Unpopular Opinions

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, wallflower75 said:

And really--"You're the One That I Want" is all about what Sandy wants in a man, and what Danny needs to do to win her, with the refrain of "you better shape up/I better shape up."

That is very true. I always saw their romance as two people learning to become better versions of themselves because someone thinks they can. Sandy learned to come out of her shell and embrace a more free and daring side of herself (but as you point out with the cigarette, she isn't going to do things that aren't her) and Danny finally has someone who believes he can be more than a hoodlum. 

I think that what makes it seem problematic could be that her change is more visual than his and therefor more obvious. But it is clear that he made efforts to change for her as well, it's just more personality change and less wardrobe change.

This discussion has made me want to rewatch Grease. It's been a while since I've seen it, and time has adjusted the truth to fit my interpretation. I'm curious to see if, after this discussion, I see things differently. I've always kind of seen the movie through my original interpretation of it which was made when I was young and naive and far more like start of the movie Sandy. 

[Crs97]

I recall the cigarette differently:  he has dropped in front of her feet after announcing his “chills are electrifying”, and she turns to the girls not sure what to do.  She drops the cigarette in front of him at their suggestion with her fancy shoe putting it out and pushing him back upwards.  I don’t remember disgust.

I just rewatched, and it is what I remember IMO.  I also think it would have been more believable that he was changing for her if he spent more time looking in her eyes than at other parts of her body.

[Spartan Girl]

Moving on to another UO:

I like Sense and Sensibility more than Pride and Prejudice. In fact all versions of Pride and Prejudice bore me.

*braces self for an onslaught of angry Austen fans*

[Shannon L.]

Two more opinions about a Marvel movie that seem to be unpopular:

1. I hated that they made Mjilnor a sentient being and that they made Thor treat it like one.

2. I hated that they made Zeus into.....whatever that was.  He should have been more formidable and serious.

[Irlandesa]

On 8/13/2022 at 8:44 AM, Mabinogia said:

That is very true. I always saw their romance as two people learning to become better versions of themselves because someone thinks they can. Sandy learned to come out of her shell and embrace a more free and daring side of herself (but as you point out with the cigarette, she isn't going to do things that aren't her) and Danny finally has someone who believes he can be more than a hoodlum. 

I think that what makes it seem problematic could be that her change is more visual than his and therefor more obvious. But it is clear that he made efforts to change for her as well, it's just more personality change and less wardrobe change.

I agree with this post.  The thing Danny needed to "change" wasn't about wardrobe.  Or even who he was.  There were tons of hints throughout the movie that his whole T-Birds persona was a front.  His big thing was getting to the point that he could show people "uncool" sides to himself.  Just because he threw off his letter jacket (when Sandy threw off her leather jacket) doesn't mean he didn't earn it.  And he wasn't afraid to show how much Sandy owned him.  He was on his knees in front of her for the first half of "You're The One That I Want."

And Sandy didn't need to change to get Danny.  He wanted to be with her.  I think the thing she threw off is also what others might think of her--namely her parents.  Some of the lyrics in the "Sandra Dee" reprise are:

Look at me
there has to be
something more than what they see
wholesome and pure
oh, so scared and unsure

And there's a line when she protests about getting her ears pierced, she says her dad wouldn't like it.

So maybe the wardrobe change wasn't about becoming sexually promiscuous but rather about not running from things or exploration just because society expects her to stick to the 50's persona of a pure woman.

Speaking of the stage musical, there's an interesting analysis that can be read here.  The character of Sandy is a metaphor for many things.  And it goes into the dark underbelly of Sandra Dee's life.

[katha]

On 8/14/2022 at 5:08 AM, Spartan Girl said:

Moving on to another UO:

I like Sense and Sensibility more than Pride and Prejudice. In fact all versions of Pride and Prejudice bore me.

*braces self for an onslaught of angry Austen fans*

I love Pride and Prejudice, but because it's become the template for many a tired romcom, it needs to be done exceptionally well. Many movies using that structure just focus on the superficial aspects, ignoring that it's about two people taking a hard look at themselves and changing for themselves before they reconnect. I also like Lizzie Bennet fine, but IMO she's not Austen's best character, so the hyperfocus on her can get tiresome. 

I think Persuasion and Emma are better books and if done right, adaptations of them are richer in characterization and world-building. 

[Katy M]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:08 PM, Spartan Girl said:

Moving on to another UO:

I like Sense and Sensibility more than Pride and Prejudice. In fact all versions of Pride and Prejudice bore me.

*braces self for an onslaught of angry Austen fans*

I'll beat your unpopular opinion with an even bigger one.  Mansfield Park is my favorite Austen book.

[proserpina65]

On 8/13/2022 at 11:08 PM, Spartan Girl said:

I like Sense and Sensibility more than Pride and Prejudice. In fact all versions of Pride and Prejudice bore me.

While Pride and Prejudice doesn't bore me, I too prefer Sense and Sensibility.  And prefer Persuasion (the Amanda Root/Ciaran Hinds version) to either of them.

[JustHereForFood]

On 8/14/2022 at 5:08 AM, Spartan Girl said:

Moving on to another UO:

I like Sense and Sensibility more than Pride and Prejudice. In fact all versions of Pride and Prejudice bore me.

I love both, but I think that the 1995 version of Sense and Sensibility is the best of Austen adaptations. And one of the best movies ever.

[JustHereForFood]

On the topic of Grease, I don't like that take that Sandy has changed just for Danny and that's terrible. Like @Irlandesa said, I see it as her becoming more confident in general, maybe even (at least in her eyes) becoming a woman and embracing her sensuality. I like the short song "Goodbye to Sandra Dee", I like the resolution with which she sings it. And I remember having a lot of changes of style at that age (or later, even now, from time to time).

I generally hate movie makeovers (like in The Princess Diaries, or Miss Congeniality), but that is because it's usually a girl/woman being made to look more conventionally pretty. Some would bluntly say from ugly to beautiful. Ugh, excuse me while I vomit. 

But I don't consider the makeover in Grease to be in the same category. Or the one in The Devil Wears Prada for that matter. These seem like organic changes, understandable in that situation, not just someone else going "Oh, you need to look different, let me make you pretty".

[SherriAnt]

On 8/3/2022 at 9:27 AM, RunningMarket said:

but I whoooo'd" and "vy am I am drippings in goo?" in Peter MacNicol's accent way

So do hubs and I! Great minds think alike!

[RunningMarket]

15 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

But I don't consider the makeover in Grease to be in the same category. Or the one in The Devil Wears Prada for that matter. These seem like organic changes, understandable in that situation, not just someone else going "Oh, you need to look different, let me make you pretty".

This is a good point for TDWP. Other than a slight change to her hairstyle, Andy facially looked the same. It was her clothes that changed primarily. Although, the context of it in the movie was "you need to fit in with the fashionistas, so you do need to change."

[Ohiopirate02]

I always thought the makeover in The Devil Wears Prada was about Andie finally taking her job seriously.  She has a job that "a million girls would kill for" but her utter disdain for the publication and those working for it are obvious on day one.  Miranda calls her out for her attitude on day one, but she still continues to act superior for weeks if not months after.  Andie also takes this position with the full knowledge that the one year she will be working as Miranda's assistant is the equivalent of working an entry level position at a more prestigious publication for 3-5 years.  She also had the choice to work for another publication, but turned that down for Runway.  Andi also has the choice to quit at any time.  There is no pressing need for her to stay at Runway the full year.  She wants all the benefits without doing the work.  Her initial plan was to half-ass her job for a year and still somehow magically get a reference of of Miranda that will open doors for Andie and she will start the life she's supposed to have. 

Andie's new wardrobe is a reflection of her taking her job seriously and no longer phoning it in.  She's now going to be present and actually earn that reference.

[andromeda331]

10 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I always thought the makeover in The Devil Wears Prada was about Andie finally taking her job seriously.  She has a job that "a million girls would kill for" but her utter disdain for the publication and those working for it are obvious on day one.  Miranda calls her out for her attitude on day one, but she still continues to act superior for weeks if not months after.  Andie also takes this position with the full knowledge that the one year she will be working as Miranda's assistant is the equivalent of working an entry level position at a more prestigious publication for 3-5 years.  She also had the choice to work for another publication, but turned that down for Runway.  Andi also has the choice to quit at any time.  There is no pressing need for her to stay at Runway the full year.  She wants all the benefits without doing the work.  Her initial plan was to half-ass her job for a year and still somehow magically get a reference of of Miranda that will open doors for Andie and she will start the life she's supposed to have. 

Andie's new wardrobe is a reflection of her taking her job seriously and no longer phoning it in.  She's now going to be present and actually earn that reference.

I agree it showed she was finally taking her job seriously. Right before the makeover scene she goes to Nigel looking for sympathy. He rightly points out that she's not taking her job seriously. She shows up dressed terribly, laughed when her boss was talking to someone about color of belts and pretty much puts down the entire business. It's okay to have that opinion. But not while she's working there.  If she's going to work there she needs to take her job seriously. I like watching her start to appreciate fashion and learning. I like when characters or people in general end up liking or appreciating something they never thought they would.

[Spartan Girl]

And I really hate that Andy was branded a sellout by Nate and her so-called friends just because she wound up liking the job and the lifestyle she initially didn’t want. 

[Ohiopirate02]

4 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

And I really hate that Andy was branded a sellout by Nate and her so-called friends just because she wound up liking the job and the lifestyle she initially didn’t want. 

Andie's friends were in no position to cast any stones.  One worked in finance and the other at an art gallery while Nate was working in a bougie restaurant, none of them were out saving the world.  And yet, somehow, Andie's job at a fashion magazine was an issue.  

[andromeda331]

18 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Andie's friends were in no position to cast any stones.  One worked in finance and the other at an art gallery while Nate was working in a bougie restaurant, none of them were out saving the world.  And yet, somehow, Andie's job at a fashion magazine was an issue.  

That's what I hated about her friends and Nate. They gave her such grief and treated her like a sell out when they weren't doing anything noble or saving the world. How is working in an art gallery better? Isn't it the same thing? They also had no problem taking her expensive freebies. Bitching about French fries and expensive cheese but pissed when Andie started liking her job. How is fancy expensive cheese better then expensive bags? 

[Ohiopirate02]

5 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

That's what I hated about her friends and Nate. They gave her such grief and treated her like a sell out when they weren't doing anything noble or saving the world. How is working in an art gallery better? Isn't it the same thing? They also had no problem taking her expensive freebies. Bitching about French fries and expensive cheese but pissed when Andie started liking her job. How is fancy expensive cheese better then expensive bags? 

The screenwriters changed a lot from the book in an attempt to humanize Andie more because Book Andie is an entitled brat.  They just forgot the fact that the new occupations given to Nate et al. changes the way the audience perceives them and them calling out Andie for selling her soul to fashion.  In the book, Nate is a teacher who chose to move to NYC with Andie and is teaching in an underprivileged school.  And her female friend spirals into drugs and alcohol addiction that Andie misses because she's too busy working at Runway.  

[Spartan Girl]

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The screenwriters changed a lot from the book in an attempt to humanize Andie more because Book Andie is an entitled brat.  They just forgot the fact that the new occupations given to Nate et al. changes the way the audience perceives them and them calling out Andie for selling her soul to fashion.  In the book, Nate is a teacher who chose to move to NYC with Andie and is teaching in an underprivileged school.  And her female friend spirals into drugs and alcohol addiction that Andie misses because she's too busy working at Runway.  

Yeah but in the sequel Nate/Alex admitted he still didn’t have any right to judge her.

Regarding Lily, there’s only so much you can do to help an addicted loved one if they don’t help themselves. Her getting into a car accident was not on Andy; Andy was going to visit Lily after the accident, she just needed to stay a few more days because leaving in the middle of a big week at Runway would have meant all her work was for nothing.

So yeah Book Andy might have been less sympathetic, but not completely so.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Yeah but in the sequel Nate/Alex admitted he still didn’t have any right to judge her.

Regarding Lily, there’s only so much you can do to help an addicted loved one if they don’t help themselves. Her getting into a car accident was not on Andy; Andy was going to visit Lily after the accident, she just needed to stay a few more days because leaving in the middle of a big week at Runway would have meant all her work was for nothing.

So yeah Book Andy might have been less sympathetic, but not completely so.

I agree about Lily and how much Andie could have possibly helped her.  There are limits to what you can do when dealing with addiction.  

I never found Book Andie to be sympathetic while Movie Andie is more so.  I think it was smart of the screenwriters to nix Andie's roommates who were working similar soul-sucking hours in finance.  That is what you do when starting out in high pressure/high salary careers and you lack the connections to jump ahead.  Book Andie was also more self-sabotaging than Movie Andie with her taking as long as possible getting the Starbucks order while calling Nate and Lily and chain-smoking as well as her choosing to buy the homeless some coffee on the company's dime.  I do think that the job would have been less stressful and soul-sucking if Andie would have actually given a damn and did her job efficiently.  Her lack of self-awareness really grated after awhile.  I do have some reservations over the movie making Emily a bitch when Book Emily was decidedly not.  Don't get me wrong, Emily Blount was excellent in the role.  She and Stanley Tucci are the best things in the movie. But, casting her as a bitch instead of a friend changes how the Paris scenes go down and the ending, and I don't think it's for the better.

[kiddo82]

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Don't get me wrong, Emily Blount was excellent in the role.  She and Stanley Tucci are the best things in the movie. But, casting her as a bitch instead of a friend changes how the Paris scenes go down and the ending, and I don't think it's for the better.

I'm not familiar with the book but table for 2 about Emily Blunt.  Not sure how unpopular this is but that movie falls off a cliff once she's primarily gone.  I usually change the channel when it gets to Paris.

[Hiyo]

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I usually change the channel when it gets to Paris.

The Paris porn is what keeps me watching. Best part of the movie.

[kiddo82]

5 hours ago, Hiyo said:

The Paris porn is what keeps me watching. Best part of the movie.

My best friend says the same thing.  I don't know if she thinks it's necessarily the best part of the movie but we definitely agree to disagree about the Paris porn keeping us invested the latter 1/4 of the film.

[andromeda331]

I love the work side of the movie and it has so many of my favorite actors. I love Anne Hathaway and Stanley Tucci. I love Emily Blunt and Simon Baker. Meryl Streep did a great job. I do like Andie pointing out if Miranda was a man no one would say anything about how she treated people. Sadly, she's right.

[pinkandsparkly13]

First of all, is it Andy or Andie? Lol anyway, my unpopular opinion is that I don't have a problem with Nate or the friends. Besides, it was really only Nate and the girl. I don't even know her name 😬. The guy friend didn't do anything, except maybe when they tossed around her phone. And it was only that one scene where they accepted free gifts from her. I could understand being annoyed by Nate, but the girlfriend wasn't that bad. She only called her out once. I don't see a problem with her being shocked seeing a guy kissing Andy slowly on the cheek and watching her smile like she did. And Nate flat out said his job wasn't that serious or important.  I could see why they thought she was changing, and the job was taking over her life. Of course I don't have a problem with Andy taking her job seriously and getting into it, but you have to find a balance sometimes. I feel like most people don't like her friends in the movie nowadays, and my opinions have become the "unpopular" ones. Lol

[AimingforYoko]

4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

I do like Andie pointing out if Miranda was a man no one would say anything about how she treated people. Sadly, she's right.

Really? The only difference I can see is that a male boss would not be called a bitch. He'd be called an asshole. It is possible to be an effective boss without being an asshole.

Edited August 20, 2022 by AimingforYoko

[Hiyo]

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He'd be called an asshole

Not necessarily.

[starri]

I love science fiction, film noir, and sumptuous production design.

Blade Runner bores the hell out of me.

[Blergh]

On 8/20/2022 at 2:28 PM, AimingforYoko said:

Really? The only difference I can see is that a male boss would not be called a bitch. He'd be called an asshole. It is possible to be an effective boss without being an asshole.

Agree! In every single job I've ever worked in, if the employees have believed that the bosses have proven obnoxious, incompetent and/or needlessly mean to employees, there have  ALWAYS been co-workers who've had no problems calling out their less-than-ideal behaviors- regardless of gender or background! Now how many of them actually say any of the above to the bosses and/or HR instead of just endlessly gossiping claims about the above to each other and/or stirring up teapot tempests is another story. ..

[tribeca]

On 8/10/2022 at 11:46 AM, Gharlane said:

I found the ending of Grease depressing. So, Sandy conforms and becomes a slut for Danny, who doesn't change at all.

I was a kid the first time I saw this movie.  Knowing even then I would be a sandy I too was sad she had to change.  When I said this to my mom, aunt and older sister they said I would understand when I got older. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Never mind, I see this was discussed already. I'm on the side of Danny also spent the entire movie trying to change and be good enough for Sandy, and there are many scenes that point to that fact.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[Mabinogia]

17 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Never mind, I see this was discussed already. I'm on the side of Danny also spent the entire movie trying to change and be good enough for Sandy, and there are many scenes that point to that fact.

I very recently watched a video about movie "mean girls" and they did Rizzo. They showed the clip where Rizzo shoves Sandy at Danny for their first meeting and it is extremely clear that he adores her. His whole "bad boy" facade falls at the sight of her and it is only when he realizes his "boys" are watching that he does his whole "oh, hey, no big deal seeing you again" despite practically squealing when he did see her. 

So I think that both of them became who they really are for each other. They didn't change, it's just that being together gave them the bravery to not care what others thought and be themselves. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Well not only do I agree, but I think that "Grease" is a perfect movie with no flaws.  I love it.  But, I am disagreeing with the shorthand critique of "Grease" that I see all the time which is "Sandy changed for Danny, Danny didn't change at all!" I don't understand that critique and I definitely disagree with it.

6 minutes ago, Mabinogia said:

I very recently watched a video about movie "mean girls" and they did Rizzo. They showed the clip where Rizzo shoves Sandy at Danny for their first meeting and it is extremely clear that he adores her. His whole "bad boy" facade falls at the sight of her and it is only when he realizes his "boys" are watching that he does his whole "oh, hey, no big deal seeing you again" despite practically squealing when he did see her. 

This is one of the best cinematic scenes I've ever seen, honestly.  John's acting is sublime.

[Ambrosefolly]

Killmonger was wrong and T'Challa was right. Despite being half Wakandan, he had no real affection for its people (as seen when he had the heart shaped herb destroyed, an important cultural aspect), and when you are a monarch or ruler of a sovereign nation, that is a huge problem. I don't think his plan to hand over weapons to people of African descendant would have worked the way he thought. Other issues aside, the oppressors he would try to overthrow would literally take the nuclear option. If Wakandans have to start fighting for other peoples' wars, or have their quality of life reduced, in a few years they would seek to kill him. I believe what ended monarchies like France is when they empty their coffers to help other countries (USA) while their own people starved. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Ambrosefolly

[Spartan Girl]

7 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

Killmonger was wrong and T'Challa was right.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

14 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

If Wakandans have to start fighting for other peoples' wars, or have their quality of life reduced, in a few years they would seek to kill him. I believe what ended monarchies like France is when they empty their coffers to help other countries (USA) while their own people starved. 

They even point this out during the story, since the only reason Okoye didn't lead the Dora Milaje in a rebellion immediately is because she felt bound by tradition to serve the new king, even if he was an usurper. Had Killmonger's rule continued due to T'Challa being actually dead, he'd have either been assassinated within a couple of years by his own people or killed by another government.

[Spartan Girl]

The difference between a villain and an antihero is that antiheroes usually have one or several redeeming acts or motivation that keeps them from being a full-on villain.

Name one good thing Kilmonger did.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Can't think of any? Thought so.

And no, "he showed T'Challa that Wakanda shouldn't isolate itself" doesn't count because 1) it wasn't intentional and 2) Nakia told him the same thing, and I bet he would have come to that conclusion eventually.

For all his talk about his "brothers and sisters," Kilmonger's plan didn't seem to involve doing anything to actually help them. All he wanted to do was grab power and start World War III. He didn't give a shit about anyone else that got caught in the crossfire. He didn't care about anybody. That was made clear long before that he had all the Wakanda herbs destroyed: it was when he killed his own girlfriend to get to Klaue -- not that I actually felt sorry for her, that was laser-induced karma as far as I was concerned.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[Ambrosefolly]

If there was any humanity in Killmonger, it was because of Michael B Jordan, not anything Killmonger did.

The defense of Killmonger never shows how Wakandans would benefit since, in a sense, they have first right to resources of Wakanda, which is what T'Challa had to keep in mind, as he should as king. Killmonger would do to Wakanda what the colonizers did to other countries, which is strip them natural resources.  I don't think even W'Kabi would that jazzed to be working with him if he found out Killmonger's dad's role in the death of his father.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Ambrosefolly

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Ambrosefolly said:

I don't think even W'Kabi would that jazzed to be working with him if he found out Killmonger's dad's role in the death of his father.

Yeah that was a perfectly good plot point that was wasted.

[Danny Franks]

9 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

If there was any humanity in Killmonger, it was because of Michael B Jordan, not anything Killmonger did.

This is it entirely. People like Michael B. Jordan, so they convince themselves the character he played was somehow noble but misunderstood, or worthy of redemption. He wasn't. A tear as he died didn't change any of the things he did -

Murdering a museum curator just because she was there.

Murdering his own girlfriend as soon as she became an inconvenience.

Gleefully killing Dora Milaje warriors when they refused to follow his commands.

Killing his cousin to take the throne then immediately trashing proud Wakandan traditions.

Those are just the things we saw him do, but remember that every one of those gross scars on his body was supposed to signify a person he killed.

That's the misunderstood hero? No. That's the psychopath with delusions of grandeur. He didn't want to save the world, he wanted to rule it and he planned to use a culture and a people he had no affinity or care for as his soldiers.

All that said, I still think one of the glaring plot holes in the movies is that T'Chaka killed his brother then left his body, along with all his belongings, in a seedy apartment in Oakland. No way on earth that a society as secretive as the Wakandans wouldn't have stripped that place bare and left no trace. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Danny Franks

[Shannon L.]

Thank you all.  All this time I thought I was missing something in Killmonger's story.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Shannon L. said:

Thank you all.  All this time I thought I was missing something in Killmonger's story.

Now I feel less bad that his maudlin final words about joining all the slaves that threw themselves into the ocean left me utterly cold. I just rolled my eyes and went “spare me.” Even my friend, who only just saw the movie last month, can’t understand why people feel sorry for him, let alone think he was right. 

I do adore Michael B. Jordan though, and am happy to watch him in movies where he doesn’t play assholes.

[BlueSkies]

The 1st 2 Godfather movies are overrated and over quoted.  They are not bad movies I just think not in the top 10 greatest of all time kind of thing.

In terms of acting performances: 

Pacino was better in Dog Day Afternoon

Brando was better in On the Waterfront 

Shire was better as Adrienne in the rocky films

Caan was better in Misery 

Though Cazale as Fredo was great.  

Speaking of mob movies Goodfellas is on the overrated side and quoted too much as well.  Again it's not a bad movie.  But pretty much everyone in the movie is an asshole.  It was hard for me to exactly pull for them 

Edited September 24, 2022 by BlueSkies

[Wiendish Fitch]

12 minutes ago, BlueSkies said:

The 1st 2 Godfather movies are overrated and over quoted.  They are not bad movies I just think not in the top 10 greatest of all time kind of thing.

In terms of acting performances: 

Pacino was better in Dog Day Afternoon

Brando was better in On the Waterfront 

Shire was better as Adrienne in the rocky films

Caan was better in Misery 

Though Cazale as Fredo was great.  

Speaking of mob movies Goodfellas is on the overrated side and quoted too much as well.  Again it's not a bad movie.  But pretty much everyone in the movie is an asshole.  It was hard for me to exactly pull for them 

Let me add on to this: I will never not be thrilled that Joel Grey won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar over both Al Pacino and James Caan, and that Bob Fosse won for Best Director over Francis Ford Coppola. I fucking love Cabaret like you wouldn't believe. 

[BlueSkies]

Problem Child is one of the top 10 funniest movies ever made.  Yet only has 5.8/10 on imdb.  or something like that.  What the hell? 

[Wiendish Fitch]

4 hours ago, BlueSkies said:

Problem Child is one of the top 10 funniest movies ever made.  Yet only has 5.8/10 on imdb.  or something like that.  What the hell? 

Piggy-backing off of this: Rat Race is so brutally underrated and has an unfairly middling reputation (45% critical rating on Rotten Tomatoes? Seriously?!)

Oh, and if life were fair, Amy Smart would have reached Jennifer Lawrence-levels of fame and popularity, because she is so damn charming in Rat Race (and has a laugh-til-it-hurts scene that I don't dare spoil).

Edited September 25, 2022 by Wiendish Fitch

[Browncoat]

7 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Piggy-backing off of this: Rat Race is so brutally underrated and has an unfairly middling reputation (45% critical rating on Rotten Tomatoes? Seriously?!)

Oh, and if life were fair, Amy Smart would have reached Jennifer Lawrence-levels of fame and popularity, because she is so damn charming in Rat Race (and has a laugh-til-it-hurts scene that I don't dare spoil).

"It's a race!  I am winning!"

And I agree that it is underrated, and likely unfairly compared to It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World.

[BlueSkies]

Who’s That Girl is a very cute movie.  Yet got slammed by the reviews.  I give it 9 out of 10 stars

Jim Varney in all the Earnest movies are comedy classics as well and underrated 

[andromeda331]

Thank you for saying that about the Godfather. Everyone around me acts like him insane because I don't like the trilogy. I don't hate it. But I don't like it. 

Misery is my favorite James Caan movie. That was his best movie He was also awesome in the tv series Las Vegas.

On 9/24/2022 at 10:50 PM, Wiendish Fitch said:

Piggy-backing off of this: Rat Race is so brutally underrated and has an unfairly middling reputation (45% critical rating on Rotten Tomatoes? Seriously?!)

Oh, and if life were fair, Amy Smart would have reached Jennifer Lawrence-levels of fame and popularity, because she is so damn charming in Rat Race (and has a laugh-til-it-hurts scene that I don't dare spoil).

Rat Race really surprised me. I really didn't think I would like it but my mom picked it out for our movie night.  I loved it. It was so funny from beginning to end. There's so many great parts. Whoopi and her daughter stealing the car thing, and their reaction when they get off it. The Lucys. I love Jon Lovitz and his wife Hitler car landed on the stage at a World War II event and the veterans immediately start firing.

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My favorite Mel Brooks movie is To Be or Not to Be with Mel Brooks and his wife as Frederick and Anna the incredible Anne Bancraft as the stars and theater owners in Warsaw just as the war breaks out Mel pretending to be the Professor, Erhardt and Hitler at different times in the movie. They end up fleeing Warsaw with their theater troop, a tons of Jews dressed up as clowns walking them right out of the theater packed full of Nazis included the actual Hitler and steal his plane. Everyone is in love with Anna; Andre (played Tim Matheson), the Professor, and Erhardt. I think I'm in love with her by the end of the movie. She funny, smart and incredible. Mel's his usually hilarious self his favorite thing to play is Highlands from Hamlet he also doesn't know that him saying To Be or Not to Be is the cue for Andre to go back to visit Anna. Frederick doesn't know it and thinks Andre's walking out on his performance which is hilarious "No!!! NO!", Sasha was incredible and representing gays who were also rounded up at the times with everything he does from being also in love with Andre, lets Frederick and Anna stay with him after their house is seizes by the Gestapo, and helps a Jewish elderly woman when she gets scared at seeing a theater full of Nazis. It's also the first thing I think of when it comes to the Shakespear play. There's so many hilarious lines.