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Heh.

4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And... as I spec'd yesterday, this is when the faction currently supporting Jensen in all this brouhahah will turn on him.

Dean has no reason to tell Cas the story - Cas already knows. I think the suggestion that it could be Dean relating it to someone while awaiting Sam's arrival in Heaven is the most likely. Or if he decides to ignore 15x20, narrating to a school of hunters or such.

Heh. I would love it Dean's first ever VO started out with

"After Jack sent us back here..."

And wouldn't it then be great if we never see or know who he's talking to until the end of the series, when we find out that it's Dean's own son.

I'd love that.

And I'm sure that there would be plenty of spec concerning that, and spec is what made this show turn at the beginning, IMO.

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7 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

And... as I spec'd yesterday, this is when the faction currently supporting Jensen in all this brouhahah will turn on him.

Dean has no reason to tell Cas the story - Cas already knows. I think the suggestion that it could be Dean relating it to someone while awaiting Sam's arrival in Heaven is the most likely. Or if he decides to ignore 15x20, narrating to a school of hunters or such.

They might not frame it at all and just have him narrate it. Not pinning it down to a time, place or context. And I really think it will just a loose framing device anyway to not take away from the "present" happening of young John and Mary.

I don’t watch too much young Sheldon, some Goldbergs which also has an "grown up kid narration" device and the show is 99 % focused on the actual happenings.

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59 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

But Dean grew up with John. They knew a lot about John's life even before he was a hunter. They met army buddies over the years. They know how John felt about Henry (now early MOL's would have been a fun spinoff). They know how John and Mary met. I just can't see what else there is to explore about him.  And Dabb pretty much ruined Mary's character for way too many fans to care anything about her.

Unless John goes on all kinds of hunting adventures with Mary and then at some point has his memories wiped I just can't wrap my head around what they could possibly do with these two that would fit with canon.

I don't agree, I think there are lots of possibilities and honestly I doubt John actually told them THAT much.  There were years if they are starting from when they are teens, then Dean was born in 1979, that's nearly a decade before he was born, at the least it's 7 years if it starts in 1972 as Danneel suggested.  You really think he or WE know that much about them during those 7 years?  I don't.  And I doubt Dean does either.

And as he said "it wasn't perfect until after she died" John told them things, doesn't mean they were honest things.  There's a big difference between saying in a conversation "well such and such a thing about my father" and actually SEEING how that affects someone's life.  Seeing how young John was affected by Vietnam, etc. 

And then there is Mary's life, she wanted to leave hunting so badly, so why didn't she?  Or at least why couldn't she permanently?  Did she feel an obligation?  She just couldn't ignore things that she saw and knew how to help, etc?  Was she possibly forced into it?  Let's face it they don't seem to have really talked that much when she was back, she was always running away trying to be "her own woman", maybe this could help us understand why?

There is actually a lot of story to be told for both characters.

Plus mind wipes are canon, so them not remembering certain things because they were mind wiped would not contradict canon. 

16 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

Heh.

Heh. I would love it Dean's first ever VO started out with

"After Jack sent us back here..."

And wouldn't it then be great if we never see or know who he's talking to until the end of the series, when we find out that it's Dean's own son.

I'd love that.

And I'm sure that there would be plenty of spec concerning that, and spec is what made this show turn at the beginning, IMO.

Ooh I like that idea!

54 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

I didn't get the impression that Jensen would be onscreen, just a VO narrator. (Not that I would mind seeing him!)  

Same I didn't get that impression, it's an off screen narration, he can do it where ever he happens to be working at the time.

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For my own amusement, what I'd like would be Cas narrating the Winchester Gospels.  It could start back before John met Mary, run through their lives together (so it would be seen from both POVs without blaming/demonizing one or the other), could put heaven's  interference into context, and then continue on through the entire series of SPN, with clips from the show and new material added to fill in the blanks from Cas's POV.  (That would maybe also appease Jared and his fans so it wouldn't appear that Dean is getting more air time than Sam.)  

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The press release said "The first story we tell..." so I think the idea may be to do a different story each season.  Like one season of Mary and John, the next season focusing on something else, they probably haven't decided yet so that's why they wouldn't mention it.  Or maybe they wanted to see how much they could come up with for John and Mary before deciding how long that story would last.

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9 minutes ago, tessathereaper said:

Same I didn't get that impression, it's an off screen narration, he can do it where ever he happens to be working at the time

But he could still be talking to someone, and one of the biggest gripes from the Dean fandom concerning the finale was that Dean never got to enjoy/have a life of his own and I know that meant different things to different fans, but if Jensen was producing, it would be what he wanted for Dean, more than anything else.

That would be a big part of his needing creative control, too-and that's the biggest reason that I'd be willing to give a shot.

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40 minutes ago, Myrelle said:

But he could still be talking to someone, and one of the biggest gripes from the Dean fandom concerning the finale was that Dean never got to enjoy/have a life of his own and I know that meant different things to different fans, but if Jensen was producing, it would be what he wanted for Dean, more than anything else.

That would be a big part of his needing creative control, too-and that's the biggest reason that I'd be willing to give a shot.

     I would kind of like it if Dean was sitting around a dinner table with John and Mary (maybe Sam) and talking about the old adventures. Another big advantage with Jensen are all the people that love working with him. I  don't think  it would be hard at all to get JDM to do a cameo in the pilot to launch this. 

     As for the voiceover, I suspect we will see Dean in front of the camera at least a little bit. It would be too big a draw and they could use it in advertising. Just to be slightly negative though, haven't really talked about Robbie's involvement. The is a very good  chance that Dean is telling all of this to Charlie Bradbury.

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I guess what I'm not sure of is how Dean can narrate his parents story other than as strictly that, a narrator.  Unlike Young Sheldon, or the Goldbergs' kid, he wasn't there. So he can't have a POV on the story itself. He can't be telling it. Maybe he's found diaries and is reading them. 

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4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I guess what I'm not sure of is how Dean can narrate his parents story other than as strictly that, a narrator.  Unlike Young Sheldon, or the Goldbergs' kid, he wasn't there. So he can't have a POV on the story itself. He can't be telling it. Maybe he's found diaries and is reading them. 

I think they`ll just not explain it and just have him be an omnicient narrator. I`m sure he`ll identify himself in relation to them aka call them his parents and their story but I don`t imagine they`ll go into the logistics of why/how he would know details of a story he wasn`t privvy to and for the sake of narration he is just gonna know.

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7 hours ago, Katy M said:

People trying to drag other people into their drama is kind of a pet peeve of mine.

This is one thing IA with.  If they are great friends, they'll work it out.  I do ignore the "Blame game" or "poor victim game".  Both are used to manilupate emotions.

I get that many celebrities think that any kind of press is good PR.  I don't.  This kind of thing can destroy a career too.

I'm not sure if I like the sound of the spin off.   Even though I am a fan of Jensen's...I won't be watching any more horror stuff.  So a spinoff would have to make me change my mind on that.

Also, I know of a writer/producer of another show that when it ended they thought they had a new show in the works.  It never happened. 

Look at all of the rewrites before Supernatural got produced.  Sometimes even the pilots get a remake, Numb3rs was one that I can think of.  The first pilot was very poor, the remake made it 6 seasons. 

How many shows that actually is pretty good gets canceled after one season.  So Jared having hurt feelings seems like a lot.  Jensen could have egg on his face if it doesn't make it.  (Not really)  But Jensen is taking the risks on this adventure not Jared.  Otherwise Jared should share in the burden.  This is why his complaint seems hollow to me.  I don't know and really I don't care.

I'll wait to see if the pilot gets more interesting, but right now I'm not sure if I like the concept or not.  I do think young Dean and Sam growing up would be interesting or going back to the days of the colt. 

Smart actors know not to burn bridges.  It's the business.  It's designed to make money.  Actors can lose jobs over being too emotional and hard to work with.  I do think at one point Jared and Jensen had a strong friendship.  But I'm not sure if I believe that is still true.  But both are adults and if they want to make the relationship work or give each other space...that is their issue to work out. 

I'll keep an eye out for Jensen as I respect his work so much more than Jared's.  I haven't given Walker a try and well I doubt I will.  Jared's acting isn't one that draws me in. 

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Just a little reminder to please keep the discussion here to Supernatural social media. There is a separate topic to discuss Supernatural actors in other roles. Thanks!

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5 hours ago, tessathereaper said:

The press release said "The first story we tell..." so I think the idea may be to do a different story each season.  Like one season of Mary and John, the next season focusing on something else, they probably haven't decided yet so that's why they wouldn't mention it.  Or maybe they wanted to see how much they could come up with for John and Mary before deciding how long that story would last.

Oh an Anthology show? That would be cool, maybe then I could still get my Rufus/Bobby spinoff. 😁

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Just now, Morrigan2575 said:

Oh an Anthology show? That would be cool, maybe then I could still get my Rufus/Bobby spinoff. 😁

When she said "The first story we tell..." I took it to mean the first show that Chaos Machine is producing.

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Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

When she said "The first story we tell..." I took it to mean the first show that Chaos Machine is producing.

Oh, bummer😂

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Just now, Morrigan2575 said:

Oh, bummer😂

LOL, I have most certainly be wrong before. :)

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15 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

When she said "The first story we tell..." I took it to mean the first show that Chaos Machine is producing.

That could be it too, but I think if it's successful, it would be natural to do other SPN stories too.  You don't do all that work and then go "John and Mary is enough" I don't think.

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1 hour ago, Myrelle said:

I love them.

So much. 🥰

Me too! 😍

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Danneel posted on Instagram a picture of herself with some Mantra product going for a run a couple of days ago, tried to post here but file was too big or something.  I didn't think Danneel was the sort of person who went for runs!  Jensen also liked Jared's post of him in their pool with the children, so they are interacting with the Padalecki's on SM.

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On 6/25/2021 at 8:43 PM, Myrelle said:

Ah well, my bad, but still not down the road from the Padaleckis any longer, right?

They sold that house, I believe.

How do we know that they sold their home?

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On 6/28/2021 at 1:33 PM, tessathereaper said:

The press release said "The first story we tell..." so I think the idea may be to do a different story each season.  Like one season of Mary and John, the next season focusing on something else, they probably haven't decided yet so that's why they wouldn't mention it.  Or maybe they wanted to see how much they could come up with for John and Mary before deciding how long that story would last.

 

On 6/28/2021 at 6:55 PM, Morrigan2575 said:

Oh an Anthology show? That would be cool, maybe then I could still get my Rufus/Bobby spinoff. 😁

I agree an anthology series would be fun, but I don't think Jensen's "The first story we wanted to tell" comment was about the first story in The Winchesters.

From Deadline:

 

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Before Sam and Dean, there was John and Mary. Told from the perspective of narrator Dean Winchester (Jensen Ackles), The Winchesters is the epic, untold love story of how John met Mary and how they put it all on the line to not only save their love, but the entire world.


This the context for the "The first story we wanted to tell" comment:

 

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“After Supernatural wrapped its 15th season, we knew it wasn’t over. Because like we say in the show, ‘nothing ever really ends, does it?'” Jensen Ackles told Deadline. “When Danneel and I formed Chaos Machine Productions, we knew the first story we wanted to tell was the story of John and Mary Winchester, or rather the Supernatural origin story. I always felt like my character, Dean, would have wanted to know more about his parents’ relationship and how it came to be. So I love the thought of having him take us on this journey.”

 

In other words, Chaos Machine's first story will be a Supernatural/Winchesters origin story.

It still could turn out to be an anthology, but the "we" in that comment wasn't talking about which story they wanted The Winchesters series to tell. It was talking about this series being the first story i.e. production out of their company.

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Further comment states it's for Batman: The Longest Halloween. Oh boy. 

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1 hour ago, General Days said:

 

I agree an anthology series would be fun, but I don't think Jensen's "The first story we wanted to tell" comment was about the first story in The Winchesters.

From Deadline:

 


This the context for the "The first story we wanted to tell" comment:

 

 

In other words, Chaos Machine's first story will be a Supernatural/Winchesters origin story.

It still could turn out to be an anthology, but the "we" in that comment wasn't talking about which story they wanted The Winchesters series to tell. It was talking about this series being the first story i.e. production out of their company.

Yeah like I said "I THINK, MAYBE..."

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9 minutes ago, tessathereaper said:

Yeah like I said "I THINK, MAYBE..."

Right...

I replied because the quote you offered in support of that maybe was in reference to the production company's first story, i.e. the series itself, not the first story in the series.

I'd still like an anthology, though. I'm willing to give whatever they try a chance. I'd like to see them succeed.

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2 hours ago, Diane said:

How do we know that they sold their home?

After the Architectual digest tour, they started posting pics from with a background that looked nothing like the lake house.  

So while there is nothing to state outright they sold it, it makes sense. 

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26 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

After the Architectual digest tour, they started posting pics from with a background that looked nothing like the lake house.  

So while there is nothing to state outright they sold it, it makes sense. 

I thought I read somewhere that someone looked it up. That it was public knowledge that anyone could look up, although I can't recall where I read it, but yes it was after the pics of them in the middle of another move came out, I believe. 

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Nice to see Jensen promoting his Batman movie. Not sure what that second tweet though, lol. 

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1 hour ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Nice to see Jensen promoting his Batman movie. Not sure what that second tweet though, lol. 

I just posted it because it had a picture for those not on instagram.  

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So he's wearing the hat from the studio in Austin. Does that mean he's back? Finally?

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1 hour ago, Casseiopeia said:

So he's wearing the hat from the studio in Austin. Does that mean he's back? Finally?

No.  The person has location tagged as Toronto, Ontario. 

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2 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

No.  The person has location tagged as Toronto, Ontario. 

Thanks. I thought I read that last day of filming was last week.

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Just now, Casseiopeia said:

Thanks. I thought I read that last day of filming was last week.

No.  Filming doesn't end until September.  Kripke said they are in month 5 of 7. 

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Just now, ILoveReading said:

No.  Filming doesn't end until September.  Kripke said they are in month 5 of 7. 

Oh wow. They aren't even close. Poor Jensen. He has 2 more months before he can go home!

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I swear he looks weird in that pic. Is it just me? Like it looks like him but not. I'm puzzled..

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1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

I swear he looks weird in that pic. Is it just me? Like it looks like him but not. I'm puzzled..

I thought the same thing.  He looks thin and really tired. 

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1 hour ago, catrox14 said:

I swear he looks weird in that pic. Is it just me? Like it looks like him but not. I'm puzzled..

I think it's the selfie angle.  His chin is narrower than normal and jawline is foreshortened.  I don't know about the woman with him, but she also has an oddly narrow jaw and very wide cheekbones.  

 

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6 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

I think it's the selfie angle.  His chin is narrower than normal and jawline is foreshortened.  I don't know about the woman with him, but she also has an oddly narrow jaw and very wide cheekbones.  

 

She looks the same in her other instagram pictures.

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35 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

She looks the same in her other instagram pictures.

Maybe the angle is aimed at her and Jensen, being taller, is at a different (odd) angle.  

All I'm saying is that his chin and jawline don't look like they usually do, which makes him look a little weird.  

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21 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Maybe the angle is aimed at her and Jensen, being taller, is at a different (odd) angle.  

All I'm saying is that his chin and jawline don't look like they usually do, which makes him look a little weird.  

That could be. I thought his face looked kind of flattened. I legit thought was a manip at first lol.

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His facial bone structure looks slightly out of whack in the pic. Neither weight loss nor tiredness would account for that so IMO it is the angle of the pic.

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I think its a filter.  His freckles are gone. That's probably why he looks  bit of. 

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3 hours ago, ILoveReading said:

I think its a filter.  His freckles are gone. That's probably why he looks  bit of. 

My first thought was a filter, because he is missing wrinkles that he would have with that kind of closeup.

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1 hour ago, 7kstar said:

My first thought was a filter, because he is missing wrinkles that he would have with that kind of closeup.

  Maybe that's why her also face looks a little unreal?  But doesn't his neck look thin too?

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7 hours ago, catrox14 said:

I swear he looks weird in that pic. Is it just me? Like it looks like him but not. I'm puzzled..

No, it's not just you. He looks pretty thin compared to the recent pics that we've seen of him with the cast of The Boys. 

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Neither look natural, it looks like someone alter the photos because it isn't a natural even proportion of their body. 

Which is why I thought it was a filter but it reminds me of photos where they altered the original for photos that went on magazines but instead of making the subjects looking better it made them look weird. 

It's not a photo that I would save of Jensen.  Not sure why they did it.  It doesn't make either look great.  Most of the time Jensen is very photogenic. 

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Please keep your speculation and comments on the end of Supernatural in the Supernatural Ending topic. Use this topic here for discussion of the social media / public appearance items themselves only. As always, keep Bitch vs. Jerk discussion in its own topic.

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