S09.E09: The Longest Labor

[zenme]

4 hours ago, tinderbox said:

 

5.  I despise the name Axel.  True, Madison didn't ask my opinion and it's absolutely none of my business but this is the forum for us to say what we feel so...I am.  Axel Brush?  I mean, really????

Yeah, but don't you know, Axel came to her before he was born to tell her his name!

[bamaview]

I think once Meri's obligation to the Sister Wives show is done and the show is cancelled, we will see Meri Move to the B and B, possibly in the garage apartment and just abandon her McMansion. Why would she stay in Vegas ? Husband is now just a neighbor, has no relationship with sister wives and her 2 sources of income are not tied to Vegas, ( the B and B and her Lula Roe stuff). In the episode they showed Maddie working for Meri, but I read somewhere that Maddie and Caleb moved into their own apartment. The aftershow clip on TLC showed them sitting in front of a wall, looked like maybe their living room with a collage of wedding and baby pics. Maddie is now own her own selling the clothing. My next thought is 2 weeks ago we saw the March in Utah, that happened in Feb 2017, Axel was born May 20,2017. Are you telling me there was nothing to film and show for 2 months other than Yasobel's scoliosis? Here is the Link to The B and B. Lizzie's Heritage Inn. https://www.facebook.com/lizziesheritageinn/

[Galloway Cave]

Someone left a 5 star review and they hadn't even stayed at the B&B! Others, as someone noted upstream, just left a 5 star rating but no comment. Good thing a FB page isn't considered a reliable source for recommendations.

[Kohola3]

43 minutes ago, greekmom said:

I wonder how many tripadvisor reviews and yelp reviews have they had?  

Zero on either.  But a bunch of fake reviews on Facebook - people giving it a top rating and then saying they haven't ever stayed there but want to.

Galloway Cave, you beat me to it!

Edited March 13, 2018 by Kohola3
Timing...

[Sasha888]

Meri says in her TH before they head up to Utah to look at her Mormon Tara - "I'm an emotional person, but I'm a very logical person as well."

Ummm...no you're not, Meri. Not buying that. A person looking at things in a logical way would see that 1) Several kids in the family will soon be heading off to college, and that costs money. 2) Ysabel's health problems are quite serious, will likely require surgery, and that costs money as well. 3) If you logically look at all your relationships within the family, you're having problems with EVERYONE. Logic would tell you that if everyone is "against you", maybe YOU are the problem. 4) It's completely logical for the family to have trust issues with you - you were ready to run off with your millionaire and dump them all. 5) You can't heal your relationships with the family members until you OWN UP to what you did, Catfish Lady. It is not logical to want them to forgive you when you have not admitted to ANY guilt at all in that situation - you were just, once again, a "victim". 6) It is not LOGICAL to think that in a family with 4 wives, everyone else should get one house, but you should get to have two.

IMO it's also not logical to think you can buy a second home/B&B in a podunk town and turn a profit...or to think that selling pyramid scheme LuLaRoe crap is a stable income that will help you pay two mortgages.

Simple logic would also tell you that Vicky is not your good friend...with no ulterior motives. She's trying to sell her B&B for the most money possible (which, as a business woman, she should). If you continually go there, bringing different family members on each visit, pointing out all your family history that is in this house, you are not thinking logically. You are showing ALL your cards to Vicky, when you should be putting on your poker face. Vicky has zero motivation to haggle on the price at all, because now she knows you're emotionally attached to this house, you're determined to have it at all costs, and she's going to squeeze you for every last drop of money she can get for the place. Meri's also an idiot for believing Vicky's "I could only sell this house to a very special person" crap. Meri LOVES to be told how special she is, and Vicky is getting to soak her on the price because of it.

Emotional person? Definitely. Logical person? No way.

[Brutus Buckeye]

The Atlantic had an article several years back about the Enoch Foster family, and their cave houses. 

Amazing pictures. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2012/11/polygamists-in-the-rock/100406/

[suomi]

5 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm not sure about that property.  They still owned it back when Mariah was first attending college in Utah.  I recall she and Meri met there for a visit.  It seemed like they were renting it to family or friends at that time. 

And I don't get why Kody keeps saying that Utah can take their real property if they are charged with a felony of committing polygamy.  Maybe, there's some special language in the statute, but, I've never heard of the state taking your land without fair compensation, just because you are convicted of a crime.  There are exceptions, like tax evasion, but, most of the time, a criminal conviction does not require you to forfeit your real property.  Other exceptions include selling drugs out of your home or car. State might be able to attach your home or car in those circumstances.  Maybe, I'm missing something, but, I wonder if he was saying that as an excuse to not buy the B&B. 

The felon thing is a fundie dog whistle. Joseph Smith covered just about all the bases when he founded his church. There's a slogan or saying for any/all pesky questions ("When the Prophet speaks, the thinking has been done") and he included one real important underlying belief: because his church was the living restoration of Jesus' one true church, the degree of disdain and persecution suffered by the Mormons validates their personal testimony and their belief in his church's tenets. The AUB and all of the other fundies believe that what became today's mainstream LDS forfeited its truthiness when it caved on polygamy and so now (the various, competing branches of) the fundies are The One True Church. Kody's habit of announcing his status during random interactions? He's secretly bummed when people (at least appear to) accept him because he doesn't get a credibility fix. "Ooooh, we can't give birth in a hospital." While loving every minute of it because it reinforces their status. Kody Thirsts After being disdained and persecuted and flirting with Felon-hood because of his True Beliefs. Otherwise he's just a loaf with frizzy hair, no work ethic, three or four dumpy wives, four mortgages, and a shitload of kids.

Edited March 13, 2018 by suomi

[Sasha888]

15 minutes ago, suomi said:

The felon thing is a fundie dog whistle. Joseph Smith covered just about all the bases when he founded his church. There's a slogan or saying for any/all pesky questions ("When the Prophet speaks, the thinking has been done") and he included one real important underlying belief: because his church was the living restoration of Jesus' one true church, the degree of disdain and persecution suffered by the Mormons validates their personal testimony and their belief in his church's tenets. The AUB and all of the other fundies believe that what became today's mainstream LDS forfeited its truthiness when it caved on polygamy and so now (the various, competing branches of) the fundies are The One True Church. Kody's habit of announcing his status during random interactions? He's secretly bummed when people (at least appear to) accept him because he doesn't get a credibility fix. "Ooooh, we can't give birth in a hospital." While loving every minute of it because it reinforces their status. Kody Thirsts After being disdained and persecuted and flirting with Felon-hood because of his True Beliefs. Otherwise he's just a loaf with frizzy hair, no work ethic, three or four dumpy wives, four mortgages, and a shitload of kids.

Yep, they all love to talk about how persecuted they are...and yet, during this episode, he says himself that Janelle had THREE home births. And we all know Janelle has 6 children, so apparently 3 of her kids were born in a hospital.

Or the stork brought them, so there was no need for a home birth. ;-P

[Maire]

All those people and no one could clean that bathroom? So gross.

[LilWharveyGal]

"The Longest Labor" could describe the ordeal of watching any of these two hour episodes, amirite?

Previouslies:

The Brown-Brushes had a strip mall ultrasound.

Meri's house plans changed from a B&B to a place for mom.

Meri and Kody had strife at Therapist Nancy's.

The Brown-Brushes are getting out of their pickup at a modest home as Madison informs us that she's about 7 months along.  April, Madison's midwife, answers the door of the home, and she's also got an apprentice named Amy.  Maddie tells us that she's going to do a home delivery with no epidural.  We flashback to Robyn's delivery of Sol as Maddie continues explaining that it's very common for polygamist women to have their babies at home.  On the couch, Christine tells us that plyg women don't want to go to the hospital, and Robyn adds that they can't put the dad on the birth certificate because, "that's evidence against him."  Caleb tells us that in his family hospital births were the norm.  Back at the appointment, the baby's head is down and Maddie explains fetal positioning to us.  Caleb interviews that Maddie has been very much in nesting mode, getting things ready and cleaning.  April brings up a birth kit and birth plan, which segues into Maddie sharing that she's fine seeing people early on in her labor, but once she starts pushing she wants to kick everyone out except Caleb and April.  Furthermore, she wants to have a water birth in the tub because she read that they're good for pain management.  April tells her that running hot water through the tub jets is fine preparation because it's good to introduce some bacteria to the baby.  On the couch again, Robyn informs us that she had a water birth with Aurora.  Meri tells us that her labor was fast.  We flashback to Christine's hospital delivery of Truely, but Christine tells us that she had more freedom during her home births.  Janelle agrees that there's more flexibility at home.  While April explains the timing of contractions to Madison, Caleb voiceovers that if anything seems to be going wrong he'll rush them to the hospital.  

We transition to Meri's kitchen and she tells us that today's the day that she and Kody go look at the Parowan house.  Did you know, boys and girls, that the house used to be in Meri's family?  Nowadays it has a tacky neon "OPEN" sign hanging on the front porch, but it's always been Meri's dream to get it back.  Her hope is that Kody won't be completely negative about the whole thing.  Kody, or "love" as Christine calls him, is presently at Christine's looking for an audiobook.  He gathers up a backpack and a bunch of shirts and kisses Christine goodbye.  Christine tells us that her concern about the B&B is that it's 3 hours away and it will be difficult to form a tighter bond with Meri if she's not home.  Kody says that Nancy has encouraged him to be open minded and curious on this trip.  He walks over to Meri's driveway and informs her that he brought a book to listen to on the way in case they get bored.  Meri counters that this should be a time to have conversation.  Kody interviews that he needs the encouragement to be open minded because Meri hasn't sold the idea to him yet, and that she's come to him with a problem rather than a solution.  Kody goes to say good-bye to Janelle and Robyn as Meri tells us that her relationship with Kody has been strained for quite some time.  At Janelle's (where there's an orange accent wall and a Native American headdress on display!?!) Kody kisses her goodbye and also bids farewell to Madison's stomach.  Outside Robyn's, he kisses baby Ari.  Meri wishes the family understood that she does have logic in her head regarding the house; she knows she can't buy it if she doesn't have the means to pay for it.  The unhappy couple hit the road and Kody tells us that heading into Utah is very nerve-wracking.  We flashback to the march, and when the action resumes the SUV is parked and Kody has received a text from a reporter from the Salt Lake Tribune informing him that the bill that they were protesting has been signed into law.  I could swear Meri's response is, "Yeah, that's what Sam said this morning," but I doubt she'd want anything to do with anyone named Sam again, ever.  Kody is calling the reporter because he was asked to make a comment.  Reporter Nate asks if the new law will discourage people from entering into plural marriage.  Meri answers that polygamists will follow the laws of God rather than the laws of man, and Kody adds that the law will just drive people into secrecy.  Kody lets slip to Nate that he and Meri purport to be husband and wife, but they do not cohabitate.  Meri interviews that that statement was too personal to spill to a reporter.  After the call ends, she asks Kody why he had to say that.  His response is that they're working on their relationship from a safe place and that cohabitating might screw it up.

We pull into Parowan, the "Mother Town of Southern Utah," whatever that means.  As they park, Kody is already stressed out and says that the house is only about Meri's family heritage and that none of the rest of the Browns want it.  Bonnie has also arrived at the B&B.  Meri tells us that the big responsibility of either running a business or paying a house payment is scary to her.  Vickie exuberantly greets everyone.  Meri shows Kody the pictures of her ancestors on the piano.  Kody tells Vickie that early Mormon polygamy is very different from "his" polygamy.  We see a photo of ye olde polygamy prisoners as Kody waxes on about governmental punishment through the ages.  Vickie tells the group that her B&B room theme is Gone With The Wind.  Meri wastes no time informing us that she will not keep that theme.  As they tour, Meri explains to Kody how the polygamist husband used the many doors in the house to access the wives' spaces.  He believes this shows that the women were in control.  The group continues up the narrow staircase into a room with a tiny bathroom.  Kody interviews that the house feels teeny.  He demonstrates walking through a pretty low doorway.  By this point Vickie has made a couple overly-snarky comments in response to legitimate concerns and I was just thinking she should dial it down a bit, but Kody says that Vickie is a huge draw to the B&B and he hates to lose her, "charm."  Wow, if you say so, bud.  Besides, Meri says, they'd be gaining Meri's charm.  Yikes.  The group heads outside to see a storage shed that could be converted into an apartment.  Kody takes the opportunity to tell Vickie that he and Meri can't legally cohabitate in Utah.  Vickie says that she loves the house and only wants to pass it on to the right person.  They all sit down on the patio to discuss finances.  Meri opens with the concern about doing business in Utah under the new law.  Vickie thinks that the main prejudice against polygamists is focused at the FLDS, i.e. Warren Jeffs.  She goes inside to give the family time to discuss on their own.

Meri is still talking about the giddiness, excitement, peace, etc., that she fills whenever she sees or thinks of the house.  Kody says he feels possessed by its magic.  Uh, maybe that was actually the ghost?  He continues that he doesn't want to live here, but that, "having this place matters."  Unfortunately, he is upset by the idea of Utah confiscating his property.  Flashback to the Lehi house.  Kody asks Bonnie if she wants to live at the B&B, and she says yes.  Kody says that the purchase would be the biggest investment the family has ever made, and he's still concerned that Meri and Bonnie are acting on emotion.  For the bajillionth time, Meri says that her first priority is just to get the home and her second is to have her mom live there, but she also knows that it needs to be run as a business and Bonnie could not do that or even have a housemate who handled that side of things.  Kody interviews that Meri lives in a very large house by herself, and is now telling her mother that she can also live alone in a very large house.  He wonders why the "disconnect" of this isn't obvious to them.  They go inside to talk again with Vickie and Kody admits that they don't have the assets to buy the place.  He's actually smitten by the house, but tells us that his response to Meri is going to be that she has to find the way to make it work.  Sniffling, Meri tells us that she's so glad Kody came.

We're back in the cult-de-sac and Caleb tells us that he's coming home from work because Maddie texted him to say she's in labor.  She's sitting on a yoga ball in Janelle's living room.  It's 9:30 pm and she's been having regular contractions since 3.  Kody apparently thinks it would be helpful to her to count up the number of home births his wives have had.  Christine, who is wearing a Strive With Janelle shirt, appears to be timing the contractions and says that today is the lowest she's seen Axel positioned.  Caleb expresses his confusion about seeing Maddie just sitting on the ball and smiling when he thought she was in labor.  Maddie tells everyone that April predicted a short labor.  Caleb continues that he believes the family when they say Maddie will deliver tonight because of all their birth experiences.  The Browns now explain contractions to us, which Kody pantomimes as being like a charley horse.  Back in the living room, Caleb gets Amy on the phone.  After hearing what's going on, Amy recommends that Maddie just get some sleep.  Kody predicts that the baby will be born at 2 am.  Caleb and Maddie head upstairs to get some rest and re-emerge downstairs at 6:30.  She, "labored all night," and but slept until 4:30 and the contractions are just starting to be painful.  She and Caleb go out for coffee and breakfast.  

At 9:15 am, Maddie's back home as April arrives.  She says that it's not uncommon for first time moms to take a 24 hour break in labor.  After an exam, Maddie announces to the family that she's 3 cm dilated and 80% effaced, so it's still early labor.  At 1:45, she and Caleb are taking a walk.  She goes to Christine's to ask for soup.  Christine tells us that Axel is going to call Christine Oma, the German word for grandma.  She doesn't feel like she's old enough to be a grandma, but she's incredibly excited about it.  On the couch, she asks the other wives what they'll be called.  Janelle will just go with however Axel pronounces grandma.  Robyn wants Bubbe.  Meri thinks they shouldn't be deciding this, but that Janelle should definitely be grandma.  Back in the cult-de-sac, Robyn comes outside to greet Maddie, who now has soup cans in hand.  Robyn tells us that she has an intense need to be there for Maddie, but that people can make things better or worse, so she's treading lightly.  Janelle is glad to see Robyn so involved, and says that she doesn't know what her own response would be if it was one of the other wives' daughters going through this.  Maddie grimaces as a contraction hits, and Robyn suggests that she squat.  At 9 am the next morning we're at hour 36 of labor.  Maddie got a decent night's sleep and plans to go to work...which entails walking over to Meri's to help with the "online clothing business."  Meri reminds us that she's an, "independent social retailer," and she's been so busy that she needs an assistant.  Maddie helps with the inventory and shipping.  Meri tells us that she loved being pregnant and wishes she had been pregnant more times.  As they sort some garish clothes that presumably only circus clowns would buy, Meri gets the story on Madison's contractions and labor so far.

Speaking of Meri, what's an episode of Sister Wives without Big Secret Announcement time?  She needs to tell the other wives how the Parowan trip went, but first she wants to know Kody's decision.  She thinks it's crazy how positive he became, and in fact when the other wives arrive he tells them that he thought it was, "magical."  Janelle and Christine are astonished.  Meri informs everyone that Bonnie is now ok with the idea of other people being in the house, though she still doesn't want to run the B&B and hasn't decided which room she wants. They'll, "wing it."  Kody cuts in to say no, they won't.  He says that Bonnie has to be invested in the property and be part owner with Meri.  He also thinks that they'll be in good shape if the B&B hosts 6 weddings there a year at $5000 for the whole house for a 3-day weekend.  The house can't take money away from their college and retirement funds.  Kody also announces that he won't go to Utah, so Meri will have to be the one to travel there and deal with the business.  He describes the house as being like a new puppy that everyone swears they'll take care of.  "I don't want the puppy!" interrupts Robyn.  She interviews that she has little kids at home and her own business and doesn't want to put her own energy into the house.  Christine wants to make sure the business plan is valid.  Kody reiterates that the family won't be involved; "covering the nut" will rely totally on Meri and he doesn't want her plan to take the entire family's finances down.  Janelle and Robyn are supportive but want to see a more definitive plan.  Christine is not yet on board because she doesn't want to see Meri shackled down to a huge albatross that she'd regret.  Meri doesn't care that she doesn't have Christine's support and will not make her decision based on what everyone thinks.  If they don't like her dream, sorrynotsorry.

We're back to Janelle's where it's 8:14 am and hour 58 of labor.  Grandma Sheryl's working in the kitchen as Maddie tells us that April is coming over to possibly strip her membranes.  She's only at 5 cm and the contractions are no longer consistent.  Both she and Caleb are impatient to have the baby arrive.  April strips the membranes, and at 3:05 Maddie lays down in a lot of pain.  Janelle tells her to call the midwife back.  Where's Sister Evangelina when you need her?  Caleb wants to stay there in the room, stay calm, and be a rock for Maddie.  He calls Amy, who will arrive in an hour.  As they all head downstairs to the tub, Janelle says that she hasn't seen women get this emotional until it's just about time to deliver.  Kody asks how things are going, and Maddie miserably says she has no idea.  They fill the tub and Janelle prepares to call Christine.  Janelle interviews that she has never thought twice about the relationship Maddie has with Christine...but apparently she has, because she says her children all have a strong bond with Christine.  Christine is very excited that she is being asked to be present, and sounds teary as she enters the bathroom.  She tells us that Maddie looks so tired but has held herself together so well.  Christine then greets Amy and fills her in on the contractions as they head to the bathroom.  Amy asks for a bowl of ice water and a washcloth.  (If this house was Gone With The Wind themed, she'd also need a knife to put under the bed.)  Janelle tells us that although Amy is an assistant she's been at a lot of births.  Maddie walks back into the living room and informs everyone that she's at a 6.  Kody asks her to relax her face.  Maddie is in the middle of a contraction and doesn't want to hear it.  Kody, the father of 18, tells us that he's just now realizing how dangerous childbirth can be.  Maddie tells Amy that she's noticing blood and tissue when she uses the bathroom, but Amy assures her that's fine.

It's 5:15 pm, and Garrison and Robyn show up at Janelle's where Madison is now laying on the couch with a heating pad.  Meri darkens the door.  She says that she hasn't seen Maddie since work yesterday.  Everybody is just hanging out and waiting.  At 6:15, Maddie's back in the tub and Christine asks Kody to go get folding chairs for the spectators.  Caleb interviews that it's weird for him to have a crowd of people looking at his wife in the tub because they had the expectation of being alone with the midwife.  Breanna, who has a brace on her knee, asks Robyn and Christine what a contraction is like.  Christine's attention is diverted when Maddie apparently pukes.  Robyn and Sheryl whisper and point at Maddie while she rocks on all fours.  It's 6:50 and we're now in the hallway just listening to audio as Christine and Robyn utter supportive phrases and Maddie cries.  Kody has his sleeves rolled up as he goes to let April in the front door.  Janelle steps into the hallway to let the director know that everything's ok and Maddie has hit transition, and that Maddie had requested that the cameras leave.

At 8:01, Maddie is back in bed.  Janelle notes that it's been so long and Maddie looks so haggard.  Meri is leaving to get Mariah and Audrey at the airport.  At 9:42 Maddie is in the tub again.  At 10:14 Caleb dishes up some Chinese food and tells us that things aren't really progressing.  Madison groans in the bathroom, and a friend hurries to get Caleb.  Christine says that the water birth actually appears to be slowing Maddie down.  At 10:29, we get a peek into the bathroom before Maddie looks up, sees the camera, and says the filming is done.  They move back to the bed and Janelle describes the scene with Caleb and Kody present.  We also hear Christine's voice as Maddie groans.  Meri, Mariah, and Audrey let themselves in the front door and look around the apparently vacant living room.  "They're probably back having a baby," says Meri.  She whispers that they should just go.  Meri interviews that she's always kept her distance.  At 11:20 Christine tells us that Maddie's been pushing for 3.5 hours.  Janelle says they can see the baby.  The younger girls have been excused from the room and are listening at the door.  We hear the wives ooh and aah as the delivery really starts going.  Kody warns Caleb that the baby is very slippery.  Then cheers as the shoulders appear and the baby is finally born.  Savanah and Breanna jump up outside the door.  The camera is allowed back in to see the new baby who is all cleaned up.  Janelle thinks he's the most beautiful thing she's ever seen.  Axel is held by various family members and we learn that he's 8 lbs. 8 oz.  Kody tells us he was honored to be present.  Maddie voices her hope that she and Caleb will be good parents.  Janelle can't seem to believe that she's a grandma now.

Ok, kids, that was rough so let's close the books and have a pop quiz.  

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

A) Toilet paper, a toothbrush, and towels.

B) Gift bows, car fresheners, and folding chairs.

C) Four calling birds, three french hens, and two turtle doves.

D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

Next week:  Everybody seems disgusted with with Meri, especially me because it looks like she traveled to my city.

[Gothish520]

1 hour ago, Sasha888 said:

Meri says in her TH before they head up to Utah to look at her Mormon Tara - "I'm an emotional person, but I'm a very logical person as well."

Ummm...no you're not, Meri. Not buying that. A person looking at things in a logical way would see that 1) Several kids in the family will soon be heading off to college, and that costs money. 2) Ysabel's health problems are quite serious, will likely require surgery, and that costs money as well. 3) If you logically look at all your relationships within the family, you're having problems with EVERYONE. Logic would tell you that if everyone is "against you", maybe YOU are the problem. 4) It's completely logical for the family to have trust issues with you - you were ready to run off with your millionaire and dump them all. 5) You can't heal your relationships with the family members until you OWN UP to what you did, Catfish Lady. It is not logical to want them to forgive you when you have not admitted to ANY guilt at all in that situation - you were just, once again, a "victim". 6) It is not LOGICAL to think that in a family with 4 wives, everyone else should get one house, but you should get to have two.

IMO it's also not logical to think you can buy a second home/B&B in a podunk town and turn a profit...or to think that selling pyramid scheme LuLaRoe crap is a stable income that will help you pay two mortgages.

Simple logic would also tell you that Vicky is not your good friend...with no ulterior motives. She's trying to sell her B&B for the most money possible (which, as a business woman, she should). If you continually go there, bringing different family members on each visit, pointing out all your family history that is in this house, you are not thinking logically. You are showing ALL your cards to Vicky, when you should be putting on your poker face. Vicky has zero motivation to haggle on the price at all, because now she knows you're emotionally attached to this house, you're determined to have it at all costs, and she's going to squeeze you for every last drop of money she can get for the place. Meri's also an idiot for believing Vicky's "I could only sell this house to a very special person" crap. Meri LOVES to be told how special she is, and Vicky is getting to soak her on the price because of it.

Emotional person? Definitely. Logical person? No way.

Well-said!

[Gothish520]

12 minutes ago, LilWharveyGal said:

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

A) Toilet paper, a toothbrush, and towels.

B) Gift bows, car fresheners, and folding chairs.

C) Four calling birds, three french hens, and two turtle doves.

D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

Next week:  Everybody seems disgusted with with Meri, especially me because it looks like she traveled to my city.

Laughing my arse off! Also, "Meri darkens the door", ha!

[DakotaJustice]

5 hours ago, zoomama said:

what the heck is a cave house?

Rockland Ranch.  I've read that there are scorpions and other critters that abound inside the homes.  https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2012/11/polygamists-in-the-rock/100406/

[Alapaki]

It was pretty disturbing to hear Kody, who at that point was most likely situated directly in front of his own daughter's bare vagina, yelling "oh YEAH!, oh YEAH!".  

And all joking aside, Caleb should really keep the baseball cap on.  

[DakotaJustice]

4 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

The trouble with Meri's B&B is that once guests leave, they'd never return.  I'd be annoyed at that little narrow staircase.  and the low beams in the doorway...just all kinds of uninviting.  Those are the things that would make the place NOT well suited for a B&B.  Makes me wonder if the B&B was even real.  Sounds like a way to inflate the price of the place.  

I guess it was real. I just saw its listing as Victoria's B&B. I guess I'm wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/Victorias-Bed-and-Breakfast-125108727555761/

Meri would be wise to stock up on "Lizzie's Heritage Inn"-branded merch such as T-shirts, mugs, bumper stickers etc for the fans who will "just swing by to see what the place looks like" but not actually stay because they're on their way to Vegas or SLC.

[zenme]

I am a bit of a prude, I'll admit it, but count me in as someone who would not birth my baby in front of my dad.  My dad would like to believe my husband and I sleep Lucy Ricardo style--in a couple of twin beds, and that I've only had sex twice, and that was for the sake of reproducing. He definitely would not be down for watching me pushing my baby out, nor would he want to see me on all fours in a two piece bathing suit in a tub with my hubby.   Nor would my brother, for that matter. I'm just old school, I guess.  

Meri knows damn well she could have knocked on Janelle's bedroom door. Seriously? The other wives would have. She's just jealous, and I think she's hateful. She's just trying to cloak it in "respecting Maddie's wishes." Hateful, selfish woman Meri is!

Edited March 13, 2018 by zenme

[Sasha888]

15 minutes ago, DakotaJustice said:

Meri would be wise to stock up on "Lizzie's Heritage Inn"-branded merch such as T-shirts, mugs, bumper stickers etc for the fans who will "just swing by to see what the place looks like" but not actually stay because they're on their way to Vegas or SLC.

After Meri stated she was definitely ditching Vickie's "Gone with the Wind" theme, she & Kody jokingly talked about it having 4 rooms and the rooms could be called Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn, then laughed about what a terrible idea that would be.

Since this place is in sort of a middle-of-nowhere kind of town, it might be a better idea than they think! I could see some of their crazed sycophants  "fans" getting all giddy about deciding whether to stay in the Christine Room or the Robyn Room (pardon me while I gag).

Of course for this theme to work, they'd need to put a functioning wet bar in the Meri Room...

The Sister Wives Inn, folks! Come stay in one of our beautiful wife-named rooms, enjoy some mock tapioca pudding, and make passive aggressive comments towards the guests staying in the other 3 rooms.

[Sasha888]

47 minutes ago, Gothish520 said:

1 hour ago, LilWharveyGal said:

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

A) Toilet paper, a toothbrush, and towels.

B) Gift bows, car fresheners, and folding chairs.

C) Four calling birds, three french hens, and two turtle doves.

D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

Next week:  Everybody seems disgusted with with Meri, especially me because it looks like she traveled to my city.

Laughing my arse off! Also, "Meri darkens the door", ha!

Me too! Oh and I would answer the question with D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

Or is this one of those trick questions where the real answer is E) All of the above?

ETA: Also loved the Gone with the Wind reference...get that knife under the bed, it cuts the pain in two! Ha ha ha!

Edited March 13, 2018 by Sasha888
Added another thought

[Tabbygirl521]

Yeah, I forgot about Seattle in the teaser for next week! My city, too. How did I miss them?? LOL. But seriously. How did I?

[LisaWl7TR]

6 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

After Meri stated she was definitely ditching Vickie's "Gone with the Wind" theme, she & Kody jokingly talked about it having 4 rooms and the rooms could be called Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn, then laughed about what a terrible idea that would be.

Since this place is in sort of a middle-of-nowhere kind of town, it might be a better idea than they think! I could see some of their crazed sycophants  "fans" getting all giddy about deciding whether to stay in the Christine Room or the Robyn Room (pardon me while I gag).

Of course for this theme to work, they'd need to put a functioning wet bar in the Meri Room...

The Sister Wives Inn, folks! Come stay in one of our beautiful wife-named rooms, enjoy some mock tapioca pudding, and make passive aggressive comments towards the guests staying in the other 3 rooms.

The Meri room would have twin beds. No sleeping together in that room.

[DakotaJustice]

4 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Yeah, I forgot about Seattle in the teaser for next week! My city, too. How did I miss them?? LOL. But seriously. How did I?

I missed them when they came to San Francisco too. 

[VedaPierce]

17 hours ago, ghoulina said:

It's hard to forgive and move on when said person won't accept responsibility. To this day, Meri still acts like she was some naive twit who fell prey to the evil machinations of some internet genius. Yea, she was duped. But she was a whole lot more involved than she ever lets on. If she can't own it, I wouldn't have any interest in trying to get close to her again. 

This. My sympathy for Meri ran out 2 seasons ago. And she talks a lot about working on the relationships, but I don't see her really doing any of the working. I think she expects everyone else to do the actual working. 

[SunnyBeBe]

You know, if I were visiting in that part of Utah, I might consider staying at the B&B just out of crazy asp curiosity.  I mean......it might be really fun, like some above have described.  You could play drinking games even.  I wonder if they allow alcohol inside. I've always been curious about the state of Utah.  The majority of citizens are Mormon, so, do most restaurants serve alcohol?  Is it sold in most grocery stores?  If it's against most people's religion there, so is it still sold routinely?  I've always wondered about that.

Meri and the B&B  could create cardboard, life size cutouts of Kody and the wives and place them on the porch, so, guests can pose with them for pictures as souvenirs. And sell t-shirts that say, "I stayed at the Brown B&B and the best thing about it was this shirt."  lol I mean......sometimes you gotta make chicken salad out of......

[Kohola3]

9 hours ago, LilWharveyGal said:

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

 

You forgot the dog biscuits.

Least likely:  cleaning products.

Brilliant recap, as always.

40 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

If it's against most people's religion there, so is it still sold routinely? 

Oh, I think so.  It's probably the only way non-Mormons can stand to live there.

 

41 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Meri and the B&B  could create cardboard, life size cutouts of Kody and the wives and place them on the porch, so, guests can pose with them for pictures as souvenirs

Or those wooden kind with the hole for a face.  You, too, can sport a caveman hairdo!

[SunnyBeBe]

Oh yeah....if they aren't afraid to make fun of themselves, they might actually be able to make some money on that place.  Of course, you have to consider that unstable people might drop by too. Security might be a concern. 

[Kohola3]

1 minute ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Of course, you have to consider that unstable people might drop by too.

Certainly a possibility but since Parowan is in the middle of nowhere that might thin the herd a bit.

[Kyanight]

9 hours ago, LilWharveyGal said:

Ok, kids, that was rough so let's close the books and have a pop quiz.  

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

A) Toilet paper, a toothbrush, and towels.

B) Gift bows, car fresheners, and folding chairs.

C) Four calling birds, three french hens, and two turtle doves.

D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

OOOOO OOOOOO What did I win????????

17 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Oh yeah....if they aren't afraid to make fun of themselves, they might actually be able to make some money on that place.  Of course, you have to consider that unstable people might drop by too. Security might be a concern. 

Wonder if Jackie might swing by for a visit.  She's as unstable as they come, lol.

[VedaPierce]

18 hours ago, laurakaye said:

And they paid for it by Meri's mom selling her house?  That's a lot of money.  If there's a mortgage, who is paying it?

If the mortgage is around 375k and the house was around 450k, she probably put down 100k. Her mom could have payed that after her sale and Meri could have refinanced her AZ home to cover the mortgage every month, which is around 1,500, ballpark. Also, mortgage payments to the bank don't kick in for around 3 months so that buys her some time to get some inn guests lined up. No matter what she's struggling to stay afloat. But if she refinanced her existing AZ house, that's a shady way of getting the fambly to pay the inn mortgage since they all are, presumably, on the hook for the az properties.  

[DakotaJustice]

13 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

If the mortgage is around 375k and the house was around 450k, she probably put down 100k. Her mom could have payed that after her sale and Meri could have refinanced her AZ home to cover the mortgage every month, which is around 1,500, ballpark. Also, mortgage payments to the bank don't kick in for around 3 months so that buys her some time to get some inn guests lined up. No matter what she's struggling to stay afloat. But if she refinanced her existing AZ house, that's a shady way of getting the fambly to pay the inn mortgage since they all are, presumably, on the hook for the az properties.  

The mortgage company is Stearns Lending, not a bank. They specialize in risky mortgages and she could have put down as little as 3.5%. 

Shades of 2007-08.

Plus, the property records show she purchased the place with a "Second Home Rider" that states she will be the only one living there and it's not to be used for business. Hmmmmmm.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html#ampshare=http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html

Edited March 13, 2018 by DakotaJustice

[laurakaye]

10 hours ago, LilWharveyGal said:

At 8:01, Maddie is back in bed.  Janelle notes that it's been so long and Maddie looks so haggard...............

Good grief, reading about Maddie's labor left me exhausted.  I haven't seen it yet but seriously - folding chairs in the bathroom?  Um.  What?!

 

10 hours ago, LilWharveyGal said:

Ok, kids, that was rough so let's close the books and have a pop quiz.  

Question:  What items are you most likely to find in Janelle Brown's bathroom?

A) Toilet paper, a toothbrush, and towels.

B) Gift bows, car fresheners, and folding chairs.

C) Four calling birds, three french hens, and two turtle doves.

D) Literally anything under the sun except for Meri Brown.

Next week:  Everybody seems disgusted with with Meri, especially me because it looks like she traveled to my city.

I'm going with the most obvious answer.

 

My favorite part of this episdoe was when Meri said that she's not going to let the others' opinions sway her decision to buy this house because it's her dream and na-na-na-na-boo-boo.  So.........?  She needs them on board for money but she's going to do it whether they agree or not?  How does that work?  Does she even listen to herself?

And the B&B is going to be Bonnie's house.  But Bonnie won't run a B&B.  But in order to buy it, it has to be run as a B&B.  But Bonnie won't live with some stranger who might be willing to run it that way.  But Bonnie wants to live there.  So Meri is going to make that happen.  With money from her family.  But she doesn't care if they are on board or not.

It's so ridiculously funny, it's almost come full circle from funny to sad to crazy and back to funny again.

[beeziebee]

18 hours ago, DakotaJustice said:

20 hours ago, Kyanight said:

I'm with you on having sympathy for Meri.  But I don't believe for a minute that she desperately loves Kody.  I think she is over him.

I like them both.

I think Meri misses sex and wants to get laid. And despite Kody pontificating about how they won't cohabitate during the road trip she was hoping to change his mind. 

Well there you go.  Meri can have a cuddle sac visit from one of the boys from Gigolos.  They're all in Vegas, aren't they?  It's legal.  She won't be a felon.  And she can get her freak on.  The ultimate Showtime/TLC cross over!

[LilWharveyGal]

1 hour ago, Kohola3 said:

You forgot the dog biscuits.

And I was so disappointed, too, because I was looking for them specifically and never was able to spot them.  But the surfaces in there were like Where's Waldo - just waaaay too much going on.

1 hour ago, Kyanight said:

OOOOO OOOOOO What did I win????????

Congratulations!  (and @Sasha888) Please present your winning posts to Christine's to claim your complimentary cans of soup!

[tabloidlover]

9 minutes ago, DakotaJustice said:

The mortgage company is Stearns Lending, not a bank. They specialize in risky mortgages and she could have put down as little as 3.5%. 

Shades of 2007-08.

Plus, the property records show she purchased the place with a "Second Home Rider" that states she will be the only one living there and it's not to be used for business. Hmmmmmm.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html#ampshare=http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html

This just gets more absurd by the day.   She is advertising it as a B & B and is hoping no one from Stearns Lending will find out?   She truly sees herself as a super special snowflake, doesn't she?

[SunnyBeBe]

5 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

This just gets more absurd by the day.   She is advertising it as a B & B and is hoping no one from Stearns Lending will find out?   She truly sees herself as a super special snowflake, doesn't she?

This is really bizarre.  But, it's all in her name, so, I suppose that she'll just have to deal with it.  

 

 

Spoiler

https://lizziesheritageinn.com/

Edited March 13, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[ShaNaeNae]

On 3/11/2018 at 9:00 PM, Chicklet said:

I'd slit my throat rather than have my father and all his women watching me give birth. Who wants that?

No joke.  When I had my oldest almost 20 years ago, my dad was standing outside the door.  With doctors and nurses going in and out, I was paranoid my dad would see me all spread eagle.  I kept yelling at him to face the other way so no peekage would occur.  

[Normades]

17 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

This just gets more absurd by the day.   She is advertising it as a B & B and is hoping no one from Stearns Lending will find out?   She truly sees herself as a super special snowflake, doesn't she?

I skimmed the article, but why would Stearns have a problem with this being a B&B?  Would she have had to get a business loan for everything to be above board?  Sorry, if this is a dumb question, but I don't understand.  I would think lots of B&B's would be financed as homes since most owners live on site.  I would assume she had to get some kind of licensing to operate the business.  What could the lender do if she really is not supposed to be running it as a B&B?

[DakotaJustice]

1 minute ago, Normades said:

I skimmed the article, but why would Stearns have a problem with this being a B&B?  Would she have had to get a business loan for everything to be above board?  Sorry, if this is a dumb question, but I don't understand.  I would think lots of B&B's would be financed as homes since most owners live on site.  I would assume she had to get some kind of licensing to operate the business.  What could the lender do if she really is not supposed to be running it as a B&B?

I have no idea. I heard about this on the RealiTV podcast recap and did some digging. Here's another part of that Second Home Rider right above Meri's signature. 

[spacefly]

13 hours ago, greekmom said:

I wonder how many tripadvisor reviews and yelp reviews have they had?

Parwoan has a TripAdvisor forum and 4 Destination Experts (DEs) but no posts in the forum. and the B&B is not listed. Not that it means anything but probably not much traffic yet. Weird to have that many DEs without any forums. I am a DE for a very busy destination and I think we have 6 or 7 for the entire state.

[VedaPierce]

59 minutes ago, DakotaJustice said:

The mortgage company is Stearns Lending, not a bank. They specialize in risky mortgages and she could have put down as little as 3.5%. 

Shades of 2007-08.

Plus, the property records show she purchased the place with a "Second Home Rider" that states she will be the only one living there and it's not to be used for business. Hmmmmmm.

 

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html#ampshare=http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nonbank-lenders-20151130-story.html

 

Yeah, she probably did put the smallest amount down possible. The 'not for business' part of the deal doesn't stop her from renting it out how she sees fit. It's only there for the bank. Basically, the interest rate for a business is higher than the interest rate for a second home. So they're all calling it a second home and not a business. She can still use it as an inn and write off everything she can get her hands on-including gas, wear and tear on car to get there, repairs, furnishings, etc etc...she actually should have presented it as such to the other wives and kody. A rental property is a great tax shelter, and those grifters could have grifted the hell out of it.  

27 minutes ago, Normades said:

I skimmed the article, but why would Stearns have a problem with this being a B&B?  Would she have had to get a business loan for everything to be above board?  Sorry, if this is a dumb question, but I don't understand.  I would think lots of B&B's would be financed as homes since most owners live on site.  I would assume she had to get some kind of licensing to operate the business.  What could the lender do if she really is not supposed to be running it as a B&B?

They don't have a problem calling it a B&B, they're just calling it a second home to get a better interest rate on the loan. Interest much higher on a business loan. She doesn't need licensing to call it a B&B. Just go on VRBO.com. There are thousands of properties for rent out there, nobody getting any licenses for any of them.

48 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

This just gets more absurd by the day.   She is advertising it as a B & B and is hoping no one from Stearns Lending will find out?   She truly sees herself as a super special snowflake, doesn't she?

Stearns Lending doesn't care what she does with the property, it's just the way they all (Meri, bank, mortgage broker) structured the loan.  But yes, she sees herself as a super special snowflake, loan or no loan. 

Edited March 13, 2018 by VedaPierce

[DakotaJustice]

I'm aware that most of the stuff said on the show is complete bullshit, but IMO Meri is not interested in running a B&B at all, neither is her mom. She's just going through the motions, same as Robyn

[AmandaUnbidden]

On 3/11/2018 at 7:41 PM, Galloway Cave said:

Until recently, Kody, Meri and Janelle owned the Lehi house. All three were on the title. None of them were concerned about big, bad Utah while owning that house. Now they live in Nevada and Kody is bursting blood vessels over owning the B&B. And one more time for the cheap seats, they aren't felons unless they are arrested, convicted and sentenced at the felony level. There is also no guarantee that the property would be seized, either, whether they were residents of Utah or Nevada.

But from what I understand, UT just passed a new stricter law that really hones in on religious polygamy and has worse consequences like being charged with a felony. So I think that's why he would be even more worried about owning property there than before. I think that's why we're seeing more of an uproar over the law and polygamy families moving out of state that weren't too worried about the previous laws against them. I could be wrong though but that's just how I am understanding it.

[Absolom]

Ratings:  1.493 M viewers and a .37 rating.

[islandgal140]

Forgive my bluntness but I need to say this. Meri just wants Kody dick. End. of. story. I feel like Meri is just like the house situation where Meri said if she and her mom could get away with just buying/living in the house without having to run it as a B&B she would. That is where Meri's mind is at. She wants get away with being put back into regular wifely rotation without having to atone or answer for her prior actions and no sister wife obligations. She ain't trying to watch or raise no sister wife kids, help clean no one's house, have extra people stay in that big empty house of hers. None of that.  She just wants Kody to throw a little D her way now and again. She is the new Christine (former lowest wife on the totem pole, now seeming a strong #2 fave) with an Eeyore personality and little to no ray of hope of it getting any better. 

On 3/12/2018 at 3:01 PM, Gothish520 said:

I agree that Meri is still trying to win Kody's love and attention. 

If Meri would just stop playing the victim and OWN UP to her mistakes, I think that would go a long way towards repairing her relationships with the family. Maybe she has and we haven't seen it, but I can only go by what we've been shown and told. Just come right out and say to Janelle "I'm sorry I was such a raging bytch to you in the beginning of our relationship. I was young and stupid and had no idea how to act as a first wife." "Kody, I am hurt and lonely. The divorce was extremely painful for me. I looked for love and validation somewhere else, and that was wrong. I'm embarassed and ashamed, but I still love you and want to rebuild our life together, and our life with the family."

I could go on and on. But Kody and the others also have to be honest as well.

 Never gonna happen. I think Meri is physically incapable of ever owning up to her culpability in the catfishing situation. It is just not in her DNA.  With all the physical evidence on the world wide web showing how into "Sam" she really was (actual voicemails, texts, emails, suggestive photos, trips), Meri is still out here claiming that they all were either outright doctored or forgeries and those that she can't claim are fakes she claims she was blackmailed into doing because she was being stalked by "Sam" who threatened to hurt the family. In her mind, they should see her as part victim/part hero. 

But even if she could own up to it, Meri would have to do a lot of things she shows no inclination of wanting to do - actually live and embrace all the so called benefits of having and being a sister wife. This latest episode was a prime example. When she went over to Janelle's the 1st time, Meri actually said 'she didn't want to overstay her welcome' and left. Overstay her welcome? She isn't a family friend or next door neighbor. According to the tenets they swear by, she is just as much a mom to Madison as Janelle. Hell, Robyn and Christine didn't get an invitation. They invited themselves over and literally pulled up a fold out chair to watch like it was the latest Marvel movie.  Meri acts like she needs an engraved invitation or the red carpet rolled out. It isn't the other wives jobs to make her feel included. She needs to include herself and make herself useful in the process.  She did wrong. Not them. She has been pulling away from the family for years. Not them. She needs to prove herself, but frankly, I don't think she believes it is worth it because it is unlikely to lead to getting the D from Kody so in her mind why bother?

Edited March 13, 2018 by islandgal140

[AmandaUnbidden]

On 3/11/2018 at 8:38 PM, b2H said:

65 hours of labor?  An Apprentice Midwife for a first birth?  No, no, no, no.  This kid needs to be in a hospital.  65 hours and only six cm is ridiculous.  Just nuts.  I hope this goes ok, because it is not a good thing.

I agree 100%. I was thinking back to what Maddie said about people in the US having the wrong idea about home birth or something like that. I agree with her partially but there is a reason most women have their babies in a hospital here in the US. I believe in some countries it is the norm to have the baby at home so much so that they have real certified midwives that accompany them and make sure everything goes smoothly or get the women to a hospital in plenty of time if something goes amiss. 

The problem with home births in the US is that they're not the norm. It's kind of a new trend I think, and many women like Maddie don't know what credentials to look for to make sure they are getting a fully qualified midwife that will be able to handle the birth safely. Not to mention, I don't know if the midwife thing is fully regulated everywhere in the US like it is in other countries ensuring that every midwife is fully qualified like doctors are.

I also think Maddie was very naive going into this home birth, and I blame this whole recent home birth trend combined with young uneducated new mothers to be that do not fully understand the dangers that can happen during birth. And it doesn't seem like the midwife she used knew what she was doing because it seems insane to allow her to be in labor that long without thinking something is amiss. 

Oh and it really annoys me when women, especially really young, really uneducated women like our Maddie, laugh at women that prefer a hospital birth as though we are being ridiculous. I mean don't you know? Women have been having a babies since the beginning of time and we're all still here, except for those who aren't. Except for the countless women and babies lost in childbirth due to lack of medical knowledge, technology, etc. Maddie is lucky in her case that a long, painful labor is all that she endured. 

[AZChristian]

12 hours ago, LilWharveyGal said:

The house can't take money away from their college and retirement funds. 

Well, if we use "Meri-logic," she should have the money because if she had had the houseful of kids she wanted, the cost of all their college educations would have been more than the cost of the B&B.  Right?

As far as "retirement funds."  FROM WHERE?  You either have to have a job, or you have to save it out of your own excess funds.  There are NO excess funds with this bunch.  Earn $10, spend $15.  Waiting for the next bankruptcy.

[Granny58]

15 minutes ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

Women have been having a babies since the beginning of time

not quite, it's been "thousands of years."  So...maybe 5000?

[Kyanight]

6 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

not quite, it's been "thousands of years."  So...maybe 5000?

5000 years?  "Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa. Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans."  So we can assume they have been having babies for at least a million years, not 5000.

Edited March 13, 2018 by Kyanight

[Higgins]

More like 30- 100,000 years for modern humans...

Edited March 13, 2018 by Higgins

[AmandaUnbidden]

Sorry, I'm responding to things as I read the thread so didn't mean to post so many different replies. 

@ghoulina About what you said about Maddie not being in active labor the entire time. That makes a lot of more sense. (I have to apologize again. I have been commenting and replying before I even finished watching the show. I haven't even gotten to Maddie's labor yet.) I was going off the 65 hours of labor crap. It makes more sense that she was having Braxton Hicks or whatever they call them now or just the early contractions where it's not necessary to even go to the hospital yet. But had her water broken yet? My water broke before my contractions even started, and I was told at that time I needed to deliver within 24 hours of my water breaking to keep the baby from getting an infection or something or other. Sorry, my child is 17 now so I can't really remember exactly. So she could've been in trouble if she was laboring for 65 hours after water breaking but that doesn't sound like that was the case. 

And on having a home birth, I could see how it would be a whole lot better in some ways. I desperately wanted to get up and walk around because I was having intense contractions felt in my lower back but they made me stay laying on my back the entire time. It sucked. And I had my child at a tiny hospital where there was only one anesthesiologist, and he went to lunch when I was dilated to 4 so I didn't get my epideral until I was at an 8 so I didn't even get the benefit of much pain relief anyway. I did have to have an episiotomy so I think that was a plus. I pushed for over an hour before the dr cut me. What happens in home births when your opening isn't big enough for the baby to pass through? Do you just tear? I wouldn't be too happy about that. 

[Higgins]

There is a "better to tear" movement along with "starve your baby before supplementing formula movement"