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I just saw that Lord Bath of Longleat died of Coronavirus. I just watched a documentary about him and his family. He was so eccentric.

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2 hours ago, Ohwell said:

Never underestimate the fight in little guys.  Too many larger guys have done that, to their dismay and dismantlement. 😉

But was the Artist Known as Prince trained in hand-to-hand combat? I believe the Duke of Sussex was (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I think the skill would have tipped the balance in the latter's favor!

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25 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

The Queen appears to be in good health, and I love the bright emerald of her outfit.

I too loved the color of her dress.  Looks great with her white hair.  A good color for spring, the season of renewal.  I wasn't a fan of the brooch she was wearing, although perhaps  there's some significance behind its selection.  

I thought her address, while brief, covered all the important points - thanks to health & other workers, stay inside, a reminder that she has been through national crises before, good luck to all, we will get through this.  

I watched on the BBC's website, and they were showing on the crawl below the Queen the news that Scotland's chief medical officer had received a warning from the police because she and her family traveled to their second home.  She's one of the officials who is imploring people to stay home.  Good golly.  What a contrast to the Queen demonstrating her life of service.  

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46 minutes ago, Blergh said:

But was the Artist Known as Prince trained in hand-to-hand combat? I believe the Duke of Sussex was (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I think the skill would have tipped the balance in the latter's favor!

While the Duke was trained in "hand-to-hand combat," I believe that The Artist (as well as some of the rest of us) might very well have been trained in "kick ass."  😃 

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Am I missing the point of the painting?  I don’t get it.  Just seems very mean-spirited and random to me.

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The Queen's speech actually had me all choked up.   It was the words we needed to hear.   "We will meet again."

 

Not lord Bath.   Of course, we know have the first woman of color as a Marquess.    TAKE THAT, Establishment Britain.

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17 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

The Queen's speech actually had me all choked up.   It was the words we needed to hear.   "We will meet again."

I'm an American and found her speech *so* reassuring. And of course Vera Lynn lyrics evoke the last worldwide disaster of this scale. 

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2 hours ago, Crs97 said:

Am I missing the point of the painting?  I don’t get it.  Just seems very mean-spirited and random to me.

I guess it's supposed to be showdown between queens and princes.

The irony is that the late artist Prince Rogers Nelson was actually BORN a prince due to it being his given name while it was a title of the Duke of Sussex from birth while Her Majesty BECAME a queen via succeeding her father at age 25 but Freddie Mercury was just the lead singer of the group called Queen but he  wasn't seriously ever referred to via that title in of himself. 

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6 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

Keep Calm And Carry On:

 

I wouldn’t expect any less. She may have been born to a life of unimaginable privilege, but I’m pretty sure HM has a spine of steel. 

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3 hours ago, anna0852 said:

I'm an American and found her speech *so* reassuring. And of course Vera Lynn lyrics evoke the last worldwide disaster of this scale. 

And Now Is The Hour by Gracie Fields. That song and Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again are two of the songs my WWII generation mother blasted every Saturday when she did housework and laundry. (American here also). 

The Queen saying "We will meet again" just about did me in. I noticed and admired the fact that she used the inclusive "... people of many faiths and those of none ..."

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On a much lighter note, because need a laugh, someone noticed Her Majesty's green dress was perfect for the green screen treatment:

It's twitter I apologize for those who don't have it.   but trust me, its HILARIOUS.  

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The combo of Iron Maiden with the pearls and broach is making me unbelievably happy. 

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22 hours ago, suomi said:

And Now Is The Hour by Gracie Fields. That song and Vera Lynn's We'll Meet Again are two of the songs my WWII generation mother blasted every Saturday when she did housework and laundry. (American here also). 

The Queen saying "We will meet again" just about did me in. I noticed and admired the fact that she used the inclusive "... people of many faiths and those of none ..."

I imagine Elizabeth and Philip sitting together, playing the music of their youth and reminiscing about their more than 70 years together.  So many of those songs from WWII are about longing to be together again, which is so appropriate for 2020, and the two of them being together is one good thing that has come out of this terrible pandemic.  Since Philip retired from his life as a working royal, they have been separated much of the time.  Now they can be together, which is lovely for a couple at their ages. 

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The Iron Maiden one WAS my favorite.   The brooch and pearls DO make the outfit.   But then someone did a Starfleet uniform.   Couldn't grab it to post it, but that was absolutely perfect.

I am quite sure she did it on purpose.   She knows we need a giggle right now.   She is quite tech savvy (unlike a certain NFL Owner/GM)

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The Queen looks good, and healthy. I did choke up a bit at the end of her speech. "We will meet again." It was just lovely and solid and reassuring. And much needed.

This is another lovely message. (Click right.)

 

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1 hour ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

the-queens-outfit-was-used-as-a-green-screen-meme.jpg

Seeing so many at once makes it difficult to choose a favorite. 

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8 hours ago, merylinkid said:

The Iron Maiden one WAS my favorite.   The brooch and pearls DO make the outfit.   But then someone did a Starfleet uniform.   Couldn't grab it to post it, but that was absolutely perfect.

The Starfleet uniform was perfect. 

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On 4/5/2020 at 7:09 PM, merylinkid said:

The Queen's speech actually had me all choked up.   It was the words we needed to hear.   "We will meet again."

 

Not lord Bath.   Of course, we know have the first woman of color as a Marquess.    TAKE THAT, Establishment Britain.

Oh it was THAT Lord?

So - a question... Is Emma (the 2 day old Marquess of Bath) royal?  Or is she just noble or an aristocrat now?  I mean - she's not a royal highness - is that what makes the distinction?  I mean - Prince Albert isn't a royal highness - he's a serene highness, but we still say he's royal.  Is it only senior and junior members of BRF who are considered royal? And aren't the Princes of Monaco also royal?

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest - can anyone help shed light on this? Help?

 

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2 hours ago, phoenics said:

Oh it was THAT Lord?

So - a question... Is Emma (the 2 day old Marquess of Bath) royal?  Or is she just noble or an aristocrat now?  I mean - she's not a royal highness - is that what makes the distinction?  I mean - Prince Albert isn't a royal highness - he's a serene highness, but we still say he's royal.  Is it only senior and junior members of BRF who are considered royal? And aren't the Princes of Monaco also royal?

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest - can anyone help shed light on this? Help?

 

The 7th Marquess had a son who inherited the title. His d-i-l is now the Marchioness of Bath, since she is married to the 8th Marquess. (I totally misunderstood the question initially.)

This thread started out life just for Meghan & Harry's wedding but has evolved to include conversations related to all the various royal families world wide.  Members of the British peerage, I'm not so sure where they fall. If they started dominating the conversation, they might be banished. 🙂 **

** Note: I'm just a visitor here like everyone else.  So that is just my educated guess. 

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1 hour ago, phoenics said:

Oh it was THAT Lord?

So - a question... Is Emma (the 2 day old Marquess of Bath) royal?  Or is she just noble or an aristocrat now?  I mean - she's not a royal highness - is that what makes the distinction?  I mean - Prince Albert isn't a royal highness - he's a serene highness, but we still say he's royal.  Is it only senior and junior members of BRF who are considered royal? And aren't the Princes of Monaco also royal?

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest - can anyone help shed light on this? Help?

 

As far as I know, the Marquess of Bath is not royal.  She's a peer/aristocrat, but not HRH.  Similar aristocrats include Diana's family the Spencers.  Her brother Charles is Earl Spencer, his daughter and sisters are Ladies.  They have a good bit of royal blood/ancestry, but they aren't part of the reigning royal House, and they aren't HRH.

When it comes to the British Royal Family, there are levels and eventually, the further away from the throne you are, the HRH drops out.  The male-line descendants of George V such as the Gloucesters and Kents are HRH.  I believe that Princess Margaret's children are not HRH.

Other countries/kingdoms have their own royalty.  Monaco is a principality, with Princes and Princesses.  Norway, Sweden, Spain, Denmark, and the Netherlands all have their own royal families.  (Some of those royal houses use the title Serene Highness instead of Royal.)

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6 hours ago, phoenics said:

Oh it was THAT Lord?

So - a question... Is Emma (the 2 day old Marquess of Bath) royal?  Or is she just noble or an aristocrat now?  I mean - she's not a royal highness - is that what makes the distinction?  I mean - Prince Albert isn't a royal highness - he's a serene highness, but we still say he's royal.  Is it only senior and junior members of BRF who are considered royal? And aren't the Princes of Monaco also royal?

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest - can anyone help shed light on this? Help?

 

Ranks of the Royalty, Aristocracy, Gentry, and Peasantry

It’s based on rank. Royalty includes the titles King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Prince or Princess. There are some royal dukedoms and some non royal ones. Marquess is part of the aristocracy and is the rank below Duke.

ETA: Actually Emma is the The Marchioness of Bath. Her husband is The Marquess. 

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10 hours ago, suomi said:

Seeing so many at once makes it difficult to choose a favorite. 

That shade of green is perfect for her. ☺

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6 hours ago, phoenics said:

Oh it was THAT Lord?

So - a question... Is Emma (the 2 day old Marquess of Bath) royal?  Or is she just noble or an aristocrat now?  I mean - she's not a royal highness - is that what makes the distinction?  I mean - Prince Albert isn't a royal highness - he's a serene highness, but we still say he's royal.  Is it only senior and junior members of BRF who are considered royal? And aren't the Princes of Monaco also royal?

I've been trying to figure this out for the longest - can anyone help shed light on this? Help?

 

The HRH in the British royal family is reserved for the children of the monarch, the male-line grandchildren of the monarch, and the children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales (it previously was limited to the son of the eldest son, but this was changed before the birth of Prince George).

So with this current family, all of Elizabeth's children are HRH and all of her grandchildren, except for Princess Anne's children, are HRH. The children of the Earl of Wessex are technically HRH, but are not styled as such at the request of their parents. Of her great-grandchildren, only the Cambridge children are currently HRH. When Prince Charles ascends the throne, Harry's son, Archie, would technically be HRH but it will probably be like the Wessex situation, where they don't use it.

The Dukes of Kent and Gloucester, as mentioned, along with their siblings, are HRH due to their being grandchildren of George V. That ends with them. They will pass along their dukedoms to their sons, but those dukedoms will cease to be royal.

Senior royals are just members of the royal family who carry out regular engagements on behalf of the monarch, represent the royal family, and are in close proximity to the throne.

Prince Albert is His Serene Highness, but as the sovereign of Monaco, he outranks Prince Charles. Same goes for Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg, it's just how their titles evolved from their nations' statuses within larger kingdoms/empires that no longer exist.

 

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16 hours ago, callie lee 29 said:

Not gonna lie, the only thing I can think of when I hear that name is Archway Cookies (and their Kick-Ass oatmeal cookies and molasses cookies). 

My Archway cookie nemesis is the Windmill - I love those cookies (damn you, Windmill! Damn your hint of molasses and spice and thinly shaved almonds!)

I think "Archewell"  is a wonky name for their foundation - as you said, reminiscent of the cookie company,  but it also sounds like a butler in a Monty Pythonesque Downton Abbey porn sketch ("Oh, Archewell... is tea served? YES, YES IT IS!! SERVE ME! OH OH OH!!")  

~tally ho!

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Of course, we know have the first woman of color as a Marquess.

Marchioness. You need a penis to be a marquess.

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As far as I know, the Marquess of Bath is not royal.  She's a peer/aristocrat, but not HRH.

He (and she, by extension) is not royal.

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Royalty includes the titles King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Prince or Princess. There are some royal dukedoms and some non royal ones. 

Yes, not all dukes are royal. If you're not a member of the royal family or related to them, you're just an ordinary duke. And as others have pointed out, there are some royal earls as well. Prince Edward is the Earl of Wessex, because he wants mommy and daddy's dukedom once they die.

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4 hours ago, callie lee 29 said:
18 hours ago, BW Manilowe said:

Not gonna lie, the only thing I can think of when I hear that name is Archway Cookies (and their Kick-Ass oatmeal cookies and molasses cookies). 

The one I thought of immediately was that it used to be the tagline for Cialis.  Maybe it was "when the moment's right" but still.

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8 hours ago, Hiyo said:

Marchioness. You need a penis to be a marquess.

 

Unless you are Anne Boleyn and you have a king hot to bang you.

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9 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

The Fug Girls are doing past royal wedding posts and this one of Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel is just fantastic.

https://www.gofugyourself.com/royal-wedding-rewind-crown-princess-victoria-and-daniel-westling-04-2020

CPV and Daniel are absolutely gooey.

Awww thank you for posting that. It was wonderful! 

On a strange side note Victoria has such dainty ears. She looked so lovely and what a beautiful dress, veil and tiara. She was absolutely glowing!

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She is glowing. She and Daniel really seem to make it work. I also loved the photos they posted of Maxima and Willem-Alexander. Maxima just has such an expressive face and they cut their wedding cake with a sword.

I would love to see Haakon and Mette Marit because they are both so gorgeous.

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1 hour ago, Hiyo said:

Wasn't she Marquessate?

I believe so.  Henry had to craft a separate title for her.  Anne was shrewd and made sure she was going to get hers even if Henry did not marry her without having to be married off.  The title would have passed on to her son without her having to be married to any man unlike her sister or Bessie Blount.  

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Unless you are Anne Boleyn and you have a king hot to bang you.

Thankfully, those who do NOT become marchionesses have better fates than getting railroaded for adultery, having one's offspring bastardized AND getting one's noggin separated from the rest of the body!  Yeah, Lady Anne managed to get to the top of the mistress pack but she sure had everything blow up in her face in the end! 

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On 4/7/2020 at 10:10 AM, BlackberryJam said:

The Queen looks good, and healthy. I did choke up a bit at the end of her speech. "We will meet again." It was just lovely and solid and reassuring. And much needed.

She is going to outlive all of us. She looks good !

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2 hours ago, badhaggis said:

Awww thank you for posting that. It was wonderful! 

On a strange side note Victoria has such dainty ears. She looked so lovely and what a beautiful dress, veil and tiara. She was absolutely glowing!

That's one of my favorite royal wedding dresses. Victoria looked so beautiful. They both looked so happy.

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On 3/28/2020 at 10:42 AM, Calvada said:

George and Louis are all Middleton IMO.  I think both the boys bear a very strong resemblance to Michael Middleton.  

I think Louis looks incredibly like his great-grandfather, King George VI.

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Thanks to everyone who chimed in on my royal/peerage question... but one more question...

19 hours ago, Luciano said:

Prince Albert is His Serene Highness, but as the sovereign of Monaco, he outranks Prince Charles.

 

About this - so you know how Princess Caroline is an HRH because she married HRH Prince Ernst of Hanover?  Doesn't she now outrank everyone else in her princely family - except the sovereign (Albert)?  I read that when she married Ernst (who had to get permission from QEII to marry her) that she outranked her brother at the time.  Is that true?

So that means HRH outranks HSH except when that HSH is sovereign/monarch?

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