S12.E19: Season Finale: Candle Wicks and Lunatics

[Kiki777]

3 minutes ago, Martinigirl said:

 

How many mgs of xanax is Peggy taking? 

 

I'm getting the feeling that this is her true (lack of) personality and not drugs.

[ivygirl]

REALLY? After all that talk about de-balling her husband, NOW Lydia wants another baby? UGH. 

Kelly and Shannon could be a cute pair next season.

BTW was that Heather McDonald behind Tamra in her "goodbye" scene?

Edited November 14, 2017 by ivygirl

[chick binewski]

Between Vicki pretending she wasn't pursuing Brooks while she was married to Donn, Kelly winding up her season by gaslighting her husband and Meghan acting like Jim remembers they actually have ONE baby I'm glad this season is done.  

[Kiki777]

2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Kelly and Shannon could be a cute pair next season.

I am loving them together, the callback to their argument at the 70s party had me cracking up.

Hey! No Archie today!  Dammit I needed one last puppy fix.

[Straycat80]

Vicki giving relationship advice *eye roll*. 

This season was not  the best by far but not the worst ( the one with Carlton was IMO). 

I hope they don't bring back Peggy and Lydiot because they are so infuriating to watch. I hope they don't bring back Meaghan because she's boring. 

Shannon and Kelly will be back for the divorce drama and Tamra and Vicki will return I think mainly because they have been on the show for so long. 

On to the long, drawn out reunions where everything that happened will be rehashed over and over and over...

Edited November 14, 2017 by Straycat80

[b2H]

Not that drawn out for the reunions.  Probably only two episodes because the new Shep show begins on the 3rd, I think....

[Martinigirl]

Just now, Kiki777 said:

I am loving them together, the callback to their argument at the 70s party had me cracking up.

Hey! No Archie today!  Dammit I needed one last puppy fix.

WHO?

IT WAS YOU!

WHO?

YOU!

WHO? 

YOU!

[VedaPierce]

Wow! That speech Meghan gave at her awful candle party, was so incredibly moving. Such depth. So much feeling. So much thought and care went into those words. I need to compose myself.

[Martinigirl]

That's one way to get off "the pill"

[b2H]

1 minute ago, Martinigirl said:

That's one way to get off "the pill"

One way for ‘the pill’ to get off the pill.  

[VedaPierce]

Kelly is amusing this season, but I can't stand how hard she's working to gaslight her husband. She's practically screaming about him being so horrible and mean, and her looks of contempt and repulsion thrown at him, while he does nothing at all offensive is so crazy. The guy is the most mild-mannered of all of them, and looks like he's always trying to walk on eggshells around her. I'm glad she's divorcing him. He deserves a nice woman that appreciates him. No one should have to live with such a nasty bitch. 

[Pickles]

I am surprised Brianna and her husband are moving to NC.

[SnarkAttack]

None of the dresses were good, yikes.  I miss Heather's style.

I like Meghan, wish she'd be back.  I love Shannon, hope she blossoms next season.

Kelly's unhappiness in her marriage really comes across; no acting there.

I think part of Peggy's issue is that she's self-conscious in front of the cameras.  A deer in the headlights, freezes up and all thoughts leave her brain.

I love Eddie.

[mbaywife123]

My hopes IF there is another season:

Vicki: Gone, and thank goodness that Bri and family are moving away from her and the OC so we should not be seeing them on camera anytime soon if they defrost her again next season.

Tamra: Back again, but please stop talking about your children, they don't like it, shut up already. Hang out with Shannon & Kelly and let the fun begin.

Shannon: Back again, divorced and having fun dating and hi jinx with Tamra and Kelly.

Kelly: Back also and divorced having a good time as listed above with Tamra & Shannon. But please no more of your "dusty muffin" mom.

Megan: ?

Lydia: Gone.

Peggy: Gone.

Hopeful for a fun ride next season with no stupid women on women bullshit (looking at you Andy, STOP already).

[Caseysgirl]

I couldn't dislike these people any more. Hate is too strong a word because they really aren't worthy of that much emotion. It's so obvious that Diko wants this so much more than Peggy does and she cannot decide what she's supposed to be upset about.  Meanwhile, Shannon, it is so easy to push your buttons that if I were in your social circle I would stay clear of you. David was already checked out by this episode and probably had his divorce papers in his back pocket. Kelly has no self awareness at all. All the things she says about Michael are true of her. Hope she'll be happy because she doesn't seem like she would be much of a hot commodity in the dating circles. She's not easy to be with. Vicky's boyfriend Steve is very nice but too normal and nice; I don't think he's filling  her love tank as much as she would like.  Meghan and Jim seem to have come to a detente; he'll let her have her babies and her business if she'll leave him to travel and play golf. Lydia - good bye.  Tamra and Eddie seem to be doing well; so sad that she and her daughter can't seem to make it work.  If this show gets renewed it needs a revamp!

[Cherrio]

Was David wearing a nehru jacket?

Bravo:  Give the show a huge enema, then we will be rid of those pieces of shit Vicki, Peggy and Lydia.

Give Vicki a parting gift casserole made out of Doug's balls.

[Jextella]

2 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

I couldn't dislike these people any more. Hate is too strong a word because they really aren't worthy of that much emotion. It's so obvious that Diko wants this so much more than Peggy does and she cannot decide what she's supposed to be upset about.  Meanwhile, Shannon, it is so easy to push your buttons that if I were in your social circle I would stay clear of you. David was already checked out by this episode and probably had his divorce papers in his back pocket. Kelly has no self awareness at all. All the things she says about Michael are true of her. Hope she'll be happy because she doesn't seem like she would be much of a hot commodity in the dating circles. She's not easy to be with. Vicky's boyfriend Steve is very nice but too normal and nice; I don't think he's filling  her love tank as much as she would like.  Meghan and Jim seem to have come to a detente; he'll let her have her babies and her business if she'll leave him to travel and play golf. Lydia - good bye.  Tamra and Eddie seem to be doing well; so sad that she and her daughter can't seem to make it work.  If this show gets renewed it needs a revamp!

I second so much of what you say here - with an ephasis on divorce papers in David's back pocket (hysterical)!

I thought the ending of the show was interesting and kind of fun.  This group of whack jobs, with nothing in common among any of them, standing around in a circle - getting along FOR ONCE.

It was so odd that a big part of me now wants them all to return to see them rise to the challenge of working through their junk.  The reunion will be the tell-tale though!

Edited November 14, 2017 by Jextella

[CrinkleCutCat]

Wait.... Vicki called her ex husband DoM. Twice! I thought his name is Don?!

And Lydiot obserbed something in her last TH. Sheesh.

Edited November 14, 2017 by CrinkleCutCat
To make it clear this was not a typo but her mispronunciation!

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, b2H said:

She has the absurd air of superiority as though she is the smartest person in the room, when she is honestly the nastiest, stupidest one in the room.  If true that she is not coming back, I won’t miss her one bit.  She is a vile person.

Peggy feels superior because she is the most fluent in her Armenian Women's English conversation group. It's like being the world's best t-ball player with no freaking clue that the MLB exists.

Edited November 14, 2017 by HunterHunted

[inandout]

11 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Kelly is amusing this season, but I can't stand how hard she's working to gaslight her husband. She's practically screaming about him being so horrible and mean, and her looks of contempt and repulsion thrown at him, while he does nothing at all offensive is so crazy. The guy is the most mild-mannered of all of them, and looks like he's always trying to walk on eggshells around her. I'm glad she's divorcing him. He deserves a nice woman that appreciates him. No one should have to live with such a nasty bitch. 

It's all about Kelly's out of control ego.  Just because she's on TV now, she thinks Michael isn't cool enough for her.  Just like Vicki - who kicked good guy Donn out - and exchanged him for con man Brooks. 

Michael will be much better without her - and hopefully he has an iron clad prenup that will ice Kelly out.

Edited November 14, 2017 by ifoundit

[AttackTurtle]

I'm dying to see Meghan/anyone go after Lydia.  Based on Lydia`s blog, she was caught off guard by the opinions of some of the ladies.  

I love Shannon.  She has no filter and cannot control her emotions and she could give two f's.  Kelly and she have all these things in common, but Kelly is crude.  

Please let this be the end of Vicki. Lydia & Peggy.

[NeverLate]

Wow, Kelly is just flat out rude to Michael. She wants out of her marriage faster than David wants out of his. That's why the breast reduction,so they are perky, still healing my @ss! Plus the vaginal rejuvenation.

You cannot fool us Kelly!

Loving Shannon!!lol!

[njbchlover]

Who knew that Vicki had a "business partner"?  And, an actual board of directors which Micheal is now a part of (who was that other guy)?  Surprise, surprise....

[LilaFowler]

I felt for Shannon tonight on WWHL. She got choked up when she reported that David had taken his wedding ring off.

Vicki is so dumb, thinking that all is well and she's back in the cool girl group. She didn't bother to apologize to Eddie so Tamra's back on the warpath. I'm sure that will come out in the reunion.

[NeverLate]

Tamra's dress was ugly, and her making up with her daughter lasted one meal. One! 

Peggy's dress, also ugly, please let her and Dick go, we don't need them. Balls off now, his wife, wants another baby. I think she's jealous of the gorgeous Meghan.

Vicki, talking relationship, too bloody funny!

[Marley]

Kelly is obv crazy but I feel Ike Michael isn’t some innocent in all this. I can see him being a mega jerk behind the scenes. Kelly and Shannon together were cracking me up. I hope they stay being friends. 

Peggy and Lydia need to go. 

[hoosier80]

So Coto Insurance has a board of directors?  And surprise, surprise, her son Michael is now on the board.  Even Helen Keller would've seen that coming.  And they all have to wear headsets at work?  They have that many calls into an insurance agency?  We have a regular call center where I work, so those folks will have headsets on most, if not all the time.  A few others who are on long conference calls will wear headsets (and pace around - a big pet peeve) some times.  Then when the partners or whomever they were cane into the meeting room, I saw Shah - and did a double take.  I was like oh no, don't tell me it's a crossover with the Shahs show.  I don't think it was.  Michael looked just thrilled; he looks like a trapped animal.  I bet he'd be happier working somewhere else.

Peggy, you're a moron.  Diko tried to squash the issue with David and Shannon.  He basically tried to make nice.  (You just know Diko is so pissed at her for blowing it and losing her orange.) Then Peggy says oh no I didn't say I was hurt.  Cue editors with clip of her saying, "I was hurt, hurt, hurt".   Then she says oh I said I was hurt.  I'd be having such headaches being around her, from the constant whiplash.   Yes, yes, yes.  No, no, no.   I just say GO, GO, GO.  Translation:  leave, scoot, vamoose, drive away in one of your cars, go by bye,   Take Lydia with you.  And the Coto President, too.

Tamra, your daughter had you at the graduation, but I don't think she's ready for you to be back in her life full time.  Not sure I blame her, either. 

Lydia was sure jumping on the Shannon is crazy train.  Nice Christian values, but she wanted or needed a nice big paycheck.  Shannon, you're better off without David.  I think I might be screaming like a banshee with all these fake, crazy broads saying shit about me 24/7.  

Kelly, if you're that unhappy, get out.  Do not take advice from Vicki about relationships.  Just do not.

[Misslindsey]

This season was such a chore to get through. This episode basically had everyone apologize to each other with flashbacks every other moment. It was boring the first time I watched it, so watching the flashbacks made it even more dull. I am going to try to make it through the reunion. I wish someone would go at Lydia and Peggy harder, but I doubt it.

Kelly seemed so hostile with Michael during her previous seasons as well. Didn't she leave him at a Costco or something? She always seemed to be having issues with Michael, but it seemed like a lot of her hostility toward him was on the back burner this season until this the past couple of episodes.

I would not mind seeing Tamra, Shannon, or Kelly again next season. I can tolerate Kelly more when she is not around Vicki. Meghan I do not mind, but she really did not do anything much this season. Though if next season gives Meghan PI something to do I would be all in for her returning. I really want Peggy, Lydia, and Vicki gone. I doubt Vicki will ever be fired though. The only past housewife I would welcome back is Heather. The others not so much.

[mbaywife123]

See all of you wonderful posters next week at the reunion.

Chicken or beef and how may drink tickets do we get?

[SheTalksShit]

I've had enough of Peggy. She talks in riddles, she's not clear in what she says, she blames it on language barrier but then we find out she's been in this country since she was a year old...this bitch is a weirdo. 

[HunterHunted]

I think it's so interesting that the season preview footage showed Peggy and her family marching about the Armenian genocide, but I don't think that footage ever aired. The producers thought repetitive arguments about Peggy's cancer and whether Shannon was having issues with other wives were more interesting than any footage Peggy could deliver.

[remmybrat]

Did any one else think as, I do Kelly's mom's make over was a waste of good money? She didn't look any different tome.

[SheTalksShit]

26 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

This season was such a chore to get through. This episode basically had everyone apologize to each other with flashbacks every other moment. It was boring the first time I watched it, so watching the flashbacks made it even more dull. I am going to try to make it through the reunion. I wish someone would go at Lydia and Peggy harder, but I doubt it.

Kelly seemed so hostile with Michael during her previous seasons as well. Didn't she leave him at a Costco or something? She always seemed to be having issues with Michael, but it seemed like a lot of her hostility toward him was on the back burner this season until this the past couple of episodes.

I would not mind seeing Tamra, Shannon, or Kelly again next season. I can tolerate Kelly more when she is not around Vicki. Meghan I do not mind, but she really did not do anything much this season. Though if next season gives Meghan PI something to do I would be all in for her returning. I really want Peggy, Lydia, and Vicki gone. I doubt Vicki will ever be fired though. The only past housewife I would welcome back is Heather. The others not so much.

I could do without Peggy bc I just don't understand wtf she's talking about and Lydia is just kind of a random and too conservative, IMO, for this show. 

I like Vicki. Not a fan of Tamra but she knows how to bring it, drama-wise. Shannon is ok - horrible judgement but I like how open and honest she is about literally everything in her life. She is an open book, nothing is off-limits for her and that is why she is perfect for reality tv lol. Meghan is ok, I like her but I feel like she made a huge splash her first season with the whole Brooks thing and since then has just been coasting by without really doing much of anything. Kelly is cool, I like that she seems to be a loyal friend and I like that she's candid. 

[ivygirl]

7 minutes ago, remmybrat said:

Did any one else think as, I do Kelly's mom's make over was a waste of good money? She didn't look any different tome.

They’ve been shilling that priv service on nearly every Bravo show this season. So I guess you’re saying this wasn’t a great ad? ;)

[film noire]

2 hours ago, Pickles said:

I am surprised Brianna and her husband are moving to NC.

Me, too (it's only 2500 miles away, not nearly far enough from Vicki ; )

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This season was such a chore to get through

A joyless chore (minus the commentary in here). The finale was beyond boring, imo. (Somebody mentioned John Hughes in last week's thread, and this ep felt like a middle aged version of  teen hijinks - "We realized we're all a drunk, a punk, a skunk, in a funk, or a chipmunk - actually, only one of us is a chipmunk...") 

Who gets your "bitch" sash for the season?  (I'm converting "bitch" to the positive usage {Babe In Total Charge of Herself} just to spite Tamra  -- and subvert the patriarchy!  -- it's a twofer! :)

My top three nominees are:

Kelly: She wore down my profound dislike and brought me to my feet, slow clapping her salty language and pickpocketty, magpie-mouth street urchin ways (she's like Eliza Doolittle if Eliza had big boobs, a belly full of vodka, and never became a lady).

Shannon:  Putting her middle aged body on display completely disarmed me. Genuine standing ovation for that. And then, of course, came my dream date, ShanBret: all swagger and easy confidence (everything Shannon never shows but clearly possesses, buried under all that self pity, rage, fear -- and 210 pounds of husband).

Aspen - total control over herself, in charge of every scene she was in, absolute babe of a baby. Aspen for the win!

Edited November 14, 2017 by film noire

[RedheadZombie]

I found it interesting that when Tamra was apologizing to Diko, he tried to grab her elbow and she moved away, closer to David.  Loved David excusing himself from the scene.  No one's to be around Peggy and Diko.  LOL.  

Diko IS a little bitch, Tamra.  Don't apologize.

[biakbiak]

I am curious why Michael doesn't like David because he specifically said David not Shannon. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

Dikko was having none of that when Peggy wanted to leave the party early....none of it!

[film noire]

1 minute ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Dikko was having none of that when Peggy wanted to leave the party early....none of it!

And she always does what he says! Because his fatherhusband words are so wise!

[NeverLate]

20 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I am curious why Michael doesn't like David because he specifically said David not Shannon. 

Because of the things he said at their party, where Kelly called Shannon Mrs Roper.

[biakbiak]

3 minutes ago, NeverLate said:

Because of the things he said at their party, where Kelly called Shannon Mrs Roper.

They have hung out several times since then and most of that was more Shannon and Kelly as demonstrated by there jokey convo this evening.

Lydia is done based on her boring recap.

[ivygirl]

35 minutes ago, film noire said:

Who gets your "bitch" sash for the season?  (I'm converting "bitch" to the positive usage {Babe In Total Charge of Herself} just to spite Tamra  -- and subvert the patriarchy!  -- it's a twofer! :)

Archie. Best Supporting Player With a Ball on a Real Housewives Show since Kyle's Bambi on RHOBH. 

[NeverLate]

Just now, biakbiak said:

They have hinges out several times since then and most of that was Shannon and Kelly.

Oh, I thought they got up in Davids face, anyway they mentioned Mrs Roper again tonight..

[ivygirl]

16 minutes ago, film noire said:

And she always does what he says! Because his fatherhusband words are so wise!

Which is why she should take his advice on hair product! ;)

[biakbiak]

2 minutes ago, NeverLate said:

Oh, I thought they got up in Davids face, anyway they mentioned Mrs Roper again tonight..

Right Shannon and Kelly mentioned it a joking friendly way so it doesn't explain Michael's issue with David.

[SoCal4Us]

5 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Heard a former housewife  is coming back next season.

I hope Shannon smacks that smug look off of Peggy's face tonight! 

Do you know which one?  Hope it's Heather.

[lunastartron]

Shannon is a pig. And despite their maliciousness during season nine, I've come to realize that Heather and Tamra were fundamentally correct re initially clocking her for a pathetic drunk. Abstractly, I know there's a vast difference, morally speaking, between Vicki's transgressions and those of Shannon but I find them equally repellent. It's just so gross to watch Shannon be celebrated and coddled by her co-stars and Andy alike after she spent the past four years doing such casually nasty stuff like telling David she needed to be more intoxicated to endure the St. Regis getaway he planned (and then wondering why he isn't plying her with romance and sexual overtures); stumbling drunkenly out of multiple parties while sobbing and cursing; hurling plates at cast mates; admitting she physically assaulted her husband during a blackout; and literally crying because said husband took her out to a family dinner for their anniversary and gave her a necklace that wasn't to her liking. She is monstrously spoiled and her behavior on anyone over ten - let alone 53 - is not normal. 

Maybe the hormone treatments accounted for the (slightly) less histrionic performance she delivered at the finale party? 

Kelly, meanwhile, has revealed herself to be much dumber than I initially thought. Whatever her husband does off-camera, I've never seen him try to publicly humiliate her on-camera; in fact, he has been unfailingly supportive of her during her spree of conflicts with the other women. If she thinks she's going to support herself, her mom, her brother, and her daughter on her show salary and the sale of the house in perpetuity in anything approaching a comparable fashion to what she enjoys now, she's an idiot. 

I had to chuckle at Tamra's remark that she's changed so much in the past decade. I guess no longer orchestrating sexual assaults on colleagues constitutes progress but she's still pumping out Sydney for her own benefit. If only there was a cast member really willing to take it to her on that point since she seems to want to make it a storyline so badly.

I don't think Vicki adds any drama whatsoever to the show and I didn't even notice that she was absent from most of the scenes. Her counsel to Kelly was bizarre and basically amounted to an admission that she craved sexual gratification so badly she prioritized it over her marital vows. 

I found Meghan innocuous until the preview of her attacking Lydia for consulting the Bible in making life choices. Also, did anyone notice that Meghan was absent from the list of friends that Shannon enumerated on WWHL? She said she was not done with Kelly or Tamra but everyone else. Wonder if she forgot Meghan or if they've had a falling out. 

I am perhaps the sole Peggy fan on this board. I find it amusing that she seems to dispense entirely with narrative continuity and/or any consistency whatsoever and has no compunction about contradicting herself from one breath to the next. I don't know if the accent and lack of linguistic fluency are put-ons but, if they aren't, I don't think either comprise reflections on her intellect. She reminds me of Melania Trump who is often maligned as stupid but speaks five languages - Peggy says she speaks four and, if she's been raised in cultural insularity, it makes sense she has thicker dialectical characteristics that may fluctuate. 

I also think it's a positive when people have immense cultural pride. It's a bit troubling when that is cast as a negative. But I've often found the franchise at large unsettling in that the rarity of diversity usually results in a gang up of a majority-white alliance on a ethnic minority. 

Lydia is very much an afterthought at this juncture. I will say that I don't see a Vicki, Tamra, Shannon, and Kelly core being all that compelling moving forward. That was the base this year and the season was like watching paint dry for the most part. 

 

2 hours ago, hoosier80 said:

So Coto Insurance has a board of directors?  And surprise, surprise, her son Michael is now on the board.  Even Helen Keller would've seen that coming.  And they all have to wear headsets at work?  They have that many calls into an insurance agency?  We have a regular call center where I work, so those folks will have headsets on most, if not all the time.  A few others who are on long conference calls will wear headsets (and pace around - a big pet peeve) some times.  Then when the partners or whomever they were cane into the meeting room, I saw Shah - and did a double take.  I was like oh no, don't tell me it's a crossover with the Shahs show.  I don't think it was.  Michael looked just thrilled; he looks like a trapped animal.  I bet he'd be happier working somewhere else.

Peggy, you're a moron.  Diko tried to squash the issue with David and Shannon.  He basically tried to make nice.  (You just know Diko is so pissed at her for blowing it and losing her orange.) Then Peggy says oh no I didn't say I was hurt.  Cue editors with clip of her saying, "I was hurt, hurt, hurt".   Then she says oh I said I was hurt.  I'd be having such headaches being around her, from the constant whiplash.   Yes, yes, yes.  No, no, no.   I just say GO, GO, GO.  Translation:  leave, scoot, vamoose, drive away in one of your cars, go by bye,   Take Lydia with you.  And the Coto President, too.

Tamra, your daughter had you at the graduation, but I don't think she's ready for you to be back in her life full time.  Not sure I blame her, either. 

Lydia was sure jumping on the Shannon is crazy train.  Nice Christian values, but she wanted or needed a nice big paycheck.  Shannon, you're better off without David.  I think I might be screaming like a banshee with all these fake, crazy broads saying shit about me 24/7.  

Kelly, if you're that unhappy, get out.  Do not take advice from Vicki about relationships.  Just do not.

This just made me think of Meghan and Tamra supporting Shannon after the "do your trust your husband" fight. Meghan tried to criticize Peggy by noting, "she didn't even say anything."

Before Shannon cut her off and screamed, "Because I did all the talking, is that what you're saying!?!?!"

Shannon's hysteria reached full-throttle delusion this season at times. 

 

All my subjective opinion. 

Just now, SoCal4Us said:

Do you know which one?  Hope it's Heather.

This rumor was on Twitter earlier sans identification, too. 

Logically, if true, I think it could only really be Heather. With Alexis a very distant and unlikely second. 

[LilaFowler]

Is Jeana Keough a possibility? I imagine the producers are still trying to find allies for Vicki to film with.

[diadochokinesis]

30 minutes ago, SoCal4Us said:

Do you know which one?  Hope it's Heather.

I would love for it to be Heather but I don't see her returning if Vicki is still on the show due to the crap that Vicki was spreading about people dying on Terry's OR table.  I would take it as a sign that Vicki is off if Heather comes back. 

[SheTalksShit]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

I am curious why Michael doesn't like David because he specifically said David not Shannon. 

interesting. I didn't see that part.