hand carrying a nuclear weapon to outer space doesn’t count as selfless.  Tough crowd.

 

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41 minutes ago, Shannon L. said:

Yeah. I was trying to be ok with it, to justify it, but the more I think about it, the more bothered I am. It makes me sad, because I liked all of them,  but that damn ending made it too hard to like Steve. I was kind of wishing that he'd come back as an old man in FATWS for a chat. One that would put those of us who were upset a little more at ease. So, I hear you and I understand FATWS making it worse. No one else should have been put in Sam's or John's position. But, I am happy for Sam. He'll carry that mantle well.

I still love the series, though,  and am looking forward to the next phase.

TFATWS made it worse by basically confirming Steve didn’t give a rat’s ass about Sharon being on the run somewhere and just went running to Peggy without even thinking about securing her a pardon. And all of this contrivance just to turn Sharon into a villain. Ughhh.

Here’s another MCU UO: I like Jane Foster and I thought she and Thor were cute together. So there!

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