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Hollywood's Dirty Little (Open) Secrets: Harvey Weinstein and Others Like Him

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11 hours ago, Vermicious Knid said:

He may have already been exposed-Four Rikers corrections officers tested positive, and eight inmates have symptoms along with one confirmation. In addition, a civilian investigator for the department of correction on Rikers Island has died.

Great and they moved him to another prison where he can infect that prison.   That's the biggest concern with it getting into prison, everyone moves around so much.   In and out, to another prison or released from confinement.    Plus the close quarters, you can't do social distancing in a shared prison cell.

I don't want Weinstein to get it, because then it will infect others who don't deserve it.   But as someone said, the fear of getting it and not getting treatment, yeah that's good.

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On 3/17/2020 at 8:54 AM, Danny Franks said:

Yeah, he undermines his own accusations, but I wonder whether it's a case of 'I've been saying this for years and no one has paid any attention, so I need to make as big a stir as possible.' It's hard to know, and as I say, there are people who clearly stand to gain even more by making him seem crazy.

This was my immediate thought. As you say, it's absolutely not necessarily the case, but given Sheen's own issues, and the fact that abuse is often normalised and passed on from victim to victim - as Feldman suggests Haim did by trying to instigate sexual relations with him - then it's not a shocking conclusion to come to.

We see kids like Corey Haim as more vulnerable because they're outsiders, rather than someone like Sheen, who's the son of a famous actor, but I doubt that stops predators who see an opportunity.

I like to point out, Danny, that what you mentioned is pretty much on point. I like to add that Corey Haim did not have a very strong stable family. When he had his first role in Canadian TV, his own mother put his education on hold and his dad was already against it. When he started his very first film, the marriage between his parents was already on the verge of divorce. Of course, the mom was for it(Hollywood lifestyle, etc.) and this is a telling tale that people are vulnerable at that point. It sounds negative, but it happened to Haim and I believe everyone failed him. Especially when you see that Me, Myself, and I special with Haim, he was already lost. There was just a huge sadness there trying to hide an air of confidence. Really tragic. 

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Weinstein got it. Don't want him to die before his trial in LA but I hope even in this shitstorm his victims are laughing their asses off.

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42 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Weinstein got it. Don't want him to die before his trial in LA but I hope even in this shitstorm his victims are laughing their asses.l off.

Bwahahahahaha.   My only concern is the other poor people he is locked up  or the corrections officers  might now get it because of him.   That asshole can't stop harming people can he?

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Ordinarily, I would never wish anyone ill - literally. I'm making an exception this time. Hopefully none of the prison workers will catch it from him.

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I’m torn. I wanted that man to live in a state of traumatic fear for years. I wanted him to have nightmares, heightened anxiety, PTSD, all of that. I wanted him to have all the issues that rape victims have suffered. I wanted that so much.

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55 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

I’m torn. I wanted that man to live in a state of traumatic fear for years. I wanted I’m to have nightmares, heightened anxiety, PTSD, all of that. I wanted him to have all the issues that rape victim have suffered. I wanted that so much.

He's probably having all of the above right now. And COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. He could still live, and hopefully suffer, for many years.

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In light of Weinstein's catching it, in his case, I would like to change the name of Coronovirus to Karmavirus.

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4 minutes ago, DollEyes said:

In light of Weinstein's catching it, in his case, I would like to change the name of Coronovirus to Karmavirus.

Given the hundreds of thousands of people who have already contracted it world wide, the many more who will and the thousands more who have died the fact that it also infects some horrible people doesn’t really balance out.

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2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

He's probably having all of the above right now. And COVID-19 isn't a death sentence. He could still live, and hopefully suffer, for many years.

True, but he is in one of the higher-risk categories just by virtue of his age. 

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Just now, Zella said:

True, but he is in one of the higher-risk categories just by virtue of his age. 

And his heart issues. But evil shits like him seem to beat the odds somehow. I just hope he's scared shitless about now.

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1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

 I just hope he's scared shitless about now.

Me too. It's not usually something I'd wish on anyone, but he's earned it. 

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7 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

And his heart issues. But evil shits like him seem to beat the odds somehow. I just hope he's scared shitless about now.

Now we find out if he really has heart issues or is faking it.   But medical care is not the greatest in prison and no one is giving up a much needed isolation bed in a hospital for him.   Right there that will doom him if it turns serious.  

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9 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Given the hundreds of thousands of people who have already contracted it world wide, the many more who will and the thousands more who have died the fact that it also infects some horrible people doesn’t really balance out.

As someone who has a mother who's both elderly and has a heart condition,  I know all too well how dangerous the virus is. My point is that after all the nasty shit that Weinstein has gotten away with for decades, Karma has finally caught up with him not once, not twice, but several times: the accusers coming forward, destroying his career and his marriage in the process, his being convicted/imprisoned and now his being infected.

Normally I wouldn't wish illness on anyone, but ever there was an exception, it's Harvey Weinstein and as far as I'm concerned, the more he suffers, the better.

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1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Now we find out if he really has heart issues or is faking it.   But medical care is not the greatest in prison and no one is giving up a much needed isolation bed in a hospital for him.   Right there that will doom him if it turns serious.  

So after decades of being able to use his power and money to silence his victims he could meet his end in a prison hospital that doesn't have the best care or money? That's karma catching up with you asshole. 

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Just so long as he doesn't die too quickly.  I hope he recovers from covid, and can serve out his time.

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I wouldn't wish this or any other potentially deadly disease on anyone, including Weinstein.  

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6 hours ago, Ohwell said:

I wouldn't wish this or any other potentially deadly disease on anyone, including Weinstein.  

Exactly. I want him to live in fear, I want him to suffer from constant anxiety and PTSD. I also want him to have to sit for 8 hours each day with a clogged toilet in his cell. Every day. For a year. Or 23.

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21 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:

Exactly. I want him to live in fear, I want him to suffer from constant anxiety and PTSD. I also want him to have to sit for 8 hours each day with a clogged toilet in his cell. Every day. For a year. Or 23.

For at least 10 years with a cell mate named Spike.

I posted before that I thought Ken Lay and Jeffery Epstein died without having to suffer for a few years in prison and I hope this nightmare has many, many nightmares wondering what Spike might do.

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11 hours ago, BlackberryJam said:

Exactly. I want him to live in fear, I want him to suffer from constant anxiety and PTSD. I also want him to have to sit for 8 hours each day with a clogged toilet in his cell. Every day. For a year. Or 23.

Same here. Weinstein's suffering should be as long, slow and painful as possible because maybe then he'll know what he put the survivors through for years, if not decades. I have zero fucks to give about Weinstein's feelings, his comfort or his life span, unless it's shrinking. 

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5 hours ago, Jaded said:

I was curious and checked.  Amazon is selling the hardback but it is not in stock.  Given the state of the nation, this is not showing up in a warehouse anytime soon.  The ebook is available, but Amazon is being shady and allowing fake 5 star reviews.  Not too many at the moment, but they are there.  Barnes and Noble has it listed as a pre-order.  My indie bookstore has it listed as hard to find.  

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On 3/23/2020 at 10:32 AM, Browncoat said:

Just so long as he doesn't die too quickly.  I hope he recovers from covid, and can serve out his time.

 

6 hours ago, DollEyes said:

Same here. Weinstein's suffering should be as long, slow and painful as possible because maybe then he'll know what he put the survivors through for years, if not decades. I have zero fucks to give about Weinstein's feelings, his comfort or his life span, unless it's shrinking. 

Oh, definitely, don't want him to die yet. A long, slow, and painful suffering before he dies and then its forever in Hell. Right now that having covid-19 and having to put up with prison hospital is just part of that suffering.  

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16 minutes ago, Vermicious Knid said:

shitty prison hospital wing quarantine room.

Wow, almost feel sorry for the guy...NOT! Just too sad that all the other men who enabled him are not with him there.

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2 hours ago, free2think said:

Wow, almost feel sorry for the guy...NOT! Just too sad that all the other men who enabled him are not with him there.

To be fair, a not inconsiderable number of women also enabled him. 😞 

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I'm not rewarding them with a click for doing that, but if anyone else read the reviews, I'm not above wanting to know whether they panned it, or if they just handwaved his bullshit and praised him because they think he's an artiste.

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41 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I'm not above wanting to know whether they panned it, or if they just handwaved his bullshit and praised him because they think he's an artiste.

The URL of the first one suggests using his book if you run out of toilet paper so I think you can do the math on that one. 🙂

The second review was more measured but definitely not a praise.

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9 hours ago, possibilities said:

I'm not rewarding them with a click for doing that, but if anyone else read the reviews, I'm not above wanting to know whether they panned it, or if they just handwaved his bullshit and praised him because they think he's an artiste.

The NYT review is a carefully measured bad review. Which is normally how the Times handles reviews.   I read the Sunday edition and rarely are the bad reviews very scathing.   It focuses on Woodys creepiness in regards to the actresses he worked with over the years.  It also mentions the Dylan accusations and Woodys reaction.   Nothing is going to stop the Woody stans from praising it to the skies, but this review will help people on the fence choose not to buy it.  

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12 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

The URL of the first one suggests using his book if you run out of toilet paper so I think you can do the math on that one. 🙂

I'm sure it would also make good kitty litter. 😉

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I've read some quotes from Allen's book, where he talks about Scarlett Johansson, Penelope Cruz and other women. It's about as gross as you'd expect. In fact, here's an excerpt from the NYT review:

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"Like many of our fathers and grandfathers, Allen is a 20th-century man in a 21st-century world. His friends should have warned him that “Apropos of Nothing” is incredibly, unbelievably tone deaf on the subject of women.

This tone deafness starts before the book has even properly begun. On the dedication page, he writes, “For Soon-Yi, the best. I had her eating out of my hand and then I noticed my arm was missing.” I had to rub my eyes with my freshly sanitized fingers and read that second sentence again.

Nearly every time a woman is mentioned, there’s a gratuitous pronouncement on her looks. Early on, he chases “delectable bohemian little kumquats” in New York City. While in London filming “Casino Royale” (1967), a James Bond spoof, he writes, “one could stroll on the Kings Road and pick up the most adorable birds in their miniskirts.” Birds? I kept waiting for him to sail to Australia to scoop up a basket of “Sheilas.”

The heavy breathing gets more intense as the book moves on. Little pats of butter are deposited. Christina Ricci “was plenty desirable.” Léa Seydoux “was a 10 plus.” Rachel McAdams “looks like a million bucks from any angle.” He can sound like our current president.

“When you meet her you have to fight your way through the pheromones,” he writes about Scarlett Johansson, 19 when he first worked with her. “Not only was she gifted and beautiful, but sexually she was radioactive.” He manages to get Penélope Cruz into a movie with Johansson, which “caused each woman’s erotic valence to cube itself.”

It was Mia Farrow’s looks, her “drop-dead punim,” that blinded him to the fact that she was, in his view, mentally unstable, he writes."

He's a real charmer, isn't he?

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7 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I've read some quotes from Allen's book, where he talks about Scarlett Johansson, Penelope Cruz and other women. It's about as gross as you'd expect. In fact, here's an excerpt from the NYT review:

He's a real charmer, isn't he?

Ew. Just. Ew.

My father and grandfather would be insulted to be put in the same box as this creep.

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To wash that gross passage from Woody Allen's book out of everyone's mouth, I'd like to recommend the classiest memoir by a Hollywood old-timer I've ever read: Steps in Time by Fred Astaire. Astaire danced with some of Hollywood's most gorgeous women, the majority of whom were much younger than he was (Joan Leslie turned 18 while filming The Sky's the Limit*), but you know what adjective he most frequently used to describe them? 

"Lovely".

I highly endorse this word, because while it can refer to physical appearance, it can also apply to personality, bearing, temperament, etc. It's a wonderfully flexible compliment. Only occasionally does Astaire use a stronger adjective like "beautiful" (well, he did work with Rita Hayworth and Audrey Hepburn), but he doesn't go on for paragraphs panting, sweating, and salivating over their looks and sex appeal like Allen or Chris Matthews. In fact, he actually takes the time to praise other virtues such as their personalities, professionalism, and dancing talent!

Now, was Astaire really such an upstanding gentleman, or was he a closeted creep who just hid it well**? Who knows? Dude's been dead since 1987, but the precious few people who worked with him who are still alive have nothing but nice things to say about him. 

*To Astaire's credit, he acknowledges this and seemed embarrassed by it, and in his defense, he didn't get a say in who got cast. Unfortunately, casting teenagers as adult love interests was all too standard back then, and this happened to Joan Leslie more than once. 

**The truth is, I'm a total Fred Astaire fangirl, and I want to believe-have to believe-that he didn't do anything. Dear God, if you're really real, please prove it to this gloomy atheist by letting Astaire have been a truly good person, please don't let us belatedly find out something terrible about him. Same with Jim Henson, if you don't mind...

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28 minutes ago, supposebly said:

Ew. Just. Ew.

My father and grandfather would be insulted to be put in the same box as this creep.

So would I. I'd throw my great-grandfather into the mix. Bullshit on 20th Century man living in the 21st Century. Many 20th century men weren't disgusting creeps who prayed on young and underaged women because they knew it was wrong and disgusting. He's trying to make it sound like oh poor Allen he had no choice but to be a disgusting creep. The century made him what he was. Or it was so completely normal. Again bullshit. Gee, Allen somehow at the same time many men growing up in that century managed to group not being disgusting creeps praying on young women.  Plus its exactly what child molesters and rapist generally say. 

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19 minutes ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Yes, Louis CK, we do need to laugh... so what the hell are you doing here?

Agreed. With Louis CK it's more like: for those who need to be nauseated.

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1 minute ago, WritinMan said:

Agreed. With Louis CK it's more like: for those who need to be nauseated.

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Better than him dropping his trousers again, I guess. I have no interest in seeing him do either.

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1 hour ago, Iris987 said:

Have you read "Bring on the Empty Horses"? There's a chapter about Astaire and his wife in that and he seemed like a really lovely man. So many people have been metood but I think Fred is safe. Woody Allen is a jackass. Even if Dylan hadn't existed, the fact that he still can't see how inappropriate it was to seduce and marry his girlfriends daughter who was a teenager, who had never had a boyfriend, who lost her entire family as a result and only had him to rely on... God it pisses me off. 

Leaving all that aside -- he wrote this memoir AFTER me too.   Yet still manages to talk about women that way.   Even if you said at the time you were working with these women  -- which doesn't make it right even then -- why by anything anyone considers holy would you put it in your memoirs in 2019/2020?    And think everyone would go "Oh that Woody, he's just misunderstood????"    Even if you were trying to prove you were an old-fashioned kinda guy living in in the wrong century, wouldn't you try to use better wording?  

He. Just.Does.Not.Get.It.

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