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S01.E03: Half a Sheet Cake and a Blue-Raspberry Slushie

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Nelson convinces Bridge to use visualization techniques to improve her life; inspired by Eliza's financial success with an online venture, a broke Bridge takes to Craigslist for some fast cash. 

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Maybe I'm just too old to get this show.  I'm from South Boston, but I don't feel anything of Southie in this show.  As for Bridget..... there are jobs you can get that pay, well not great, but pay money.  You can find a workaround for the childcare, not that it's easy to do, but many do it.  So, the baby daddy has money to squire a new girlfriend about, a new girlfriend who has a job, but doesn't have money to take care of his son, who he insists on co-parenting?   Does he not have a job?  If he doesn't have a job, can't he babysit while Bridget works at a real job?  He can babysit while she goes out hooking?  Not to mention in real life "Larry" is played by twin girls, Anna and Alexandra???? 

It makes no sense.  I don't see this show lasting much longer.  It's just strange. 

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I absolutely loved this episode purely for all the instances of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and misogynistic behaviors displayed. I found it to be so true to life, especially the women's reactions. And I loved Frankie clocking that creep in nice guy's clothing. 

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49 minutes ago, 17wheatthins said:

I absolutely loved this episode purely for all the instances of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and misogynistic behaviors displayed. I found it to be so true to life, especially the women's reactions. And I loved Frankie clocking that creep in nice guy's clothing. 

She answered an ad up on Craig's List from a man looking to have dinner with a woman for $1,000.   She knows Craig's List Code.  He wasn't looking for conversation.  I get she was disappointed and hoped they had connected enough to change his mind, but please.  Men don't pay $1,000 for conversation.

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4 hours ago, Lemons said:

She answered an ad up on Craig's List from a man looking to have dinner with a woman for $1,000.   She knows Craig's List Code.  He wasn't looking for conversation.  I get she was disappointed and hoped they had connected enough to change his mind, but please.  Men don't pay $1,000 for conversation.

He was playing at being a nice guy, and I guess she was seduced a little into the idea that he was interested in her as a person. I don't care how much money a man gives a woman, it doesn't give him the right to finger her underneath a table in a snack bar. 

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1 hour ago, 17wheatthins said:

He was playing at being a nice guy, and I guess she was seduced a little into the idea that he was interested in her as a person. I don't care how much money a man gives a woman, it doesn't give him the right to finger her underneath a table in a snack bar. 

He put an ad up looking for sex.  That's how men find escorts for sex because it's illegal to pay for sex.  He assumed she was an escort, or prostitute, even though she claims it was her first time.  Because that's who answers those ads.  Plus guys who pay for sex can truly be "nice guys."  

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2 hours ago, Lemons said:

He put an ad up looking for sex.  That's how men find escorts for sex because it's illegal to pay for sex.  He assumed she was an escort, or prostitute, even though she claims it was her first time.  Because that's who answers those ads.  Plus guys who pay for sex can truly be "nice guys."  

Of course nice guys can pay for sex. But nice guys do not grab at someone's genitals in a snack bar, plain and simple, especially not without consent. The deal was $300 to "look at her face" and another $300 to get a drink. Also, my main point about sexual assault, harrassment, and misogyny had more to do with the beginning of the episode, where it showed Frankie, Nelson, Eliza etc dealing with different types in different situations. 

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This show is goofy and silly but has enough interesting real life stuff to keep me watching.  She is clearly a directionless single mom which makes for good theater even if it is a bit over the top at times.

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23 hours ago, Lemons said:

She answered an ad up on Craig's List from a man looking to have dinner with a woman for $1,000.   She knows Craig's List Code.  He wasn't looking for conversation.  I get she was disappointed and hoped they had connected enough to change his mind, but please.  Men don't pay $1,000 for conversation.

Yep.

Bridget (is that her name?) knew the deal going in, so I'm a little confused as to why she got upset.   What did she think the man wanted? Where did she expect the evening to go? 
She is too old to be that naive. 

Did she keep the money in the end?  And what was the deal with the basketball and the iPad at the end?  Did she steal them? 

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16 hours ago, 17wheatthins said:

Of course nice guys can pay for sex. But nice guys do not grab at someone's genitals in a snack bar, plain and simple, especially not without consent. The deal was $300 to "look at her face" and another $300 to get a drink. Also, my main point about sexual assault, harrassment, and misogyny had more to do with the beginning of the episode, where it showed Frankie, Nelson, Eliza etc dealing with different types in different situations. 

What the heck does harrassment, assault and misogyny have to do with it?  When you accept money for sex you can expect the man to make a first move. She should have said stop, I changed my mind, and returned the money.  

The show tried to muddy it up a bit but his intentions were clear, especially to a women growing up in south Boston.

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49 minutes ago, Lemons said:

What the heck does harrassment, assault and misogyny have to do with it?  When you accept money for sex you can expect the man to make a first move. She should have said stop, I changed my mind, and returned the money.  

The show tried to muddy it up a bit but his intentions were clear, especially to a women growing up in south Boston.

As I said, I was talking about the beginning of the episode, where Frankie had to look sexy in the shower for her spa she was filming, where Nelson was interviewing the athlete and was laughed at for knowing sports & for having a tight body, etc. 

And, the nice guy and Frankie agreed on: $300 for him to just see her face and $300 for a drink. There was no discussion of any sexual contact whatsoever, so he overstepped his boundaries by a lot. She was compensated for exactly what was agreed upon. 

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4 hours ago, mochamajesty said:

Did she keep the money in the end?  And what was the deal with the basketball and the iPad at the end?  Did she steal them? 

She already had at least the $300 she took in the parking lot for seeing her face. I'm not sure if he gave her the second $300 (for "getting a soda") before she punched him, but since he left immediately, presumably whatever cash he'd given her to that point, she still had. 

Was the green thing an ipad? I thought it was more of a tiny-child-learning-toy-tablet, which she'd previously tried to get her mother to buy Larry. I might be remembering wrong, but I thought in the previous episode Tutu said it was $200? I assume that, instead of using the cash to pay her already late rent, Bridget made the impulsive decision to buy the baby-tablet. Depending on how much cash she already had in hand, that may or may not have left much over. I don't remember anything with a basketball in the store, but if she grabbed one there I assume she bought it with the tablet. Otherwise, the basketball she was dribbling at the very end was probably one she already had, since she is so into basketball. Presuming the creep wasn't lying about the expansion team, she does still suddenly have hope about that open tryout.

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1 hour ago, theatremouse said:

She already had at least the $300 she took in the parking lot for seeing her face. I'm not sure if he gave her the second $300 (for "getting a soda") before she punched him, but since he left immediately, presumably whatever cash he'd given her to that point, she still had. 

Was the green thing an ipad? I thought it was more of a tiny-child-learning-toy-tablet, which she'd previously tried to get her mother to buy Larry. I might be remembering wrong, but I thought in the previous episode Tutu said it was $200? I assume that, instead of using the cash to pay her already late rent, Bridget made the impulsive decision to buy the baby-tablet. Depending on how much cash she already had in hand, that may or may not have left much over. I don't remember anything with a basketball in the store, but if she grabbed one there I assume she bought it with the tablet. Otherwise, the basketball she was dribbling at the very end was probably one she already had, since she is so into basketball. Presuming the creep wasn't lying about the expansion team, she does still suddenly have hope about that open tryout.

It wasn't an actual iPad, sorry,  it was a toy. And I thought she grabbed the basketball with it on the way out. I hope she didn't blow the money on that, but knowing her, she did.

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2 hours ago, theatremouse said:

She already had at least the $300 she took in the parking lot for seeing her face. I'm not sure if he gave her the second $300 (for "getting a soda") before she punched him, but since he left immediately, presumably whatever cash he'd given her to that point, she still had. 

Was the green thing an ipad? I thought it was more of a tiny-child-learning-toy-tablet, which she'd previously tried to get her mother to buy Larry. I might be remembering wrong, but I thought in the previous episode Tutu said it was $200? I assume that, instead of using the cash to pay her already late rent, Bridget made the impulsive decision to buy the baby-tablet. Depending on how much cash she already had in hand, that may or may not have left much over. I don't remember anything with a basketball in the store, but if she grabbed one there I assume she bought it with the tablet. Otherwise, the basketball she was dribbling at the very end was probably one she already had, since she is so into basketball. Presuming the creep wasn't lying about the expansion team, she does still suddenly have hope about that open tryout.

Yeah, it was the learning tablet she wanted for Larry. I think she also bought the basketball for herself, to practice for the open tryouts for the pro team. It was irresponsible to be sure, but I got the feeling she was trying to "launder" the money she earned through sketchy means. 

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21 hours ago, 17wheatthins said:

Yeah, it was the learning tablet she wanted for Larry. I think she also bought the basketball for herself, to practice for the open tryouts for the pro team. It was irresponsible to be sure, but I got the feeling she was trying to "launder" the money she earned through sketchy means. 

You can deposit up to $10,000 in cash before it needs to be laundered.  

 

On 11/22/2017 at 4:09 PM, 17wheatthins said:

And, the nice guy and Frankie agreed on: $300 for him to just see her face and $300 for a drink. There was no discussion of any sexual contact whatsoever, so he overstepped his boundaries by a lot. She was compensated for exactly what was agreed upon. 

Any adult with 1/2 a brain would understand the money was for sex.  It's illegal to buy sex so men buy a woman dinner and their is an unspoken agreement that it's for sex.  She's not some naive hick who grew up in Amish Country.    

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1 hour ago, Lemons said:

You can deposit up to $10,000 in cash before it needs to be laundered.  

 

Any adult with 1/2 a brain would understand the money was for sex.  It's illegal to buy sex so men buy a woman dinner and their is an unspoken agreement that it's for sex.  She's not some naive hick who grew up in Amish Country.    

Okay, obviously I was not talking about actual money laundering. I was talking about her using the money she got from shady "see your face" and "have one drink with me" dealings to buy a gift for her son that he could conceivably use as a learning tool, and a basketball for herself to practice for the open tryouts. 

And again, there was co discussion of any sexual contact whatsoever; earlier in the episode, Eliza did tell Frankie that there are a lot of men who are happy pay to watch her (Eliza) eat, and that no sex is involved. It is perfectly understandable and logical that Frankie would take the nice guy's intentions at face value. Not once did either of them talk about anything sexual, and he thrust his arm under the table toward her genitals without any consent whatsoever. 

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3 hours ago, 17wheatthins said:

Okay, obviously I was not talking about actual money laundering. I was talking about her using the money she got from shady "see your face" and "have one drink with me" dealings to buy a gift for her son that he could conceivably use as a learning tool, and a basketball for herself to practice for the open tryouts. 

And again, there was co discussion of any sexual contact whatsoever; earlier in the episode, Eliza did tell Frankie that there are a lot of men who are happy pay to watch her (Eliza) eat, and that no sex is involved. It is perfectly understandable and logical that Frankie would take the nice guy's intentions at face value. Not once did either of them talk about anything sexual, and he thrust his arm under the table toward her genitals without any consent whatsoever. 

And I think it devastated her.  We know her father molested her, and her step-father is a lump in a chair.  Here was a guy old enough to be her father, ostensibly sharing his own problems, clicking with her and even encouraging her to follow her dream.  At the peak of all of this, as she's glowing and built up, he gropes her genitals.  In her mind, sex had been taken off the table, and tbh, I thought he was just a lonely man looking to talk.  And once he earns a certain amount of her trust, he essentially molests her.  Like her father.   I refuse to blame her for an unasked for, and unconsented to pussy-grab.  

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On 11/22/2017 at 2:03 PM, mochamajesty said:

Yep.

Bridget (is that her name?) knew the deal going in, so I'm a little confused as to why she got upset.   What did she think the man wanted? Where did she expect the evening to go? 
She is too old to be that naive. 

Did she keep the money in the end?  And what was the deal with the basketball and the iPad at the end?  Did she steal them? 

She used the money she just received from the guy to buy Larry the learning tablet and a basketball for herself.

 

16 hours ago, Lemons said:

You can deposit up to $10,000 in cash before it needs to be laundered.  

 

Any adult with 1/2 a brain would understand the money was for sex.  It's illegal to buy sex so men buy a woman dinner and their is an unspoken agreement that it's for sex.  She's not some naive hick who grew up in Amish Country.    

 

I am not aware of any of this on a first-person basis, BUT I was just listening to a podcast (I think), and there was a discussion about how there are actually many many men out there who will pay women to just be seen with them, or just to meet up for a hello.  Seriously!  It sounds crazy to me, but it is a thing.  No sex is involved.  

There are some men who will ask a pretty woman for her Amazon wish list, just so he can buy her things.  They never meet up, no sex involved, just men with money who want to buy things for pretty ladies.

Hey, if I was young and broke, and looked like I used to in my 20s, I can't say I would not be looking at these as options. 

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11 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

And I think it devastated her.  We know her father molested her, and her step-father is a lump in a chair.  Here was a guy old enough to be her father, ostensibly sharing his own problems, clicking with her and even encouraging her to follow her dream.  At the peak of all of this, as she's glowing and built up, he gropes her genitals.  In her mind, sex had been taken off the table, and tbh, I thought he was just a lonely man looking to talk.  And once he earns a certain amount of her trust, he essentially molests her.  Like her father.   I refuse to blame her for an unasked for, and unconsented to pussy-grab.  

I can understand the way she felt, but that was on her.  It was a misunderstanding because he assumed she was willing to have sex since she took the money. Two people who have no idea what the other is thinking.  This was not her father. She is not a child.  He didn't need to "earn her trust" because they had already committed to a transaction.  Or so he thought. She was incredibly stupid. 

34 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I am not aware of any of this on a first-person basis, BUT I was just listening to a podcast (I think), and there was a discussion about how there are actually many many men out there who will pay women to just be seen with them, or just to meet up for a hello.  Seriously!  It sounds crazy to me, but it is a thing.  No sex is involved.  

There are some men who will ask a pretty woman for her Amazon wish list, just so he can buy her things.  They never meet up, no sex involved, just men with money who want to buy things for pretty ladies.

Hey, if I was young and broke, and looked like I used to in my 20s, I can't say I would not be looking at these as options. 

Webcam girls use Amazon wishlists for their performances.   Nothing is for free. Those women aren't honest about not doing anything.  The women get the men with topless pictures or bathing suit pictures.  They get these lonely men to buy them something small and then the rip offs begin.  They have 1-800 phone numbers where the men can call them for $2 a minute.  They milk these men dry and then snag a new one.  Amazon is constantly deleting sex worker's Wish Lists.  

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22 hours ago, Lemons said:

I can understand the way she felt, but that was on her.  It was a misunderstanding because he assumed she was willing to have sex since she took the money. Two people who have no idea what the other is thinking.  This was not her father. She is not a child.  He didn't need to "earn her trust" because they had already committed to a transaction.  Or so he thought. She was incredibly stupid. 

Webcam girls use Amazon wishlists for their performances.   Nothing is for free. Those women aren't honest about not doing anything.  The women get the men with topless pictures or bathing suit pictures.  They get these lonely men to buy them something small and then the rip offs begin.  They have 1-800 phone numbers where the men can call them for $2 a minute.  They milk these men dry and then snag a new one.  Amazon is constantly deleting sex worker's Wish Lists.  

There are actually men willing to buy things for women without sex exchange.  It's true, it's a thing.

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The victim blaming in this forum is appalling.

Bridgette agreed to only having the man see her face. She then agreed to have a soda with him. At no time did she agree to any type of sexual interaction. She was assaulted, period.

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I wasn't crazy about the first episode, but we're in the lull after Christmas so I figured eh, I'll give it a few more episodes to see if the show gets any better. This was definitely the best of the first three episodes overall, but she definitely had me when she punched that guy in the face.

No, she did not consent to sex or being touched, and she most definitely did not consent to being fingered in public. He offered $300 to see her face in person. He then offered her $300 to go have a drink. That's it.

And yes, there are plenty of people who buy things for women and give them money without any sex or nudity involved. One example: lots of bloggers post their wishlists and have virtual tip jars on their websites and people who have never met them in person (or received nude photos) gladly give them money and buy the items on their wishlists.

On 11/22/2017 at 4:19 PM, theatremouse said:

Was the green thing an ipad? I thought it was more of a tiny-child-learning-toy-tablet, which she'd previously tried to get her mother to buy Larry. I might be remembering wrong, but I thought in the previous episode Tutu said it was $200?

Tutu said three ninety nine, but because they were at the grocery store, I assumed she meant $3.99, not $399, and for that reason I thought it was just a toy that resembled a tablet (like you press the buttons and it says words or something simple like that).

I finally realized why Eliza looks so familiar - she was Becca on Huge (a really underrated show by one of the creators of My So-Called Life)!

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