S08.E10: Meltdown In Milan

[SheTalksShit]

13 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

For goodness sake.... Margaret was not comparing Kim D’s actions to Hitler’s atrocities!

Mararet was saying that just because a bad person like Hitler would have spared her life, that action would not make him a good person. 

It was an analogy to counter Siggy and Delores’ view on Kim D.... which has been well articulated by others in this thread days ago.

Right but her tone of voice and facial expression indicated that she was far more hysterical and invested in this than she should be, considering how new she is and this whole thing didn't really involve her. And obviously, with her ridiculous analogy, the stakes for supporting Hitler are a bit higher than the stakes for supporting Kim D.'s fashion event.  Her whole reaction was very over-dramatic and absurd. 

[ghoulina]

17 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

And Kim D. is a lowlife, but comparing her to HITLER, an evil dictator who is responsible for the killing of 10 million ppl, is a bit dramatic, don't you think?? It was RIDICULOUS of Margaret to get that hysterical over a situation that didn't even really involve her. She didn't even know Kim D, yet she's comparing her to Hitler??? Fucking absurd, sorry. 

I just don't think she was comparing the two. I think she was trying to make a point about how you don't have to wait for someone to do something bad to YOU, in order to take a stand. However, with Siggy, you have to really come up with something big to make a point. Otherwise, she will yell and flail all over and nothing will be heard. So I think Margaret used a really OTT analogy to drive home her point. Given Siggy's background, it was definitely a poor choice. But I do not think she was actually trying to compare Kim D and her petty BS to Hitler. It was the heat of the moment, so I'm willing to give her a pass. If they were emailing, she may have had the time to construct a more appropriate analogy. 

[SheTalksShit]

1 minute ago, ghoulina said:

I just don't think she was comparing the two. I think she was trying to make a point about how you don't have to wait for someone to do something bad to YOU, in order to take a stand. However, with Siggy, you have to really come up with something big to make a point. Otherwise, she will yell and flail all over and nothing will be heard. So I think Margaret used a really OTT analogy to drive home her point. Given Siggy's background, it was definitely a poor choice. But I do not think she was actually trying to compare Kim D and her petty BS to Hitler. It was the heat of the moment, so I'm willing to give her a pass. If they were emailing, she may have had the time to construct a more appropriate analogy. 

Right but as I said above, her tone of voice and facial expression indicated that she was far more hysterical and invested in this than she should be, considering how new she is and this whole thing didn't really involve her. Her whole reaction was very over-dramatic and absurd. If Melissa or Teresa, the people who've actually been victims of Kim D.'s bullshit, had said it, I'd be like whatever, it was over-dramatic but they were upset, I get it, but for Margaret to react that way, from the words she used, to her tone of voice to the look on her face, is absolutely ridiculous and out of place, to me, considering her place in the group. It just is. Her head is way too far up Melissa and Teresa's ass. 

[ElsbethTascioni]

7 hours ago, dosodog said:

The problem is, when people, including Margaret, use Hitler, the Holocaust and or Nazis, to make a point?

It cheapens the memory of what happened DURING the Holocaust. Which when one thinks about the atrocities committed, one realizes it in no way compares to what most people compare it to.

Does it make Marg anti-semetic?  No. Its a common societal thing to bring up one of histories most horrible times, but that doesn't make it right or correct.

And maybe the point isn't well articulated nor universally shared, but I think it's something to think about.  Historical atrocities should perhaps just stand alone.

And Siggy calling Margaret anti-semitic does exactly the same thing.

2 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

Right but her tone of voice and facial expression indicated that she was far more hysterical and invested in this than she should be, considering how new she is and this whole thing didn't really involve her. And obviously, with her ridiculous analogy, the stakes for supporting Hitler are a bit higher than the stakes for supporting Kim D.'s fashion event.  Her whole reaction was very over-dramatic and absurd. 

Absolutely. She went in like it directly concerned her. Not gonna lie, I wasn't really bothered though. Kim D is scum, and Dolores and Siggy acting like they were walking because it was for a charitable reason was absurd. They wanted to walk because they're both attention whores, especially Siggy. They could have easily just written a check.

[SheTalksShit]

17 minutes ago, ElsbethTascioni said:

Absolutely. She went in like it directly concerned her. Not gonna lie, I wasn't really bothered though. Kim D is scum, and Dolores and Siggy acting like they were walking because it was for a charitable reason was absurd. They wanted to walk because they're both attention whores, especially Siggy. They could have easily just written a check.

right, but I could see how Siggy would be totally annoyed with her, especially considering they'd already gotten off to a rocky start. I think they walked b/c a friend of theirs (Kim D.) asked them to do it. They didn't wanna say no to their friend and thought it might be a nice thing to do. They also adamantly defended Teresa, which is more than Teresa ever did for Melissa back in the day. So I don't quite get what the issue is, beyond that. Siggy and Delores were not around for the whole Kim D/Melissa/Teresa conflict and really, it's not their issue, it's Teresa's, Melissa's and Kim's. I didn't see Teresa and Melissa try to get involved when Siggy was having her issue with Margaret. 

Edited December 16, 2017 by SheTalksShit

[biakbiak]

31 minutes ago, SheTalksShit said:

They also adamantly defended Teresa, which is more than Teresa ever did for Melissa back in the day. So I don't quite get what the issue is, beyond that. Siggy and Delores were not around for the whole Kim D/Melissa/Teresa conflict and really, it's not their issue, it's Teresa's, Melissa's and Kim's. I didn't see Teresa and Melissa try to get involved when Siggy was having her issue with Margaret. 

I wouldn't say adamantly,  particularly Dolores, and when she continued to bring it up they should have said they weren't going to participate.

[CrinkleCutCat]

13 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

 

ETA:  And my point has been "well articulated" by me and others as well.

I was just being lazy and didn’t want to write out what I was trying to say when others had already done so! I wasn’t inferring anything. You, and others, are among the most interesting posters in this forum!

[Talented Tenth]

I am beyond sick of Siggy.  She is not entertaining to watch and she doesn't fit in the the cast.  Dolores is a snooze fest too.  To make accusations against Margaret was just ridiculous.  

[RHJunkie]

9 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

not necessarily. it's interesting to hear other ppl's POV, tho, bc I feel like I can be like that, sensitive and grudge-holding when someone really hurts me. i'm not talking about stupid shit, like if you snapped at me or something, but if i feel you do me wrong on a deeper level, it's hard for me to let go and i imagine it would be even harder for me if i were on a reality show and had to re-live it when it aired. 

i'm very good at empathizing and sympathizing with others who've done nothing to me or who are good to me, but it's really hard for me to feel any compassion towards people who do me wrong. that's just how i am. they could drop dead tomorrow and i would not give a fuck. i might even secretly smile. anything bad that happens to them, empathy and sympathy is the last thing i feel. 

and i can be quite mean about it, if they give me so much as a nudge. 

I don't think it's a healthy way of managing emotions when hurt, our instinct is to to maliciously retaliate rather than communicate. A lot of the times situations escalate purely because people can't take the moment they need to compose themselves and have adult conversations. In the end, someone may have malicious intent toward you, but you allow them to hurt your, you give them the power. Our emotions are the only things that truly belong to us and that we can control. To allow someone else to influence us to the point where we become or act in ways that we aren't proud of or outside of our own character, I would say does more harm to our own well-being than to someone else's. Especially for someone who is in the business of relationships and venturing in to the business of self-improvement retreats, that behaviour isn't at all acceptable to me and just makes Siggy look like a total fraud. 

To clarify, I didn't intend to suggest that people who behave like that have absolutely no empathy or compassion. I meant specifically to those who they feel has hurt them. And to that, you basically agreed with my point. To treat anyone with disregard, even someone who may have hurt you does demonstrate a lack of empathy and compassion because one is so tied up in their own emotions to see or care beyond their own feelings. And I do get you're providing Siggy's perspective but I still think it's unacceptable behaviour. I still think that retaliating maliciously toward someone who may have hurt you, but not with malicious intent says far more about Siggy's character than it does about Margaret's character and the fact that Siggy is so consumed with her anger toward Margaret, she genuinely thinks she has nothing to apologize for. She treated Melissa the same way over the cake fiasco. 

[Marigold]

Teresa has made it a point to say she is fluent in Italian. I even remember her saying she messes up words so often because she thinks in Italian and translates to English. 

Uh, Teresa looked rather clumsy speaking Italian to that tour guide. She speaks Italian but she is in no way as fluent as she likes to pretend she is.  I'm also surprised that Teresa didn't order in Italian and try to show off. I think she realized her Italian is limited and didn't want to look stupid. 

Edited December 17, 2017 by Marigold

[biakbiak]

19 minutes ago, Marigold said:

didn't want to look stupid. 

That would be a first! 

[RedheadZombie]

14 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

I was just being lazy and didn’t want to write out what I was trying to say when others had already done so! I wasn’t inferring anything. You, and others, are among the most interesting posters in this forum!

That's such a nice thing to say, Crinklecutcat!

[dosodog]

16 hours ago, ElsbethTascioni said:

And Siggy calling Margaret anti-semitic does exactly the same thing.

 

I don't disagree.  I said in an earlier post that I don't believe Margaret is anti semetic. 

I'll go a step further and say if Siggy had presented her case, calmly and the way those of us who see the hyperbole did, I believe Margaret would have at the very least, thought about it and in all probability would understand. 

But that doesn't make for "good" tv.

[Wicked]

I would have loved it if Siggy had explained her feelings rationally and they had worked it out like normal mature people.  I watch these shows for the house/vacation/clothes porn.  Not to see people acting like lunatics.

[Mindthinkr]

12 minutes ago, Wicked said:

I would have loved it if Siggy had explained her feelings rationally and they had worked it out like normal mature people.  I watch these shows for the house/vacation/clothes porn.  Not to see people acting like lunatics.

Yes, I'd much rather see their reactions to the sights in Milan (like Tre and Melissa at the Duomo) than be stuck watching a fight in a restaurant that eventually kicks them out. Then off to their rooms to choose sides and rehash. I'd rather them to have taken a nighttime drive see the sights all lit up or met up with some locals over a late night espresso and grappa. Tarantella anyone? 

[Juliegirlj]

The reason Siggy and Margaret don't get along is that Siggy is reactive and acts  immature and Margaret behaves more like an adult. Had Siggy pulled Margaret aside and said " I know you didn't mean to bring up Hitler to hurt me, but, because of my family history , comments like that truly upset me"  then the situation would be totally different. 

[Marigold]

I laughed when Siggy said she was a "Super Jew".  While eating in a non kosher restaurant. 

She was filmed last season learning to be "more Jewish" by beginning to celebrate a Sabbath meal.  Visiting the Holocaust Memorial with her kids, who looked pretty new to the whole topic.

Siggy is free to live her life any way she wants and be any kind of Jew that she wants.  But then lets tone back the "Super Jew" rhetoric. 

[snarts]

At this point, Siggy's just looking for reasons to hate on Margaret.  Nothing Margaret has said or done warrant the vitriol Siggy & Delores have spewed in her direction.  Although I'm no fan of Danielle, I did like how she came to Margaret's defense both during the argument and after.  

Enjoyed seeing Teresa & Melissa try to enjoy Italy. They both look amazing lately. Wonder if they use the same hair colorist?

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[nexxie]

The only thing fun to watch about Siggy is her house - minus the ridiculous vanity signs in every room.

[ghoulina]

21 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

right, but I could see how Siggy would be totally annoyed with her, especially considering they'd already gotten off to a rocky start. I think they walked b/c a friend of theirs (Kim D.) asked them to do it. They didn't wanna say no to their friend and thought it might be a nice thing to do. They also adamantly defended Teresa, which is more than Teresa ever did for Melissa back in the day. So I don't quite get what the issue is, beyond that. Siggy and Delores were not around for the whole Kim D/Melissa/Teresa conflict and really, it's not their issue, it's Teresa's, Melissa's and Kim's. I didn't see Teresa and Melissa try to get involved when Siggy was having her issue with Margaret. 

That's par for the course this season, though. Delores is fighting Siggy's battles. Siggy is fighting Delores's battles. Mel is fighting Tre's battles. Danielle is fighting Melissa's and Teresa's battles. So that part doesn't really bother me. Matter of perspective, I guess. But if they're all going to do it, I'm not really that bothered. 

 

10 minutes ago, snarts said:

At this point, Siggy's just looking for reasons to hate on Margaret.  Nothing Margaret has said or done warrant the vitriol Siggy & Delores have spewed in her direction.

Absolutely. Siggy thinks that because SHE "brought Margaret in", Margaret should have joined Delores in affixing herself to Siggy's ass from jump. The fact that Margaret seems to have her own mind and doesn't take sides (she defended Delores when people were questioning her relationship with Frank) offended Siggy deeply and now Margaret will forever be "bitch eating crackers" to her. 

[sasha206]

On 12/14/2017 at 10:56 AM, eurekagirl mOo said:

Hey I've invoked Hitler and I give to the ACLU, Southern Poverty Center, and the NAACP. Saying "Who does he think he is Hitler?" (or words to that effect) is not THAT uncommon a comment and I have NEVER been called anti-semitic!

Right.  Not to mention, how often is "Nazi" used to describe terrible things?  I personally don't like it but these words are in our lexicon and aren't hurled to be anti-semetic.

[ShawnaLanne]

12 hours ago, dosodog said:

I don't disagree.  I said in an earlier post that I don't believe Margaret is anti semetic. 

I'll go a step further and say if Siggy had presented her case, calmly and the way those of us who see the hyperbole did, I believe Margaret would have at the very least, thought about it and in all probability would understand. 

But that doesn't make for "good" tv.

But Soggy and Delores already don't make good TV.  I saw Soggy's point,  you just don't pull out Hitler,  even if the analogy works, but Soggy blew it out of proportion, using it for fodder for the show which is even more disgusting.

Soggy is not fun to watch,  I want to punch her in her drama queen, mean girl face everytime I see her. 

[NeverLate]

On 16/12/2017 at 10:48 PM, Marigold said:

Teresa has made it a point to say she is fluent in Italian. I even remember her saying she messes up words so often because she thinks in Italian and translates to English. 

Uh, Teresa looked rather clumsy speaking Italian to that tour guide. She speaks Italian but she is in no way as fluent as she likes to pretend she is.  I'm also surprised that Teresa didn't order in Italian and try to show off. I think she realized her Italian is limited and didn't want to look stupid. 

Too late! 

[TattleTeeny]

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People from New Joisey do have an accent

Haha, like others, I still have yet to hear anyone from here say "Joisey"! Where are they? I have also never had anyone ask me "what exit?" However, during a trip to New Orleans, a resident pegged me as tri-state area because I looked startled and confused by her enthusiastic and unsolicited "good morning!"

Edited December 18, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[jaync]

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He [Marty] seemed so...normal and rational. How'd he get mixed up with Danielle?

He met her at a rainbow party, and she blew him away.

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They could have easily just written a check.

...and Teresa could've easily left Kim D.'s premises when she started talking shit about Teresa's family. That Teresa expected more from Delores and Siggy - for far less done - than she's ever been willing to give in respect to others, was laughable.

[Mindthinkr]

5 minutes ago, jaync said:

He met her at a rainbow party, and she blew him away.

Hmmm...I had to decide which way to take this comment. Nice or X rated. 

[tvfanatic13]

On ‎12‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 4:54 PM, ladle said:

Why does Teresa speak to all of the food servers in English?

 

Say what you will about Danielle Staub, but at least she's one of the few cast members who's capable of pronouncing the "t" in "but."

 

I don't like Melissa, but she's looking fantastic in her talking heads this season.

 

Siggy is exhausting. 

Now THIS is funny Ladle. And so true!

[SheTalksShit]

On 12/16/2017 at 10:02 PM, RHJunkie said:

I don't think it's a healthy way of managing emotions when hurt, our instinct is to to maliciously retaliate rather than communicate. A lot of the times situations escalate purely because people can't take the moment they need to compose themselves and have adult conversations. In the end, someone may have malicious intent toward you, but you allow them to hurt your, you give them the power. Our emotions are the only things that truly belong to us and that we can control. To allow someone else to influence us to the point where we become or act in ways that we aren't proud of or outside of our own character, I would say does more harm to our own well-being than to someone else's. Especially for someone who is in the business of relationships and venturing in to the business of self-improvement retreats, that behaviour isn't at all acceptable to me and just makes Siggy look like a total fraud. 

To clarify, I didn't intend to suggest that people who behave like that have absolutely no empathy or compassion. I meant specifically to those who they feel has hurt them. And to that, you basically agreed with my point. To treat anyone with disregard, even someone who may have hurt you does demonstrate a lack of empathy and compassion because one is so tied up in their own emotions to see or care beyond their own feelings. And I do get you're providing Siggy's perspective but I still think it's unacceptable behaviour. I still think that retaliating maliciously toward someone who may have hurt you, but not with malicious intent says far more about Siggy's character than it does about Margaret's character and the fact that Siggy is so consumed with her anger toward Margaret, she genuinely thinks she has nothing to apologize for. She treated Melissa the same way over the cake fiasco. 

ya, i do agree, but i don't see it as a fault in me bc why should i feel empathy or compassion towards someone who didn't feel any towards me? in my mind, someone who did me wrong doesn't deserve empathy or compassion for me. 

[Martinigirl]

On 12/17/2017 at 2:52 PM, snarts said:

At this point, Siggy's just looking for reasons to hate on Margaret.  Nothing Margaret has said or done warrant the vitriol Siggy & Delores have spewed in her direction.  Although I'm no fan of Danielle, I did like how she came to Margaret's defense both during the argument and after.  

Enjoyed seeing Teresa & Melissa try to enjoy Italy. They both look amazing lately. Wonder if they use the same hair colorist?

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Teresa and Melissa, at the same time as Danielle  came to Margaret's defense. All of Siggy's anger is directed at Danielle and only Danielle. The lunatic  believes  the audience sees her as being a good friend to Teresa.   We know all she is just kissing Teresa's ass  (,every single episode) to stay on the show.  

[RHJunkie]

3 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

ya, i do agree, but i don't see it as a fault in me bc why should i feel empathy or compassion towards someone who didn't feel any towards me? in my mind, someone who did me wrong doesn't deserve empathy or compassion for me. 

Fair enough. I get you're providing your perspective but I only really feel comfortable addressing the behaviour I see in Siggy. She's the one that put herself on a reality TV show for people to react to, not you so if I disagree with her behaviour and you agree with it because you relate to it, I don't want to the conversation to deviate to the point where you at any point feel that I'm judging or labelling you. Obviously your experiences have shaped your outlook and my experiences have shaped mine. I personally don't invest too much of my time in people who instinctively react cutthroat. Siggy behaves immaturely as do all the women on this show. None are really above one another in terms of how they act - they're all shades crazy, in my opinion. My problem with Siggy is that for all that she does in reaction to people, she makes herself guilty of the very behaviour she accuses others of. She comes across as pretentious as she points out how inconsiderate and poorly behaved others are meanwhile she does the exact same thing and doesn't even register to her that she's being hypocritical. 

[SheTalksShit]

15 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Fair enough. I get you're providing your perspective but I only really feel comfortable addressing the behaviour I see in Siggy. She's the one that put herself on a reality TV show for people to react to, not you so if I disagree with her behaviour and you agree with it because you relate to it, I don't want to the conversation to deviate to the point where you at any point feel that I'm judging or labelling you. Obviously your experiences have shaped your outlook and my experiences have shaped mine. I personally don't invest too much of my time in people who instinctively react cutthroat. Siggy behaves immaturely as do all the women on this show. None are really above one another in terms of how they act - they're all shades crazy, in my opinion. My problem with Siggy is that for all that she does in reaction to people, she makes herself guilty of the very behaviour she accuses others of. She comes across as pretentious as she points out how inconsiderate and poorly behaved others are meanwhile she does the exact same thing and doesn't even register to her that she's being hypocritical. 

of course, i wasn't saying you have to agree with her behavior or be #teamsiggy haha, i'm just saying, i think you may be reading her wrong in terms of her lacking empathy or whatever. i don't try to make anyone agree or disagree with any behavior, nor do i fault anyone for it, my only intent is to offer perspective on where someone's coming from. whether that makes them more or less likable is a matter of opinion. 

agreed most of these women are crazy - i think of all the RHONJ ladies, Melissa is the only sane, classy one. At least of the current cast. She's been on the show for years and I have yet to see her act in a super-cringeworthy way. 

Dina and Caroline are also sane and classy, IMO, but they're not on the show anymore.  

Edited December 19, 2017 by SheTalksShit

[b2H]

Veering away from the topic at hand for a moment:

What the heck happened to Kim D?

During the episode, there was a flashback from something like five years ago that Kim D was in and she was absolutely beautiful.  Now she looks like an old crone.  Too much surgery?  Aging poorly?  I'm probably being a bit shallow here, but still.......   what the heck happened to her?

[jaybird2]

3 hours ago, b2H said:

Veering away from the topic at hand for a moment:

What the heck happened to Kim D?

During the episode, there was a flashback from something like five years ago that Kim D was in and she was absolutely beautiful.  Now she looks like an old crone.  Too much surgery?  Aging poorly?  I'm probably being a bit shallow here, but still.......   what the heck happened to her?

too much drink, maybe?

[b2H]

5 minutes ago, jaybird2 said:

too much drink, maybe?

I just remember her face being full and her complexion smooth and fresh.  In this ep, she looked pulled, strained, overly made up.  Not a good look.  Really disappointed in her.  Maybe it is that her internal venom against the ladies came to the surface?

[ladle]

wrong thread

Edited December 21, 2017 by ladle

[sasha206]

On 12/20/2017 at 5:54 PM, b2H said:

Veering away from the topic at hand for a moment:

What the heck happened to Kim D?

During the episode, there was a flashback from something like five years ago that Kim D was in and she was absolutely beautiful.  Now she looks like an old crone.  Too much surgery?  Aging poorly?  I'm probably being a bit shallow here, but still.......   what the heck happened to her?

I loved it when Kim D had that cute bob hairstyle that was very flattering on her.  The hair extensions just look bad.

[Martinigirl]

On 12/17/2017 at 9:55 AM, Wicked said:

I would have loved it if Siggy had explained her feelings rationally and they had worked it out like normal mature people.  I watch these shows for the house/vacation/clothes porn.  Not to see people acting like lunatics.

She didn't because that's not what Siggy wanted. What Siggy wanted was the other HW's (esp. Teresa) to go after Margaret about the comment.  Siggy loves being the victim. Glad she is leaving / fired / quit. 

[Martinigirl]

On 12/15/2017 at 6:20 PM, SheTalksShit said:

Not necessarily, many women in her situation can't stand to be alone or get lonely/bored after a while and find someone new. But Teresa, so far, seems to be sticking it out. It seems like, for Teresa, forever means forever, not just "forever until it becomes difficult." 

bc she's hurt. people who are sensitive and emotional feel things on a deeper level, including hurt, so they tend to react more angrily and vindictively than someone whose insensitive and doesn't give a fuck. 

She's hurt because her friends didn't jump on Margaret for the comment. Then extra hurt because her friends tried to explain what Margaret was trying to say. Siggy did NOT want to hear any of that. She also didn't want to hear Margaret apologize (twice). Thus the silence. I mean really, what could she say to make Margaret look bad? Nada. Siggy wanted to destroy Margaret. Karma...she destroyed herself. 

On 12/15/2017 at 8:48 PM, SheTalksShit said:

Also, I agree w/Delores that Margaret is not anti-Semitic, but she is most certainly anti-Siggy and has been from the start. 

Whio isn't?

Edited December 23, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Martinigirl]

On 12/13/2017 at 10:16 PM, Martinigirl said:

oops

Edited December 23, 2017 by Martinigirl

[SimonSeymour]

On 12/17/2017 at 10:07 AM, Marigold said:

I laughed when Siggy said she was a "Super Jew".  While eating in a non kosher restaurant. 

She was filmed last season learning to be "more Jewish" by beginning to celebrate a Sabbath meal.  Visiting the Holocaust Memorial with her kids, who looked pretty new to the whole topic.

Siggy is free to live her life any way she wants and be any kind of Jew that she wants.  But then lets tone back the "Super Jew" rhetoric. 

Agree. And I’m also Jewish, but I would never describe myself as a “super Jew.”  

I’m guessing she does because of her immediate family Holocaust history and the fact that she was born in Israel and partly grew up there? But, that does NOT make one a “super Jew,” in my opinion. 

I’m a Siggy disliker/bordering on hater. She is unhinged and she needs professional help. I also think she’s a narcissist. It’s ALL about her feelings at ALL times. 

[DebbieM4]

On 12/15/2017 at 4:16 PM, CookieBud said:

I'm Jewish, lost family in the holocaust and didn't take the least bit of offense to what Margaret was saying.  Siggy is just a mess and really needs some professional help.

I'm just catching up, so forgive the lateness of my comment.   I was just about to post the same exact thing.

I'm Jewish also, and most definitely more of a "Super Jew" than Siggy (although I hate that term).   I completely understood Margaret's point, and it was a good one.   I was not offended in the slightest, nor do I think there was the tiniest bit of evidence that she's anti-Semitic.  That's ridiculous.

Siggy's reaction was over-the-top, incredibly immature, and (surprise!) overly dramatic.  I've been in situations where I was offended by what someone said, but there are ways to respond that don't involve screaming, crying, sulking, and relentlessly beating a dead horse.  Her claims of being a relationship expert, super-smart, and G-d's gift to the world is laughable.  She's horrible at relationships, and has no idea how to speak to people.  And in addition to that, she cries, can't sleep,  refuses to participate, and makes tearful phone calls home every time she's offended.  Which is far too often.  I was a counselor for middle-school age students (talk about hormones and hurt feelings!), and I never saw behavior anywhere near this extreme.

Siggy can't function as a regular adult, never mind one who supposedly has the knowledge and experience to help others.   She's not at all entertaining or interesting.  One of the least likeable housewives ever.   

[LilaFowler]

Why is Dolores so angry? She is on the verge of ghetto every second of every day. She's a really ugly, aggressive person. I see why Siggy keeps her around. Always good to have a brainless pit bull at the ready to point toward your perceived enemies.

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 12/15/2017 at 0:46 PM, ghoulina said:

She doesn't kiss Tre's ass because her lips are permanently affixed to Siggy's. 

I think Dolores is still wounded from when she and Frank split and she was apparently cut off from their social circle. I think she likes Siggy, as a friend, because Siggy is very needy and it makes Dolores feel important. And she is so ride-or-die for her, because she's afraid of losing friends again. 

On the nail with your entire post!!! I think thats the EXACT reason theres so much anger and resentment that dolores has towards the gorgas/guidices. She also has alot of caroline traits (as in "loyalty" bullshit that caroline spills). She seems to feel betrayed by teresa before HWs I dont doubt that when it came time to choose sides in the catania divorce, tre has most likely turned her back on dolores, as well as im sure others in a higher social group like u mentioned above. Dolores only shot is to cling onto siggys annoying ass!