S05.E11: All the Comforts of Home

[Lobsel Vith]

10 hours ago, Raja said:

Basically The Doctor was the endgame Framework Fitz since as a contemporary of Simmons who should have been at SHIELD Academy when Hydra revealed itself. The combination of tactical and technical skills needed to get overall command like Coulson is supposed to have "I am training you to command" rather then being a mission specialist, "she taught you how to fight". In this case his father remaining in his life must have taught Leopold to be a dirty fighter along with his engineering genius redirected due to Ophelia.

I respectfully disagree that the Doctor is the endgame for Fitz. There's an inconsistency when Fitz's role as the Doctor seemed to be geared towards the medical specialization - hence, the investigation into Inhuman biology and how Inhuman powers work. Yet Fitz was also constructing a machine - which is within Fitz's specialization, but it's also an entirely different scientific field. So we're asked to believe Fitz studied two entirely different scientific fields? And then Fitz is uber-proficient with guns in the following season, suggesting he studied combat - yet this isn't even eluded to in the actual Framework storyline. There are inconsistencies and no real overall plan.

4 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

To be fair, the team's last interaction with Deke was him sacrificing himself so Enoch could sacrifice himself and power the monolith to take them home.  

Yet the writers had characters handwaving what Deke did prior to this - where Fitz and Simmons went from wanting to kill Deke in one episode, and then having no problem with him in the next episode with absolutely no explanation for the complete 180. Daisy does the same thing.

Also, I'm not sure why 'one good thing' is supposed to exonerate someone from a lifetime of bad deeds, particularly a heinous act committed against someone we've come to know for five years. And the nature of the act in question isn't one of those things that should be handwaved just because a person did a single good thing.

4 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I don't think anyone forgot about the terrible things Ward did.  Except for they way they treated Framework Ward who was legitimately a nicer guy, no one got over what Ward did.  Coulson killed him on the blue planet, Jemma even hated him in the Framework, Fitz and May didn't get over it.  And while Deke is no choir boy, I would not put what we saw of his actions in the same category as what Ward did.

I wrote that we are supposed to forget about it - we, as in the viewers. We're supposed to forget about it because it was poorly handwaved by the writers. And I'd say spending time on Ward in the Framework storyline is akin to that, where they devoted a great amount of time in an anti-Nazi storyline trying to convince viewers to feel sympathy for someone who did heinous things for three seasons.

4 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

The worst thing we saw Deke do was sell out Daisy to Kassius but they at least half assed explained that the did that in order to continue to be able to help them; which he did.

They had Deke give two ridiculously weak and different explanations for that which are as weak as Ward claiming that he never meant to kill Fitz and Simmons. And if the writers intended for Deke to be a long-term character, I don't see why they had him sell Daisy into slavery.

4 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

And in the end, he was willing to give up his life so they could go back and change the future.  I wasn't looking for Deke to come back (I would have preferred Flint) but if you line up Ward and Deke and ask me to pick one to stick around, I am going to pick Deke all day long.  I don't ever want to see Ward again.

The difference is that I don't see why I need to deal with Ward or Space Ward. I don't understand why I'm supposed to feel bad for a Nazi or someone who sold a person into slavery. That Deke used his childhood as a defense when Coulson criticized him for what he did is precisely the problem I have - he's basically Ward, using an excuse to justify his actions, and we had Ward for three and a half seasons. I don't see the point in this new rendition of Ward.

I'd also question why - out of all the possible characters we could have had, such as possibly another man of color on a show that's killed off Trip and Andrew, and have Joey and Robbie very finite storylines - why they elected to add someone who engaged in slavery to the cast. I find it ridiculous.

[Kel Varnsen]

On 03/03/2018 at 7:27 PM, Froippi said:

Also the VFX shot of Zephyr one enter the lighthouse base was pretty badass

The way they opened up the water reminded me of how they diverted the waterfall in Wakenda in Black Panther.

[Froippi]

8 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The way they opened up the water reminded me of how they diverted the waterfall in Wakenda in Black Panther.

yea it reminds me some Movie Quality stuff which is hard to pull off on a tv budget but once again the VFX Team surpasses my expectations again

[TV Anonymous]

That is not bone-in ribeye. That is obviously t-bone steak.

[Daltrey]

On ‎2018‎-‎03‎-‎03 at 9:21 PM, teenj12 said:

Did anyone else catch May's line: "We have a small, but active fanbase". XDDD Well played show, well played.

While I enjoyed the episode, I think the Yo-Yo arm thing happened way too soon. The show is usually really great at knowing exactly when to hit us with a giant twist or shocking moment, but they dropped the ball this week with that one. Not timed correctly at all.

Yep, that was a great little nod, nicely done. I disagree about Yo-Yo, though. I wasn`t expecting that at all and felt genuinely shocked. They're not out of the woods yet, that future "could" still happen.

[Daltrey]

On ‎2018‎-‎03‎-‎06 at 6:39 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

The way they opened up the water reminded me of how they diverted the waterfall in Wakenda in Black Panther.

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey!...... I haven't seen it yet; spoilers, LOL!!!!

[Daltrey]

On ‎2018‎-‎03‎-‎06 at 4:44 PM, Lobsel Vith said:

I'd also question why - out of all the possible characters we could have had, such as possibly another man of color on a show that's killed off Trip and Andrew, and have Joey and Robbie very finite storylines - why they elected to add someone who engaged in slavery to the cast. I find it ridiculous.

Oh, come on! He's from a dystopian future where mankind was under the thumb of a dominant alien race and far removed from the atrocities of our not so distant past. They all did what they could just to survive...can he not have a redemptive arc? Also, since you brought up ethnicity, despite the fates of Trip, Andrew, Joey and Robbie, the team is still predominantly POC. Fitz, Simmons and Coulson are white, Mac is black and Yo-Yo Hispanic, while both Daisy and May are Asian; Chloe Bennet was born Chloe Wang, as her father is Chinese. Other than maybe "Buffy", I would argue that Joss Whedon and the Mutant Enemy production company as a whole have a pretty good track record as far as representation goes. AOS is the last show I would be lobbing subtle accusations of racism at.

[Lobsel Vith]

6 hours ago, Daltrey said:

Oh, come on! He's from a dystopian future where mankind was under the thumb of a dominant alien race and far removed from the atrocities of our not so distant past.

Tess and Flint are just two examples that you don't have to turn into a slaver simply because you grew up at the Lighthouse. It's also the excuse SWW fans used to justify the terrible things Ward did for three seasons - using his upbringing as a weak excuse to justify him doing all the terrible things that he did. It didn't work for Ward, and it doesn't work for Deke.

6 hours ago, Daltrey said:

They all did what they could just to survive...can he not have a redemptive arc?

Deke deserves as much of a redemption arc as Ward. I don't see how I should forget that Deke is a slaver simply because he makes quips or hugged a tree.

6 hours ago, Daltrey said:

Also, since you brought up ethnicity, despite the fates of Trip, Andrew, Joey and Robbie, the team is still predominantly POC. Fitz, Simmons and Coulson are white, Mac is black and Yo-Yo Hispanic, while both Daisy and May are Asian; Chloe Bennet was born Chloe Wang, as her father is Chinese.

Mack is also the only black man who can exist on this show without being killed off, and Yo-yo only become a regular member of the cast this season.

6 hours ago, Daltrey said:

Other than maybe "Buffy", I would argue that Joss Whedon and the Mutant Enemy production company as a whole have a pretty good track record as far as representation goes.

You would be the first person I've ever read argue any such thing.

6 hours ago, Daltrey said:

AOS is the last show I would be lobbing subtle accusations of racism at.

The presence of Ming-Na Wen and Chloe Bennet doesn't mean that the show can't be criticized for how it's handled characters like Trip, Andrew, Joey, and Robbie, especially when we see them making more of an effort with a white slaver than they ever did with those characters.

[Marvelgirl]

What? How could that women possible cut off Yo-Yo's arms off? When she goes super fast doesn't everything else go into extreme slow-mo? So how in the world did she just run into that blade thing? The only possible answer I can think of is that that blonde girl (can't remember her name) is an inhuman and some how manager to best Yo-Yo!! Any ideas???

[Raja]

1 hour ago, Marvelgirl said:

What? How could that women possible cut off Yo-Yo's arms off? When she goes super fast doesn't everything else go into extreme slow-mo? So how in the world did she just run into that blade thing? The only possible answer I can think of is that that blonde girl (can't remember her name) is an inhuman and some how manager to best Yo-Yo!! Any ideas???

It has not been determined that she is just a woman. Despite some nerds trying to fit her into a legacy Marvel comics human character she could be an enhanced LMD, alien or Inhuman. Right now my vote is unknown alien species.

 

So can this be renamed as a Ruby thread?

[blueray]

Why does this need a new thread? There is already an episode thread for this episode. But yes poor YoYo :(

 

My guess is Ruby is also fast or something. All I know is so far I don't like her character, way to whinny.

[dkb]

On 3/2/2018 at 10:10 PM, AimingforYoko said:

I had thought Kasius cut off Yo-Yo's arms, not Disney Channel refugee.

LMAO.

On 3/2/2018 at 10:25 PM, chitowngirl said:

I was just glad the jogger was not some form of Ward.

I thought it for sure was Ward somehow.

On 3/4/2018 at 3:47 AM, thuganomics85 said:

Pretty dark episode for the most park, but I did enjoy some of the lighter moments at first like Melinda's crack about their "small, but vocal fanbase", and the van scene, where everyone was recapping all their past obstacles (including taking on both of Daisy's parents!)

And dancing! Love May.

On 3/6/2018 at 9:39 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

The way they opened up the water reminded me of how they diverted the waterfall in Wakenda in Black Panther.

I thought it looked like the underwater prison in Captain America: Civil War.