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1 hour ago, devilhalo said:

I wouldn’t call Firefly a loser. It may have lasted for only 13 eps but is still talked about almost 20 years later.

Yeah, I love Firefly - I was talking about commercially successful series - not quality.  Might have worded that wrong.

 

Anyway, happy for him.

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Will The Rookie Season 3 Bring Lucy/ Tim Romance? Showrunner Warns That Would Be a 'Huge Line' to Cross

The dynamic between The Rookie‘s Officer Lucy Chen and TO Tim Bradford may have warmed up some during Season 2 of ABC’s light procedural, but that “intimacy” likely won’t segue anytime soon into romance.

From go, Tim (played by Eric Winter) was a gruff, all-business TO committed to cutting his “boot” little slack, all in the name of shaping Lucy (Melissa O’Neil) to be the best officer she can be. But in Season 2, Lucy’s very close brush with death, at the hands of Rosalind Dyer’s protege, Caleb Wright, affected Tim deeply — in part because he felt responsible for nudging Lucy into what turned out to be the date from Hell. In the aftermath of that harrowing ordeal, Tim seemed different, nurturing almost, especially when at Lucy’s hospital bedside he showed up with what he knew to be her specific take-out food of choice.

The Rookie showrunner Alexi Hawley admits there is now a certain “intimacy” between the TO and rookie, but warns that to take things too far would make hypocrites of the series’ writing staff.

Surveying the “Chenford” dynamic, Hawley told TVLine, “The actors definitely brought it. I mean, they’re just sogood individually and together.” Looking back to the drama’s launch, he said, “Tim was always designed to be a character who was much more complicated than he seemed, and Lucy was always designed to be a really strong ,empathetic character, but I think [what we’ve seen] is the magic of chemistry that happens that you just can’t know when you’re writing a pilot.”

That magic, however, won’t make a workplace romance appear. “We do walk a line — me maybe more than some of the staff —  about how there’s an intimacy between them that’s born from an incredibly heightened experience over these last two seasons,” Hawley noted. “But Tim would never cross that line. She’s his rookie and he would never even consider crossing that line. So while I’m obviously aware that there’s a big ‘shipping there, and I appreciate any kind of passion about the show, that’s a huge line [to cross]” for a TO and his padawan. (Eric Winter said same during a fall 2019 TV Insider interview: “It’s something that Bradford would never organically do, being a superior to her.”)

Hawley then pointed to the Season 1 plot point that cast aspersion on the secret romance between Chen and fellow rookie John Nolan (Nathan Fillion). “We’d be hypocrites [to write a Lucy/Tim romance] because we made it very clear in those first four or five episodes that female officers unfairly get tagged if they sleep with cops, and it’s why Nolan and Lucy couldn’t be together — and ultimately I think that was the right move. I mean, he was on the rebound from a 20-year marriage and she was 20 years his junior, and so it worked out the way it was supposed to, but if we turned around and threw [Lucy and Tim] together, that would be somewhat hypocritical.”

As for what is ahead for Chen and Bradford in Season 3, which will premiere… actually, ABC hasn’t said booabout its 2020-21 scheduling… Hawley shared in our Season 2 post mortem Q&A, “Tim has made a commitment to at least try and figure out what it’s going to be like with Rachel [now living] in New York.” Lucy meanwhile “is at the beginning of this relationship [with firefighter Emmett Lang] — but she’s probably still got some stuff she’s working out, even if it’s subconsciously, about what happened to her with Caleb back only a few months prior. I just don’t want to gloss over that.”

 


 

 

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That's a relief.  I didn't think they'd go that way, and I really thought people shipping Lucy and Tim were kinda crazy for thinking it, because I never thought Tim would cross the line, but this is TV and I suppose anything is possible.  So I'm glad they've come right out and said No.

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Comic Con is going to be free online this year due to COVID-19 so everyone can see Nate Fillion's panel! It hasn't been assigned an official timeslot yet so be sure to check the Comic Con website in the next week or so!

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A Conversation With Nathan Fillion
The Rookie showrunner Alexi Hawley talks with Nathan Fillion about his career in film and television. With special appearances by Joss Whedon, Alan Tudyk, Gina Torres, Mekia Cox, Molly Quinn, Seamus Dever and Jon Huertas.

 

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On 6/8/2020 at 5:59 AM, devilhalo said:

Will The Rookie Season 3 Bring Lucy/ Tim Romance? Showrunner Warns That Would Be a 'Huge Line' to Cross

The dynamic between The Rookie‘s Officer Lucy Chen and TO Tim Bradford may have warmed up some during Season 2 of ABC’s light procedural, but that “intimacy” likely won’t segue anytime soon into romance.

From go, Tim (played by Eric Winter) was a gruff, all-business TO committed to cutting his “boot” little slack, all in the name of shaping Lucy (Melissa O’Neil) to be the best officer she can be. But in Season 2, Lucy’s very close brush with death, at the hands of Rosalind Dyer’s protege, Caleb Wright, affected Tim deeply — in part because he felt responsible for nudging Lucy into what turned out to be the date from Hell. In the aftermath of that harrowing ordeal, Tim seemed different, nurturing almost, especially when at Lucy’s hospital bedside he showed up with what he knew to be her specific take-out food of choice.

The Rookie showrunner Alexi Hawley admits there is now a certain “intimacy” between the TO and rookie, but warns that to take things too far would make hypocrites of the series’ writing staff.

Surveying the “Chenford” dynamic, Hawley told TVLine, “The actors definitely brought it. I mean, they’re just sogood individually and together.” Looking back to the drama’s launch, he said, “Tim was always designed to be a character who was much more complicated than he seemed, and Lucy was always designed to be a really strong ,empathetic character, but I think [what we’ve seen] is the magic of chemistry that happens that you just can’t know when you’re writing a pilot.”

That magic, however, won’t make a workplace romance appear. “We do walk a line — me maybe more than some of the staff —  about how there’s an intimacy between them that’s born from an incredibly heightened experience over these last two seasons,” Hawley noted. “But Tim would never cross that line. She’s his rookie and he would never even consider crossing that line. So while I’m obviously aware that there’s a big ‘shipping there, and I appreciate any kind of passion about the show, that’s a huge line [to cross]” for a TO and his padawan. (Eric Winter said same during a fall 2019 TV Insider interview: “It’s something that Bradford would never organically do, being a superior to her.”)

Hawley then pointed to the Season 1 plot point that cast aspersion on the secret romance between Chen and fellow rookie John Nolan (Nathan Fillion). “We’d be hypocrites [to write a Lucy/Tim romance] because we made it very clear in those first four or five episodes that female officers unfairly get tagged if they sleep with cops, and it’s why Nolan and Lucy couldn’t be together — and ultimately I think that was the right move. I mean, he was on the rebound from a 20-year marriage and she was 20 years his junior, and so it worked out the way it was supposed to, but if we turned around and threw [Lucy and Tim] together, that would be somewhat hypocritical.”

As for what is ahead for Chen and Bradford in Season 3, which will premiere… actually, ABC hasn’t said booabout its 2020-21 scheduling… Hawley shared in our Season 2 post mortem Q&A, “Tim has made a commitment to at least try and figure out what it’s going to be like with Rachel [now living] in New York.” Lucy meanwhile “is at the beginning of this relationship [with firefighter Emmett Lang] — but she’s probably still got some stuff she’s working out, even if it’s subconsciously, about what happened to her with Caleb back only a few months prior. I just don’t want to gloss over that.”

 


 

 

While I'm not a full blown shipper of Chen and Bradford, I thought I would spin a positive light on the article for those who are shippers 🙂  Reading between the lines of the above article stating the show not wanting to cross the line in writing a romantic relationship between a superior and their subordinate,  I could still see the writers addressing the chemistry issue by having one of the 2 characters developing romantic feelings for the other and then not acting on it for the reasons stated in the article.  The show could then revisit the romantic issue between the 2 characters down the line in future seasons when Bradford is no longer Chen's training officer. 

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11 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

While I'm not a full blown shipper of Chen and Bradford, I thought I would spin a positive light on the article for those who are shippers 🙂  Reading between the lines of the above article stating the show not wanting to cross the line in writing a romantic relationship between a superior and their subordinate,  I could still see the writers addressing the chemistry issue by having one of the 2 characters developing romantic feelings for the other and then not acting on it for the reasons stated in the article.  The show could then revisit the romantic issue between the 2 characters down the line in future seasons when Bradford is no longer Chen's training officer. 

Pretty much this. I'm not a shipper for them but I do think they work well together and I dont think people are silly or crazy for thinking or hoping it will happen, even though this isn't a show like Grey's Anatomy where everyone is openly dating a boss/subordinate. It's TV couples, get together even if showrunners have made a big deal about it not happening in other situations. I could definitely see it happening if this show makes it to later seasons. Although Hawley like many showrunners usually seems to like the tease and bait and switch more than writing a long term couple anyway. 

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On 8/28/2020 at 10:14 AM, BlakesMomma said:

Rumor and comments from The Rookie crew indicate principle filming will begin on September 19th, with S3 premiere in late October or November according to Hollywood Reporter. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/abc-pushes-scripted-originals-from-fall-schedule

This should be interesting on how they are able to film around covid-19.  I'm expecting more episodes to feature police car chases and less scenes inside the police station. 

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2 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

I'm expecting more episodes to feature police car chases... 

that end in fiery explosions so nobody needs to get mirandized / handcuffed

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3 hours ago, paigow said:

that end in fiery explosions so nobody needs to get mirandized / handcuffed

Or maybe they'll just start dealing with white collar criminals

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14 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

This should be interesting on how they are able to film around covid-19.  I'm expecting more episodes to feature police car chases and less scenes inside the police station. 

Crazy camera angles so you can't see that there's more than six feet b/w the stunt people during a fight. And lots of extreme close-ups of the actors for reaction shots after "being hit."

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8 hours ago, Loandbehold said:

Crazy camera angles so you can't see that there's more than six feet b/w the stunt people during a fight. And lots of extreme close-ups of the actors for reaction shots after "being hit."

Lol yes !

The Captain's briefing room will always be empty except for our 3 rookies and their TOs appropriately spread out in the room.  The mostly empty briefing room will be explained as everyone else already out on their "assignments".  Rosalind's character will now be Nolan's new informant and she'll show up in each episode by way of either a phone call or Nolan visiting her in jail separated by a safety glass.  Nolan will only talk about his new love interest but we'll never actually see her.  

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3 hours ago, Thomas Crown said:

The mostly empty briefing room will be explained as everyone else already out on their "assignments".

Code for:

  • Quarantined at home / hospital
  • Suspended / fired for attempted murder / murder of unarmed civilians
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Have TPTB stated that stories won't include the police wearing masks? I would guess they wouldn't want to do that because actors need to act with their faces, but I just wondered.

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2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Have TPTB stated that stories won't include the police wearing masks? I would guess they wouldn't want to do that because actors need to act with their faces, but I just wondered.

They could wear clear masks - I know a guy with a deaf son. His teachers are going to be wearing clear masks so his son can read their lips during instruction

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In general I think that TV shows that are based in the "real world" (aka, not science fiction or historical pieces) should reflect current political/social realities.  But, I will make an exception for Covid 19.  I do not want to watch tv with all actors masked as they would be in real life.  TV needs to be an escape, so let's just let Hollywood ignore that Covid 19 has ever happened.  How they will go about doing that - from a filming perspective - is beyond me, but I'm sure someone will figure it out. 

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9 hours ago, chaifan said:

In general I think that TV shows that are based in the "real world" (aka, not science fiction or historical pieces) should reflect current political/social realities.  But, I will make an exception for Covid 19.  I do not want to watch tv with all actors masked as they would be in real life.  TV needs to be an escape, so let's just let Hollywood ignore that Covid 19 has ever happened.  How they will go about doing that - from a filming perspective - is beyond me, but I'm sure someone will figure it out. 

I would imagine production wise just a version of the bubbles that professional sports organizations are using.  Story wise since we are going into the third year of the rookies boot year like the 3 year Korean War lasted for 8 years on MASH so just ignore 2020 altogether just like most shows ignore partisan politics. 

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1 hour ago, Raja said:

I would imagine production wise just a version of the bubbles that professional sports organizations are using.  Story wise since we are going into the third year of the rookies boot year like the 3 year Korean War lasted for 8 years on MASH so just ignore 2020 altogether just like most shows ignore partisan politics. 

That makes sense. 

I wonder if this or any shows that are writing for this season did any surveys outside of the writing room asking how viewers would feel about the inclusion of mask use and social distancing included on screen -- whether seen or just talked about, like "it's a good thing we've all tested positive so don't need to wear masks or social distance here at the station" and/or "I sure am glad these clear visors are easy to breathe with and not hot at all" (even though visors are hot IRL).

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12 hours ago, chaifan said:

In general I think that TV shows that are based in the "real world" (aka, not science fiction or historical pieces) should reflect current political/social realities.  But, I will make an exception for Covid 19.  I do not want to watch tv with all actors masked as they would be in real life.  TV needs to be an escape, so let's just let Hollywood ignore that Covid 19 has ever happened.  How they will go about doing that - from a filming perspective - is beyond me, but I'm sure someone will figure it out. 

Amen! I want the escape, I get enough reality in everything else. They just need to be vigilant about testing etc. SWAT seems to be doing fine and they've been filming for a few weeks now.

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ABC has released its scheduled November premiere dates for various returning and new shows, but The Rookie is not among them. Apparently, it is delayed, to premiere "later in the season", whenever that is.

For the record, NBC is having its premieres of both Law & Order: SVU and Law & Order: Organized Crime (the Elliot Stabler spinoff) on November 12th, so I doubt real-life issues are the reason The Rookie is delayed.

But it sounds like it is being pushed to mid season.

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2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

ABC has released its scheduled November premiere dates for various returning and new shows, but The Rookie is not among them. Apparently, it is delayed, to premiere "later in the season", whenever that is.

Some genius decided to stretch one bad episode of CSI / Criminal Minds into a season.... Unsub long haul truck driver murdering along his route...Big Sky will likely get cancelled and need The Rookie to fill in...

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8 hours ago, paigow said:

Some genius decided to stretch one bad episode of CSI / Criminal Minds into a season.... Unsub long haul truck driver murdering along his route...Big Sky will likely get cancelled and need The Rookie to fill in...

Could be used as filler, but Big Sky has the former Tuesday slot that The Rookie started with. Looking at Sunday, its current night, it is dominated by game shows. (As an aside, Big Sky is a "big no" from me, not just because of the creepy premise, but because - fair or not - I still cannot look at poor Katheryn Winnick without seeing Hannah on Bones. )

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12 hours ago, paigow said:

Some genius decided to stretch one bad episode of CSI / Criminal Minds into a season.... Unsub long haul truck driver murdering along his route...Big Sky will likely get cancelled and need The Rookie to fill in...

They are remaking Unsub 1989 the proto CSI/Criminal Minds show staring David Soul (Hutch) of Starsky  and Hutch

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22 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

For the record, NBC is having its premieres of both Law & Order: SVU and Law & Order: Organized Crime (the Elliot Stabler spinoff) on November 12th, so I doubt real-life issues are the reason The Rookie is delayed.

Regarding filming, the L&O shows aren't really known for their high speed chases or fight scenes, so it's probably easier to film in this COVID era. Also, while I believe the rate of infection has come down in California, it's probably still higher than it is in NY. Whether that can have some additional impact on filming, I don't know. But, I'd think the L&O shows could pare down their casts much easier than The Rookie can. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 5:16 PM, Loandbehold said:

Regarding filming, the L&O shows aren't really known for their high speed chases or fight scenes, 

Stabler can safely beat confessions out of dirtbags with 7 ft lengths of pipe / lumber...

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Since it was brought up, I'll go OT for a sec and say, like The Rookie, the Stabler spinoff (unsure about SVU) has been pushed back from its November 12th date. But unlike this show, a reason was given as the show runner exiting and looking for a replacement.

Unsure if the virus issue is playing a role or not...

So...looks like most cop shows are sitting on the bench for a bit.

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16 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Since it was brought up, I'll go OT for a sec and say, like The Rookie, the Stabler spinoff (unsure about SVU) has been pushed back from its November 12th date. But unlike this show, a reason was given as the show runner exiting and looking for a replacement.

Unsure if the virus issue is playing a role or not...

So...looks like most cop shows are sitting on the bench for a bit.

Not really. SVU, Chicago PD, SWAT, NCIS, NCIS:LA, NCIS:New Orleans are all coming back this year. Part 1 of season 5 of  Lucifer also released in Netflix last month. 

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15 hours ago, devilhalo said:

Not really. SVU, Chicago PD, SWAT, NCIS, NCIS:LA, NCIS:New Orleans are all coming back this year. Part 1 of season 5 of  Lucifer also released in Netflix last month. 

tbf Lucifer is different from the shows that are purely cops

Lucifer is the devil is a consultant for the police

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The Rookie (Presented by ENTERTAINMENT ONE)

(Scripted, S1: 20x60 min., S2: 20x60 min., S3: coming soon) In the last push of his rookie year, John Nolan, the oldest rookie in the LAPD, is determined to answer the question: What comes next? As he pieces his life together after the betrayal of his mentor, Nolan will navigate new flames, dangerous cases, and demanding challenges as he searches for clarity on the next chapter of his life.

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3 hours ago, devilhalo said:

The Rookie (Presented by ENTERTAINMENT ONE)

(Scripted, S1: 20x60 min., S2: 20x60 min., S3: coming soon) In the last push of his rookie year, John Nolan, the oldest rookie in the LAPD, is determined to answer the question: What comes next? As he pieces his life together after the betrayal of his mentor, Nolan will navigate new flames, dangerous cases, and demanding challenges as he searches for clarity on the next chapter of his life.

I hope the new season will be better. 

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5 hours ago, Waterston Fan said:

I hope the new season will be better. 

Why has Internal Affairs not kicked him out???

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On 10/9/2020 at 3:28 AM, Waterston Fan said:

I hope the new season will be better. 

Hopefully but my interest went way down as soon as I read “New Flames”. Tired of him having new GFs every season. And it looks like it will be more than one too. 

And it also appears that Grace isn’t coming back as they said “New Flames”. Makes sense as the actress has a new show. 

Also, As per the producer Jon Steinberg Twitter, season 3 will air from January 2021 

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6 hours ago, devilhalo said:

And it also appears that Grace isn’t coming back as they said “New Fames”. Makes sense as the actress has a new show. 

They will make good use of the hospital sets...The new girlfriend will work there as well...

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42 minutes ago, devilhalo said:

I think it might be a bit of an overstatement to say the SEASON will be about BLM. Saying you will be addressing it this season doesn't mean the entire season will be about BLM. I've watched enough series and enough of these pre-season interviews/spoilers to know they start out the season but don't often continue throughout. A lot of that depending on how it is received and ratings, etc.

Just look at that Brandon Routh announcement. It's pretty obvious he is going to be the "bad" cop, but he is only signed for 4 episodes, with the possibility of more.

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28 minutes ago, BlakesMomma said:

I think it might be a bit of an overstatement to say the SEASON will be about BLM. Saying you will be addressing it this season doesn't mean the entire season will be about BLM. I've watched enough series and enough of these pre-season interviews/spoilers to know they start out the season but don't often continue throughout. A lot of that depending on how it is received and ratings, etc.

Just look at that Brandon Routh announcement. It's pretty obvious he is going to be the "bad" cop, but he is only signed for 4 episodes, with the possibility of more.

It was said in the video, they will be covering BLM in every episode this season. 
“We will be covering the issues in every single episode we do this season”. 

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Deadline says they are moving up the hiatus due to positive COVID tests in "Zone A", which apparently includes actors.  Hard to say how many episodes they will be able to produce.

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2 hours ago, devilhalo said:

But they just posted a pic of her on their Twitter. So I am wondering if it means she is back? 

Then perhaps they WEREN'T bailed out. 😉

Ah, I just looked into it and it turns out that they never got a chance to shoot her pilot, so she mentioned back in July that since her schedule was now free, she'd be open to returning for more episodes. Poor The Rookie, they almost avoided the bad Larter PR and now they're going to get it!

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On 12/7/2020 at 11:25 AM, devilhalo said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/how-one-writers-room-is-rethinking-policing-on-tv

 

 "We want to change things for as long as we get to do this show."

I'm pretty sure the audience for cop shows is going to be at least a little bit pro-cop and isn't going to enjoy the anti-cop stories that Hawley appears to be planning.  They won't stay for more than an episode. Maybe the story lines will bring in viewers who don't normally watch cop shows?  But why would they watch either if this isn't their genre.  Maybe I'm naive and really don't understand the market for cop-hating cop shows.  Maybe it's huge? It seems a little too ironic by half.  Realistically, I think The Rookie is gone after this season.  I always thought Fillion was stupid to take a cop show because of the Castle angst.  Now I KNOW he was.

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On 12/7/2020 at 11:25 AM, devilhalo said:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/how-one-writers-room-is-rethinking-policing-on-tv

 

 "We want to change things for as long as we get to do this show."

I'm pretty sure the audience for cop shows is going to be at least a little bit pro-cop and isn't going to enjoy the anti-cop stories that Hawley appears to be planning.  They won't stay for more than an episode. Maybe the story lines will bring in viewers who don't normally watch cop shows?  But why would they watch either if this isn't their genre.  Maybe I'm naïve and really don't understand the market for cop-hating cop shows.  Maybe it's huge? It seems a little too ironic by half.  Realistically, I think The Rookie is gone after this season.  I always thought Fillion was stupid to take a cop show because it might remind people of the Castle angst.  Now I KNOW he was, but because the writers completely don't understand their audience.  But that's normal for Hawley, given that he used to call Castle viewers names if they complained about the story lines.

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